Doctors Without Borders airstrike: US alters story for fourth time in four days

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Doctors Without Borders airstrike: US alters story for fourth time in four days
Commander of war in Afghanistan tells Senate panel that US forces had called in airstrike at Afghan request – ‘an admission of a war crime’ says MSF chief

General John Campbell says the airstrike was the result of a ‘US decision’. Link to video (http://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2015/oct/06/airstrike-afghan-hospital-us-army-video) Spencer Ackerman in New York

Tuesday 6 October 2015 13.03 EDT Last modified on Tuesday 6 October 2015 17.54 EDT

US special operations forces – not their Afghan allies – called in the deadly airstrike on the Doctors Without Borders hospital in Kunduz, the US commander has conceded.

Shortly before General John Campbell, the commander of the US and Nato war in Afghanistan, testified to a Senate panel, the president of Doctors Without Borders – also known as Médecins sans Frontières (MSF) – said the US and Afghanistan had made an “admission of a war crime”.

The airstrike on the hospital is among the worst and most visible cases of civilian deaths caused by US forces during the 14-year Afghanistan war that Barack Obama has declared all but over. It killed 12 MSF staff and 10 patients, who had sought medical treatment after the Taliban overran Kunduz last weekend. Three children died in the airstrike that came in multiple waves and burned patients alive in their beds.

On Tuesday, MSF denounced Campbell’s press conference as an attempt to shift blame to the Afghans.
“The US military remains responsible for the targets it hits, even though it is part of a coalition,” said its director general, Christopher Stokes.

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/oct/06/doctors-without-borders-airstrike-afghanistan-us-account-changes-again




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Don't forget to add in the officially sanctioned sexual abuse in US bases in your related links.


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[surf]

goddamn right it is, but the term "war crime" implies there are acts of war that are not a crime....

seeing some dude w/more goddamn jewelry on his chest than most third world dictator caricatures along with 4 cute stars on his shoulders like a band major mention "chain of command" makes me think he'd fit in well at the Hague.

[Lucille]

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Snowden Has A Simple Solution To Get To The Bottom Of The US Afghan Bombing "War Crime"
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-10-07/snowden-has-simple-solution-get-bottom-us-afghan-bombing-war-crime


Assuming the US does "agree" to comply with this fact-finding mission, we expect the full data dump - after all the necessary scrubbing of the evidence of course - to take place, some time in 2019.

For now, however, the MSF is not backing down: "If we let this go, we are basically giving a blank check to any countries at war," MSF International President Joanne Liu told a news briefing in Geneva. "There is no commitment to an independent investigation yet."

MSF is in talks with Switzerland about convoking the international commission of independent experts.

"Today we say enough, even war has rules," Liu said.

Again, good luck with all of that.

Then again, none other than US persona non grata #1 has provided a quick and easy solution:

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Yes, quick and easy, unless it is mysteriously revealed that all the AC-130 audio and video record is stored on the clintonemail.com server. We all know what happens then.

[limequat]

Is it possible to love Snowden more than I did yesterday?

[Lucille]

How sweet. He gave them a call and apologized. How much do you want a bet that it never even occurred to the Great Him to give MSF an enormous personal donation for killing their staff and patients?

Obama Apologizes, Says "Will Get To Bottom" Of Afghanistan Bombing
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-10-07/obama-apologizes-says-will-get-bottom-afghanistan-bombing


With the world demanding some explanation or statement from the 2009 Nobel Peace Prize winner for the alleged war crime that was this weekend's deadly U.S. bombing of the 1999 Nobel Peace Prize winner, Doctors Without Borders, Obama did just that, or rather had White House speaker make a statement on his behalf.


President Obama apologized to Doctors Without Borders for the airstrike that killed at least 22 people last weekend, White House Press Secretary Josh Earnest announced today.

