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nathanielyao
12-06-2007, 09:20 AM
Hi everyone,

Given how big December 16th is turning out to be, with the moneybomb, the rallys all over the country and in Europe, the Blimp, and the media coverage, there is sure to be a boost of curious people and newbies to the TeaParty07.com site after the 16th.

We would like to have something to educate and show off the best of Ron Paul up on the site on the 17th.

Here is the proposed page:
http://mysite.verizon.net/nathanielyao/index.html

Please add your comments, suggestions and critique to this thread. I will be taking care of the TeaParty07.com website after the 16th


Thanks!

nathanielyao
12-06-2007, 10:46 AM
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me3
12-06-2007, 11:04 AM
Just my personal take, I would like to present the fund raising accomplishment, and promote Dr. Paul's revolutionary virtues, and finally promote getting people to the main campaign site for issues research and to donate/signup.

There may be an enormous potential to grow the campaign and continue a high level of donations early in the week after 12/16.

While the Tea Party has historical significance, I think it muddies the picture up too much right before the primaries.

Again, just my 2 cents.

nathanielyao
12-06-2007, 11:45 AM
Just my personal take, I would like to present the fund raising accomplishment, and promote Dr. Paul's revolutionary virtues, and finally promote getting people to the main campaign site for issues research and to donate/signup.

There may be an enormous potential to grow the campaign and continue a high level of donations early in the week after 12/16.

While the Tea Party has historical significance, I think it muddies the picture up too much right before the primaries.

Again, just my 2 cents.

Any specifics as to what is already up?

Talldude1412
12-06-2007, 11:52 AM
Well, covering the Revolution thing is fine, consider adding in points that show why he is a revolutionary figure who's fighting for ideas that should not be so revolutionary for this country. (Liberty, non-interventionism, sound money, strong protection of national sovereignty, constitutionalist), although connecting them to his main page is definitely a good start. Also the Ron Paul Library link would be good. I can get more in detail (provide links for each of his stances so you guys don't have to look em up) if you like.

nathanielyao
12-06-2007, 01:16 PM
Well, covering the Revolution thing is fine, consider adding in points that show why he is a revolutionary figure who's fighting for ideas that should not be so revolutionary for this country. (Liberty, non-interventionism, sound money, strong protection of national sovereignty, constitutionalist), although connecting them to his main page is definitely a good start. Also the Ron Paul Library link would be good. I can get more in detail (provide links for each of his stances so you guys don't have to look em up) if you like.

Added hyperlink to "sound ideas and principles" to ronpaul2008.com/issues

JoshLowry
12-06-2007, 04:12 PM
It looks great. Thanks for the link, we appreciate it.

FreeTraveler
12-06-2007, 04:26 PM
I think it's a wonderful idea, and what I see there so far looks great. I'll think on it a while and see if I have anything useful to suggest.

nathanielyao
12-06-2007, 07:13 PM
Bump for the people coming home.

Added USAToday Ad link

me3
12-06-2007, 07:43 PM
Any specifics as to what is already up?
This text


It's time for a new R3VOLUTION!

Might look better if it was an image in a DIV.

~~~~~~~~~~~


2008 Presidential campaign of Ron Paul.

New line and larger text?

It looks good, I guess what I was trying to say before was it would be great if it was more Ron Paul centric. The after event traffic might be a lot of new people curious to know what this is all about.

nathanielyao
12-06-2007, 08:27 PM
A little less BTP and a little more RP, done! Trying to keep graphics down to a minimum so edited the "Revolution" text a bit to make it look better.

Here is the proposed page:
http://mysite.verizon.net/nathanielyao/index.html


This text



Might look better if it was an image in a DIV.

~~~~~~~~~~~



New line and larger text?

It looks good, I guess what I was trying to say before was it would be great if it was more Ron Paul centric. The after event traffic might be a lot of new people curious to know what this is all about.

Wayne Hammond
12-07-2007, 09:37 AM
Hi Nathaniel -

I would change the wording here:

Exactly 234 years ago, the Boston Tea Party has been seen as helping to spark
the American Revolution.

to something like this:

Exactly 234 years ago, the Boston Tea Party helped spark [or, helped to spark]
the American Revolution.

or perhaps, it might be more accurate to say:

Exactly 234 years ago, the Boston Tea Party helped ignite [or helped to ignite]
the American Revolution.

(eliminating the "has been seen as" part). It's an established fact that the Boston Tea Party did indeed help ignite the Revolution - it sounds better and more assertive with this change, I think.

.

