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Anti Federalist
10-11-2015, 01:53 PM
Yes, the CIA Director Was Part of the JFK Assassination Cover-Up

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/10/jfk-assassination-john-mccone-warren-commission-cia-213197#ixzz3oI5Dl45G

John McCone came to the CIA as an outsider. An industrialist and an engineer by training, he replaced veteran spymaster Allen Dulles as director of central intelligence in November 1961, after John F. Kennedy had forced out Dulles following the CIA’s bungled operation to oust Fidel Castro by invading Cuba’s Bay of Pigs. McCone had one overriding mission: restore order at the besieged CIA. Kennedy hoped his management skills might prevent a future debacle, even if the Californian—mostly a stranger to the clubby, blue-blooded world of the men like Dulles who had always run the spy agency—faced a steep learning curve.

After JFK’s assassination in Dallas in November 1963, President Lyndon Johnson kept McCone in place at the CIA, and the CIA director became an important witness before the Warren Commission, the panel Johnson created to investigate Kennedy’s murder. McCone pledged full cooperation with the commission, which was led by Chief Justice Earl Warren, and testified that the CIA had no evidence to suggest that Lee Harvey Oswald, the assassin, was part of any conspiracy, foreign or domestic. In its final report, the commission came to agree with McCone’s depiction of Oswald, a former Marine and self-proclaimed Marxist, as a delusional lone wolf.

But did McCone come close to perjury all those decades ago? Did the onetime Washington outsider in fact hide agency secrets that might still rewrite the history of the assassination? Even the CIA is now willing to raise these questions. Half a century after JFK’s death, in a once-secret report written in 2013 by the CIA’s top in-house historian and quietly declassified last fall, the spy agency acknowledges what others were convinced of long ago: that McCone and other senior CIA officials were “complicit” in keeping “incendiary” information from the Warren Commission.

According to the report by CIA historian David Robarge, McCone, who died in 1991, was at the heart of a “benign cover-up” at the spy agency, intended to keep the commission focused on “what the Agency believed at the time was the ‘best truth’—that Lee Harvey Oswald, for as yet undetermined motives, had acted alone in killing John Kennedy.”

The most important information that McCone withheld from the commission in its 1964 investigation, the report found, was the existence, for years, of CIA plots to assassinate Castro, some of which put the CIA in cahoots with the Mafia. Without this information, the commission never even knew to ask the question of whether Oswald had accomplices in Cuba or elsewhere who wanted Kennedy dead in retaliation for the Castro plots.

While raising no question about the essential findings of the Warren Commission, including that Oswald was the gunman in Dallas, the 2013 report is important because it comes close to an official CIA acknowledgement—half a century after the fact—of impropriety in the agency’s dealings with the commission.

The coverup by McCone and others may have been “benign,” in the report’s words, but it was a cover-up nonetheless, denying information to the commission that might have prompted a more aggressive investigation of Oswald’s potential Cuba ties.

Initially stamped “SECRET/NOFORN,” meaning it was not to be shared outside the agency or with foreign governments, Robarge’s report was originally published as an article in the CIA’s classified internal magazine, Studies in Intelligence, in September 2013, to mark the 50th anniversary of the Kennedy assassination. The article, drawn from a still-classified 2005 biography of McCone written by Robarge, was declassified quietly last fall and is now available on the website of The George Washington University’s National Security Archive. In a statement to POLITICO, the CIA said it decided to declassify the report “to highlight misconceptions about the CIA’s connection to JFK’s assassination,” including the still-popular conspiracy theory that the spy agency was somehow behind the assassination. (Articles in the CIA magazine are routinely declassified without fanfare after internal review.)

Robarge’s article says that McCone, quickly convinced after the assassination that Oswald had acted alone and that there was no foreign conspiracy involving Cuba or the Soviet Union, directed the agency to provide only “passive, reactive and selective” assistance to the Warren Commission. This portrait of McCone suggests that he was much more hands-on in the CIA’s dealings with the commission—and in the agency’s post-assassination scrutiny of Oswald’s past—than had previously been known. The report quotes another senior CIA official, who heard McCone say that he intended to “handle the whole (commission) business myself, directly.”

