Muslim Kid Clock Hoax

[William R]

Hey Ahmed, You Didn’t Build That! Muslim Teen’s Digital Clock “Invention” A Fraudulent Hoax


http://libertynews.com/2015/09/boy-genius-ahmed-mohameds-digital-clock-invention-is-a-hoax-he-didnt-build-it/

Judge Andrew just on Fox called it a purposeful hoax. Parents now suing School and Police. Scam all the way.

[Danke]

Hey Ahmed, You Didn’t Build That! Muslim Teen’s Digital Clock “Invention” A Fraudulent Hoax


http://libertynews.com/2015/09/boy-genius-ahmed-mohameds-digital-clock-invention-is-a-hoax-he-didnt-build-it/

Judge Andrew just on Fox called in a purposeful hoax. Parents now suing School and Police. Scam all the way.

But Zippy told us he invented something!

[William R]

But Zippy told us he invented something!

Well Zippy is Zippy.

[puppetmaster]

Would not be surprised.

[TheCount]

Oh, shit, well this changes everything. Bringing an invention to school is awesome but bringing a non-invention to school is a capital offense.

[TheTexan]

Well, is he Muslim, or isn't he?

[Yehudi]

Well, is he Muslim, or isn't he?
He's an American to me, as long as he's registered to vote.

[DevilsAdvocate]

I wouldn't call it an "invention". Looked like an FPGA. He was probably going through a tutorial on simple digital logic. That's a programming job, not an electrical engineering one.

[alucard13mm]

Kevin Spacey (Father of Invention): I am a fabricator, not an inventor.

[limequat]

He's an American to me, as long as he's registered to vote.

Dude's like 14 years old.

[donnay]

Flashback:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fw8Uze31t8k

[morfeeis]

Has nothing to do with the kidnapping charges, false arrest charges and a host of other issues from this story.

[juleswin]

He's an American to me, as long as he's registered to vote.

Vote for Netenyahu? Whats with the Israeli flag in your avatar? not at all saying you should change it but that is a bit unusual in this kind of community

[brandon]

These conspiracy theories are so ridiculous. Reverse engineering and playing with radio shack electronics is normal engineering inquisitiveness. I did the same shit as a teenager. Hell I was even more nefarious.... I modified radio shack tone dialers to allow me to scam payphones into giving me free calls when I was his age. And brought it to school.

[Valli6]

Remember that he was not arrested for bringing a bomb to school. He was arrested for bringing a hoax bomb to school. That is also against the law. Somewhat like yelling fire in a theater. Kid and his parents were probably unaware of that law.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEDXWtq_B3s

He did not make a clock.
He did not make a bomb.
He made a fake bomb.
May have even used one of these how-tos:
http://www.instructables.com/howto/clock+bomb/

[erowe1]

Hey Ahmed, You Didn’t Build That! Muslim Teen’s Digital Clock “Invention” A Fraudulent Hoax


http://libertynews.com/2015/09/boy-genius-ahmed-mohameds-digital-clock-invention-is-a-hoax-he-didnt-build-it/

Judge Andrew just on Fox called it a purposeful hoax. Parents now suing School and Police. Scam all the way.

If this is true, good for this kid and his family.

[timosman]

If this is true, good for this kid and his family.

Great lesson for the kid - How to fuck the system 101. Wait till he gets older.:D

[erowe1]

Remember that he was not arrested for bringing a bomb to school. He was arrested for bringing a hoax bomb to school. That is also against the law. Somewhat like yelling fire in a theater. Kid and his parents were probably unaware of that law.

I'm sure that everyone is aware that you're not allowed to bring a hoax bomb to school. But he didn't do that. He brought a real clock to school, and never pretended it was anything other than a clock, which is why he was released without charge and the school and police are now national laughing stocks.

And again, if this kid and his family really planned it that way, then hats off to them.

[Acala]

Remember that he was not arrested for bringing a bomb to school. He was arrested for bringing a hoax bomb to school. That is also against the law. Somewhat like yelling fire in a theater. Kid and his parents were probably unaware of that law.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEDXWtq_B3s

He did not make a clock.
He did not make a bomb.
He made a fake bomb.
May have even used one of these how-tos:
http://www.instructables.com/howto/clock+bomb/

Just because some activity has a law written about it doesn't mean anything about the harmful intent or effect of that activity.

[Ender]

These conspiracy theories are so ridiculous. Reverse engineering and playing with radio shack electronics is normal engineering inquisitiveness. I did the same shit as a teenager. Hell I was even more nefarious.... I modified radio shack tone dialers to allow me to scam payphones into giving me free calls when I was his age. And brought it to school.

Exactly.

If the kid wasn't a Muslim this would be a non-story.

[timosman]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfdpcrOgUp4

[erowe1]

Exactly.

If the kid wasn't a Muslim this would be a non-story.

This kind of thing happens to non-muslims all the time.

You're right, it's treated as a non-story when it does happen. But it deserves more press. Kudos for this family for bringing national attention to the major widespread problem of schools' zero-tolerance policies.

[Valli6]

...you're not allowed to bring a hoax bomb to school. But he didn't do that. He brought a real clock to school, and never pretended it was anything other than a clock...

He did exactly that. He did not BUILD a clock. He took the innards out of a clock but made no modifications, which makes it resemble a bomb. This is exactly how you make a fake bomb.

Here is what fake bomb makers build:
Bomb Clock http://www.instructables.com/id/Bomb-Clock-1/?ALLSTEPS
Bomb Clock http://www.instructables.com/id/bomb-clock/

Here is what home-made clockmakers build:
http://www.instructables.com/howto/clocks/

[twomp]

Remember that he was not arrested for bringing a bomb to school. He was arrested for bringing a hoax bomb to school. That is also against the law. Somewhat like yelling fire in a theater. Kid and his parents were probably unaware of that law.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEDXWtq_B3s

He did not make a clock.
He did not make a bomb.
He made a fake bomb.
May have even used one of these how-tos:
http://www.instructables.com/howto/clock+bomb/

Please explain how this was a "hoax bomb"? Did it have "hoax explosives" in it? A paper that says "boom?" If you are going to build a "hoax bomb", why not put hoax explosives in it too?

You are as sharp as a ball. I can tell.

[erowe1]

He did exactly that. He did not BUILD a clock. He took the innards out of a clock but made no modifications, which makes it resemble a bomb. This is exactly how you make a fake bomb.


Why did you put "build" in all-caps? I never said he built anything. But what he brought to his school was not a fake bomb. It was a clock, as you just said. And that's all he ever claimed it was.

If it resembled a bomb, that's only because a bomb that's made out of a clock resembles a clock (obviously), which is all this was, a harmless clock, as you admit.