Wayne Hammond
12-07-2007, 09:46 AM
Also, I noticed a possible mistake...

In the quote:

"Short of intentional war, inflation is the immoral act political leaders can commit."
-Ron Paul (Gold, Peace and Prosperity; p. 48-49)

I think this should read:

"Short of intentional war, inflation is the most immoral act political leaders can commit."
-Ron Paul (Gold, Peace and Prosperity; p. 48-49)

I don't have a copy of this book, so I can't check it, but that's probably the correct quote.

.

nathanielyao
12-07-2007, 11:06 AM
Thanks for the edits,

Added an art gallery to highlight the efforts of the grassroots. If you have seen any graphics that are not included in the art gallery, please post them here.

Also, which Grassroots Efforts should I highlight in the links section at the bottom?

Here is the proposed page:
http://mysite.verizon.net/nathanielyao/index.html

Nathaniel

Wayne Hammond
12-07-2007, 11:35 AM
The site looks great, Nathaniel - I'll let others chime in about what Grassroots efforts should be included.

But I have to say that I'm hoping that on Dec. 17, you won't have to do any editing of that $12,345,678.90 figure. :D

.

Energy
12-07-2007, 11:52 AM
Great job, Nathaniel. I would add a couple things and make these stand out:

I think it's crucial to have something about party change and voter registration deadlines (as they're fast approaching). We will win with massive voter turnout. Something like:

Ron Paul supporters: Make sure you are registered to vote in your primary!
Visit: RonPaul2008.com/primary-and-caucus-information (http://www.ronpaul2008.com/primary-and-caucus-information/) & PrimarilyPaul.com/register (http://www.primarilypaul.com/register).

Get involved locally: http://ronpaul.meetup.com

An idea is make a step-by-step action plan, an example:

1. Join the official campaign (https://www.ronpaul2008.com/join/) (especially to get email updates from the campaign)
2. Join your local meetup (https://ronpaul.meetup.com)
3. Get registered to vote in the primaries (http://www.primarilypaul.com/register)
4. Participate in the Grassroots forum (http://ronpaulforums.com)

Wayne Hammond
12-07-2007, 06:09 PM
Nathaniel - this doesn't have to do with the post-TeaParty web site, but maybe you and Trevor can think about this...

There is a bit of confusion on when the actual donations should start on Dec. 16th. (time zones) It might be a good idea to post prominently on the page that donations should be made between 12:01 a.m and 11:59 p.m. Eastern Standard Time on December 16th.

That way, we will make sure and maximize the one-day efforts in order to break the all-time one-day fundraising record. I remember last time there were a lot of donations that came in in the hour or two after the 12 midnight EST cut off time that were not counted in the Nov. 5th totals - these probably came from people living in time zones west of the EST zone, who still thought it was Nov. 5th.

Thanks.

.

nathanielyao
12-07-2007, 09:32 PM
Changed wording a bit and added a video gallery. Trying to figure out how to best implement encouraging people to register republican and vote.

Here is the proposed page:
http://mysite.verizon.net/nathanielyao/index.html

nathanielyao
12-08-2007, 09:43 AM
Added a "What can you do page?"

Here is the proposed page:
http://mysite.verizon.net/nathanielyao/index.html


Great job, Nathaniel. I would add a couple things and make these stand out:

I think it's crucial to have something about party change and voter registration deadlines (as they're fast approaching). We will win with massive voter turnout. Something like:

Ron Paul supporters: Make sure you are registered to vote in your primary!
Visit: RonPaul2008.com/primary-and-caucus-information (http://www.ronpaul2008.com/primary-and-caucus-information/) & PrimarilyPaul.com/register (http://www.primarilypaul.com/register).

Get involved locally: http://ronpaul.meetup.com

An idea is make a step-by-step action plan, an example:

1. Join the official campaign (https://www.ronpaul2008.com/join/) (especially to get email updates from the campaign)
2. Join your local meetup (https://ronpaul.meetup.com)
3. Get registered to vote in the primaries (http://www.primarilypaul.com/register)
4. Participate in the Grassroots forum (http://ronpaulforums.com)

francisco
12-08-2007, 01:23 PM
Hi everyone,

Given how big December 16th is turning out to be, with the moneybomb, the rallys all over the country and in Europe, the Blimp, and the media coverage, there is sure to be a boost of curious people and newbies to the TeaParty07.com site after the 16th.

We would like to have something to educate and show off the best of Ron Paul up on the site on the 17th.

Here is the proposed page:
http://mysite.verizon.net/nathanielyao/index.html

Please add your comments, suggestions and critique to this thread. I will be taking care of the TeaParty07.com website after the 16th


Thanks!

