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RonPaulFanInGA
10-08-2015, 11:49 AM
http://www.nationalenquirer.com/celebrity/bungling-surgeon-ben-carson-left-sponge-patients-brain


Judging by White House wannabe Ben Carson’s track record as a neurosurgeon, his presidential campaign should be declared dead on arrival! In a bombshell investigation into his medical career, The National ENQUIRER has exclusively learned the now retired doc allegedly butchered one patient’s brain — and EVEN left a sponge in another’s skull!

hells_unicorn
10-08-2015, 11:58 AM
I don't think a supermarket tabloid will carry much weight unless a major media outlet picks this up. Not saying it isn't true, but as is few will believe it.

Zippyjuan
10-08-2015, 12:17 PM
Source of such reliable stories as: http://www.nationalenquirer.com/celebrity/politico-alien-abduction


POLITICO ALIEN ABDUCTION

A top government official is forcing authorities to investigate his claims that he was abducted by extraterrestrial aliens.

Russian President Dmitry Medvedev has been urged repeatedly by a prominent politician to investigate claims of a Russian leader's harrowing experience.

Kirsan Ilyumzhinov, the leader of the southern region of Kalymkia, told Russkie TV host Vladimir Pozner on Channel One on April 26, that he was abruptly taken from his Moscow apartment in 1997 aboard a spacecraft and had an extraterrestrial confab of the third kind.

Ilyumzhinov said he was nodding off when he heard someone calling him from the balcony.

Stepping outside, he said he saw a "half-transparent half tube" spaceship.

Bidding him to join them, Ilyumzhinov, met human-like creatures in yellow spacesuits but was unable to communicate with his alien hosts.

"I am often asked which language I used to talk to them," Ilyumzhinov told the TV aud. "Perhaps, it was on a level of the exchange of ideas."

Elaborating his tale, Ilyumzhinov said the aliens gave him a tour of their spaceship and that the aliens were visiting Earth to take samples. He also claims to have several witnesses.

Based on the ruckus raised by the pol's startling on-air admission Russian parliamentarian Andre Lebedev has called for a government inquiry.

specsaregood
10-08-2015, 12:18 PM
I don't think a supermarket tabloid will carry much weight unless a major media outlet picks this up. Not saying it isn't true, but as is few will believe it.

Dunno, a lot of people that never watch the major media outlets read the headlines of those rags in the checkout aisles of thousands of stores. Doesn't matter if its true or not, the headline will stick.

hells_unicorn
10-08-2015, 12:20 PM
Dunno, a lot of people that never watch the major media outlets read the headlines of those rags in the checkout aisles of thousands of stores. Doesn't matter if its true or not, the headline will stick.

Point taken, and it's actually downright frightening that people read that junk and potentially base their votes off of it. Universal Suffrage is most definitely an overrated concept.

Ronin Truth
10-08-2015, 12:26 PM
Was the patient named Bob, perchance?

What shape are/were his pants??

TaftFan
10-08-2015, 12:31 PM
Ah, supermarket tabloids!
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_BG6i0ZC_IBI/S_utcNOTYeI/AAAAAAAABPM/FCxeRdmxBgE/s400/Alien+Backs+Rand.jpg

fisharmor
10-08-2015, 12:35 PM
Ah, supermarket tabloids!
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_BG6i0ZC_IBI/S_utcNOTYeI/AAAAAAAABPM/FCxeRdmxBgE/s400/Alien+Backs+Rand.jpg

I had no idea Rand had such a huge melon.

I can totally hear him yelling "TIMMMAHHHHH!"

RonPaulFanInGA
10-08-2015, 01:01 PM
Source of such reliable stories as: http://www.nationalenquirer.com/celebrity/politico-alien-abduction

Also the ones that broke the John Edwards affair story, which all the mainstream media initially dismissed, only later to be forced to back-track and admit the National Enquirer got it right.

Matt McGuire
10-08-2015, 01:12 PM
Say goodbye Dr. Carson. No one recovers from spongegate

dannno
10-08-2015, 01:24 PM
Was the patient named Bob, perchance?

What shape are/were his pants??

I'm guessing square.

Ronin Truth
10-08-2015, 01:53 PM
I'm guessing square. Me too. :D

The whole OR staff miscounted?

Possible, I guess, somehow.

stuntman stoll
10-09-2015, 07:37 AM
Why don't MLB players face a malpractice lawsuit every time they strike out? I'm not not a Carson supporter, but even IF there were these mistakes, that is to be expected out of doing thousands of operations. And the sponge they're talking about is not the giant green and yellow thing that you're probably thinking of.