A bomb that's made out of a pressure cooker resembles a pressure cooker. A bomb that's made out of a backpack resembles a backpack. And so on. By this reasoning every kid with a backpack had a fake bomb.

The fault here lies completely on the state-based school with its zero-tolerance policy for harmless things that resemble harmful things, and the state-based police department for cooperating with them. This story goes right along with all the accounts of kids getting in trouble for chewing pop tarts into gun shapes, and such things. And the Mohammed family has succeeded in going further than any of these past victims of this nonsense in exposing it to the public and shaming the schools that follow it.

If it really was by design that this kid's family made the government look like fools, then once again, three cheers for them. May we all take a lesson from them.

I can't see why anybody would take the government's side in this.

[Ender]

This kind of thing happens to non-muslims all the time.

You're right, it's treated as a non-story when it does happen. But it deserves more press. Kudos for this family for bringing national attention to the major widespread problem of schools' zero-tolerance policies.

I am in complete agreement.

[Acala]

He did exactly that. He did not BUILD a clock. He took the innards out of a clock but made no modifications, which makes it resemble a bomb. This is exactly how you make a fake bomb.

Here is what fake bomb makers build:
Bomb Clock http://www.instructables.com/id/Bomb-Clock-1/?ALLSTEPS
Bomb Clock http://www.instructables.com/id/bomb-clock/

Here is what home-made clockmakers build:
http://www.instructables.com/howto/clocks/

He brought a penis to school. That's how rape begins. People who are not potential rapists do not carry around a penis.

[cajuncocoa]

He brought a penis to school. That's how rape begins. People who are not potential rapists do not carry around a penis.
LOL

[dannno]

These conspiracy theories are so ridiculous. Reverse engineering and playing with radio shack electronics is normal engineering inquisitiveness. I did the same shit as a teenager. Hell I was even more nefarious.... I modified radio shack tone dialers to allow me to scam payphones into giving me free calls when I was his age. And brought it to school.

Phreak.

[Yehudi]

Dude's like 14 years old.
That shouldn't stop him from voting. The younger they start the better.

[juleswin]

He brought a penis to school. That's how rape begins. People who are not potential rapists do not carry around a penis.

If we are going to make analogies, then he didn't just bring his penis to class, he pulled it out hard and erect in front of the girls shower room and then wondered why people are complaining. You are a smart guy and I am sure you know that it is not standard for children to be bringing to school what ostensibly looks like a brief case bomb. What he did was out of line, my guess is that he planned for something to happen. He set the right bait and the school and police department fell right into it.

At 14 yrs old, he should have known that the contraption he calls a clock would get him in trouble.

[Zippyjuan]

If we are going to make analogies, then he didn't just bring his penis to class, he pulled it out hard and erect in front of the girls shower room and then wondered why people are complaining. You are a smart guy and I am sure you know that it is not standard for children to be bringing to school what ostensibly looks like a brief case bomb. What he did was out of line, my guess is that he planned for something to happen. He set the right bait and the school and police department fell right into it.

At 14 yrs old, he should have known that the contraption he calls a clock would get him in trouble.

Not a briefcase but a pencil case. Pretty small thing really.

The "suitcase" measures 8.25 inches by 5.5 inches by 2.5 inches on the outside. How big of a bomb could you hide in one of those? (the clock took up about half that space): http://www.amazon.com/Vaultz-Locking-Pencil-Inches-VZ01479/dp/B001BXZ28K

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51zVIc64naL.jpg


http://www.wired.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/AP_250782557912-582x462.jpg

[Valli6]

Why did you put "build" in all-caps? I never said he built anything. But what he brought to his school was not a fake bomb. It was a clock, as you just said. And that's all he ever claimed it was.
Right, he said he "invented" a clock. The narative you are supporting is that he's a very intelligent kid (maybe he is) that invented/built/created/ something.

Since we can now distinguish from the photo that he did not invent, build, modify, add function to, or create anything, why did he keep showing it around in each class? Why did he plug it in and set it to go off during english class after several teachers had told him to put it away, so he wouldn't scare anyone? He knew it looked suspicious and admitted as much when he said he "closed it with a cable" instead of locking it, so it wouldn't look quite so suspicious. He knew what he was doing. I never suggested the kid should've been arrested, but he was treated the same way as every other kid arrested for bomb-scare reasons (and under much less suspicious circumstances). Let's stop pretending he's an innocent genius that was singled out for showing off creative skills with electronics, or that he's some kind of freedom fighter who wants to see authoritarian laws repealed!

I have never defended the zero tolerance policies here, as I've said earlier. But this did not happen because of his skin color, and it's hypocritical to raise a Sh!t over this single instance, while discounting all the others who have been arrested for the same thing.

[Acala]

At 14 yrs old, he should have known that the contraption he calls a clock would get him in trouble.

But that really is beside the point. Knowing that something will likely get you in trouble does not mean that it SHOULD get you in trouble. The risk of a school kid bringing a bomb to school is so improbable as to be nearly imaginary. The problem in this scenario is ALL on the side of government and none on the side of a kid who AT MOST might be a little mischevious.

[helmuth_hubener]

Look, both sides (on this thread) are right.

1. It is true that the state schools are draconian, authoritarian messes full of the clueless, third-rate morons we call "education school graduates." They over-react to everything, have no understanding of anything, and are good for absolutely nothing. Our default position should be against them and their stupidity. And in this case, there is no reason to go against that default. The teacher who became alarmed was a clueless, over-reacting moron, and the goon who arrested him was an authoritarian thug who violated his rights and wrongfully arrested him.

2. There is clearly something more going on to this story. This kid did not just do this innocently. The project is a mass-produced digital clock disassembled to resemble a Hollywood-style suitcase bomb. That was intentional. There is no way it's just a random coincidence that it happens to look just like a Hollywood-style suitcase bomb. It is very clearly designed to look like a stereotypical suitcase bomb like you would see in the movies. Anyone looking at it would immediately see that that's what it was supposed to be. If it was a prop appearing in the school play, there would be absolutely no audience confusion as to what it was supposed to be. There is also no way that it's just a coincidence that his father is a perpetual candidate for President of Sudan.

What it all means, I don't know. Why the would-be President of Sudan wanted to have his son bring a clearly suspicious object -- intentionally suspicious, designed to be look suspicious and dangerous -- I do not know. But there's clearly something else going on here, I just can't make all the connections.

Short version: I condemn the school and the state for their actions in this. Of course. At the same time I also do not lionize Ahmed Mohamed and Mohamed Mohamed. Ahmed did nothing brave or heroic or even intelligent, and I personally doubt he even disassembled and re-configured the clock into the fake bomb, Mohamed probably did. The Mohamed family is clearly up to something, or somebody is anyway. As investigative journalism is not exactly strong these days, we may never know what.

[Acala]

Look, both sides (on this thread) are right.