That is really excellent, Nathaniel.

I think you are absolutely correct that we need the site to continue after the day of the TeaParty as a marketing tool to new supporters.

This is a huge opportunity to provide information links to the people who are just being introduced to Ron Paul and his Freedom Message by the TeaParty. I think we missed out on this somewhat after Nov.5 and the Nov.10th Philly rally; the sites provided little afterwards about the results, and I as a supporter remember having a sense of anticlimax. The framework you have provided corrects this.

A big-picture concept that I think is overlooked sometimes is that collecting a lot of money on the TeaParty day is only a means to an end. The larger goal must be to attract new supporters. WE WILL WIN AT THE POLLS ONLY IF WE GROW OUR RANKS. Your post-event concept is one of the ways we can translate new exposure into growth.

As we enter the week leading up the TeaParty, we have a publicity edge over Nov.5th; whereas that day came out of the blue from the standpoint of the MSM, there is now anticipation beforehand. Also, the Blimp adds a huge amount of offbeat interest; we are seeing a lot of attention even before it gets off the ground, and a lot of the media notices are making an explicit connection to the TeaParty.

francisco
12-08-2007, 01:31 PM
Any specifics as to what is already up?

I would make the link at the bottom directing new supporters to the "what to do next" page to be much more prominent.

Consider also putting this same link in a second place closer to the top to grab the attention of new enthisiastic folks who are ready to go ahead right away and don't even need the selling points. Put it right in front of them so they don't even need to drill down to find the action step.

nathanielyao
12-09-2007, 06:34 AM
Changed Ron Paul 2008 Grass Roots to "Grandchildren of Liberty" in response to this thread:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=50008

Opinions?

Here is the proposed page:
http://mysite.verizon.net/nathanielyao/index.html

rancher89
12-09-2007, 07:21 AM
Awesome, great job, waited to post to read the whole thread, great result, thanks

freedom is contagious, catch it, spread it

FreeTraveler
12-09-2007, 07:35 AM
I love it all except "Grandchildren of Liberty". I know lots of people are thinking hard, I hope we come up with something better than this, or Paulites. It's a shame that Libertarians and Liberals have both been totally corrupted by socialists.

Libizens?
Libertzens? (Liberty + citizens, I kinda like this)
Libertians?
Libertines?
Liberteens?
Libertists?
Libericans?
Libicans?
Liberzens?

j.b.
12-09-2007, 03:10 PM
Great Job!!!

Just a thought…
Unless the feeling is that these are too obvious, you may want to consider adding to the "what can you do?" page to show other ways new supporters can show Ron Paul’s growing support. For someone who’s internet access is the weekly trip to the library the following two may be a good fit:

5. Show Ron Paul’s growing support by putting a Ron Paul bumper sticker or magnetic sign on your car.

6. Show Ron Paul’s growing support by putting a Ron Paul sign in your yard or window.

Energy
12-10-2007, 12:32 AM
I would make the link at the bottom directing new supporters to the "what to do next" page to be much more prominent.

Consider also putting this same link in a second place closer to the top to grab the attention of new enthisiastic folks who are ready to go ahead right away and don't even need the selling points. Put it right in front of them so they don't even need to drill down to find the action step.

+1
A link near the top (above the fold). Make it sound more urgent like "What now? Ok, we've raised a record-breaking $12,993,332 in 24 hours! That's AMAZING but Ron Paul CANNOT win unless you do just a few things..."



Great Job!!!

Just a thought…
Unless the feeling is that these are too obvious, you may want to consider adding to the "what can you do?" page to show other ways new supporters can show Ron Paul’s growing support. For someone who’s internet access is the weekly trip to the library the following two may be a good fit:

5. Show Ron Paul’s growing support by putting a Ron Paul bumper sticker or magnetic sign on your car.

6. Show Ron Paul’s growing support by putting a Ron Paul sign in your yard or window.

+1

Have a short MUST to-do list (get registered, change party, etc)

Then have a long list of things they can do to spread the word (e.g. bumper stickers, signs, share popular videos like ronpaulishope.com, help chipins like http://www.ronpaulgraphs.com/chipin.html, make DVDs ronpauldvd.com, etc.)

FluxCapacitor
12-10-2007, 11:57 AM
My quick response:

1) "Americans dumped a total of" sounds like people were throwing their money away. I prefer to think of it as a voice in support of liberty, and an investment in the future of our country.