"This morning from the Oval Office, President Obama spoke by telephone with Doctors Without Borders International President Dr. Joanne Liu, to apologize and express his condolences for the MSF staff and patients who were killed and injured when a US military airstrike mistakenly struck an MSF field hospital in Kunduz, Afghanistan over the weekend," Earnest said in the White House briefing.

He added that Obama pledged to get to the bottom of the bombing, and would "try" to prevent similar tragedy again. One would think that the commander in chief was "at the bottom" of any campaign that results in civilian casualties. Perhaps not.

It was also unclear if Obama would "get to the bottom" of a war crime he may have committed by following Edward Snowden's simple suggestion of how to achieve just that
[see Snowden tweet above]
Somehow we doubt it.

This Has Become Routine
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2015/10/paul-craig-roberts/vice-is-washingtons-signature/


Also routine is Washington’s obliteration of weddings, funerals, and medical centers with bombs and drones. Two days after Obama expressed his despair, frustration and anger over the Oregon mass shootings, a US air strike hit a hospital in Kunduz, Afghanistan. According to numerous news reports, at least 19 people were killed, including 12 members of Doctors Without Borders, and another 37 wounded. The US air strike killed one person on the operating table, and intensive care patients burned to death in their beds.

For Washington, these mass murders are only “collateral damage,” nothing warranting a presidential statement displaying despair, anger, and frustration.

[Ronin Truth]

It's often pretty hard to keep those lead balloons airborne?

[Slave Mentality]

Yep, teh internets makes it a wee bit harder to lie to motherfuckers 24/7. Not that discovering the lies will do any good. War machine is gonna war.

[angelatc]

How sweet. He gave them a call and apologized. How much do you want a bet that it never even occurred to the Great Him to give MSF an enormous personal donation for killing their staff and patients?
/ (https://www.lewrockwell.com/2015/10/paul-craig-roberts/vice-is-washingtons-signature/)

Maybe a beer summit is overdue.

[TheTexan]

I've never heard of this Geneva Convention, so it can't be that important.

[pcosmar]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pf8CuLIOCwc

[TheTexan]

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Snowden Has A Simple Solution To Get To The Bottom Of The US Afghan Bombing "War Crime"
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-10-07/snowden-has-simple-solution-get-bottom-us-afghan-bombing-war-crime

That rule is ancient (1949), and needs to be updated for the modern era. My suggestion:

"Protection may, however cease only after due warning blah blah, unless of course there are terrorists, then it's fine"

[surf]

76 countries have the opportunity to call for an investigation....

who wants sanctions?

- anyone have a list of the 76 countries?

[TheTexan]

76 countries have the opportunity to call for an investigation....

who wants sanctions?

- anyone have a list of the 76 countries?

Excellent suggestion, I hadnt thought about sanctioning those 76 countries

[ghengis86]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pf8CuLIOCwc

excellent song and dead nuts on. war pigs working for satan; nothing more, nothing less.

[limequat]

76 countries have the opportunity to call for an investigation....

who wants sanctions?

- anyone have a list of the 76 countries?

Good question and guess who is on the list? Russia. Putin could seriously damage Obama's credibility here.




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[Occam's Banana]

I keep hearing this affair being compared to the Oregon shootings. That is well enough, especially in an anti-gun-control context - but in an anti-war context, a much better way in which to frame this incident is in respect to the hypocritical, mealy-mouthed squawkings emitted by the US government-media complex concerning their "outrage" over alleged civilian casualties caused by Russia's recent assistance to Syria.

And what's more, if Bashar al-Assad, Saddam Hussein, or any other featured selection from America's "Demon of the Month" club had been responsible for an act such as this, the very people who are now excusing and defending the US for it would instead be screaming "bloody murder," gibbering about "rogue states," and howling for sanctions, invasion, occupation, etc.

[surf]

go Switzerland. my understanding is that the US and/or Afghanistan would have to agree to an investigation....

[ZENemy]

Exactly why I don't fund these fucking pricks.