1. It is true that the state schools are draconian, authoritarian messes full of the clueless, third-rate morons we call "education school graduates." They over-react to everything, have no understanding of anything, and are good for absolutely nothing. Our default position should be against them and their stupidity. And in this case, there is no reason to go against that default. The teacher who became alarmed was a clueless, over-reacting moron, and the goon who arrested him was an authoritarian thug who violated his rights and wrongfully arrested him.

2. There is clearly something more going on to this story. This kid did not just do this innocently. The project is a mass-produced digital clock disassembled to resemble a Hollywood-style suitcase bomb. That was intentional. There is no way it's just a random coincidence that it happens to look just like a Hollywood-style suitcase bomb. It is very clearly designed to look like a stereotypical suitcase bomb like you would see in the movies. Anyone looking at it would immediately see that that's what it was supposed to be. If it was a prop appearing in the school play, there would be absolutely no audience confusion as to what it was supposed to be. There is also no way that it's just a coincidence that his father is a perpetual candidate for President of Sudan.

What it all means, I don't know. Why the would-be President of Sudan wanted to have his son bring a clearly suspicious object -- intentionally suspicious, designed to be look suspicious and dangerous -- I do not know. But there's clearly something else going on here, I just can't make all the connections.

Short version: I condemn the school and the state for their actions in this. Of course. At the same time I also do not lionize Ahmed Mohamed and Mohamed Mohamed. Ahmed did nothing brave or heroic or even intelligent, and I personally doubt he even disassembled and re-configured the clock into the fake bomb, Mohamed probably did. The Mohamed family is clearly up to something, or somebody is anyway. As investigative journalism is not exactly strong these days, we may never know what.

I approve of this summary.

[Ender]

If we are going to make analogies, then he didn't just bring his penis to class, he pulled it out hard and erect in front of the girls shower room and then wondered why people are complaining. You are a smart guy and I am sure you know that it is not standard for children to be bringing to school what ostensibly looks like a brief case bomb. What he did was out of line, my guess is that he planned for something to happen. He set the right bait and the school and police department fell right into it.

At 14 yrs old, he should have known that the contraption he calls a clock would get him in trouble.

Well, did he show it to a teacher or not? The teacher says he did- so if that is the first thing the kid did, why does everyone think it was a "planned" hoax?

[timosman]

Well, did he show it to a teacher or not? The teacher says he did- so if that is the first thing the kid did, why does everyone think it was a "planned" hoax?

http://www.pediatricdentistct.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/CT-Pediatric-Dentistry.jpghttp://www.pediatricdentistct.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/CT-Pediatric-Dentistry.jpghttp://www.pediatricdentistct.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/CT-Pediatric-Dentistry.jpg
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[Ender]

Look, both sides (on this thread) are right.

1. It is true that the state schools are draconian, authoritarian messes full of the clueless, third-rate morons we call "education school graduates." They over-react to everything, have no understanding of anything, and are good for absolutely nothing. Our default position should be against them and their stupidity. And in this case, there is no reason to go against that default. The teacher who became alarmed was a clueless, over-reacting moron, and the goon who arrested him was an authoritarian thug who violated his rights and wrongfully arrested him.

2. There is clearly something more going on to this story. This kid did not just do this innocently. The project is a mass-produced digital clock disassembled to resemble a Hollywood-style suitcase bomb. That was intentional. There is no way it's just a random coincidence that it happens to look just like a Hollywood-style suitcase bomb. It is very clearly designed to look like a stereotypical suitcase bomb like you would see in the movies. Anyone looking at it would immediately see that that's what it was supposed to be. If it was a prop appearing in the school play, there would be absolutely no audience confusion as to what it was supposed to be. There is also no way that it's just a coincidence that his father is a perpetual candidate for President of Sudan.

What it all means, I don't know. Why the would-be President of Sudan wanted to have his son bring a clearly suspicious object -- intentionally suspicious, designed to be look suspicious and dangerous -- I do not know. But there's clearly something else going on here, I just can't make all the connections.

Short version: I condemn the school and the state for their actions in this. Of course. At the same time I also do not lionize Ahmed Mohamed and Mohamed Mohamed. Ahmed did nothing brave or heroic or even intelligent, and I personally doubt he even disassembled and re-configured the clock into the fake bomb, Mohamed probably did. The Mohamed family is clearly up to something, or somebody is anyway. As investigative journalism is not exactly strong these days, we may never know what.

I do not agree with this summary.

My POV:

1. The kid was playing around with tech junk at home, like many 14 yr olds.

2. He managed something he thought was cool and brought it to show his teacher.

3. The teacher thought "meh" but didn't hurt the kid's feelings- just told him to put it up. (VERY IMPORTANT- if the teacher thought it looked like a bomb, he would have taken it and called authorities, immediately.)

4. Kid puts the pencil box in his bookbag, goes to English class; alarm goes off. Teacher takes the box and authorities are called. Kid is now in trouble.

5. Police keep questioning kid; tell him they "knew it was him", take him away in handcuffs- UNLAWFULLY, w/o any notice to parents.

6. Parents come as soon as notified and take picture of son in handcuffs.

7. When the story hits the MSM a big deal is made out of the clock not being a clock, the kid being Muslim, and his father's ties with Sudan and then everyone claims it had to be a setup and that the kid is an ignoramus, ignoring how the kid was treated, that his tech teacher hadn't taken the device- which should have happened if there was a real threat- and that it is all a publicity stunt.

I see no benefit out of any stunt like this- the kid could have been killed by the police. It looks to me like the whole "official" story is based on the family being Muslim.

JMHPOV.

[erowe1]

For those who claim this thing was deliberately made to look like a bomb, where is the part of it that is made to look like any kind of explosive material? All I see are the clock parts.

From the outside, it looks like a pencil case, not a bomb. And then when you look inside, it's obviously not a bomb, because there's nothing in it other than all the clock parts.

The only possible way to say it looks like any kind of a bomb is to say that it looks like a bomb that has a clock connected to it, except without the bomb. Of course, this can be said of every single clock in the world.

[timosman]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CPTaEsgWgAAiyGb.jpg

[erowe1]

Right, he said he "invented" a clock. The narative you are supporting is that he's a very intelligent kid (maybe he is) that invented/built/created/ something.


I don't know where you're getting any of that. But it's not from anything I said.

[erowe1]

At the same time I also do not lionize Ahmed Mohamed and Mohamed Mohamed. Ahmed did nothing brave or heroic or even intelligent, and I personally doubt he even disassembled and re-configured the clock into the fake bomb, Mohamed probably did. The Mohamed family is clearly up to something, or somebody is anyway. As investigative journalism is not exactly strong these days, we may never know what.