2) "This time the revolution will not be fought with muskets,
but with sound ideas & principles." Well, it was fought with sound ideas and principles in the 1770's too! It just happened that in the context of what was happening at the time, they had to use muskets also.

3) "The new American REVOLution has begun!" "EVOL" should not be highlighted unless the L and the E are backwards.

HOLLYWOOD
12-10-2007, 01:25 PM
A slow fading in & out or left to right, GREEN NEON backlit GLOW to the final fund raising total digits?

here's an example from the YAHOO Widgets:

http://widgets.yahoo.com/widgets/neon-clock


The example pic on yahoo is not good, but if you download it and set the colors for the digital clock it looks very captivating, especially, with the glowing NEON GREEN.

when the time changes, there's a nice slow fade update... left to right. There's also a slight REFLECTION feature too.

Just an input.

PEACE, Wood

nathanielyao
12-10-2007, 03:56 PM
A slow fading in & out or left to right, GREEN NEON backlit GLOW to the final fund raising total digits?

here's an example from the YAHOO Widgets:

http://widgets.yahoo.com/widgets/neon-clock


The example pic on yahoo is not good, but if you download it and set the colors for the digital clock it looks very captivating, especially, with the glowing NEON GREEN.

when the time changes, there's a nice slow fade update... left to right. There's also a slight REFLECTION feature too.

Just an input.

PEACE, Wood


After thinking about it, I change Grandchildren of Liberty back to Grass Roots...

Trying to keep the to do list short so only 4 items...Put dumped in quotes...Moved some quotes around...Made "What can you do?" really BIG...How do I code the neon green glowy thingy?

Here is the proposed page:
http://mysite.verizon.net/nathanielyao/index.html

moberley
12-10-2007, 05:07 PM
I concur with the change back to grassroots. The meaning of that term is relatively well understood.

I have a couple of suggestions for moving line breaks.

Near the bottom you have:

Those ideas & principles are embodied in the Presidential Campaign of
Congressman Ron Paul.

I suggest making that into this:

Those ideas & principles are embodied in the
Presidential Campaign of Congressman Ron Paul.

Below that you have:

Liberty is lost through complacency...America was born of protest [and] revolution...
- Congressman Ron Paul, August 9, 2004

I suggest putting that on three lines instead of 2 (and put a space before the ellipses).

Liberty is lost through complacency ...
America was born of protest [and] revolution ...
- Congressman Ron Paul, August 9, 2004

The text on your site stretches past your background on my PC but I'm using Ubuntu and the original TeaParty07 site was worse on my computer.

mmink15
12-10-2007, 05:09 PM
I like it, could we just turn the current teaparty page into that?

AisA1787
12-10-2007, 06:33 PM
Please add your comments, suggestions and critique to this thread. I will be taking care of the TeaParty07.com website after the 16th


This is a fantastic idea. Thank you Nathaniel for taking the lead on this. And thank you very much for bringing this up on the forum. The site looks pretty good as is and I think it would be adequate once some of the suggestions already mentioned here are implemented.

That said, I'm gonna get picky and play devil's advocate....

When I look at the web page with a cynical and critical eye, my first impression is that it's about a really expensive tea party. You may laugh at me for saying this, but the two biggest things I see are "Tea Party '07" and "$12,345,678.90." I scan the rest of the page, see something about a Presidential campaign, then something about the American Revolution and that's about it. If I'm not particularly political or if I don't have a lot of time on my hands, I stop right there because: I didn't learn why Ron Paul is awesome and fantastic. I still don't know why $12,345,678.90 is such a big deal (especially compared to those other candidates I hear about all the time on CNN). And even if I knew why Ron Paul is awesome and fantastic, I certainly don't feel the urgency to rush out and do anything because the 2008 Presidential election is almost a year away.


Even though it's a given that many people accessing the page will already have a general idea of what's going on and why it's important because they heard it on the news, the page doesn't scream "New one-day fund raising record! Lots of ordinary, everyday Americans gave their hard-earned cash to Ron Paul because they think that he is the best Republican Presidential candidate, and you can help, too!" and when you get right down to it, that's the message that this page should be sending.

In my mind, this page should be aimed at people who heard a sound bite about the fund raiser or saw a small news segment about it on TV. Like lots of Americans, they're probably politically jaded and/or politically inexperienced and might assume that Ron Paul is just another politician. Even if they were curious enough to find the website, they may be in a hurry or have a short attention span, and once they access the site, they probably have three big questions and they want them answered quickly:

1) Why is $12,345,678.90 such a big deal? How does that compare to the amount of money raised by Rudy McHuckneyson?