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Snowden Has A Simple Solution To Get To The Bottom Of The US Afghan Bombing "War Crime"
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-10-07/snowden-has-simple-solution-get-bottom-us-afghan-bombing-war-crime

Fat chance that hospital airstrike video will be released by team transparency.





Doctors Without Borders says it is leaving Kunduz after strike on hospital

October 5, 2015 12:00 AM
http://www.post-gazette.com/image/2015/10/05/420x_q90_cMC_z_ca17,17,3000,2000/AFGHAN-HOSPITAL-AIRSTRIKE-7-58.jpg (http://www.post-gazette.com/image/2015/10/05/ca17,17,3000,2000/AFGHAN-HOSPITAL-AIRSTRIKE-7-58.jpg)
Victor J. Blue/The New York Times

Madina, 8, who was at the Doctors Without Borders hospital hit by an airstrike in Kunduz, is comforted Saturday by Georgia Novello, a nurse at another hospital, in Kabul, Afghanistan. At least 22 people died and dozens more were wounded at the Kunduz hospital. NATO said Sunday it is investigating the airstrike and whether the damage was caused by U.S. munitions.

http://www.post-gazette.com/news/world/2015/10/05/Doctors-Without-Borders-says-it-is-leaving-Kunduz-after-strike-on-hospital/stories/201510050028



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goddamn right it is, but the term "war crime" implies there are acts of war that are not a crime....



It's often pretty hard to keep those lead balloons airborne?


Yep, teh internets makes it a wee bit harder to lie to motherfuckers 24/7. Not that discovering the lies will do any good. War machine is gonna war.


With the helps of a good freedom media, all things is possible.


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CNN: "may have" (did) - "inadvertently" (totally) - "facility" (hospital)
1:50 PM - 5 Oct 2015



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[Suzanimal]

US to issue 'condolence payments' to families of victims of Afghan hospital airstrike

The Pentagon said on Saturday it would issue “condolence payments” to families of victims in the U.S. airstrike that destroyed a hospital and killed at least 22 people in the northern Afghan city of Kunduz last week.

The compensation will be handled through the already existing Commanders’ Emergency Response Program in Afghanistan, and if necessary additional authority will be sought from Congress, Pentagon Press Secretary Peter Cook said in a statement.

"The Department of Defense believes it is important to address the consequences of the tragic incident," Cook said. "One step the department can take is to make condolence payments to civilian noncombatants injured and the families of civilian noncombatants killed as a result of U.S. military operations."

The U.S. has regularly made payments to Afghans for property damage, injuries and deaths throughout its military presence in the country, according to the Los Angeles Times. The attack on the Doctors Without Borders hospital killed 22 people and injured 37 others.

Afghan President Ashraf Ghani has appointed a team of investigators to look into the circumstances leading to the Taliban’s brief capture of Kunduz as well as the airstrike.

The five-man “fact-finding team” will deliver a “comprehensive report so that we know what happened in Kunduz, what kind of reforms should be brought and what are the lessons learned for the future,” the president was quoted as saying early Saturday.

Ten days after government troops entered Kunduz, they are still fighting to clear out pockets of Taliban insurgents, officials and residents said.

Sarwar Hussaini, spokesman for the provincial police chief, said three areas of the city had been retaken overnight, though a gas station in Seh Darak was hit by a rocket and destroyed. Hussaini said he did not know which side was responsible.

Kunduz resident Abdullah said that people were still leaving the city for safety. He said he had seen grocers emptying their shops of food to take home, fearing scarcities. He would only give his first name because of security concerns.

The World Food Program said it was feeding thousands who had left Kunduz and were now living in camps in other cities in the north, and that “additional wheat is being milled in anticipation of increased needs in the coming days.