SilentBull
10-09-2015, 07:44 AM
I don't think this is a fair attack. Next they will find a patient of Rand's whose vision became worse after the procedure. Questioning Carson's abilities as a surgeon is just stupid.

enhanced_deficit
10-09-2015, 02:00 PM
Ben Carson had been sued for malpractice at least six times including by a girl who suffered facial disfigurement and woman who claimed he left a SPONGE in her skull



Dr Carson, 64, retired as surgeon at Johns Hopkins Hospital in 2013
Records indicate Carson has been sued for malpractice at least six times, beginning in 1986
Several of the legal cases against the Republican presidential candidate are still pending
Karly Bailey, 27, sued him in 2009 claiming Carson performed a botched surgery to remove a tumor from her brain when she was nine years old
The operation left Bailey with a right-side facial droop, vertigo-like symptoms and other complications
In 2011, Darlene King, 69, filed a lawsuit claiming Carson perforated her eardrums and left a sponge in her skull, which he later mistook for a tumor

By Snejana Farberov For Dailymail.com

Published: 15:24 EST, 7 October 2015



http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/10/07/21/2D2CC87F00000578-0-image-a-30_1444248025501.jpg
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/10/07/21/2D2CC8AE00000578-0-image-a-34_1444248039246.jpg
Bailey, who is now 27 years old (pictured), claims that Carson bungled a surgery on her brain in 1997, leaving her permanently disfigured and suffering from a host of other complications


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3264044/Ben-Carson-sued-malpractice-six-times-including-girl-suffered-facial-disfigurement-woman-claimed-left-SPONGE-skull.html





http://www.nationalenquirer.com/celebrity/bungling-surgeon-ben-carson-left-sponge-patients-brain

If this is confirmed, won't be surprised if Obama team added a new "Ben Carson clause" requiring all Obamacare hospitals to disclose to their patients whether the surgeon to operate on the patient got into medical school based on affirmative action or based on merit.

Ben Carson Shattering Stereotype About Brain Surgeons Being Smart (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?481957-Trump-Carson-doesn%E2%80%99t-have-the-energy-to-be-president&p=5996916&viewfull=1#post5996916)

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kahless
10-09-2015, 02:18 PM
Ah, supermarket tabloids!
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_BG6i0ZC_IBI/S_utcNOTYeI/AAAAAAAABPM/FCxeRdmxBgE/s400/Alien+Backs+Rand.jpg

The look on Rand's face in the picture, lol.

enhanced_deficit
10-10-2015, 11:54 AM
I don't think a supermarket tabloid will carry much weight unless a major media outlet picks this up. Not saying it isn't true, but as is few will believe it.

To their credit, they did break this story that MSM was afriad to touch.

Sen John Edwards Caught with Mistress and Love Child
www.nationalenquirer.com (http://www.nationalenquirer.com) › CelebrityNational Enquirer
Jul 22, 2008 - John Edwards was caught visiting his mistress and secret love child at 2:40 this morning in a Los Angeles hotel by the NATIONAL ENQUIRER.


Overall they are even in credibility with MSM owners. NE might be even tad bit less deceptive than much of MSM, they just have smaller budgets and are less crafty in mixing half lies and half truths.

http://themillenniumreport.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/weapons-of-mass-deception-media.jpg



http://media.salon.com/2010/12/judith_miller_from_the_times_to_the_crazies.jpghtt ps://wordworry.files.wordpress.com/2015/07/no-wmds.jpghttp://img1-azcdn.newser.com/square-image/204970-20150604134336/judith-miller-no-i-didnt-start-the-iraq-war.jpeg

Foreigner
10-10-2015, 06:08 PM
This story smells of rancid sewage. They gave him presidential medals and made a movie about him because he's the most known neurosurgeon in the world. He retires, and start speaking his mind about politics. Turns out, a lot of it is politically incorrect. And now he's the world's worst surgeon?

Even if the story has any semblance of truth, that doesn't mean he has done anything wrong. Not every surgical story has a happy ending. It's not the surgeon's fault in most cases. Due to his skills, he would have done a lot of pioneering, and fewer rutine easy operations. Surgery can save lives in many instances, but it's not the "magic" that some people imagine. It's mostly about alterning conditions in your body to enable the body to save itself. It's a calculated gamble, and some complications are to be expected.

Ben Carson has a good heart and the right instincts, however, he shouldn't be president. He doesn't have a good enough grasp on policy, just a general idea on how he would like things to be. He would get steamrolled by "policy experts" that are run by the special interests once he reaches the oval office.

cindy25
10-10-2015, 06:16 PM
mistakes happen. Rand probably made a few mistakes also. lawyers have lost cases and no one mentions those.

enhanced_deficit
10-10-2015, 06:59 PM
http://static.ijreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/bushcarson-300x224.jpghttp://www.chicagobusinesslitigationlawyerblog.com/files/2014/05/Chicagos-best-trial-lawyers.jpghttp://www.medline.com/media/catalog/CA14/CA14_17/CA14_17_02/PF07886/300x300/PF07886_PRI01.JPG (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3264044/Ben-Carson-sued-malpractice-six-times-including-girl-suffered-facial-disfigurement-woman-claimed-left-SPONGE-skull.html)


This story smells of rancid sewage. They gave him presidential medals and made a movie about him because he's the most known neurosurgeon in the world. He retires, and start speaking his mind about politics. Turns out, a lot of it is politically incorrect. And now he's the world's worst surgeon?