If possible, I think a graphical representation of Ron Paul's 4th quarter fund raising compared to that of the other candidates would be great, maybe just a simple bar graph. It would be a high-impact graphic and catch people's attention quickly.

2) Who is Ron Paul? What does he believe in? Is he any different from other Presidential candidates?

Try to find a succinct way of explaining his most important policy positions and make them highly visible above the fold. I'm thinking something like "Fiscal conservative, anti-war, pro-defense Presidential candidate with a Congressional voting record that adheres to Constitutional principles." Have a link to his official campaign website with obvious text like "Ron Paul's positions on other important issues." I skipped right over the "sound ideas & principles" link the first time I saw the page, and I didn't even realize that it linked to the official campaign website.

3) Why does this matter right now? Sure, Ron Paul sounds like a good guy. But the 2008 Presidential election is almost a year away.

Many of us on this forum know that this matters so much right now that we might not remember that the vast majority of people aren't even thinking about Presidential politics yet. This is especially true of people who haven't previously been involved in politics and will be viewing the website out of plain old curiosity. I think the message needs to be something along the lines of "The Presidential primaries start in XX days - Find out how to register to vote for Ron Paul in the primaries" and give a link to state-specific information about registering for primaries. Again, this should be above the fold. I like the information on the page linked by the "What can you do? Click Here" link but it just doesn't grab my attention. It isn't above the fold and doesn't tell me that the primaries are coming up soon, so I might not even be interested enough to click it.


Of course I'm being ultra-critical here, but we need to keep in mind that people are busy with their lives and may not have time to read the website word-for-word and figure out exactly what's going on. If they don't see a good reason to keep reading within 10 or 20 seconds of staring at the page, they'll probably move on.

I know that my suggestions may require a fundamental overhaul of the page, which may or may not be worth it depending on what else you have on your plate over the next five or six days. It's just my two cents...

AisA1787
12-10-2007, 06:50 PM
Also, a minor point about the links near the bottom of the page -- the blue links on the black background are difficult to read and aren't very aesthetically pleasing. Perhaps try a different shade of blue (lighter blue to increase the contrast) or some other color that would be easier to read.

kennygrimm
12-10-2007, 06:56 PM
Good site, just one thing that I think will help as the members of the media read this page and tries to make sense of the donation drive. Of course the tax protest is the central theme behind the donations but that is not the central reason as to why people are donating. A few other comments have suggested this as well. When the media look to this site as an explanation behind the donations I think they will end up spreading a lot of misinformation as they only half-understand the inflation tax, or attempt to debunk it. Wouldn't it be better to provide the top reasons as to WHY people are donating, not only the inflation tax (which may be an enabler to all the other reasons), but also listing things like: smaller federal government, non-interventionism and a withdrawal of troops from around the world (the people taking back the government), phasing out social security, in general libertarian values, getting rid of federal income tax, etc.?

Energy
12-11-2007, 01:39 PM
Good site, just one thing that I think will help as the members of the media read this page and tries to make sense of the donation drive. Of course the tax protest is the central theme behind the donations but that is not the central reason as to why people are donating. A few other comments have suggested this as well. When the media look to this site as an explanation behind the donations I think they will end up spreading a lot of misinformation as they only half-understand the inflation tax, or attempt to debunk it. Wouldn't it be better to provide the top reasons as to WHY people are donating, not only the inflation tax (which may be an enabler to all the other reasons), but also listing things like: smaller federal government, non-interventionism and a withdrawal of troops from around the world (the people taking back the government), phasing out social security, in general libertarian values, getting rid of federal income tax, etc.?

Should definitely be considered. Something like:

On December 16th, 2007, 84,304 American citizens donated $12,556,443 to the Ron Paul presidential campaign to express their frustration with government's support of:


Preemptive, undeclared wars and foreign occupations that cost billions of taxpayers' money, undermining and threatening our national security and economy.

Flagrant abuse of the monetary system that ultimately drives the value of our dollar down, robbing the wealth of working Americans (Federal Reserve, inflation tax, federal income tax, manipulation of money supply).

Lack of respect for our personal liberties and freedom by way of the PATRIOT Act, National ID card, warrentless wiretapping and searches, suspending habeas corpus.


List what he'll do: minimize government, bring troops home, etc.

And always good to mention receiving more contributions from military personnel than all the other candidates.

freedom-maniac
12-11-2007, 02:33 PM
I think instead of saying this revolution will be won with ideas and principals instead of muskets, you should say, "Ballots, instead of bullets". It's catchier and emphasizes non-violence.

noztnac
12-11-2007, 07:22 PM
Hi everyone,

Given how big December 16th is turning out to be, with the moneybomb, the rallys all over the country and in Europe, the Blimp, and the media coverage, there is sure to be a boost of curious people and newbies to the TeaParty07.com site after the 16th.