Doctors Without Borders has called for an independent probe of the incident by the Swiss-based International Humanitarian Fact-Finding Commission — which is made up of diplomats, legal experts, doctors and some former military officials from nine European countries, including Britain and Russia. It was created after the Gulf War in 1991, and has never deployed a fact-finding mission.

Doctors Without Borders — a Nobel Peace Prize-winning organization that provides medical aid in conflict zones — is awaiting responses to letters sent Tuesday to 76 countries that signed the additional protocol to the Geneva Conventions, asking to mobilize the 15-member commission.

For the IHFFC to be mobilized, a single country would have to call for the fact-finding mission, and the U.S. and Afghanistan — which are not signatories — must also give their consent.

The airstrike was requested by Afghan ground forces, according to the commander of U.S. forces in Afghanistan, Gen. John F. Campbell, but mistakenly hit the hospital.

The bombing continued for about an hour and destroyed the hospital's main building. President Barack Obama apologized and the U.S. military is investigating. The hospital has been abandoned.

Doctors Without Borders said that 12 staff members and 10 patients, all of them Afghans, were killed. Many more are still missing, though all foreign staff have been accounted for.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/10/11/us-to-issue-condolence-payments-to-families-victims-in-afghan-airstrike/?intcmp=hplnws

[enhanced_deficit]

Maybe a beer summit is overdue.

Unlikely.

[enhanced_deficit]

76 countries have the opportunity to call for an investigation....

who wants sanctions?

- anyone have a list of the 76 countries?




Good question and guess who is on the list? Russia. Putin could seriously damage Obama's credibility here.




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Good point.

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Obama defends ‘Black Lives Matter’
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[Lucille]

This makes five.

U.S. Claims $5 Billion Intelligence System “Offline” At Time of Afghan Hospital Bombing
http://strike-the-root.com/us-claims-5-billion-intelligence-system-%E2%80%9Coffline%E2%80%9D-at-time-of-afghan-hospital-bombing


"Apparently any time something happens that calls into question the nobility of the U.S. mission to protect the planet, you can chalk it up to a coincidental intelligence “systems failure” … 9/11, no WMDs in Iraq, ISIS appearing out of nowhere…."

http://www.activistpost.com/2015/10/u-s-claims-5-billion-intelligence-system-offline-at-time-of-afghan-hospital-bombing.html


The latest is the bombing of the Kunduz hospital in Afghanistan. An act so outrageous that it’s being called a war crime by anyone remotely affected by the event. And that wasn’t even the worst of it. As an imminent investigation was about to take place, the U.S. ran a military vehicle through the hospital, possibly destroying key evidence. They called that “inspecting damage.”

The U.S. is now claiming that their $5 billion intelligence computer system just happened to be offline the day of the bombing, effectively making the hospital a blind spot to the bombing campaign.
[...]
To their credit, the Associated Press already has established the great likelihood that the U.S. military had physically been at the hospital for days prior to the incident, so would not have needed a $5 billion dollar apparatus to make a decision to strike or not. Further, the Guardian reported that hospital representatives had already notified the US military of the exact GPS coordinates. Naturally, U.S. officials also have claimed that it was an enemy base of operations, but this strongly conflicts with reports by the doctors and witnesses from the hospital.

Now, instead of war crime investigations, the latest round of propaganda seeks to divert attention to a failed computer system that will be exposed by “whistleblowers:”
[...]
The story about the bombing has already changed at least four times, and the best excuse they have decided upon is that yet another massive intelligence failure has occurred (to the tune of billions of taxpayer dollars, and many more to fix the issue of course). At best we have a complete waste of money, a stunning level of incompetence, and a callous acceptance of 22 dead to be nothing but a collateral damage mistake. At worst, it shows just how naive the people of the United States are believed to be by those directing the instruments of war in their name.