According to Parks and Recreation star Ron Swanson, awards are highly political.
It is true that people should not rush to judgement untill all the facts are outed and investigations are completed, however the presidential medal award in itself is no longer valid defense in these times.

http://imgick.nj.com/home/njo-media/width620/img/hudsoncountynow_impact/photo/bush-puts-medal-on-cosbyjpg-e3dab11d8460f03f.jpg
http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/03388/cosby_3388580b.jpg

(https://www.thewrap.com/19-bill-cosby-accusers-complete-breakdown-of-the-allegations-so-far)
Bill Cosby has been publicly accused of raping, drugging, coercing or sexually assaulting 40 women since 1965, and many of them have only started to come forward since October 2014.
https://www.thewrap.com/19-bill-cosby-accusers-complete-breakdown-of-the-allegations-so-far


Rev Jeremiah Wright was once a decorated US Marine honored by US Prisident.. but his image was heavily edited by media owners after he was heard saying politically incorrect things.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e9/Jeremiah_Wright_as_a_Marine_Medic_Tending_to_Pres_ Lyndon_Johnson.jpg/1024px-Jeremiah_Wright_as_a_Marine_Medic_Tending_to_Pres_ Lyndon_Johnson.jpg

Foreigner
10-10-2015, 08:10 PM
According to Parks and Recreation star Ron Swanson, awards are highly political.
It is true that people should not rush to judgement untill all the facts are outed and investigations are completed, however the presidential medal award in itself is no longer valid defense in these times.


Haha! I can't argue with Ron Swanson :D

The medal itself doesn't mean much, you're right. But at the same time, he has been retired for a period now, and all these stories coming up just now when he's second in the presidential primaries don't convince me. He's without question an excellent (one of the best) surgeons.

From time to time there's a debate over if one should score doctors based on success rates. I'm very opposed to that, because then nobody would dare to do difficult cases, where there is just a small chance for recovery. Is the surgeon with 100% success rate, who only do very safe, routine operations the best? Or is it the guy with 90%, who only tackles very difficult cases?

From memory, I think Rand too was sued for malpractice twice. One case was settled, the other dismissed. (That he was sued in the first place says more about the culture of suing everybody - that has gotten way out of hand - than his skills as a doctor)

enhanced_deficit
10-10-2015, 08:24 PM
Haha! I can't argue with Ron Swanson :D

The medal itself doesn't mean much, you're right. But at the same time, he has been retired for a period now, and all these stories coming up just now when he's second in the presidential primaries don't convince me. He's without question an excellent (one of the best) surgeons.

From time to time there's a debate over if one should score doctors based on success rates. I'm very opposed to that, because then nobody would dare to do difficult cases, where there is just a small chance for recovery. Is the surgeon with 100% success rate, who only do very safe, routine operations the best? Or is it the guy with 90%, who only tackles very difficult cases?


This happens all the time. In just last cycle, Herman Cain was leader of GOP pack in polls :

NBC/WSJ poll: Cain now leads GOP pack - NBC News
www.nbcnews.com/.../nbcwsj-poll-cain-now-leads-gop-p...NBCNews.com
Oct 13, 2011 - Fueled by Tea Party supporters, conservatives and high-interest GOP primary voters, former Godfather's Pizza CEO Herman Cain now leads ...


And then media owners decided to get out stories negative about him.


http://assets.decodedscience.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/r-HERMAN-CAIN-WOMEN-large570.jpg
Exclusive: 2 women accused Cain of inappropriate behavior
Chicago Woman Claims Herman Cain Wanted Her to Trade Sex for Job
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/fourth...ry?id=14896935 (http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/fourth-woman-accuses-herman-cain-sexual-harassment/story?id=14896935)


As to surgeons evaluation, there can be various criterion. If these stories are confirmed, patients undergoing critical surgeries may in future demand to know whether the operating surgeon got into medical school based on academic merit alone or based on affirmative action.

Foreigner
10-10-2015, 08:53 PM
As to surgeons evaluation, there can be various criterion. If these stories are confirmed, patients undergoing critical surgeries may in future demand to know whether the operating surgeon got into medical school based on academic merit alone or based on affirmative action.

How they got in shouldn't matter. How they did is relevant. Anyhow, best way to get a good doctor or surgeon is to ask other doctors there and nurses who the good ones are.

