Ahmed Mohamed’s Clock Was “Half a Bomb,” Says Anti-Muslim Group With Ties to Trump, Cruz - Lee

[Rad]

https://theintercept.com/2015/09/18/prominent-anti-muslim-group-says-ahmed-mohameds-clock-resembles-ied-trigger-produced-iranians/

[acptulsa]

So are their wristwatches. Throw the whole group in Gitmo.

Even if they don't wear wristwatches, jail 'em anyway. They all have cell phones. Those make even better triggers.

[enhanced_deficit]

Microsoft is not helping matters by giving the kid even more electronic equipment:

Here’s what Microsoft gave the teenager who was arrested for bringing a homemade clock to school (http://www.geekwire.com/2015/heres-what-microsoft-gave-the-teenager-who-was-arrested-for-bringing-a-homemade-clock-to-school/)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CPRiTo2VEAEnU7v.jpg



On a related note, not a fan of Trump but if Trump were anti-muslim (or anti-arab or racist), won't he have supported invasion of Iraq based on bogus claims?

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?482182-Father-of-clock-bomb-kid-who-got-a-White-House-invite-is-a-Sudanese-presidential-candidate&p=5994945&viewfull=1#post5994945
(http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?482182-Father-of-clock-bomb-kid-who-got-a-White-House-invite-is-a-Sudanese-presidential-candidate&p=5994945&viewfull=1#post5994945)





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(http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?482182-Father-of-clock-bomb-kid-who-got-a-White-House-invite-is-a-Sudanese-presidential-candidate&p=5994945&viewfull=1#post5994945)

[Dr.3D]

Clock looked like a kit to me. Somebody had to produce that printed circuit board and I doubt it was a kid.

If that clock can be considered to be "part of a bomb" then of course they must also consider a cell phone as being "part of a bomb", as I understand they were used to trigger IED's too.

[erowe1]

But Center for Security Policy vice president Jim Hanson argued on his organization’s podcast that the clock “looks exactly like a number of IED triggers that were produced by the Iranians and used to kill U.S. troops in the war in Iraq.” He said the clock “was half a bomb.”

Might that be because for trigger devices on IEDs they sometimes use clocks?

[phill4paul]

So are their wristwatches. Throw the whole group in Gitmo.

Even if they don't wear wristwatches, jail 'em anyway. They all have cell phones. Those make even better triggers.

Explains why cops are shooting people that brandish cell phones.

[MelissaWV]

If you are Wile E. Coyote, that's very true.

[Zippyjuan]

Explains why cops are shooting people that brandish cell phones.

Cell phones are much more likely to be used as triggers these days. Ban phones.

[cajuncocoa]

Clock looked like a kit to me. Somebody had to produce that printed circuit board and I doubt it was a kid.

If that clock can be considered to be "part of a bomb" then of course they must also consider a cell phone as being "part of a bomb", as I understand they were used to trigger IED's too.We're all terrorists now. Something every Ron Paul supporter has known for awhile.

[JK/SEA]

We're all terrorists now. Something every Ron Paul supporter has known for awhile.


i think i may as well turn myself in and confess everything....:rolleyes:

[kahless]

Sure sounds like this was planned. The kid should not be rewarded.

The Real Story of #IStandWithAhmed
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/09/18/real-story-istandwithahmed/



Ahmed brought a clock-in-a-case that looked like a hoax bomb to the uninformed school; his engineering teacher told him not to show it around; he showed it around; the police showed up, and he was allegedly uncooperative; they decided he was innocent and released him.


Ahmed’s father, as Pamela Geller points out, is an anti-Islamophobia media gadfly. He routinely returns to Sudan to run for president; he has debated anti-Koran Florida pastor Terry Jones, partially in order to bring his children to Disneyworld.


Nobody said Mohammed built an actual bomb. They suspected that he had wanted to frighten or alarm officials with a hoax-bomb. When they found out he didn’t intend to do that, they released him.

Given the limited evidence available, this is not far-fetched. Again, where was the engineering teacher to vouch for Mohammed’s story? Why didn’t Mohammed simply explain himself? The police said that initially, it was “not immediately evident” that the clock-in-a-case was a class experiment – perfectly plausible, given that Mohammed built the clock-in-a-case voluntarily, without assignment, and in conjunction with no science fair.



He said he took it to school on Monday to show an engineering teacher, who said it was nice but then told him he should not show the invention to other teachers. Later, Ahmed’s clock beeped during an English class, and after he revealed the device to the teacher, school officials notified the police, and Ahmed was interrogated by officers.

Why was the device in English class in the first place, especially after the engineering teacher told him not to show it around? When confronted by police and his English teacher, why didn’t Mohammed just tell them to talk to the engineering teacher? When police asked Ahmed what the device was and why he brought it to school, according to WFAA:

Officers said Ahmed was being “passive aggressive” in his answers to their questions, and didn’t have a “reasonable answer” as to what he was doing with the case. Investigators said the student told them that it was just a clock that he was messing around with. “We attempted to question the juvenile about what it was and he would simply only say it was a clock. He didn’t offer any explanation as to what it was for, why he created this device, why he brought it to school,” said James McLellan, Irving Police.



Chief Larry Boyd said simply and correctly, “You can’t take things like that to school” without explanation or assignment in today’s world without it receiving scrutiny.

[twomp]

Sure sounds like this was planned. The kid should not be rewarded.

The Real Story of #IStandWithAhmed
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/09/18/real-story-istandwithahmed/

WHEW! I'm glad the cops cleared all that up!

http://s15.postimg.org/ukspgz64b/image.jpg

[kahless]

WHEW! I'm glad the cops cleared all that up!

The kid brought a device that looked like a bomb to the uninformed, was not part of any assignment, had not previously brought in projects to school, was told not to show it, did it anyway, device went off in class and the kid was uncooperative when questioned. The police did their job, determined it was harmless and took no action.

There is no issue here other than the Islamic activist father using his son to make some headlines and Progressive clowns like you falling for it or condoning it as part of your agenda.

[twomp]

The kid brought a device that looked like a bomb to the uninformed, was not part of any assignment, had not previously brought in projects to school, was told not to show it, did it anyway, device went off in class and the kid was uncooperative when questioned. The police did their job, determined it was harmless and took no action.