The report offers no conclusion about McCone’s motivations, including why he would go to lengths to cover-up CIA activities that mostly predated his time at the agency. But it suggests that the Johnson White House might have directed McCone to hide the information. McCone “shared the administration’s interest in avoiding disclosures about covert actions that would circumstantially implicate [the] CIA in conspiracy theories and possibly lead to calls for a tough US response against the perpetrators of the assassination,” the article reads. “If the commission did not know to ask about covert operations about Cuba, he was not going to give them any suggestions about where to look.”

In an interview, David Slawson, who was the Warren Commission’s chief staff investigator in searching for evidence of a foreign conspiracy, said he was not surprised to learn that McCone had personally withheld so much information from the investigation in 1964, especially about the Castro plots.

“I always assumed McCone must have known, because I always believed that loyalty and discipline in the CIA made any large-scale operation without the consent of the director impossible,” says Slawson, now 84 and a retired University of Southern California law professor. He says he regrets that it had taken so long for the spy agency to acknowledge that McCone and others had seriously misled the commission. After half a century, Slawson says, “The world loses interest, because the assassination becomes just a matter of history to more and more people.”

The report identifies other tantalizing information that McCone did not reveal to the commission, including evidence that the CIA might somehow have been in communication with Oswald before 1963 and that the spy agency had secretly monitored Oswald’s mail after he attempted to defect to the Soviet Union in 1959. The CIA mail-opening program, which was later determined to have been blatantly illegal, had the code name HTLINGUAL. “It would be surprising if the DCI [director of central intelligence] were not told about the program” after the Kennedy assassination, the report reads. “If not, his subordinates deceived him. If he did know about HTLINGUAL reporting on Oswald, he was not being forthright with the commission—presumably to protect an operation that was highly compartmented and, if disclosed, sure to arouse much controversy.”

In the 1970s, when congressional investigations exposed the Castro plots, members of the Warren Commission and its staff expressed outrage that they had been denied the information in 1964. Had they known about the plots, they said, the commission would have been much more aggressive in trying to determine whether JFK’s murder was an act of retaliation by Castro or his supporters. Weeks before the assassination, Oswald traveled to Mexico City and met there with spies for the Cuban and Soviet governments—a trip that CIA and FBI officials have long acknowledged was never adequately investigated. (Even so, Warren Commission staffers remain convinced today that Oswald was the lone gunman in Dallas, a view shared by ballistics experts who have studied the evidence.)

phill4paul
10-11-2015, 01:59 PM
Everything is a benign cover-up. The American citizens are children, you see? They must be guarded and guided by those men that stand on the wall.

Ronin Truth
10-11-2015, 03:10 PM
Weren't there some Bush CIA ties in there somewhere along the line?

Good old Skull & Bones. ;) :p

idiom
10-11-2015, 07:08 PM
So, Cuba may have assassinated America's President at the height of the cold war?

That accusation wouldn't have needed any evidence to start a war that would end the world.

acptulsa
10-11-2015, 07:36 PM
So, Cuba may have assassinated America's President at the height of the cold war?

That accusation wouldn't have needed any evidence to start a war that would end the world.

LOL

Son, it wasn't Castro. The CIA had a hell of a lot better reason to cover that assassination up than fear of WWIII. Especially since the CIA has never demonstrated the slightest hesitation about starting wars.

Oswald worked for the CIA. We know who his handler was. We know that he carried an ID card identical to the one Francis Gary Powers of CIA spy flights fame carried. We know that Jack Ruby smuggled guns to anti-Castro rebels in cooperation with the CIA. Their fingerprints are all over it. And we know JFK was mad at the CIA, and threatened to disband it.

And we also know that there is no way Castro could have gotten JFK's motorcade route changed so it slowed past the School Book Depository--with an unsigned order which the Secret Service obeyed. There's also no way Castro could have gotten a news article telling of the assassination and naming Oswald as the lone gunman into an Icelandic newspaper that came out two hours before Kennedy was shot.

Look into this thing some time. Prepare to be amazed.

idiom
10-12-2015, 12:46 AM
LOL

Son, it wasn't Castro. The CIA had a hell of a lot better reason to cover that assassination up than fear of WWIII. Especially since the CIA has never demonstrated the slightest hesitation about starting wars.

Oswald worked for the CIA. We know who his handler was. We know that he carried an ID card identical to the one Francis Gary Powers of CIA spy flights fame carried. We know that Jack Ruby smuggled guns to anti-Castro rebels in cooperation with the CIA. Their fingerprints are all over it. And we know JFK was mad at the CIA, and threatened to disband it.

