View Full Version : Just got my first telephone poll, no Ron Paul
Original_Intent
12-06-2007, 10:00 AM
I just got my first telephone political poll. They asked me to rate the candidates from 1 to 5 with 5 being "very supportive" and 1 being "they suck".
The Republicans I was asked about were:
Rudy Giuliani
Mitt Romney
John McCain
Mike Huckabee
Fred Thompson
They asked about some dems as well.
They asked a ton of other questions as well, regarding how I felt about the economy and the direction of the country etc.
At the end of the survey I ask the pollster who had commisioned the poll and they said Investor Business magazine or something like that. I told them as a Ron Paul supporter I found it amazing that they would do a poll without listing the person who has thousands of supporters at his rally's as opposed to the dozens that show up to the other candidates. I asked why they did not list the candidate that has won about half of the straw polls to date. I told them as a Ron Paul supporter it was pissing me off that poor poll performance keeps getting cited as a reason for Ron Paul to not be considered a serious contender, and then he is not listed as a choice in the first poll I participate in.
The guy said he was just working the phones and he had no say in the questions that he asked. I told him I understood that, but still felt it was wrong and that I couldn't understand why a polling company would not want accurate results.
Anyway, another reason not to be too freaked out about poll numbers.
ItsTime
12-06-2007, 10:02 AM
same old $h1t different day
noxagol
12-06-2007, 10:05 AM
I'm glad they exclude him. When he wins states in primaries, everyone is going to be deer caught in headlights. This further goes to prove my point that NO ONE knows how much support this man has and it is probably a lot higher than anyone realizes. And just think, what if our support base is typical between active and non-active?
ClayTrainor
12-06-2007, 10:06 AM
haha awesome!
This actually makes me happy,
The reason paul is polling so low is due to corruption, not actually polling low, hahahha.
Dam the MSM is gonna be in serious trouble if Ron actually wins the nomination... will anyone trust them again?
Mandrik
12-06-2007, 10:06 AM
All this BS with which candidate is the flavor of the day is really setting up the perfect storm. They pushed McCain early, then went to Rudy, then went to Romney, Fred (for a second), now Huckabee. Split up the vote more, please.
We just need to keep doing the hard work of spreading the message one person at a time. It's working.
Mental Dribble
12-06-2007, 10:10 AM
You know this really inspires me... He can really surge through, his suports dont flip flop, they are resolute.
Falseflagop
12-06-2007, 10:13 AM
Like I keep saying the MEDIA is controlled and they own these POLLING COMPANIES!! They have been excluding RP, Trust me when I tell you he is POLLING way higher than these crooks are telling you!! You really believe Fred Thompson has REAL support? Please stop the madness and Tancredo is 1% behind us in the polls in some places?? Please stop the madness!!
RP is a threat that is why they are BOYCOTTING him on TV !! Only hotpieces for the most part!
Erazmus
12-06-2007, 10:15 AM
It's funny how Huckabee is on that list...
I really believe that all this newfound Huckabee "support" is merely fabricated media phantom support. I see no grassroots movement for him. Everyone I've talked to isn't voting for him, and I don't see any significant gains in his fundraising.
Mortikhi
12-06-2007, 10:17 AM
"Its not me, I only ask the questions!"
"Its not me, I was only following orders!"
Same shit, different day is right. Its always someone else's fault for what people do. If people chose not to do it, then it wouldn't be done.
Mandrik
12-06-2007, 10:19 AM
"Its not me, I only ask the questions!"
"Its not me, I was only following orders!"
Same shit, different day is right. Its always someone else's fault for what people do. If people chose not to do it, then it wouldn't be done.
I work in a call center (not on the phones) and I'm familiar with how call volume is outsourced. Trust me, this dude is just doing his job. He has as much say in the poll as we do. It's like screaming at a guy on the phones because cable is so expensive. You think he sits in on the meetings to decide the price structure?
Yes, I understand that the person on the other end is your only point of contact. That's why you may want to speak to a supervisor or something like that. But take it easy on the common folks on the front line. Hell, try to convert them to RP supporters!
paulitics
12-06-2007, 10:21 AM
It's funny how Huckabee is on that list...
I really believe that all this newfound Huckabee "support" is merely fabricated media phantom support. I see no grassroots movement for him. Everyone I've talked to isn't voting for him, and I don't see any significant gains in his fundraising.
I disagree here. Huckabee's support isn't fabricated.
Original_Intent
12-06-2007, 10:23 AM
Oh yeah, and if you hear results that "people are largely dissatisfied with their options" I think it is due to BS polls like this as I rated ALL of the choices I was given either a "1" or a "2".
Original_Intent
12-06-2007, 10:30 AM
I disagree here. Huckabee's support isn't fabricated.
I agree.
Huckabee's support is real, it is the support of people too lazy to really do any research, he is the "easy" choice of people who want to feel that they did their "civic duty" to vote and want a warm fuzzy that they voted for a "good" person.
He is a real threat as I believe his "true believers" will show up at the polls. He is getting enough negative media attention now that hopefully he will peak early and his support will drop off.