There is no issue here other than the Islamic activist father using his son to make some headlines and Progressive clowns like you falling for it or condoning it as part of your agenda.

I don't worship the cops like you do and you claim that is progressive huh? Still delusional as usual....

[kahless]

My progressive agenda to is worship the cops like you do?

I do not worship cops, that is a stretch. I have been pretty vocal in these forums against police abuse and it was only a few hours ago I called out Walker for his comments about police.

Ahmed Mohamed Lied, Engineer Says, And Here's The Proof
http://www.inquisitr.com/2431102/ahmed-mohamed-lied-engineer-says-and-heres-the-proof/



Blogger “Anthony” of ArtVoice found a very similar-looking clock being sold on eBay. He explained further in the following passage.

“I found the highest resolution photograph of the clock I could [pictured above]. Instantly, I was disappointed. Somewhere in all of this — there has indeed been a hoax. Ahmed Mohamed didn’t invent his own alarm clock. He didn’t even build a clock…. For starters, one glance at the printed circuit board in the photo, and I knew we were looking at mid-to-late 1970s vintage electronics. Surely you’ve seen a modern circuit board, with metallic traces leading all over to the various components like an electronic spider’s web. You’ll notice right away the highly accurate spacing, straightness of the lines, consistency of the patterns. That’s because we design things on computers nowadays, and computers assist in routing these lines. Take a look at the board in Ahmed’s clock. It almost looks hand-drawn, right? That’s because it probably was. Computer aided design was in its infancy in the 70s. This is how simple, low cost items (like an alarm clock) were designed. Today, even a budding beginner is going to get some computer aided assistance – in fact they’ll probably start there, learning by simulating designs before building them. You can even simulate or lay out a board with free apps on your phone or tablet. A modern hobbyist usually wouldn’t be bothered with the outdated design techniques. There’s also silk screening on the board. An ‘M’ logo, ‘C-94’ (probably, a part number — C might even stand for ‘clock’), and what looks like an American flag…. a hobbyist wouldn’t silk screen logos and part numbers on their home made creation. It’s pretty safe to say already we’re looking at ’70s tech, mass produced in a factory.”

Also, as if that wasn’t “proof” enough that Ahmed Mohamed lied, the engineering blogger notes, this eBay listing shows that “Amhed’s clock was invented, and built, by Micronta, a Radio Shack subsidary. Catalog number 63 756.”

The engineer-blogger believes that what “might” have happened is Ahmed Mohamed, wanting to play a “silly prank” on his teacher, knew exactly how the clock would be perceived.

But what started as a silly prank became a rallying cry for agenda-driven media and self-righteous social media users looking for the latest thing to be outraged about.

[Ender]

Sure sounds like this was planned. The kid should not be rewarded.

The Real Story of #IStandWithAhmed
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/09/18/real-story-istandwithahmed/

That story is mostly BS- and with Pamela Geller adding her 2 cents in, anyone with 1/2 a brain knows it's gonna be anti-muslim.

The kid brought it to school.
Showed his engineering teacher.
Teacher told him to not show it around.
Kid put the PENCIL BOX containing his clock, in his book bag.
The alarm went off in English class.
The teacher kept it.
And then - see something, say something.

This is a 14 yr old kid, for pity sake- next time you are arrested, handcuffed, and scared out of your mind with police threats, let's see how "cooperative" YOU are- especially when the cops are trying to make you confess. :rolleyes:

[Cissy]

Sure sounds like this was planned. The kid should not be rewarded.

The Real Story of #IStandWithAhmed
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/09/18/real-story-istandwithahmed/

Maybe the kid didn't have time to put it in a locker between classes. Some schools only give kids three minutes to get from point a to point b.

If the school legitimately thought it was a bomb, they would have evacuated and called the bomb squad. "Part of a bomb" is ludicrous, a wristwatch, clock or cell phone could fall under that definition.

[kahless]

That story is mostly BS- and with Pamela Geller adding her 2 cents in, anyone with 1/2 a brain knows it's gonna be anti-muslim.

The kid brought it to school.
Showed his engineering teacher.
Teacher told him to not show it around.
Kid put the PENCIL BOX containing his clock, in his book bag.
The alarm went off in English class.
The teacher kept it.
And then - see something, say something.

This is a 14 yr old kid, for pity sake- next time you are arrested, handcuffed, and scared out of your mind with police threats, let's see how "cooperative" YOU are- especially when the cops are trying to make you confess. :rolleyes:

The kid could have told them to talk to the engineering teacher if that was not a lie and the teacher was covering for him after the fact. This was either a prank to scare the crap out of everyone that he actually had a bomb or the anti-Islamaphobe activist father put him up to it.

If it was the kids intention to scare the crap out of everyone like he actually had a bomb as a prank then he had it coming to have a little scare back.

[Cissy]

The kid could have told them to talk to the engineering teacher if that was not a lie and the teacher was covering for him after the fact. This was either a prank to scare the crap out of everyone that he actually had a bomb or the anti-Islamaphobe activist father put him up to it.

If it was the kids intention to scare the crap out of everyone like he actually had a bomb as a prank then he had it coming to have a little scare back.
If the kid didn't have a Muslim sounding name amd his wristwatch happened to go off in class, would he deserve a secret interrogation as well?

How many children do you believe deserving of secret police interrogations?

[kahless]

If the kid didn't have a Muslim sounding name amd his wristwatch happened to go off in class, would he deserve a secret interrogation as well?

How many children do you believe deserving of secret police interrogations?

Wristwatch????? We are not talking about a wrist watch but a device that looked like a bomb. Have you even bothered to look at the posts and articles posted here.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?482363-Ahmed-Mohamed%92s-Clock-Was-%93Half-a-Bomb-%94-Says-Anti-Muslim-Group-With-Ties-to-Trump-Cruz-Lee&p=5995240&viewfull=1#post5995240

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?482363-Ahmed-Mohamed%92s-Clock-Was-%93Half-a-Bomb-%94-Says-Anti-Muslim-Group-With-Ties-to-Trump-Cruz-Lee&p=5995267&viewfull=1#post5995267

Regardless this whole thing is a scam.

btw - I have no problem with profiling or interrogating Muslim students that bring in devices that look like a bomb. It is not unusual for Islamic terrorist groups to recruit and use children for bomb attacks.