But again, take this scenario. This is even more reason to praise this good deed by both son and father than inventing a clock would be. If they actually planned it like this, and it played out the way it already has, then that really was brave, heroic, and intelligent, even positively brilliantly shrewd. And all of America owes them a debt of gratitude for it, especially libertarians.

[puppetmaster]

Not a briefcase but a pencil case. Pretty small thing really.

The "suitcase" measures 8.25 inches by 5.5 inches by 2.5 inches on the outside. How big of a bomb could you hide in one of those? (the clock took up about half that space): http://www.amazon.com/Vaultz-Locking-Pencil-Inches-VZ01479/dp/B001BXZ28K

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51zVIc64naL.jpg


http://www.wired.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/AP_250782557912-582x462.jpg I could level a house with that case and c4

[erowe1]

I could level a house with that case and c4

Isn't "and C4" a pretty important part of that sentence?

[cajuncocoa]

I could level a house with that case and c4
reported.

[Dr.3D]

I'm pretty sure the FBI would supply the C4... but it would actually be modeling clay.

[Ender]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CPTaEsgWgAAiyGb.jpg

Glad to see you praying for yourself. ;)

[twomp]

I could level a house with that case and c4

How about uranium or plutonium? What if you had that? What else could you do? If you were to build a fake bomb, would you put fake c4 in it as well? I mean if the plan is to make it a fake, might as well do it right.

[erowe1]

How about uranium or plutonium? What if you had that? What else could you do? If you were to build a fake bomb, would you put fake c4 in it as well? I mean if the plan is to make it a fake, might as well do it right.

Without something included in it that was supposed to resemble something explosive, I don't see why so many people think it was meant to look like a bomb.

[Zippyjuan]

The entire thing was overblown and is still being overblown. It should never have ended up with the kid arrested in the first place for bringing a clock to school. Now some are trying to make it seem like he really was some sort of terrorist. His dad isn't one either. (Yes he ran for president of Sudan but his name didn't even appear on the ballot- we have some 500 of those every election here in the US as well). http://www.vox.com/2015/9/16/9339063/ahmed-mohamed-elhassan


Neither he nor his party actually appeared on the ballot. But Mohamed ran again in 2015, promising to negotiate lifting the sanctions on Sudan, ratify human rights treaties, and repeal laws against converting from Islam.

[helmuth_hubener]

I do not agree with this summary. That's great! Disagreement is the spice of life. However, there is only one of your points which factually contradicts what I said. That is:


3. The teacher thought "meh" but didn't hurt the kid's feelings- just told him to put it up. (VERY IMPORTANT- if the teacher thought it looked like a bomb, he would have taken it and called authorities, immediately.) There were, in fact, two teachers (if I understand correctly). The first teacher, the tech ed teacher, most obviously and certainly did think it looked like a bomb, but also had at least the small modicum of technical understanding to see that it was of course not a bomb.

So, "VERY IMPORTANT": the teacher did think it looked like a bomb. Obviously. Why do you think he told Ahmed not to show it to all his dimwit colleagues? Hello? Everyone most obviously and certainly thinks it looks like the stereotypical suitcase bomb. Because it does.


For those who claim this thing was deliberately made to look like a bomb, where is the part of it that is made to look like any kind of explosive material? All I see are the clock parts. erowe, have you seriously never seen any movies? I mean, I am not a huge movie person. But come on. Let's not play dumb.

By the way, can you tell us what explosive material looks like? Do you know that? Almost certainly you don't -- except for what you've seen in shows or movies. So how are you qualified to say whether there's explosive material there or not? Are you an explosive technician now? See, this is me playing dumb, like you. It's annoying, huh?

Everyone with any exposure to American culture would be able to identify it as trying to look like a timed bomb. You do think it looks like a fake bomb. I think it looks like a fake bomb. Everyone thinks it looks like a fake bomb.

Now, nothing wrong with a fake bomb, really. It doesn't hurt anyone. It's just a prop.

[helmuth_hubener]

But again, take this scenario. This is even more reason to praise this good deed by both son and father than inventing a clock would be. If they actually planned it like this, and it played out the way it already has, then that really was brave, heroic, and intelligent, even positively brilliantly shrewd. And all of America owes them a debt of gratitude for it, especially libertarians.

For exposing the stupidity of the state school "teachers" and the insanity of zero tolerance? Yes, that's great. That would be nice of them. It seems like a very far-fetched idea, though.

[erowe1]

erowe, have you seriously never seen any movies? I mean, I am not a huge movie person. But come on. Let's not play dumb.

Yes. What specific movies do you have in mind?



By the way, can you tell us what explosive material looks like?
I can tell you what some explosive material looks like. But you don't even need to know what any specific explosive material looks like to know that a bomb, in order to be a bomb, has to have something in it that can explode. This clock in a box doesn't have any item at all that could even be a candidate for that. Does it? Correct me if I'm wrong.


So how are you qualified to say whether there's explosive material there or not?
Now you're the one playing dumb. It's obvious that there is nothing in there besides clock parts and air. Which of those two things is supposed to be explosive? The clock parts? Or the air?

Seriously, it's pretty ridiculous to say that this is a fake bomb when there's nothing in it that could conceivably be mistaken for something that could explode. It doesn't take an explosive technician to see that.


Everyone thinks it looks like a fake bomb.


I doubt that anybody honestly thinks that, especially when the kid specifically and truthfully said exactly what it was. To anyone who does, I ask again, where is the part that's supposed to explode? Bombs have to have those. If you look at it's when it's closed, it just looks like a pencil box. And then if you open it, and all you see in it is clock parts, by then you know for sure it's not a bomb.

[Zippyjuan]

Quote Originally Posted by helmuth_hubener View Post
So how are you qualified to say whether there's explosive material there or not?

It's magic explosives. The invisible kind. Only if you truely, truely believe, then you can see it.

[Ender]

That's great! Disagreement is the spice of life. However, there is only one of your points which factually contradicts what I said. That is:

There were, in fact, two teachers (if I understand correctly). The first teacher, the tech ed teacher, most obviously and certainly did think it looked like a bomb, but also had at least the small modicum of technical understanding to see that it was of course not a bomb.

So, "VERY IMPORTANT": the teacher did think it looked like a bomb. Obviously. Why do you think he told Ahmed not to show it to all his dimwit colleagues? Hello? Everyone most obviously and certainly thinks it looks like the stereotypical suitcase bomb. Because it does.
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So, "VERY IMPORTANT": IF the teacher DID think it looked like a bomb, why didn't he take it? Or at least warn the kid with more than "don't show it around'?

Makes absolutely NO SENSE.

[erowe1]

For exposing the stupidity of the state school "teachers" and the insanity of zero tolerance? Yes, that's great. That would be nice of them. It seems like a very far-fetched idea, though.

There are only two possibilities: 1) it was an innocent mistake; 2) it was a hoax designed to expose the school's zero-tolerance policy.