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Wednesday, Oct 28, 2015 12:45 PM EDT
U.S.-backed Saudi coalition bombs Doctors Without Borders hospital weeks after U.S. destroyed Afghan hospital (http://www.salon.com/2015/10/28/u_s_backed_saudi_coalition_bombs_doctors_without_b orders_hospital_weeks_after_u_s_destroyed_afghan_h ospital/)

Weddings, Oxfam aid warehouses, residential neighborhoods — now hospitals can be added to the list of civilian areas bombed (http://www.salon.com/2015/10/09/we_must_pay_attention_to_yemen_eddings_bombed_civi lians_killed_with_u_s_help/) in the Saudi-led, U.S.-backed war in Yemen.
A hospital run by international aid group Doctors Without Borders (referred to internationally in French as Medecins Sans Frontières, MSF) in Yemen was bombed on Monday. MSF says it recognized the planes that bombed it as those belonging to the Saudi-led coalition. The coalition denied attacking the hospital, but the U.N. verified (http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsId=52389#.VjDnlxbP-Sp) that Saudi airstrikes were responsible.
No one was killed in the shelling, but, according to the U.N., several people were injured and the medical facility was razed to the ground. The aid organization also made clear (http://www.msf.org/article/yemen-msf-hospital-destroyed-airstrikes) that its “hospital’s GPS coordinates were regularly shared with the Saudi-led coalition, and the roof of the facility was clearly identified with the MSF logo,” yet it was still shelled for two hours.
Hassan Boucenine, MSF head of mission in Yemen, remarked “This attack is another illustration of a complete disregard for civilians in Yemen, where bombings have become a daily routine.”




This makes five.

U.S. Claims $5 Billion Intelligence System “Offline” At Time of Afghan Hospital Bombing
http://strike-the-root.com/us-claims-5-billion-intelligence-system-%E2%80%9Coffline%E2%80%9D-at-time-of-afghan-hospital-bombing



http://www.activistpost.com/2015/10/u-s-claims-5-billion-intelligence-system-offline-at-time-of-afghan-hospital-bombing.html

Not to defend SWC masters.. but we can't put a price tag on freedom.



Watchdog: Military blew $43M on useless gas station

USA TODAY November 2, 2015
WASHINGTON — U.S. taxpayers footed the bill for a $43 million natural-gas filling station in Afghanistan, a boondoggle that should have cost $500,000 and has virtually no value to average Afghans, the government watchdog for reconstruction in Afghanistan announced Monday.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/11/02/pentagon-afghanistan-gas-station-boondoggle/75037032/

[Lucille]

http://wendymcelroy.com/news.php?extend.6801


From NBC News: WARCRIME: U.S. warplane shot people trying to flee a burning hospital

U.S. Plane Shot Victims Fleeing Doctors Without Borders Hospital: Charity
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/u-s-plane-shot-victims-fleeing-doctors-without-borders-hospital-n457871


"Thirty of our patients and medical staff died [in the bombing]," Doctors Without Borders General Director Christopher Stokes said during a speech in Kabul unveiling a report on the incident. "Some of them lost their limbs and were decapitated in the explosions. Others were shot by the circling gunship while fleeing the burning building."

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Doctors Without Borders Accuses Governments of Bombing Hospitals (http://http://www.care2.com/causes/doctors-without-borders-accuses-governments-of-bombing-hospitals.html) http://dingo.care2.com/pictures/causes/3180/3179516.large.jpg



By: Lizabeth Paulat
June 4, 2016



Doctors Without Borders/Médecins Sans Frontières (MSF) has come out swinging against a number of Western powers, which they say are complicit in the destruction of numerous hospitals in Yemen, Syria and Afghanistan. The humanitarian organization called the targeting of hospitals the “new normal.” (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jun/01/hospitals-are-now-normal-targets-of-war-says-medecins-sans-frontieres-adviser)

Under international humanitarian law (http://www.crimesofwar.org/a-z-guide/hospitals/), hospitals are considered protected areas from acts of war. Because of this supposed protection, organizations working in those hospitals will often share their coordinates to ensure the safety of patients and staff.