[twomp]

Wristwatch????? We are not talking about a wrist watch but a device that looked like a bomb. Have you even bothered to look at the posts and articles posted here.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?482363-Ahmed-Mohamed%92s-Clock-Was-%93Half-a-Bomb-%94-Says-Anti-Muslim-Group-With-Ties-to-Trump-Cruz-Lee&p=5995240&viewfull=1#post5995240

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?482363-Ahmed-Mohamed%92s-Clock-Was-%93Half-a-Bomb-%94-Says-Anti-Muslim-Group-With-Ties-to-Trump-Cruz-Lee&p=5995267&viewfull=1#post5995267

Regardless this whole thing is a scam.

btw - I have no problem with profiling or interrogating Muslim students that bring in devices that look like a bomb. It is not unusual for Islamic terrorist groups to recruit and use children for bomb attacks.

Yeah, who gives a damn about the Constitution right? The cops are here to keep us safe! Because America, FK YEAH!

[juleswin]

Obviously I think the police overreacted but this boy is a bit out of touch with reality if he thinks there is nothing alarming with a person whose name is Ahmed Mohammad bringing to school what looks like a timer for an IED.

But what do I know? after all, it all worked out for him in a very big way. Maybe I should send out email poems in the form of Nigerian email scams and when someone arrests me for wire fraud, I would claim my obvious innocence for just writing a poem and then score some major computer equipment from Microsoft.

[cajuncocoa]

That story is mostly BS- and with Pamela Geller adding her 2 cents in, anyone with 1/2 a brain knows it's gonna be anti-muslim.

The kid brought it to school.
Showed his engineering teacher.
Teacher told him to not show it around.
Kid put the PENCIL BOX containing his clock, in his book bag.
The alarm went off in English class.
The teacher kept it.
And then - see something, say something.

This is a 14 yr old kid, for pity sake- next time you are arrested, handcuffed, and scared out of your mind with police threats, let's see how "cooperative" YOU are- especially when the cops are trying to make you confess. :rolleyes:
You're making too much sense, Ender.

[Cissy]

Wristwatch????? We are not talking about a wrist watch but a device that looked like a bomb. Have you even bothered to look at the posts and articles posted here.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?482363-Ahmed-Mohamed%92s-Clock-Was-%93Half-a-Bomb-%94-Says-Anti-Muslim-Group-With-Ties-to-Trump-Cruz-Lee&p=5995240&viewfull=1#post5995240

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?482363-Ahmed-Mohamed%92s-Clock-Was-%93Half-a-Bomb-%94-Says-Anti-Muslim-Group-With-Ties-to-Trump-Cruz-Lee&p=5995267&viewfull=1#post5995267

Regardless this whole thing is a scam.

btw - I have no problem with profiling or interrogating Muslim students that bring in devices that look like a bomb. It is not unusual for Islamic terrorist groups to recruit and use children for bomb attacks.

Ahh, so if his name was Billy Bob Johnson, he built the clock, showed it to his engineering teacher, and it happened to go off in English class, *then* you'd be outraged at the notion of children being forced to edure a secret police interrogation.

Or perhaps you're bold enough to acknowledge that you don't really mind secret police interrogations for any school child. What if a five year old brought it in for show and tell, as a project he and his beloved big brother were working on together?

How many cell phones, clocks and wrist watches should The State confiscate because they could all be used to comprise "part of a bomb"?

[kahless]

Ahh, so if his name was Billy Bob Johnson, he built the clock, showed it to his engineering teacher, and it happened to go off in English class, *then* you'd be outraged at the notion of children being forced to edure a secret police interrogation.

Or perhaps you're bold enough to acknowledge that you don't really mind secret police interrogations for any school child. What if a five year old brought it in for show and tell, as a project he and his beloved big brother were working on together?

How many cell phones, clocks and wrist watches should The State confiscate because they could all be used to comprise "part of a bomb"?

The Muslim kid did not build a clock. He took an existing clock and put it into a case that looked like a hoax bomb. There is a good chance the kid and activist parent knew exactly what they were doing and what the response would be.

His engineering teacher told him not to show anyone knowing what the response would be. The kid lets it go off in class anyway. This kid that is being spun as some sort of genius is suddenly too stupid to turn off the clock and not realize the ramifications of his actions. I am not buying it.

Further the kid was uncooperative. At that point the kid had to be questioned. Using children for bomb delivery in the Islamic world is pretty common. What is to say that cannot happen here. The Garland terrorist attack was only 30 minutes from this school

500 children kidnapped by ISIS are being brainwashed into becoming suicide bombers or child soldiers, Iraqi official reveals
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3107010/500-children-kidnapped-ISIS-brainwashed-suicide-bombers-child-soldiers-Iraqi-official-reveals.html#ixzz3mFO5OnUM

How ISIS Abducts, Recruits, and Trains Children -- NYMag
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2015/07/how-isis-abducts-recruits-and-trains-children.html

Iraq: Islamic State kidnap more than 1200 children to train as jihadists
http://www.christiantoday.com/article/iraq.islamic.state.kidnap.more.than.1200.children. to.train.as.jihadists/57068.htm

[tod evans]

Wristwatch????? We are not talking about a wrist watch but a device that looked like a bomb. Have you even bothered to look at the posts and articles posted here.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?482363-Ahmed-Mohamed%92s-Clock-Was-%93Half-a-Bomb-%94-Says-Anti-Muslim-Group-With-Ties-to-Trump-Cruz-Lee&p=5995240&viewfull=1#post5995240

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?482363-Ahmed-Mohamed%92s-Clock-Was-%93Half-a-Bomb-%94-Says-Anti-Muslim-Group-With-Ties-to-Trump-Cruz-Lee&p=5995267&viewfull=1#post5995267

Regardless this whole thing is a scam.

btw - I have no problem with profiling or interrogating Muslim students that bring in devices that look like a bomb. It is not unusual for Islamic terrorist groups to recruit and use children for bomb attacks.