In the former case, Ahmed is an innocent victim. In the latter, he is a hero.

[Valli6]

So, "VERY IMPORTANT": IF the teacher DID think it looked like a bomb, why didn't he take it? Or at least warn the kid with more than "don't show it around'?
Makes absolutely NO SENSE.
Because although the engineering teacher knew it was not a real bomb, he also knew that the average person would be likely to assume it was a bomb, which might lead to a huge misunderstanding.

[TheCount]

Because although the engineering teacher knew it was not a real bomb, he also knew that the average person would be likely to assume it was a bomb, which might lead to a huge misunderstanding.

And those other 'average people' who saw it thought it was a bomb? Did they act the way that an 'average person' would act if they discovered a bomb in the same room with them?

[Valli6]

There are only two possibilities: 1) it was an innocent mistake; 2) it was a hoax designed to expose the school's zero-tolerance policy.
In the former case, Ahmed is an innocent victim. In the latter, he is a hero.
Only those two possibilities? How about it was just a prank? He's 14 years old. Maybe he wanted to see if he could make his teacher(s) or friends or fellow students flip out over a fake bomb? Same reason someone leaves fake vomit or dog crap on the teacher's desk.

[Valli6]

And those other 'average people' who saw it thought it was a bomb? Did they act the way that an 'average person' would act if they discovered a bomb in the same room with them?
Yep. They saw something. They said something.

[TheCount]

They said something.

Did they say "oh shit that's a bomb, let's get the fuck out of here!" or was it more along the lines of "oh shit that's a bomb, let's stay right here in this room with it, and then take it - and the bomber - together to the principal's office, leaving the device, the perpetrator, and all of our students inside the building!"

I'm just wondering about what an average person would do.

[erowe1]

Did they say "oh shit that's a bomb, let's get the fuck out of here!" or was it more along the lines of "oh shit that's a bomb, let's stay right here in this room with it, and then take it - and the bomber - together to the principal's office, leaving the device, the perpetrator, and all of our students inside the building!"

I'm just wondering about what an average person would do.

Yeah, they obviously knew that it wasn't a bomb before even calling the police. If they had the slightest suspicion that it was, they would have evacuated the school and the police would have sent a bomb squad.

The mindset behind the arrest of this kid is completely the same as all those other idiotic zero-tolerance punishments that others have mentioned.

[timosman]

Did they say "oh shit that's a bomb, let's get the fuck out of here!" or was it more along the lines of "oh shit that's a bomb, let's stay right here in this room with it, and then take it - and the bomber - together to the principal's office, leaving the device, the perpetrator, and all of our students inside the building!"

Yes.

[Valli6]

Did they say "oh shit that's a bomb, let's get the fuck out of here!" or was it more along the lines of "oh shit that's a bomb, let's stay right here in this room with it, and then take it - and the bomber - together to the principal's office, leaving the device, the perpetrator, and all of our students inside the building!"
I'm just wondering about what an average person would do.
They don't have to have believed it was a bomb, only that it looked enough like one to be suspicious. That's the "logic" of zero tolerance policies. And please don't go assuming I support zero tolerance policies, just because I'm pointing out that schools do.

[FunkBuddha]

For those who claim this thing was deliberately made to look like a bomb, where is the part of it that is made to look like any kind of explosive material? All I see are the clock parts.

Ding! Ding! Ding! Those were my first thoughts when I saw the picture. The root of the problem here is that people watch too much fucking TV and don't have any common sense. I made lots of bombs and other improvised munitions when I was his age and not one of them had a digital clock attached to it. Now, a few of them did have analog clocks on them but the clocks were attached to STICKS OF DYNAMITE because, you see, clocks by themselves DON'T FUCKING EXPLODE!

Sorry for the expletives.

[erowe1]

That's the "logic" of zero tolerance policies. And please don't go assuming I support zero tolerance policies, just because I'm pointing out that schools do.

So, just to be clear, you don't support zero tolerance policies?

[helmuth_hubener]

Whatever, Erowe. Clearly you are determined to pretend to not be able to see the other side of the issue. For whatever reason. But I can see both sides.

I already told you that you are right about being skeptical of the actions of the school.

I am simply saying that there also seems to be something fishy about this whole thing, something that doesn't quite add up.

Have a great night. :)

[alucard13mm]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7_0NoRHOEM

[timosman]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0DQ1Fv8Ej4

[Chester Copperpot]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0DQ1Fv8Ej4

he builds CPUs?? who the fuck does this kid think he is, Chuck Peddle of MOS making the 6502?

[freejack]

he builds CPUs?? who the fuck does this kid think he is, Chuck Peddle of MOS making the 6502?

Nah he's just following in the footsteps of his hero:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IejjnZYvMF8

[Batman]

Lol. I'd be surprised if any of the haters in this thread can build anything more sophisticated than a jenga tower. What else are they trying to compensate for?

[Dr.3D]

Lol. I'd be surprised if any of the haters in this thread can build anything more sophisticated than a jenga tower. What else are they trying to compensate for?
Get it through your head, the kid didn't build anything! He took apart a clock that was already built and put the guts of the clock in a pencil case.

It's much like if I tore the cover off of a book and then putt a new cover on the book and claimed I wrote it.

[Batman]

Get it through your head, the kid didn't build anything! He took apart a clock that was already built and put the guts of the clock in a pencil case.

It's much like if I tore the cover off of a book and then putt a new cover on the book and claimed I wrote it.

You have no proof of that. All I see is a bunch of career lawyers and journalists saying "it's possible..."

Yeah right. I'd like to see them just do what they're accusing the kid of doing - dismantle and subsequent reassembly. That of itself is no simple task.

[enhanced_deficit]

If Obama has met the kid, why photos of their meeting have not been leaked to press?

Obama Meets Ahmed

http://www.nigerianscoop.com/2015/09/obama-meets-14-year-old-ahmed-mohamed.html

[limequat]

I've heard people refer to desktop computer cases as "CPUs". Would be totally feasible to build up ur own computer in that sense. Doesn't explain the "solder"ing though. If you have to solder your desktop together, you're doing it wrong.

[Dr.3D]

You have no proof of that. All I see is a bunch of career lawyers and journalists saying "it's possible..."

Yeah right. I'd like to see them just do what they're accusing the kid of doing - dismantle and subsequent reassembly. That of itself is no simple task.
Oh come on, we even know what model of Micronta (Radio Shack) clock he took the guts out of.

[Dr.3D]

Yeah right. I'd like to see them just do what they're accusing the kid of doing - dismantle and subsequent reassembly. That of itself is no simple task.
Here ya go bud....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1adJIqXtl4

[RonPaulMall]

The mindset behind the arrest of this kid is completely the same as all those other idiotic zero-tolerance punishments that others have mentioned.