We would like to have something to educate and show off the best of Ron Paul up on the site on the 17th.

Here is the proposed page:
http://mysite.verizon.net/nathanielyao/index.html

Please add your comments, suggestions and critique to this thread. I will be taking care of the TeaParty07.com website after the 16th


Thanks!


I'm in South Korea. The link is blocked. Can't get there from here.

RPinSEAZ
12-11-2007, 07:32 PM
This is a fantastic idea. Thank you Nathaniel for taking the lead on this. And thank you very much for bringing this up on the forum. The site looks pretty good as is and I think it would be adequate once some of the suggestions already mentioned here are implemented.

That said, I'm gonna get picky and play devil's advocate....

When I look at the web page with a cynical and critical eye, my first impression is that it's about a really expensive tea party. You may laugh at me for saying this, but the two biggest things I see are "Tea Party '07" and "$12,345,678.90." I scan the rest of the page, see something about a Presidential campaign, then something about the American Revolution and that's about it. If I'm not particularly political or if I don't have a lot of time on my hands, I stop right there because: I didn't learn why Ron Paul is awesome and fantastic. I still don't know why $12,345,678.90 is such a big deal (especially compared to those other candidates I hear about all the time on CNN). And even if I knew why Ron Paul is awesome and fantastic, I certainly don't feel the urgency to rush out and do anything because the 2008 Presidential election is almost a year away.


Even though it's a given that many people accessing the page will already have a general idea of what's going on and why it's important because they heard it on the news, the page doesn't scream "New one-day fund raising record! Lots of ordinary, everyday Americans gave their hard-earned cash to Ron Paul because they think that he is the best Republican Presidential candidate, and you can help, too!" and when you get right down to it, that's the message that this page should be sending.

In my mind, this page should be aimed at people who heard a sound bite about the fund raiser or saw a small news segment about it on TV. Like lots of Americans, they're probably politically jaded and/or politically inexperienced and might assume that Ron Paul is just another politician. Even if they were curious enough to find the website, they may be in a hurry or have a short attention span, and once they access the site, they probably have three big questions and they want them answered quickly:

1) Why is $12,345,678.90 such a big deal? How does that compare to the amount of money raised by Rudy McHuckneyson?

If possible, I think a graphical representation of Ron Paul's 4th quarter fund raising compared to that of the other candidates would be great, maybe just a simple bar graph. It would be a high-impact graphic and catch people's attention quickly.

2) Who is Ron Paul? What does he believe in? Is he any different from other Presidential candidates?

Try to find a succinct way of explaining his most important policy positions and make them highly visible above the fold. I'm thinking something like "Fiscal conservative, anti-war, pro-defense Presidential candidate with a Congressional voting record that adheres to Constitutional principles." Have a link to his official campaign website with obvious text like "Ron Paul's positions on other important issues." I skipped right over the "sound ideas & principles" link the first time I saw the page, and I didn't even realize that it linked to the official campaign website.

3) Why does this matter right now? Sure, Ron Paul sounds like a good guy. But the 2008 Presidential election is almost a year away.

Many of us on this forum know that this matters so much right now that we might not remember that the vast majority of people aren't even thinking about Presidential politics yet. This is especially true of people who haven't previously been involved in politics and will be viewing the website out of plain old curiosity. I think the message needs to be something along the lines of "The Presidential primaries start in XX days - Find out how to register to vote for Ron Paul in the primaries" and give a link to state-specific information about registering for primaries. Again, this should be above the fold. I like the information on the page linked by the "What can you do? Click Here" link but it just doesn't grab my attention. It isn't above the fold and doesn't tell me that the primaries are coming up soon, so I might not even be interested enough to click it.


Of course I'm being ultra-critical here, but we need to keep in mind that people are busy with their lives and may not have time to read the website word-for-word and figure out exactly what's going on. If they don't see a good reason to keep reading within 10 or 20 seconds of staring at the page, they'll probably move on.

I know that my suggestions may require a fundamental overhaul of the page, which may or may not be worth it depending on what else you have on your plate over the next five or six days. It's just my two cents...

QFT!

fireinme
12-11-2007, 08:18 PM
A total of 123,456 Americans just like you donated an average of $100

Make this the first thing they see. This should be the message. Next in importance is why thy donated then you can tell them how much was made.