Remember these are the same people who think poptarts look like guns......

[twomp]

The Muslim kid did not build a clock. He took an existing clock and put it into a case that looked like a hoax bomb. There is a good chance the kid and activist parent knew exactly what they were doing and what the response would be.

His engineering teacher told him not to show anyone knowing what the response would be. The kid lets it go off in class anyway. This kid that is being spun as some sort of genius is suddenly too stupid to turn off the clock and not realize the ramifications of his actions. I am not buying it.

Further the kid was uncooperative. At that point the kid had to be questioned. Using children for bomb delivery in the Islamic world is pretty common. What is to say that cannot happen here. The Garland terrorist attack was only 30 minutes from this school

500 children kidnapped by ISIS are being brainwashed into becoming suicide bombers or child soldiers, Iraqi official reveals
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3107010/500-children-kidnapped-ISIS-brainwashed-suicide-bombers-child-soldiers-Iraqi-official-reveals.html#ixzz3mFO5OnUM

How ISIS Abducts, Recruits, and Trains Children -- NYMag
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2015/07/how-isis-abducts-recruits-and-trains-children.html

Iraq: Islamic State kidnap more than 1200 children to train as jihadists
http://www.christiantoday.com/article/iraq.islamic.state.kidnap.more.than.1200.children. to.train.as.jihadists/57068.htm

Grasping at straws to prove you aren't an idiot but the only thing you are doing is doubling down on your stupidity. The Constitution wasn't meant to protect people like you who drop your pants and grab your ankles at the site of a badge. It was meant to protect people against authortiarians loke this kid. The cops over stepped and here you are like the progressive you are defending them.

[jonhowe]

Sure sounds like this was planned. The kid should not be rewarded.

The Real Story of #IStandWithAhmed
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/09/18/real-story-istandwithahmed/

The article answers it's own questions before it asks them. It says authorities claimed Ahmed "didn't have a reasonable answer" as to why he had it. THe next sentence then says, "the student told them that it was just a clock that he was messing around with". That's not reasonable? Messing around with technology is not reasonable?

And see, this is the exact problem: "after he revealed the device to the teacher, school officials notified the police, and Ahmed was interrogated by officers... “You can’t take things like that to school” without explanation or assignment in today’s world without it receiving scrutiny." As others have pointed out, it was no more a bomb component than a cellphone is. It's an absurd over reaction because the kid looks like the scary terrorists they show us on tv.

[TheCount]

The Muslim kid did not build a clock. He took an existing clock and put it into a case that looked like a hoax bomb. There is a good chance the kid and activist parent knew exactly what they were doing and what the response would be.

His engineering teacher told him not to show anyone knowing what the response would be. The kid lets it go off in class anyway. This kid that is being spun as some sort of genius is suddenly too stupid to turn off the clock and not realize the ramifications of his actions. I am not buying it.

Further the kid was uncooperative. At that point the kid had to be questioned. Using children for bomb delivery in the Islamic world is pretty common. What is to say that cannot happen here. The Garland terrorist attack was only 30 minutes from this school

If school administration was so worried about this 'bomb' why didn't they evacuate the school, or call the bomb squad, or any of the other things that they would do in such a situation?

[jonhowe]

The Muslim kid did not build a clock. He took an existing clock and put it into a case that looked like a hoax bomb. There is a good chance the kid and activist parent knew exactly what they were doing and what the response would be.

His engineering teacher told him not to show anyone knowing what the response would be. The kid lets it go off in class anyway. This kid that is being spun as some sort of genius is suddenly too stupid to turn off the clock and not realize the ramifications of his actions. I am not buying it.

Further the kid was uncooperative. At that point the kid had to be questioned. Using children for bomb delivery in the Islamic world is pretty common. What is to say that cannot happen here. The Garland terrorist attack was only 30 minutes from this school

500 children kidnapped by ISIS are being brainwashed into becoming suicide bombers or child soldiers, Iraqi official reveals
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3107010/500-children-kidnapped-ISIS-brainwashed-suicide-bombers-child-soldiers-Iraqi-official-reveals.html#ixzz3mFO5OnUM

How ISIS Abducts, Recruits, and Trains Children -- NYMag
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2015/07/how-isis-abducts-recruits-and-trains-children.html

Iraq: Islamic State kidnap more than 1200 children to train as jihadists
http://www.christiantoday.com/article/iraq.islamic.state.kidnap.more.than.1200.children. to.train.as.jihadists/57068.htm

Could you show where Ahmed was 'uncooperative'? The article you posted says he told the cops it was a clock he was messing around with. Which is the exact truth. He was uncooperative in the way an innocent man who is unable to name his criminal accomplices would be.

Also, It was in his backpack, he wasnt showing it off, and it made a sound. He wasn't disobeying the engineering teacher; he was doing exactly as he advised. "Too dumb to turn it off"... you've never heard a cell phone go off at an inopportune time?

What is with the statists showing up all of a sudden?

[liveandletlive]

the school did nothing wrong. the police did nothing wrong. The kid did not build a clock, apparently just took out the components of a clock from its plastic casing and put it inside a pencil case.

The kid was likely instructed by his father to do this as a political stunt to further his cause. I really do hate to side with nitwits like Palin and the bigots at Breitbart.

[ClydeCoulter]

But, it might have been that...no, it was this...oh, but..still....

[cajuncocoa]

Could you show where Ahmed was 'uncooperative'?

He wasn't white. :rolleyes:

[TheCount]

Could you show where Ahmed was 'uncooperative'?

He didn't admit that it was a bomb.

[kahless]

I am statist and pro-police now for questioning the Progressive narrative for this news cycle and not being a shill by a spouting some PC narrative. :rolleyes:

It is such a shame since I think people were making progress in this country in exposing police abuse and changing the narrative. Yet just like Blacklivesmatter there are some here doing everything they can to discredit that message and ensure it remains a conspiracy theory spouted by Progressive lunatics.

[kahless]

WHEW! I'm glad the cops cleared all that up!

http://s15.postimg.org/ukspgz64b/image.jpg

Way to go asshole. You took a perfectly good meme that was used appropriately to show mangled babies and people at the hands of police and watered it down to a kid's prank, you killed it.