Actually it is not. They called the police not because they thought it was a bomb, but because he brought something to school that he had hoped would be mistaken for a bomb. It is the same reason schools quite often call the police on kids that set off fire alarms or call bomb threats in- the school feels it is an offense serious enough that they want to screw the kid over above and beyond what schools themselves are allowed to mesh out. This is nothing new. I went to school long before "zero tolerance" and schools were reacting the same way when kids pulled stunts like this.

[Batman]

Oh come on, we even know what model of Micronta (Radio Shack) clock he took the guts out of.

It's very telling that the pundits are accusing him of not building the clock. They can't prove a negative so they won't even try. The accusation stands alone for the sole purpose of subterfuge. It's beyond obvious that this youngster has a perclivity for technology. Yet it's still a hotly debated topic on these forums almost a month after the incident. We're falling right into the Limbaugh playbook of alienate the brown kid and turn him into an enemy before he's even politically aware. That's a self-fulfilling prophecy. You want to know why minorities keep rejecting us, it's because we reject them before they even had a chance to be heard. We had a golden opportunity to point out the overprotective nanny state in the school system here and I'm shocked we're taking the Limbaugh position here.

[timosman]

It's very telling that the pundits are accusing him of not building the clock. They can't prove a negative so they won't even try. The accusation stands alone for the sole purpose of subterfuge. It's beyond obvious that this youngster has a perclivity for technology. Yet it's still a hotly debated topic on these forums almost a month after the incident. We're falling right into the Limbaugh playbook of alienate the brown kid and turn him into an enemy before he's even politically aware. That's a self-fulfilling prophecy. You want to know why minorities keep rejecting us, it's because we reject them before they even had a chance to be heard. We had a golden opportunity to point out the overprotective nanny state in the school system here and I'm shocked we're taking the Limbaugh position here.

I am guessing you have never built nor soldered a CPU in your entire life ? :rolleyes:

[Batman]

I build/built a number of different things. Processors are probably my least favorite things to build. I can't say it's particularly exciting.

[Dr.3D]

I build/built a number of different things. Processors are probably my least favorite things to build. I can't say it's particularly exciting.
You must have one heck of a lab. I can't build a processor as it's an integrated circuit chip and I don't have the facilities to make chips. As for soldering a CPU... they are usually in sockets so they won't be ruined from the heat of soldering and can easily be removed from the board without de-soldering and the heat involved with that.

[Danke]

I build/built a number of different things. Processors are probably my least favorite things to build. I can't say it's particularly exciting.

Ok, now I know you're trolling this tread.

[RonPaulIsGreat]

Ahmed is apparently in the Special class at school. He builds CPU's and solders them, lol.

Wow... and he's going to MIT.... on a full ride scholarship..... WTF. The kids dumb as a rock. Seriously, I took apart and put back together vcr's when I was his age. Where is my MIT scholarship, I did far more than Ahmed, I even adjusted the tape head!

[OReich]

Ahmed is apparently in the Special class at school. He builds CPU's and solders them, lol.

Wow... and he's going to MIT.... on a full ride scholarship..... WTF. The kids dumb as a rock. Seriously, I took apart and put back together vcr's when I was his age. Where is my MIT scholarship, I did far more than Ahmed, I even adjusted the tape head!

Build a water gun that looks like a machine gun and yell "Allahu Ahkbar!" Ppl will love it, you'll get your full ride to any school of your choice.

[CPUd]

You must have one heck of a lab. I can't build a processor as it's an integrated circuit chip and I don't have the facilities to make chips. As for soldering a CPU... they are usually in sockets so they won't be ruined from the heat of soldering and can easily be removed from the board without de-soldering and the heat involved with that.

If what he's calling a CPU is equivalent to what we had in the 60's and 70's, I could buy the story of a kid putting something like that together, especially with a kit.

http://i.imgur.com/4FZKpcD.jpg


But it is quite possible to drive a person insane:
http://i.imgur.com/KrAxeT9.jpg

[Dr.3D]

If what he's calling a CPU is equivalent to what we had in the 60's and 70's, I could buy the story of a kid putting something like that together, especially with a kit.

http://i.imgur.com/4FZKpcD.jpg


But it is quite possible to drive a person insane:
http://i.imgur.com/KrAxeT9.jpg
Heck, that's wire-wrap and it's still not soldered.

In the 60's, we had a rough time just putting together a transistor radio kit.

[Batman]

Ahmed is apparently in the Special class at school. He builds CPU's and solders them, lol.

Wow... and he's going to MIT.... on a full ride scholarship..... WTF. The kids dumb as a rock. Seriously, I took apart and put back together vcr's when I was his age. Where is my MIT scholarship, I did far more than Ahmed, I even adjusted the tape head!

I'm going to be watching his career pretty closely. He's just the kind of kid I'd hire.

[Danke]

I'm going to be watching his career pretty closely. He's just the kind of kid I'd hire.

Of course, because you make processors, right?

[Batman]

Ok, now I know you're trolling this tread.

Possibly. But as far as trolls go, I'm outnumbered in this thread. Oh well I'll just wait to see the exit poll demographics in November next year.

It doesn't look like the leave me alone coalition can leave this kid alone.

[Danke]

Possibly. But as far as trolls go, I'm outnumbered in this thread. Oh well I'll just wait to see the exit poll demographics in November next year.

It doesn't look like the leave me alone coalition can leave this kid alone.

I think everyone would leave him alone if he and his family didn't constantly seek attention.

[JohnCollins]

The guy apparently solders together CPUs. He's full of shit.

[alucard13mm]

Looks like this kid just learn how to be a minority and to cause a commotion for attention lol

[tasteless]

Ok, now I know you're trolling this tread.

He's not (necessarily) trolling. You can build simple CPUs from discrete components


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xISG4nGTQYE

[RonPaulIsGreat]

He's not (necessarily) trolling. You can build simple CPUs from discrete components


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xISG4nGTQYE

I'll eat a can of dog food if little ahmed made a real processor.

[Valli6]

You contradict yourself. Is this about the nanny state, or is it about racism?

It's very telling that the pundits are accusing him of not building the clock. They can't prove a negative so they won't even try. The accusation stands alone for the sole purpose of subterfuge. It's beyond obvious that this youngster has a perclivity for technology. Yet it's still a hotly debated topic on these forums almost a month after the incident. We're falling right into the Limbaugh playbook of alienate the brown kid and turn him into an enemy before he's even politically aware. That's a self-fulfilling prophecy. You want to know why minorities keep rejecting us, it's because we reject them before they even had a chance to be heard. We had a golden opportunity to point out the overprotective nanny state in the school system here and I'm shocked we're taking the Limbaugh position here.
On one hand, you indicate that you understand that the problem here is “the overprotective nanny state in the school system”. I agree, since Amed was obviously arrested because of zero-tolerance policies. The public needs to be made aware of the failures of zero-tolerance policies and how they affect people, but the media refuses to cover it.