Edit: I feel that Cain sort of admitted to the charges by bowing out of the race... But he would not have lasted long anyways. He just said three words during the debates, and they were all "9".

Ronin Truth
10-11-2015, 10:51 AM
Will it soak up any knowledge?

enhanced_deficit
10-16-2015, 10:45 AM
How they got in shouldn't matter.


If the surgeon to operate on your brain had not achieved academic grades required to get admission into medical medical school on merit, would you not want to know that fact before trusting your brain to such a surgeon's scalpel?

jmdrake
10-16-2015, 11:01 AM
http://www.nationalenquirer.com/celebrity/bungling-surgeon-ben-carson-left-sponge-patients-brain

National Enquirer? Really? Neg rep! The last thing we need is for some neocon blogger to say that the Rand Paul campaign has stooped to quoting supermarket tabloids to attack a well known and well loved black neurosurgeon who has actually been consistently positive about Rand Paul. And yes I know RPF isn't the campaign but sometimes it gets quoted like it is.

jmdrake
10-16-2015, 11:08 AM
If the surgeon to operate on your brain had not achieved academic grades required to get admission into medical medical school on merit, would you not want to know that fact before trusting your brain to such a surgeon's scalpel?

:rolleyes: It's funny how many white people are so clueless that they don't know rich whites get into medical school for reasons other than merit. Is your dad an alumnus? Did your family donate a lot of money to the medical school? How much money did you pay to get tutored for the MCAT? I actually know people from the medical school admissions committee for Vanderbilt University and it's not all about academics versus affirmative action. Further if I had a choice between Ben Carson operating on me based on his track record as a surgeon (stupid story from a newspaper that talks about two headed aliens not withstanding) and someone who might have had higher grades or better MCAT scores, I would take Carson.

Lastly It's not the job of the surgeon to count sponges and make sure one is not left in. That's the job of the nurses!

RonPaulFanInGA
10-16-2015, 04:54 PM
National Enquirer? Really?

Once again I'll say: They got the John Edwards story right, when all the "real" media was laughing at them.

enhanced_deficit
10-17-2015, 10:22 AM
:rolleyes: It's funny how many white people are so clueless that they don't know rich whites get into medical school for reasons other than merit. Is your dad an alumnus? Did your family donate a lot of money to the medical school? How much money did you pay to get tutored for the MCAT? I actually know people from the medical school admissions committee for Vanderbilt University and it's not all about academics versus affirmative action. Further if I had a choice between Ben Carson operating on me based on his track record as a surgeon (stupid story from a newspaper that talks about two headed aliens not withstanding) and someone who might have had higher grades or better MCAT scores, I would take Carson.

Lastly It's not the job of the surgeon to count sponges and make sure one is not left in. That's the job of the nurses!

Let's assume for a minute that Ben Carson sponge scandal never happened.

Rich/poor, white/black/indian (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?481957-Trump-Carson-doesn%E2%80%99t-have-the-energy-to-be-president&p=5996916&viewfull=1#post5996916)/orange skin shade does not matter, below question would apply to all.


If the surgeon to operate on your brain had not achieved academic grades required to get admission into medical school on merit, would you not want to know that fact before trusting your brain to such a surgeon's scalpel?

Would you want to know above information about prospective surgeon or not.. if you are choosing a surgeon to operate on brain of yours or of a loved one?

Philhelm
10-20-2015, 10:42 PM
Oh boy. Remember the expression, "Relax, it's not brain surgery?" There's a reason that expression existed. Now we have the media trying to portray a literal brain surgeon as a bungling idiot, while promoting all of the c-sucking attorney and liberal arts Harvard grads. Carson may not be as silver-tongued as those dodgy career politicians, but I'm willing to assume that he is not in fact an idiot (whether he should be President is another question, of course). He could more easily transition to being an attorney than an attorney could transition to being a brain surgeon. Let's get real here.

How many doctors have had malpractice suits against them? Probably a lot, if not most, of them. He was probably pioneering medical science, and he's expected to have a 100% success rate?

Philhelm
11-08-2015, 09:40 AM
Oh boy. Remember the expression, "Relax, it's not brain surgery?" There's a reason that expression existed. Now we have the media trying to portray a literal brain surgeon as a bungling idiot, while promoting all of the c-sucking attorney and liberal arts Harvard grads. Carson may not be as silver-tongued as those dodgy career politicians, but I'm willing to assume that he is not in fact an idiot (whether he should be President is another question, of course). He could more easily transition to being an attorney than an attorney could transition to being a brain surgeon. Let's get real here.

How many doctors have had malpractice suits against them? Probably a lot, if not most, of them. He was probably pioneering medical science, and he's expected to have a 100% success rate?

I'd like my previous comment to be struck from the record.