[cajuncocoa]

http://informationwarfareblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/arguing-with-statists.jpg

[TheTexan]

Way to go asshole. You took a perfectly good meme that was used appropriately to show mangled babies and people at the hands of police and watered it down to a kid's prank, you killed it.

Yes, in 100 percent complete sincerity, I would echo your comments here and add:

Thank you police, really.

[Ronin Truth]

"Half a bomb", you mean minus the go BOOM part? :rolleyes: Is that still a bomb, or is it just a clock?

[Ender]

the school did nothing wrong. the police did nothing wrong. The kid did not build a clock, apparently just took out the components of a clock from its plastic casing and put it inside a pencil case.

The kid was likely instructed by his father to do this as a political stunt to further his cause. I really do hate to side with nitwits like Palin and the bigots at Breitbart.

Then stop.

That meme is ridiculous- there are much bigger and better ways to accomplish political stunts.

What is so hard about understanding a 14 yr old playing around with tech stuff and making things? Lottsa 14 yr olds do this. What's so hard about taking it to school to get some praise from a teacher?

It doesn't matter whether the clock was meh or magnificent- what matters is that a kid was doing something creative and got smacked for it.

Welcome to our PC world.

[presence]

it was a 1970's radio shack alarm clock with the damn case taken off displayed in a briefcase.

he didn't make shit

[liveandletlive]

it was a 1970's radio shack alarm clock with the damn case taken off displayed in a briefcase.

he didn't make shit

he's a lying little fraud who is now rewarded with a free ride to college. What a great country we live in.

[tangent4ronpaul]

VE VUST *BAN* all clocks and watches and 555 IC chips!

It's "for the children!". It's the only way to keep us "safe"!!!!!!

Practicing STEM while "towelhead" Act coming in 5, 4, 3, 2...

:rolleyes:

-t

[quezkittel]

I love the original article. Yes! How dare this kid be so dumb that he can't even bother to make all these expensive parts himself and instead recycles parts from old electronics and "messes with it" (how do you think a lot of kid electronics hobbyists learn stuff??? By taking stuff apart and figuring out how it works!!!), even though the author of the article is so dumb, s/he can't even tell it isn't a bomb.

I bet the author thinks that suspending every kid who accidentally leaves his pocket knife in his backpack or forgets the handbook and brings a little paring knife in his lunch is an overreaction, as do most in the Republican party, yet s/he will put together a string of conjectures that tries to shed the worst possible light on this kid's actions with no proof and a lot of misleading statements. Odd.

Both sides of the media are exaggerating, but you can't really blame the kid for that. It's not the worst thing to ever happen, it's not obvious that all Muslim sounding/looking students should get profiled when they are carrying hobby electronics. Is there a robotics club at this school? Are they allowed to carry around scary looking microcontrollers and breadboards and FPGAs?

Even if the little conspiracy above is true and this was his dad setting him up, didn't he have a point? Take an electronics project to school, get arrested before any experts were called in to figure out what the thing actually was, allegedly hear some prejudiced statements from the police/administrators, get arrested. It's not the greatest travesty of the 21st century, but not ok. Not his fault the media is blowing it out of proportion.

[jonhowe]

I am statist and pro-police now for questioning the Progressive narrative for this news cycle and not being a shill by a spouting some PC narrative. :rolleyes:

It is such a shame since I think people were making progress in this country in exposing police abuse and changing the narrative. Yet just like Blacklivesmatter there are some here doing everything they can to discredit that message and ensure it remains a conspiracy theory spouted by Progressive lunatics.

What you're calling a "progressive" narrative is a "liberty" narrative. This is a story about abuse and overreach by both the public school and the police, two issues that tend to be liberty issues. That's the problem.

[kahless]

What you're calling a "progressive" narrative is a "liberty" narrative. This is a story about abuse and overreach by both the public school and the police, two issues that tend to be liberty issues. That's the problem.

Individual liberty does not mean individual ignorance and lack of self preservation. There was no abuse or over reach.

If this was a Libertarian society and a private school, the organization would still have private security investigate a possible threat to the school.

Muslim's are currently the highest demographic in world to use children in bomb plots that age. This same year 30 minutes from the school there was a Muslim terrorist attack. It was very much within reason for the school to investigate a Muslim student that shows up at school with a device that looks like a bomb on 9/11, a day of heightened alert.

[TheCount]

If this was a Libertarian society and a private school, the organization would still have private security investigate a possible threat to the school.

The school did not take any of the actions that it would have taken if they thought that there was a possible threat.

[Zippyjuan]

Individual liberty does not mean individual ignorance and lack of self preservation. There was no abuse or over reach.

If this was a Libertarian society and a private school, the organization would still have private security investigate a possible threat to the school.

Muslim's are currently the highest demographic in world to use children in bomb plots that age. This same year 30 minutes from the school there was a Muslim terrorist attack. It was very much within reason for the school to investigate a Muslim student that shows up at school with a device that looks like a bomb.

How many acts of violence have occurred in US schools were by Muslims? How many were US Citizens? You are far more likely to be injured in a US school by a fellow citizen. They are who you need to be afraid of.

(Don't recall- what was the "terrorist attack" there earlier this year? )

[Dr.3D]

the school did nothing wrong. the police did nothing wrong. The kid did not build a clock, apparently just took out the components of a clock from its plastic casing and put it inside a pencil case.

The kid was likely instructed by his father to do this as a political stunt to further his cause. I really do hate to side with nitwits like Palin and the bigots at Breitbart.

I'm glad you can see it. I find it strange how so many are falling for this contrived story.

[kahless]

The school did not take any of the actions that it would have taken if they thought that there was a possible threat.

The Progressive talking point appearing here and every blog saying they should have evacuated the school if they thought there was a threat was unnecessary. There was no danger from the device but a hoax bomb on site had to be investigated, it is only logical but I forget Progressives lack logic and it is all about feelings.

[kahless]

(Don't recall- what was the "terrorist attack" there earlier this year? )

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curtis_Culwell_Center_attack

[Zippyjuan]

Thanks. Definitely related to school kids with clocks. One cannot be too careful. :rolleyes:

[kahless]

Thanks. Definitely related to a Muslim kid with hoax bomb. One cannot be too careful.

