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Wingman
12-06-2007, 01:23 PM
We all know the current phone polls show Ron Paul losing

Im hoping this thread will generate a bit of debate and some useful links on how phone polling currently works and why it may not be a good reliable indicator of Ron Paul';s chances of winning in NH and natioinally.
Please feel free to post.

Here is an article about how phone polls currently work (brief summary and history) :-
http://www.publicopinionpros.com/from_field/2007/jan/bennett_printable.asp

Here is an article about how phone polling can fail in a dramatic way :-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._presidential_election,_1948

This article suggests the 2004 election was still using reliable phone polling :-
http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/oup/pubopq/2006/00000070/00000001/art00088
Despite concerns that the accuracy of preelection telephone polls would be harmed by the omission of voters who could be reached only by cell phone, most national polls performed well in predicting President George W. Bush's reelection in 2004, and state polls were generally accurate as well. The national exit poll conducted by the National Election Pool found that 7 percent of Election Day voters had cell phone service but no land line; younger voters were far more likely to be cell-only: 19 percent among those age 18-24 and 20 percent among those age 25-29. Within these two youngest age cohorts, cell-only voters were significantly more likely to be single and childless. While cell-only voters were more supportive of John Kerry than voters overall, they were similar to other voters within their own age cohort. Because of this, preelection telephone surveys that weighted their data appropriately by age were not significantly biased by the absence of the cell-only voters.

IS THE CURRENT PHONE POLLING SYSTEM RELIABLE? OR IS RON PAUL STIL LONLY AN INTERNET SENSATION...

discuss...

dvictr
12-06-2007, 01:26 PM
since 2004 the number of subscribers to land line service has dropped significantly in this country.. why have a land line???

my guess is that the core of ron paul supporters are exactly the type to not have a land line

ron paul name recognition is still low in this country but that will change on dec 16th

pcosmar
12-06-2007, 01:27 PM
NO IT IS NOT RELIABLE
The Phone Polls often do not include Ron Paul.
Most people do not use land lines, Those that do, screen their calls.

pcosmar
12-06-2007, 01:32 PM
This is a phone poll.
http://bhday.files.wordpress.com/2007/12/anti-paul-polling2.wav
More info.
http://bhday.wordpress.com/2007/12/05/how-phone-polls-really-work/

nist7
12-06-2007, 01:39 PM
You do realize that in 2004, Bush was running for re-election....basically unopposed....

Of course he will dominate the polls and expected to be the GOP nominee.

Also, you have to remember WHO these polls are considering: long-time, regular, GOP primary voters who have land lines.

Disregarding the cell phone issue.........you still have millions of other potential subjects left out: ex-democrats, ex-Independents, ex-Apathetic voters, etc. etc. etc.

It's not rocket science people.

CurtisLow
12-06-2007, 05:27 PM
We all know the current phone polls show Ron Paul losing

Im hoping this thread will generate a bit of debate and some useful links on how phone polling currently works and why it may not be a good reliable indicator of Ron Paul';s chances of winning in NH and natioinally.
Please feel free to post.

Here is an article about how phone polls currently work (brief summary and history) :-
http://www.publicopinionpros.com/from_field/2007/jan/bennett_printable.asp

Here is an article about how phone polling can fail in a dramatic way :-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._presidential_election,_1948

This article suggests the 2004 election was still using reliable phone polling :-
http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/oup/pubopq/2006/00000070/00000001/art00088
Despite concerns that the accuracy of preelection telephone polls would be harmed by the omission of voters who could be reached only by cell phone, most national polls performed well in predicting President George W. Bush's reelection in 2004, and state polls were generally accurate as well. The national exit poll conducted by the National Election Pool found that 7 percent of Election Day voters had cell phone service but no land line; younger voters were far more likely to be cell-only: 19 percent among those age 18-24 and 20 percent among those age 25-29. Within these two youngest age cohorts, cell-only voters were significantly more likely to be single and childless. While cell-only voters were more supportive of John Kerry than voters overall, they were similar to other voters within their own age cohort. Because of this, preelection telephone surveys that weighted their data appropriately by age were not significantly biased by the absence of the cell-only voters.

IS THE CURRENT PHONE POLLING SYSTEM RELIABLE? OR IS RON PAUL STIL LONLY AN INTERNET SENSATION...

discuss...

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Phone polls still reliable - show Ron Paul losing still

what if we lose in NH -.- I'm worried....

What do you mean he cant win? Says who?

Why is Mitt Romney still ahead in NH??

Can we help Ron Paul provide more of an aura of leadership?

Sandra
12-06-2007, 05:56 PM
And what do you know..... he just joined!