On the other hand, you can’t refrain from bringing up the kid’s “brownness”… “alienating the brown kid” and “minorities keep rejecting us… because we reject them before they even had a chance to be heard”.

You expect proof (beyond the photos and video which illustrate it) that Amed did not make a “clock”, before you will doubt him - but where is your proof that Amed’s brownness had anything at all to do with the situation? I think you automatically jumped to that conclusion the second you became aware that he had darker skin and was muslim. Because of his ethnicity, you assume racism is the only possible explanation. Yet there are plenty of cases of white kids who’ve been arrested and/or suspended/expelled over much lesser offenses involving fake bombs or allusions to bombs. (i.e. Fart jokes, prop bombs, drawing a cartoon bomb - google it).

You’re correct that we missed a golden opportunity to publicly address the failures of zero tolerance policies, and it’s because people like you insist on obscuring the real, and addressable issue (in this case, zero tolerance policies), with your need to accuse others of racism whenever some minority is involved. Does accusing others of being “haters” make you feel better about yourself?

Ahmed is nothing but a prankster. He was NOT sent to the principal for having a bomb! This should be obvious because the school was not evacuated. He was sent to the principal for disrupting class - like so many other kids his age. This is a case of the simplest answer being the most likely one.

I find it racist that the kid’s ethnicity has made some people blind to the obvious - that a 14-year old got in trouble for pulling a prank.

[erowe1]

I'll eat a can of dog food if little ahmed made a real processor.

It could be something like this:
http://www.elenco.com/search/searchdetails/micromasterampregcomputertrainingkit=MjYw

[timosman]

It could be something like this:
http://www.elenco.com/search/searchdetails/micromasterampregcomputertrainingkit=MjYw

http://burls.org/AJEB/article/33c113d0.jpg

[erowe1]

http://burls.org/AJEB/article/33c113d0.jpg

Well I don't really get why this kid needs to get put through the wringer. Who knows how smart he really is or isn't. There's nothing abnormal about a curious kid playing around with electronics. And there's nothing abnormal about one who does that romanticizing that what he's done is a bigger deal than it really is. The only reason he's being scrutinized is because he was foisted into the news by the school and police doing something they shouldn't have done. And like I've said all along, if he or his dad actually planned for that, then kudos to them for it.

[Danke]

DALLAS (Reuters) - The family of a Texas teenager, arrested for bringing a homemade clock to school that was mistaken for a bomb, demanded $15 million in damages and an apology from the city of Irving and its schools to avoid a lawsuit, lawyers said on Monday.

The lawyers represent the family of Ahmed Mohamed, 14, a Muslim student who dabbles in robotics and attended a Dallas-area high school. His arrest in September sparked controversy, with many saying he was taken into custody because of his religion.

In separate letters to the city of Irving, located west of Dallas, and the Irving Independent School District, lawyers said the ninth grader was wrongfully arrested, illegally detained and questioned without his parents.

The Mohamed family is asking for $10 million from the city and $5 million from the school district or they will file civil lawsuits within 60 days, the letter said.

"Understandably, Mr. Mohamed was furious at the treatment of his son – and at the rancid, openly discriminatory intent that motivated it," attorneys said in one of the letters.

City and school district officials were not immediately available for comment.

The boy's family said in October that they would be moving to Qatar and he had accepted an offer from the Qatar Foundation to study at its Young Innovators Program. The announcement came a few hours after he was at the White House for an astronomy night hosted by President Barack Obama.

Ahmed won support from Obama and other major U.S. figures, including Facebook Chief Executive Mark Zuckerberg, who said "having the skill and ambition to build something cool should lead to applause, not arrest."

The family, now living in Doha, has also traveled the globe to meet foreign dignitaries.

Sudanese state radio reported that his father took him to meet Sudanese President Omar al-Bashir. The Sudanese leader is accused by the International Criminal Court of masterminding genocide, crimes against humanity and war crimes during Sudan's Darfur conflict.

Despite several television appearances and worldwide travel, the Mohamed family insists the attention actually ruined their lives and eventually drove them out of the country, lawyers said.

[Ender]

Well I don't really get why this kid needs to get put through the wringer. Who knows how smart he really is or isn't. There's nothing abnormal about a curious kid playing around with electronics. And there's nothing abnormal about one who does that romanticizing that what he's done is a bigger deal than it really is. The only reason he's being scrutinized is because he was foisted into the news by the school and police doing something they shouldn't have done. And like I've said all along, if he or his dad actually planned for that, then kudos to them for it.

Agree.

[Danke]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFzM4BBgTfQ&feature=youtu.be

[helmuth_hubener]

The only reason he's being scrutinized is because he was foisted into the news by the school and police doing something they shouldn't have done. No, not the only reason. The real reason: he's an Arab and a Muslim. Self-hating whites are drawn to any alleged sob story about minority outsiders being mistreated like moths to a flame.

Racism!

Don't play dumb, everyone knows that's why this story became and remains a top-billing item.

[helmuth_hubener]

Good thing we have such great, all-American lads like Ahmed to courageously innovate and experiment, and such dedicated anti-racists like erowe to valiantly protect him from any criticism. Woohoo, round of applause!

[erowe1]

No, not the only reason. The real reason: he's an Arab and a Muslim. Self-hating whites are drawn to any alleged sob story about minority outsiders being mistreated like moths to a flame.

Racism!

Don't play dumb, everyone knows that's why this story became and remains a top-billing item.

Explain how that happens without this kid having gotten arrested.

And while you're at it, explain how it's self-hatred for a white to oppose racism. Is being racist a duty white have to their race or something?

[helmuth_hubener]

Explain how...

And while you're at it, explain how...
I shall not explain anything to you. No one on this board shall ever explain anything to you. You already know everything. Attempting tautologically impossible feats is not a good use of my time.

[Danke]

Ahmed “Clock Kid” Mohamed Says he’s Homesick and Wants to Come Back to Texas

Ahmed “Clock Kid” Mohamed recently moved from the U.S. to Qatar after his “traumatic” experience with his little digital clock — the one that looked exactly like a bomb — but it seems all is not well in Islamic paradise.

Apparently the boy is homesick and wants to move back to Texas.

That didn’t take long.

From Breitbart:


Within days of demanding a total of $15 million from the City of Irving and the Irving Independent School District, “Clock Boy” Ahmed Mohamed announced in a long distance phone interview from Qatar, he is homesick and wants to come home to Texas now.

In October, Ahmed accepted a fully-funded education scholarship from the Qatar Foundation, an organization with reputed ties to the Muslim Brotherhood, over an invitation to MIT, which is among the most prestigious institutions of higher learning in the world. The family announced they would relocate to Qatar to accommodate his education, which they did.