Fixed that for you.

[Zippyjuan]

It was such a dumb bomb they left out the explosive parts.

The "suitcase" measures 8.25 inches by 5.5 inches by 2.5 inches on the outside. How big of a bomb could you hide in one of those? (the clock took up about half that space): http://www.amazon.com/Vaultz-Locking-Pencil-Inches-VZ01479/dp/B001BXZ28K

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51zVIc64naL.jpg


http://www.wired.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/AP_250782557912-582x462.jpg
Should schools hire more security (at taxpayer expense) and search all bookbags, purses, and pencil cases for all students? It that a libertarian society?

[XNavyNuke]

VE VUST *BAN* all clocks and watches and 555 IC chips!

555s are passé. True detonation artists would use a 558 quad timer for proper sequencing!

XNN

[Zippyjuan]

Next step is to wire that baby up.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CPARD-oUEAA6iVC.jpg
https://twitter.com/pmarca/status/644033507228938240/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

I noticed Ahmed's clock has plugs for a nine volt battery. Do they still make those? Talk about old technology!

[twomp]

The Progressive talking point appearing here and every blog saying they should have evacuated the school if they thought there was a threat was unnecessary. There was no danger from the device but a hoax bomb on site had to be investigated, it is only logical but I forget Progressives lack logic and it is all about feelings.

The progressive view is to trust that the government is always correct and they are here to protect us which is what you are doing but too stupid to realize. Since when did the Constitution allow for the cops to arrest and hold a kid without their parents OR a lawyer? You ever heard of due process? Probably don't care about due process because progressives like you like to bow down to authority.

[TheCount]

The Progressive talking point appearing here and every blog saying they should have evacuated the school if they thought there was a threat was unnecessary. There was no danger from the device but a hoax bomb on site had to be investigated, it is only logical but I forget Progressives lack logic and it is all about feelings.

It can't be a bomb hoax if nobody claimed it was a bomb.


You're really twisting this situation into knots in a strange attempt to make this fucked up situation the kid's fault somehow.

[cajuncocoa]

The progressive view is to trust that the government is always correct and they are here to protect us which is what you are doing but too stupid to realize. Since when did the Constitution allow for the cops to arrest and hold a kid without their parents OR a lawyer? You ever heard of due process? Probably don't care about due process because progressives like you like to bow down to authority.Oh, snap!

[kahless]

The progressive view is to trust that the government is always correct and they are here to protect us which is what you are doing but too stupid to realize. Since when did the Constitution allow for the cops to arrest and hold a kid without their parents OR a lawyer? You ever heard of due process? Probably don't care about due process because progressives like you like to bow down to authority.

Individual liberty does not mean individual ignorance and lack of self preservation. The child was not denied his rights or due process. His parents were contacted and he was picked up once his parents arrived.

If this was a Libertarian society and a private school, the organization would still have private security investigate a possible threat to the school.

Muslim's are currently the highest demographic in world to use children in bomb plots that age. This same year 30 minutes from the school there was a Muslim terrorist attack. It was therefore very much within reason for the school to investigate a Muslim student that shows up at school with a device that looks like a bomb on 9/11, a day of heightened alert.

[moostraks]

It can't be a bomb hoax if nobody claimed it was a bomb.


You're really twisting this situation into knots in a strange attempt to make this fucked up situation the kid's fault somehow.

I am perplexed by the one side which seems to be doubling down on this story making it continually news and using it to attack anyone who disagrees with the horror (/sarc) of the situation and necessity for the type of over reaction of the school in arresting the boy. Triple the eye roll is the portrayal of said pencil box as a suitcase and hence the rationalization they seem to make in perpetuating the hysterics associated with this hoax bomb argument. Wth?

Funny thing was Palin's little diatribe on the issue of how it was no pencil box with its picture of Target pencils in it. When I showed the picture of supposed hoax suitcase bomb to dh, his comment was on how it was the same sort of pencil boxes they carry at Target (and no, he did not see Palin's picture) and he almost never does any shopping with or without me.

[ThePaleoLibertarian]

The progressive view is to trust that the government is always correct and they are here to protect us which is what you are doing but too stupid to realize. Since when did the Constitution allow for the cops to arrest and hold a kid without their parents OR a lawyer? You ever heard of due process? Probably don't care about due process because progressives like you like to bow down to authority.
Progressive narratives do not always trust the government, not at all. A prog will consistently criticize the state when they believe it's a case of "white privilege" or "male privilege" or anything that justifies the so-called "progressive stack".

[brushfire]

Ahmed will be sure to bring his creation along with him to the whitehouse, right?

[kahless]

Stories Are Blowing Up About Ahmed’s Alarm Clock. Here’s What a Former FBI Agent Told Us
http://www.ijreview.com/2015/09/425062-stories-blowing-ahmeds-alarm-clock-heres-former-fbi-agent-told-us/


On whether or not the clock resembled a bomb:

I have made numerous explosive devices in my career. While I was not an Explosive Ordinance Disposal (EOD) operator, I was a SEAL. We didn’t take bombs apart, we built explosive unconventional devices that could be used in unconventional ways.

That device (clock) resembled something that was unconventional and not understood by the teachers or law enforcement. That is typical of crude explosive devices.”

How he would have approached the situation as an FBI agent:

“My response would have been exactly as the authorities in Irving, Texas responded. I challenge anyone that was not in that circumstance to explain a better, more effective response to an unknown, unconventional device.”

[Valli6]

How to: Make Ahmed's Clock

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tow8p8oN9lY

Ahmed Mohammed Clock is a FRAUD

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEmSwJTqpgY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEmSwJTqpgY


I've worked with kids in contests who have actually built things. I've seen 12-year-olds and 14-year-olds make amazing things on their own. Unfortunately, whether it fits your narrative or whatever you want to believe or not, this particular child down in Texas did not make anything. He did not make a clock. He simply took something out of the casing.

People should not recognize this as an invention and recognize this child as an inventor for this particular creation when plenty of other kids have invented things.