Original_Intent
12-06-2007, 10:32 AM
I work in a call center (not on the phones) and I'm familiar with how call volume is outsourced. Trust me, this dude is just doing his job. He has as much say in the poll as we do. It's like screaming at a guy on the phones because cable is so expensive. You think he sits in on the meetings to decide the price structure?
Yes, I understand that the person on the other end is your only point of contact. That's why you may want to speak to a supervisor or something like that. But take it easy on the common folks on the front line. Hell, try to convert them to RP supporters!
I have worked in a call center as well. I was not abusive to the guy at all and I know he is just doing hius job.
The best I might have accomplished is I may have planted a seed that he will start wondering why RP isn't included in the polls. And it gave me a chance to let off a little steam =)
maeqFREEDOMfree
12-06-2007, 10:33 AM
yeah it's going to be similar the rest of the long road to the white house.. great example was the other day in San Fransisco at that GOP Banquet. People are starting to realize the power we have behind the freedom movement and are afraid of it... I guess some people, when it comes down to it, don't know what true freedom is
Erazmus
12-06-2007, 10:41 AM
I disagree here. Huckabee's support isn't fabricated.
I guess time will tell. Honestly I have seen nothing that would substantiate any significant move in his campaign. I understand the Iowa POLLs, but I'm not a big fan of these POLLs and it's my understanding that a lot of Mitt's support has swapped to Mike's side. But other than media hype, I just don't see it.
I'll agree to disagree, and wait for time to decide on that. Meanwhile, Ron Paul is actually gaining momentum and it's visible online, offline (at meet up groups, rallies, etc.), in the media, and in the fundraising. And that makes me happy. :)
troyd1
12-06-2007, 10:44 AM
Dam the MSM is gonna be in serious trouble if Ron actually wins the nomination... will anyone trust them again?
Does anyone trust them now?
Erazmus
12-06-2007, 10:46 AM
Does anyone trust them now?
Not me.
aksmith
12-06-2007, 10:47 AM
I disagree here. Huckabee's support isn't fabricated.
I think his support isn't as much fabricated as it is media hype driven. They gave him hundreds of hours of free, non-judgmental time to boost his candidacy. My hope is they started their narrative too early, and they will now do the Rudy/Fred job on him: i.e. tear him down.
It's the game they play. But they can't play it with us when they've largely ignored us in the first place. Maybe we've hit the media sweet spot.
troyd1
12-06-2007, 10:50 AM
We need to make sure *EVERY* Ron Paul supporter votes in the primaries/caucuses. In New Hampshire, I believe we could get 50% if the vote. Just like the straw polls, every Ron Paul supporter that can will vote. The worse the weather in the primaries, the better for us. When you have supporters in Iowa going door to door canvassing in an ice storm, that tells you something.
Danny Molina
12-06-2007, 10:57 AM
What polling company was it?
Original_Intent
12-06-2007, 11:17 AM
I am sorry, I did ask, but I don't remember. It was not any of the big ones such as Zogby, Rasmussen, etc. All I can remember it was a three-letter name such as "ITC Research" - that wasn't it, but it was something like that.
Sorry :(
OceanMachine7
12-06-2007, 11:20 AM
Sounds like it could be Investor's Business Daily newspaper (IBD). I get this paper, and it does not surprise they wouldn't include Paul in their poll. Their editorial page is a home for neoconservative opinion.
voytechs
12-06-2007, 11:27 AM
Yeah, but I'm thinking that if the poll didn't have RP as an option, they won't report anything at all on him. Meaning it won't skew any results, since they didn't report on him in the first place.
The biased polls that do list him as an option but use tricky unfavorable questions are the ones that are dishonest.
malibu
12-06-2007, 11:27 AM
Anyway, another reason not to be too freaked out about poll numbers.
Most all of the pollsters and the campaigns ALL use similar phone lists of "likely republicans" who voted before maybe AND they don't even include Ron Paul in the question ?? - damn.
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Goldwater Conservative
12-06-2007, 11:30 AM
"He's not doing well in the polls, so let's not include him in the polls." Gotta love that logic. It's something I'd expect from the Federal Reserve.
fcofer
12-06-2007, 11:50 AM
I agree.
Huckabee's support is real, it is the support of people too lazy to really do any research, he is the "easy" choice of people who want to feel that they did their "civic duty" to vote and want a warm fuzzy that they voted for a "good" person.
He is a real threat as I believe his "true believers" will show up at the polls. He is getting enough negative media attention now that hopefully he will peak early and his support will drop off.
This is also my perception about the majority of Huck supporters that I've met. However, I've converted at least a few Huck supporters who are actually fiscal conservatives rather than social conservatives. They like Huck because he stands for eliminating the IRS, but they have all already been a little uneasy about his penchant for taxation and government spending. Just a little push is all that it's taken (for those who aren't dead-set on conquering Iraq, that is) and then they realize that Paul is their man.
Just goes to show that we need to get our message out more!
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