This time the revolution will not be fought with muskets,
but with sound ideas & principles.

this looks like we are talking about sound not ideas.

Do not have pink on this page it is really disgusting.

Naraku
12-11-2007, 09:02 PM
I think the pink links should be changed to a different color like dark red or black. The green links should probably be a little darker, though they're pretty good as is.

Also, the text seems kind of unprofessional on there. Make it more stylized kind of like formal handwriting, though not as elaborate as the Tea Party part. However the typewriter look just comes off bland and unappealing. Also, a bigger picture of Paul in a more prominent place, but somewhat like the one you have in style.

On the what to do page it seems like there's too much space. Making the text bigger and putting more space between 1 and 2, but less space between the other numbers.

It also would be nice to add a call to donate with a link since Paul will need plenty of donations even after December 16th.

Oh the numbers for amount raise should be more prominent, perhaps something to highlight the number more either a slight change to the area behind it or some special outline or something like that.

AisA1787
12-11-2007, 09:22 PM
Do not have pink on this page it is really disgusting.

+1

I noticed the link color changes, too. On the bright side, they're more attention-grabbing and easier to read. However, and I'm not trying to be mean-spirited here, the web page looks like a graphic designer made a decent attempt at it, completed about 70% of the project, gave up, and let an amateur finish it. I'm not trying to offend anyone, I'm just being honest.

The Tea Party 07 website is almost guaranteed to receive a large surge in traffic in the days following December 16th, and that's why it's so important to make it look professional. Appearances do matter. When people see a professional-looking website, they are more likely to (1) read it, and (2) believe that the message on that website is important. When people see an amateur website (a site with animated gifs, a textured/patterned background, and flashing text that is bright red and green, for example) they probably don't lend much credibility to its message and they won't read it. That's an extreme example, and the current Tea Party 07 is almost professional, but it could use some help.

Let's pretend I had $2500 to spend on it. I would hire a graphic web design firm and work with them on the visual appearance of the website. These firms usually charge in the neighborhood of $75/hour and the project would probably come in at $1500 to $2000. I would also, and this is something you can do even if you don't change the visual appearance of the website, hire a professional copywriter. He or she will be able to tweak the wording and really make the message shine. Writing great copy is an art, and the best copywriters are expensive - $50 to $100/hour, but well worth it.

If you've perused the CSS Zen Garden archives (and if you don't mind that some of the graphic design is a little over-the-top and not practical) you'll find some striking examples of how to make a website really come alive. All the different designs use the exact same html, but different cascading style sheets. Two examples with semi-relevant themes can be found here:

http://www.csszengarden.com/?cssfile=126/126.css
http://www.csszengarden.com/?cssfile=199/199.css

If you go to the archives, you can find the names and website address of the graphic artists who designed these pages (so you can get their contact info, rates, etc), and also see a bunch of other designs:

http://www.mezzoblue.com/zengarden/alldesigns/

I don't know if there is any kind of budget for the website, or if Liberty Political Advertising is at liberty to push a couple of thousand dollars towards it, or if you already know everything I've said here and decided it wasn't the best idea. But there are a few days left before the Tea Party, so there is time to improve this page if there is money available.

AisA1787
12-11-2007, 09:39 PM
It also would be nice to add a call to donate with a link since Paul will need plenty of donations even after December 16th.


+1

nathanielyao
12-12-2007, 05:53 PM
Removed the pink, sorry, didn't know it was there, I agree, it was hideous.

Added donation widget!!!

Added "Join Ron" widget!!!

Woo hoo!!!

Here is the proposed page:
http://mysite.verizon.net/nathanielyao/index.html

Sey.Naci
12-12-2007, 06:28 PM
Nathaniel, this website looks much better put together than the original one, particularly for cross-browser compatibility.

Re Safari, there are these elements that could use some tweaking.

http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q211/nacisey/RPjoin.gif http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q211/nacisey/RPdonate.gif

http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q211/nacisey/largeFont.gif

I haven't bothered about the quality of these images re resolution, since it's the overlapping that's the problem in each case.

HOLLYWOOD
12-12-2007, 06:58 PM
+1

I noticed the link color changes, too. On the bright side, they're more attention-grabbing and easier to read. However, and I'm not trying to be mean-spirited here, the web page looks like a graphic designer made a decent attempt at it, completed about 70% of the project, gave up, and let an amateur finish it. I'm not trying to offend anyone, I'm just being honest.