[Ender]

How to: Make Ahmed's Clock

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tow8p8oN9lY

Ahmed Mohammed Clock is a FRAUD

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEmSwJTqpgY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEmSwJTqpgY

I repeat:

So what?

He's 14- he was playing around with stuff- he showed to his teacher. The kid never said" "Look how brilliant I am."

Bet that guy in the vid thinks he's really cool to be smarter than a 14 yr old. Must be related to Palin. ;)

[juleswin]

I repeat:

So what?

He's 14- he was playing around with stuff- he showed to his teacher. The kid never said" "Look how brilliant I am."

Bet that guy in the vid thinks he's really cool to be smarter than a 14 yr old. Must be related to Palin. ;)

There is nothing at all impressive about what he did. I grew up with kids younger than him Nigeria who built far more spectacular items without the aid of the internet. Kids who actually manipulate old electronics with transistors, motors, soldering irons etc etc. People that actually create stuff and not just disassemble them.

The only reason why this is news is because reactionary local PD decided to handcuff this boy.

[twomp]

Individual liberty does not mean individual ignorance and lack of self preservation. The child was not denied his rights or due process. His parents were contacted and he was picked up once his parents arrived.

If this was a Libertarian society and a private school, the organization would still have private security investigate a possible threat to the school.

Muslim's are currently the highest demographic in world to use children in bomb plots that age. This same year 30 minutes from the school there was a Muslim terrorist attack. It was therefore very much within reason for the school to investigate a Muslim student that shows up at school with a device that looks like a bomb on 9/11, a day of heightened alert.

Nice try at spinning. You progressives always try act like no law was broken. "Well, gee if the cops said so, it must be true." Who cares about facts right?

Police Violated Ahmed Mohamed’s Civil Rights by Keeping Away His Parents


Irving, Texas, police violated Ahmed Mohamed’s civil rights by denying his repeated requests to speak with his parents during his detention for a purported bomb that was in fact a clock.

Mohamed, a freshman at MacArthur High School, insists he repeatedly asked officers to call his parents while being interrogated. Mohamed was questioned at the school, then taken in handcuffs to a juvenile detention center, where he was fingerprinted and interrogated without his parents present, according to police and Mohamed.

Texas Family Code is clear this was not supposed to happen.

“A child may not be left unattended in a juvenile processing office and is entitled to be accompanied by the child’s parent, guardian, or other custodian or by the child’s attorney,” Section 52.025 (PDF) states.

Mohamed did not see his parents until he was released from a juvenile detention center, according to police and his family.

Furthermore, a “person taking a child into custody shall promptly give notice of the person’s action and a statement of the reason for taking the child into custody, to the child’s parent, guardian, or custodian.”

Irving Police Chief Larry Boyd said he did “not have answers to [that] specific question” when reporters asked him Wednesday why Mohamed was not allowed to speak to his parents.

The executive director of the Texas chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union said that answer is not good enough.

“Once they’re being questioned, they have a right to refuse answering,” Terri Burke told The Daily Beast. “And, unless it’s something like a traffic violation, [police] immediately need to release the child to their parents.”

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/09/16/police-violated-ahmed-mohamed-s-civil-rights-by-keeping-away-his-parents.html

Try again genius.

[William R]

Sure doesn't look like any clock I've ever seen. It was meant to be provocative.

[juleswin]

Sure doesn't look like any clock I've ever seen. It was meant to be provocative.

Do you not use or have seen a digital alarm clock before?

[kahless]

Sure doesn't look like any clock I've ever seen. It was meant to be provocative.

On 9/11, certainly not a coincidence and certainly not a coincidence his father is an anti-Islamaphobia activist.

[erowe1]

Let's say this was all a set-up designed by this kid's dad to make the government look stupid.

If that's the case, then the dad is still the good guy here, right?

[ThePaleoLibertarian]

On 9/11, certainly not a coincidence and certainly not a coincidence his father is an anti-Islamaphobia activist.
The idea that this was all a publicity stunt is entirely plausible. It wouldn't be the first time one of these "opressed groups" created a manufactured incident to drum up sympathy.

[RonPaulMall]

Let's say this was all a set-up designed by this kid's dad to make the government look stupid.

If that's the case, then the dad is still the good guy here, right?

How does having his son bring a fake bomb to school and the school reacting to that make the government look stupid? Very few parents are going to think it is "stupid" that a school takes bomb threats seriously. Now personally, I object to the cops being called and would have simply expelled the kid and been done with it, but the public isn't going care about the distinction. Cops being called in on kids who pull the fire alarm is something that has been going on since at least the 1970's, so this is nothing new.

[staerker]

Let's say this was all a set-up designed by this kid's dad to make the government look stupid.

If that's the case, then the dad is still the good guy here, right?

I'm pretty sure that that is the case:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mW4w0Y1OXE

[William R]

Stop letting Muslims into the West. Or keep their numbers small so to be more manageable.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3236603/Muslim-teenager-arrested-Texan-teachers-claimed-home-alarm-clock-looked-like-bomb.html

[kahless]

How does having his son bring a fake bomb to school and the school reacting to that make the government look stupid? Very few parents are going to think it is "stupid" that a school takes bomb threats seriously. Now personally, I object to the cops being called and would have simply expelled the kid and been done with it, but the public isn't going care about the distinction. Cops being called in on kids who pull the fire alarm is something that has been going on since at least the 1970's, so this is nothing new.

In this litigious society they were probably following policy. If the kid came back and actually did something then school would be liable for not following procedure.

Ahmed’s parents are also exercising their right to refuse officials to share details of what questions were asked of their son and his answers.

Ahmed’s parents should let the full facts come out
http://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/latest-columns/20150921-mark-davis-ahmeds-parents-should-let-the-full-facts-come-out.ece


But how did we get from warranted attention to Ahmed Mohamed’s project to the images of him being removed from school property in handcuffs? There are gaping pieces missing from the story of that day, and we should all want them filled in.
...
Mayor Van Duyne told me Monday that the family has been asked “numerous times” to waive their right to constrain officials from sharing details of what was said to, and said by, their minor son. This that creates a broad fact gap that has allowed Irving officials to be portrayed as bigoted monsters, a slander that I do not believe for a minute.