And we also know that there is no way Castro could have gotten JFK's motorcade route changed so it slowed past the School Book Depository--with an unsigned order which the Secret Service obeyed. There's also no way Castro could have gotten a news article telling of the assassination and naming Oswald as the lone gunman into an Icelandic newspaper that came out two hours before Kennedy was shot.

Look into this thing some time. Prepare to be amazed.


Well that's not what was declassified was it.

The story in the OP in no way relates to your flight of fancy.

acptulsa
10-12-2015, 06:57 AM
Well that's not what was declassified was it.

The story in the OP in no way relates to your flight of fancy.

What was declassified was the fact that the CIA director McCone was in on the cover-up.

The plausible deniability tacked onto the end that pointed a finger at Castro was all politico.com.

Now. Which part of my post do you consider my flight of fancy? Because I didn't say anything that isn't documented. You can find most of it in a volume called Oswald Talked by a couple named LaFontaine, if you can handle the truth of the matter.

Ronin Truth
10-12-2015, 07:49 AM
Former CIA director was part of a 'benign cover-up' to withhold information from investigators about JFK's assassination

Declassified CIA reports claim former CIA Director Jon McCone withheld information about President John F Kennedy's assassination

The reports claim McCone and other top officials were part of a 'benign cover up' to keep the Warren Commission focused on Lee Harvey Oswald

McCone concluded in his assessment that Oswald, a former Marine, was a 'lone gunman' who acted on his own

The Warren Commission's final report was consistent with McCone's

The declassified CIA reports did not raise question about the findings of the Warren Commission, including that Oswald was the gunman

But the reports acknowledge the failure in the CIA's dealings with the Warren Commission

The CIA report offers no conclusion as McCone's motivations to cover up agency activities

By Kelly Mclaughlin For Dailymail.com

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3267845/Former-CIA-director-John-McCone-benign-cover-withhold-information-investigators-JFK-s-assassination.html

Cleaner44
10-12-2015, 08:37 AM
Well that's not what was declassified was it.

The story in the OP in no way relates to your flight of fancy.

Look into it for yourself and you will find that he is telling you the truth.

libertyjam
10-12-2015, 03:38 PM
Yes, the CIA Director Was Part of the JFK Assassination Cover-Up

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/10/jfk-assassination-john-mccone-warren-commission-cia-213197#ixzz3oI5Dl45G

John McCone came to the CIA as an outsider. An industrialist and an engineer by training, he replaced veteran spymaster Allen Dulles as director of central intelligence in November 1961,



http://www.panshin.com/trogholm/secret/rightroots/dulles.gif


Supreme Court Justice Arthur Goldberg once stated that "The Dulles brothers were traitors." Some historians believe that Allen Dulles became head of the newly formed CIA in large part to cover up his treasonous behavior and that of his clients.

-- Christian Dewar, Making a Killing (http://www.democraticunderground.com/articles/02/04/p/05_killing.html)

Just before his death, James Jesus Angleton, the legendary chief of counterintelligence at the Central Intelligence Agency, was a bitter man. He felt betrayed by the people he had worked for all his life. In the end, he had come to realize that they were never really interested in American ideals of "freedom" and "democracy." They really only wanted "absolute power."
Angleton told author Joseph Trento that the reason he had gotten the counterintelligence job in the first place was by agreeing not to submit "sixty of Allen Dulles' closest friends" to a polygraph test concerning their business deals with the Nazis. In his end-of-life despair, Angleton assumed that he would see all his old companions again "in hell."

-- Michael Hasty, Paranoid Shift (http://www.onlinejournal.com/Commentary/011004Hasty/011004hasty.html)



The study of the past is beset by uncertainty. Experts on ancient inscriptions can easily get into arguments over whether or not two prominent people with the same name were actually a single individual. The student of modern history doesn't normally run into such problems because our lives today are so well documented. But suppose that most present-day records were to be lost in the course of time, leaving only a few semi-mythic narratives. In that case, future historians might well conclude that the only way to make sense of the twentieth century was by assuming that there were actually two Allen Dulleses.
One Allen Dulles, they would tell us, was the head of a powerful group of covert agents who served the great American Republic at mid-century. The other, who lived and worked slightly earlier, had been dedicated to promoting the interests of the Nazi Reich, which was the sworn enemy of the Americans. Despite the coincidence of names, there could obviously have been no connection between them.
We, with our documentation intact, have no choice but to accept that these two Allen Dulleses were one and the same. But the price of our superior knowledge is that for us the twentieth century threatens to make no sense at all.
How do we begin to untangle this puzzle? Perhaps it would help if we went back to the start.
http://www.panshin.com/trogholm/secret/rightroots/dulles.html