Dallas’ KTVT 11 (CBS) interviewed the teen from halfway around the world over Facetime. Now, Ahmed claims he misses Texas. “I want to go back to a place where everyone knows me,” meaning the kids he grew up with. He also hinted a trip to Dallas may be in the works over the Christmas holiday. He told the CBS affiliate he is ready to come home and wants to do so immediately, but insists last week’s armed yet peaceful protest outside the Irving mosque stopped him.

Ahmed told the TV news outlet: “I was scared because I’ve heard what happened recently with, like, people with guns going to my local mosque,” adding: “…I mean, they have the right to do that but it’s scary because I’m afraid, you know.”
The grass is always greener on the other side, isn’t it?


Mohamed and his family must be missing the freedom they enjoyed and took for granted over here, but hey, they’re the ones who decided to make a spectacle of themselves for the sake of fame and fortune, so I don’t really feel sorry for them.

Personally, I feel like his family made a choice when they left, and they should totally lie down in the bed they made. Choices have consequences, and there isn’t always an easy way out.

This seems to be a difficult lesson for these folks to learn.

http://www.youngcons.com/ahmed-clock-kid-mohamed-says-hes-homesick-and-wants-to-come-back-to-texas/

[Ender]

No, not the only reason. The real reason: he's an Arab and a Muslim. Self-hating whites are drawn to any alleged sob story about minority outsiders being mistreated like moths to a flame.

Racism!

Don't play dumb, everyone knows that's why this story became and remains a top-billing item.

Who's dumb?

It became a major story because haters could not stop talking about this kid and his non-invention and that he's a Muslim. Read this damned thread- it's YOU and your hatin' buddies that keep this story going and going and going, ad nauseam. It still hasn't stopped. :rolleyes:

[helmuth_hubener]

Who's dumb?

It became a major story because... he's a Muslim.
That does not contradict my statement, which was, for review:


The real reason: he's an Arab and a Muslim.

It cuts both ways! The reason it's a story is his race and religion, for both the right and the left. The conservatives predictably take the side of law and order, and the leftists predictably take the side of the "little guy," calling out the right for their racism. Or, from the perspective of the other side, the conservatives spew their hateful hatred like the xenophobic haters that they are, and the leftists abandon and attack any semblance of common sense, calling reasonable people who don't want their school bombed "racist".

Me, I think the whole thing is a scam: there's something fishy about the kid and his family. Conservatives can tolerate that point of view, because they are more tolerant. Leftists, being the intolerant zealots that they are, read that and just lump me in as an evil hateful racist, too. Everyone who disagrees with them in the slightest is a racist. If you are not taking the side of the minority in every single news story, you are a racist. End of story.

[timosman]

http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2016/06/28/clock-boy-returns-clock-boy-ahmed-returns-just-couldnt-stay-away-texas/


28 Jun 2016

http://media.breitbart.com/media/2015/09/ap_ahmed-mohamed_ap-photo1-wi-420x2951-640x480.jpg

“Clock Boy” Ahmed returned to the United States late Monday afternoon, June 27, landing at the Dallas-Fort Worth International Airport. Breitbart Texas reported the “homesick” teenager just couldn’t stay away from Texas. Ahmed, his parents, and siblings walked into the airport terminal greeted by a crowd of family and a hoard of TV news crews.
KDFW 4 (Fox) reported the Mohamed family “alerted” the TV news outlet to the teen’s return. His grandmother flew in from the Sudan for this homecoming, according to the local Fox affiliate.

The teen and his family have been living in Qatar for the past nine months where he accepted a fully-funded education scholarship from the Qatar Foundation. Monday, Ahmed told reporters he came back for a summer internship with Twitter.

Ahmed also said Facebook, NASA, and even, MIT, the prestigious university he nixed in favor of attending the Qatari school, contacted him over social media, asking him to visit while he is stateside this summer.
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He told KDFW 4 there is a 50/50 chance he will finish high school in the U.S. and not Qatar. However, the Dallas Morning News reported the teen plans to return to Qatar to finish high school and attending an American college remains a possibility. Conversely, KDFW 4 reported the teen said he definitely wants to go to a U.S. college.

“School was amazing over there,” the teen explained to the Dallas newspaper. Regardless of where he studies, he says his interests are coding, engineering and technology.

“It’s beautiful to be here in U.S.A,” added Ahmed’s father, Mohamed Elhassan Mohamed, who also spoke to news media. He told KDFW 4: “It is our home and it is our country and we love it.”

The patriotic sounding Mohamed patriarch, however, posted a controversial photo last September of the World Trade Center’s Twin Towers enveloped in smoke during the heinous 2001 terrorist attacks on his Sudanese National Reform party page, which Breitbart Texas reported. This post sourced to the Sudanese Military Establishment and asserted a truther philosophy that 9/11 was an inside job, calling these “so-called” events a “rumor.”

In October, the elder Mohamed, shared another 9/11 “truther” Facebook post in Arabic, musing the clock incident would lead to spreading Islam in America, as Breitbart Texas reported. This post contained troubling translated statements that furthered 9/11 conspiracy theories. Mohamed also claimed Islamophobia at the core of his son’s clock making troubles last year, something he appeared to dance around when speaking to reporters at DFW Airport Monday.

Mohamed Elhassan Mohamed said: “As you see, if there is something wrong, America will stand for it and that is what happened. Something was happening to my son. Everybody has a heart, has children, Something is wrong, so they stood for it,” according to the local Fox affiliate.

The teen told reporters he intends to make spending time with friends and family his first priority.

“Ahmed and his family have missed his grandmother, his aunts, uncles, cousins and friends here in Irving and across North Texas very much,” Uncle Aldean Mohamed said. “Ahmed and his nuclear family miss America and their whole family here in America very much.”
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The uncle reconfirmed for KDFW 4 that the family still plans to sue for a total of $15 million — $10 million from the City of Irving and $5 million from the school district. In a 10-page demand letter to the City of Irving attorney and a similar 9-page letter to Irving Independent School District attorney last November, the family claimed “Islamophobia” among their clock related incident allegations.

Ahmed Mohamed skyrocketed to fame after bringing into MacArthur High School a homemade digital clock-in-a-box that resembled a “hoax bomb.” School officials and police initially detained him based on zero tolerance policies but no charges were ever filed once the situation sorted itself out. Ahmed got three days of out-of-school (OSS) suspension because of the school district’s Student Code of Conduct, which is based on the state’s 1995 Safe Schools Act and Chapter 37 of the Texas Education Code. It addresses threats, hoaxes, and perceived or discretionary threats and their harsh consequences. Still, progressive media propped him up as the Islamophobia poster child.