If Ahmed’s family unmuzzles those officials, we can all be free to judge their actions on real events and not agendas.
...

But the posturing and selective revelations of the adults on his side have created an atmosphere of derision toward the adults tasked with keeping the city of Irving and its schools safe. We cannot assess the parties in this unfortunate drama without knowing far more about the events of that day.

All sides should support whatever is necessary for those facts to come out.

[dannno]

Like with many issues, both sides are wrong. This is some great material for South Park.

It was 9/12, the day after 9/11.

The kid was obviously race baiting, he had been called a Muslim bomb maker and so he decides to make something that looks like a bomb and bring it to school. It was a "clock", but you couldn't tell the time.. It had an alarm, which was set to go off in class.

Clearly he was looking for some type of attention, and maybe his dad was involved.

On the other hand, you have an over-reacting hyper-sensitive school administration who really should have just treated it for what it was - a kid trying to race bait and get attention. Having him arrested just got him national attention.

Stefan Molyneux:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WV2EdDGq5I

[luctor-et-emergo]

Whatever it is, was or isn't, the question is, do you want to live in a society where people are suspicious of damn near everything?

[Valli6]

Whatever it is, was or isn't, the question is, do you want to live in a society where people are suspicious of damn near everything?
We already have that. We don't also need an increase in unfounded accusations of racism where none exist, particularly when the alleged "victim" strove to make himself look like he'd done something wrong.

[erowe1]

How does having his son bring a fake bomb to school and the school reacting to that make the government look stupid?

Because it wasn't a fake bomb. As an illustration, just observe what has transpired since the incident. If that was the purpose, then they accomplished it.

[erowe1]

Stop letting Muslims into the West. Or keep their numbers small so to be more manageable.

The way to reduce the number of Muslims in the West and everywhere else is to show them the truth and get them to change their minds about Islam. We don't need to violate anyone's natural rights to do that.

[Southron]

This is the best thing that's ever happened to this kid. The power of the media.

[RonPaulMall]

Because it wasn't a fake bomb. As an illustration, just observe what has transpired since the incident. If that was the purpose, then they accomplished it.

What exactly has happened since the incident? Near as I can tell it is:

1. The MSM immediately jumps on the story, doesn't investigate the facts, and builds a false narrative.
2. Politicians and their allies in entertainment and corporate america immediately jump on the bandwagon.
3. After a few days, it turns out the original story spun by the media was completely wrong and everybody who associated themselves with it now look like idiots.

In other words, exactly the same scenario we saw play out in the Duke Lacrosse Case, the Trayvon Martin Incident, and the Ferguson Shooting.

[RonPaulFanInGA]

The police themselves said it's a clock, not a bomb in the least.

Can't neocons just stop lying for once?

[cajuncocoa]

The police themselves said it's a clock, not a bomb in the least.

Can't neocons just stop lying fear-mongering for once?

Fixed it for you.

[RonPaulMall]

The police themselves said it's a clock, not a bomb in the least.

Can't neocons just stop lying for once?

It was a fake bomb constructed out of a miniature suitcase and an alarm clock removed from its casing. No one ever said it was a real bomb. The school determined it wasn't a real bomb relatively quickly. But bringing a fake bomb to school is obviously not something a school is going to allow to go unpunished (otherwise they'd be dealing with bomb threats and evacuations on a daily basis) and since it could technically fall under the rubric of terroristic threats, they did have cause to get the police involved. I don't think they should have- they should have just expelled him from school and been done with it. But given the environment we live in, not surprising at all that they did call the coppers.

[Ender]

What exactly has happened since the incident? Near as I can tell it is:

1. The MSM immediately jumps on the story, doesn't investigate the facts, and builds a false narrative.
2. Politicians and their allies in entertainment and corporate america immediately jump on the bandwagon.
3. After a few days, it turns out the original story spun by the media was completely wrong and everybody who associated themselves with it now look like idiots.

In other words, exactly the same scenario we saw play out in the Duke Lacrosse Case, the Trayvon Martin Incident, and the Ferguson Shooting.

On. The. Nose.

And all the Haters get to run around with their hands in the air and talk about the evils of the dirty brown people.

[twomp]

It was a fake bomb constructed out of a miniature suitcase and an alarm clock removed from its casing. No one ever said it was a real bomb. The school determined it wasn't a real bomb relatively quickly. But bringing a fake bomb to school is obviously not something a school is going to allow to go unpunished (otherwise they'd be dealing with bomb threats and evacuations on a daily basis) and since it could technically fall under the rubric of terroristic threats, they did have cause to get the police involved. I don't think they should have- they should have just expelled him from school and been done with it. But given the environment we live in, not surprising at all that they did call the coppers.

How exactly was it a fake bomb? Did it have fake explosives inside? Maybe a piece of paper that says boom? The kid says it was a clock. The idiots say it was a fake bomb and of course, you believe the idiots.

[RonPaulMall]

How exactly was it a fake bomb? Did it have fake explosives inside? Maybe a piece of paper that says boom? The kid says it was a clock. The idiots say it was a fake bomb and of course, you believe the idiots.

No, the idiots in the MSM were the ones who claimed he "built a clock". This has been thoroughly debunked. What he did was take the plastic off an alarm clock and put it in a small briefcase so that it appeared to look like a bomb and then brought it to school to shock and scare his classmates.

[Ender]

No, the idiots in the MSM were the ones who claimed he "built a clock". This has been thoroughly debunked. What he did was take the plastic off an alarm clock and put it in a small briefcase so that it appeared to look like a bomb and then brought it to school to shock and scare his classmates.

Kinda when you said this, I thought we were on the same page:


What exactly has happened since the incident? Near as I can tell it is:

1. The MSM immediately jumps on the story, doesn't investigate the facts, and builds a false narrative.
2. Politicians and their allies in entertainment and corporate america immediately jump on the bandwagon.
3. After a few days, it turns out the original story spun by the media was completely wrong and everybody who associated themselves with it now look like idiots.


But then I realized: You are right- except it is the exact opposite of what you are proposing.

[puppetmaster]

Heard it a radio shack clock......stunt