By 1926, W.A. Harriman was doing so well that Walker gave his son-in-law, Prescott Bush, the gift of making him a vice president. In 1931, W.A. Harriman merged with a British firm to create Brown Brothers, Harriman, and Prescott Bush became a senior partner. During the 1930's, Brown Brothers, Harriman would increasingly direct its clients' investments to German companies. The Rockefeller family was prominent among these clients, and Standard Oil developed particularly close connections with the chemical giant I.G. Farben.
It was into this heady atmosphere of high-level investments and financial manipulation that Allen Dulles entered when he joined the firm of Sullivan and Cromwell in 1926. He would become the lawyer for the Thyssens' Rotterdam bank and would also represent other German firms, including I.G. Farben.
However, there was a serpent in this businessmen's Eden, and its name was Adolph Hitler. August Thyssen's son and successor, Fritz Thyssen, was an enthusiastic supporter of Hitler and had been funding the Nazi Party since 1923. Other German industrialists would do the same. It is hard to say to what extent the American investors shared Thyssen's enthusiasm, though it seems likely that most of them were swayed less by ideology than by the prospect that Hitler would be good for business. Either way, the outcome was that many wealthy and powerful Americans wound up supporting a regime that would ultimately become their own nation's enemy, and investing in the very firms that would provide the core of that regime's military machine.
Early in 1933, both Dulles brother attended a meeting in Germany where German industrialists agreed to back Hitler's bid for power in exchange for his pledge to break the German unions. A few months later, John Foster Dulles negotiated a deal with Hitler's economics minister whereby all German trade with the United States would be coordinated through a syndicate headed by Averell Harriman's cousin. With the Nazis enforcing a favorable climate for business, the profits for Thyssen and other companies soared, and the Union Banking Corporation increasingly became a Nazi money-laundering machine. In 1934, George Herbert Walker placed Prescott Bush on Union Bank's board of directors, and Bush and Harriman also began to use the bank as the basis for a complex and deceptive system of holding companies.
The Hamburg-Amerika shipping line, which Harriman and Walker had controlled since 1920, had a particularly high degree of Nazi involvement in its operations. In 1934, a congressional investigation revealed it to have become a front for I.G. Farben's spying, propaganda, and bribery on behalf of the German government. Rather than advising Walker and Harriman to divest themselves of these tainted assets, Prescott Bush hired Allen Dulles to help conceal them. From 1937 on, the Dulles brothers would serve Bush and Harriman in all their covert dealings with Nazi firms. They also performed similar cloaking services for others, like the Rockefellers.
It goes without saying that Harriman, Walker, Bush, and Dulles were morally tainted by their connections with German firms like Thyssen and I.G. Farben, since they both funded and profited from Hitler's crimes against humanity. However, their entire enterprise was corrupt in a more subtle sense as well, in that its very basis was financial fraud on an unprecedented scale. That would have been true even if Hitler had never come to power. The real significance of adding the Nazis to the equation was that it upped the stakes, both increasing the potential rewards for the participants and forcing them into increasingly elaborate deceptions to conceal their frauds.
Ibid.


1. Dulles was the most active member of the Warren Commission. This is deduced by his appearances and number of questions according to Walt Brown in The Warren Omission.
https://deeppoliticsforum.com/forums/showthread.php?5802-Lyndon-Johnson-and-Allen-Dulles-as-co-CEOs-of-the-JFK-Assassination#.VhwhPflViko

Anyone wanting to know why the United States is hated across much of the world need look no farther than this book. “The Brothers” is a riveting chronicle of government-sanctioned murder, casual elimination of “inconvenient” regimes, relentless prioritization of American corporate interests and cynical arrogance on the part of two men who were once among the most powerful in the world.

THE BROTHERS
John Foster Dulles, Allen Dulles, and Their Secret World War
By Stephen Kinzer
Illustrated. 402 pp. Times Books/Henry Holt & Company.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/10/books/review/the-brothers-by-stephen-kinzer.html?_r=0


Allen Dulles, the OSS, and Nazi War Criminals: The Dynamics of Selective Prosecution
By Kerstin von Lingen


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