The Tea Party 07 website is almost guaranteed to receive a large surge in traffic in the days following December 16th, and that's why it's so important to make it look professional. Appearances do matter. When people see a professional-looking website, they are more likely to (1) read it, and (2) believe that the message on that website is important. When people see an amateur website (a site with animated gifs, a textured/patterned background, and flashing text that is bright red and green, for example) they probably don't lend much credibility to its message and they won't read it. That's an extreme example, and the current Tea Party 07 is almost professional, but it could use some help.

Let's pretend I had $2500 to spend on it. I would hire a graphic web design firm and work with them on the visual appearance of the website. These firms usually charge in the neighborhood of $75/hour and the project would probably come in at $1500 to $2000. I would also, and this is something you can do even if you don't change the visual appearance of the website, hire a professional copywriter. He or she will be able to tweak the wording and really make the message shine. Writing great copy is an art, and the best copywriters are expensive - $50 to $100/hour, but well worth it.

If you've perused the CSS Zen Garden archives (and if you don't mind that some of the graphic design is a little over-the-top and not practical) you'll find some striking examples of how to make a website really come alive. All the different designs use the exact same html, but different cascading style sheets. Two examples with semi-relevant themes can be found here:

http://www.csszengarden.com/?cssfile=126/126.css
http://www.csszengarden.com/?cssfile=199/199.css

If you go to the archives, you can find the names and website address of the graphic artists who designed these pages (so you can get their contact info, rates, etc), and also see a bunch of other designs:

http://www.mezzoblue.com/zengarden/alldesigns/

I don't know if there is any kind of budget for the website, or if Liberty Political Advertising is at liberty to push a couple of thousand dollars towards it, or if you already know everything I've said here and decided it wasn't the best idea. But there are a few days left before the Tea Party, so there is time to improve this page if there is money available.

EXCELLENT!!!!

HOLLYWOOD
12-12-2007, 07:13 PM
Removed the pink, sorry, didn't know it was there, I agree, it was hideous.

Added donation widget!!!

Added "Join Ron" widget!!!

Woo hoo!!!

Here is the proposed page:
http://mysite.verizon.net/nathanielyao/index.html

What changes on, Sunday 16th... Tea Party Day?

Has anyone coordinated a media biltz (emails etc), or the pages will just link to rp2008.com?

I really like that CSS ZENGARDEN stuff! Can you could incorporate that into the webpage?

HOLLYWOOD
12-12-2007, 07:32 PM
Wouldn't you want to set the default about in the "DONATION" box to $100 instead of $10?

Just a suggestion...

AisA1787
12-12-2007, 07:41 PM
I really like that CSS ZENGARDEN stuff! Can you could incorporate that into the webpage?

It's original copyrighted work of those two artists, so no. But you could hire them... :D

Energy
12-12-2007, 08:44 PM
Ideally, we hire 2 people:

1) Web designer. There are professional web designers who are Ron Paul supporters who could work for less pay or even free to help the cause. They'll take care of cross-browser compatibility and make it look clean and organized. All we need is a single page designed so there shouldn't be too much involved.

2) Hire copywriter. Again a Ron Paul supporter could do it for cheap or free. We need top-notch writing that ignites people to take action. This isn't high priority as we can all help with copywriting to some extent.

If cost is needed, we can chip in.

We can post on craigslist. Post on job boards. Post on forums like sitepoint.com and digitalpoint.com

What do you guys think? We can start posting ads tonight. If nothing comes out of it and we stick with the current design, at least it's another way to get Ron Paul's name and the tea party out there for very little work on our part.

enjoiskaterguy
12-12-2007, 11:30 PM
EDIT THESE...

At the end of the scroll...


Remove the 2nd Donation box, and the "Join the Ron Paul Revolution" image. It looks VERY chessy and 90's-ish.
Move the winning youtube debate clip up, so it is right below the end of the scroll.
then place the "land of the free" video to the left of the large youtube video, and the "A New Hope 2.0" video to the right.(you are going to to have to shrink the size of the youtube debate clip a little)
Having the black background is not pleasing to the eye...continue the double american flags going down the sides all throughout the page. Don't tile them them, but flip the flags' image so they connect to the current border flags.

AisA1787
12-13-2007, 08:41 AM
If cost is needed, we can chip in.

We can post on craigslist. Post on job boards. Post on forums like sitepoint.com and digitalpoint.com

What do you guys think? We can start posting ads tonight.


I'm in. If you've already written up a good ad can you post it here so people can post it to craigslist?

nathanielyao
12-13-2007, 08:05 PM
Trevor will be taking care of the final post-16th page...Thanks for everyone's help!

AisA1787
12-13-2007, 08:31 PM
You're welcome. Looking forward to it.