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rawraw04
08-24-2015, 08:31 PM
What does everyone think of this? I was impressed with the one for Ron last time.

http://www.foreverfree.com/

CPUd
08-24-2015, 08:34 PM
no.

kbs021
08-24-2015, 08:36 PM
Wouldn't hurt sending them to past Ron supporters in IA, NH, NV, and other early/caucus states. That is the use for them imo

nayjevin
08-24-2015, 09:06 PM
no.

Survey sez, not legit:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?470280-Help-Mail-40-000-Rand-Paul-Super-Brochures-and-Stickers

TLDR: brochure guy claims i got paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to mount a conspiracy against his brochure, doesn't answer questions about why he charges so much for them, isn't transparent, daily paul puts ad for brochure at top of page, nayjevin throws hands in air and says 'fine liberty movement, if that's what you are I am going to have a nice warm cup of coffee and sweep the driveway and come back in a few minutes and be the change I want to see in the world some more and laugh.'

TaftFan
08-24-2015, 09:11 PM
Anything to get his name out at this point.

wizardwatson
08-24-2015, 09:20 PM
What does everyone think of this? I was impressed with the one for Ron last time.

http://www.foreverfree.com/

Are you affiliated with that PAC?

r3volution 3.0
08-24-2015, 09:20 PM
I just took a close look, and IMO the brochure itself is very well done, and it doesn't make it appear as though it's coming from the official campaign (=good).

OP, what is the total cost per mailer? And who's going to be receiving them?

Uriah
08-24-2015, 09:24 PM
It would be worth more to canvass, make calls, or donate to the campaign or one of the super pacs.

Locals know best about what will get their neighbors to vote for or against someone. If you can identify grassroots groups in one of the early states you could just send them money to help with their printing costs for materials that are specifically designed for the local population.

My county grassroots Paul group did this to great effect in '08 & '12. Paul won our county both times. We were fortunate to have multiple wealthy supporters but not all Paul groups were as lucky.

At best, the super brochures had mixed results. Won some votes and lost others -- likely more than we gained-- so resources could be better utilized.

CPUd
08-24-2015, 09:33 PM
Here are 2 infinitely better ways to support grassroots efforts:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?480762-Spread-the-word-New-Grassroots-Rand-Paul-Project-RandPaulDigital
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?480095-Stand-With-Liberty-Documenting-the-Revolution-Donate-towards-Rand-Photography-efforts

r3volution 3.0
08-24-2015, 09:36 PM
^^^I also highly recommend both of those.

Not necessarily to the exclusion of the superbrochure though: need more information.

If they're just going to former Paulites, and the price is decent, I think it's a good idea.

Okaloosa
08-24-2015, 09:55 PM
I had mixed feeling about the brochure in 2012, but at this point the campaign is not putting out literature and is being labeled by his enemies, while not perfect I don't see this brochure being detrimental and would in fact be a net positive. The campaign needs literature ASAP.

carlton
08-24-2015, 10:10 PM
^^^I also highly recommend both of those.

Not necessarily to the exclusion of the superbrochure though: need more information.

If they're just going to former Paulites, and the price is decent, I think it's a good idea.

The guy who is heading this posted here about it a while back.. of course he got driven out by most of the forum members.

Okaloosa
08-24-2015, 10:20 PM
Compared with 2012 the campaign is behind in tv ads, literature, and grassroots youtube videos. We need to get Paul's name out there by these means, the campaign is not pulling the trigger so the grassroots needs to step up and force them to put out some material.

r3volution 3.0
08-24-2015, 10:21 PM
The guy who is heading this posted here about it a while back.. of course he got driven out by most of the forum members.

Yea, I remember that thread. But this is 5 months later, and I don't know if their mailing strategy or prices have changed.

Anti-Neocon
08-24-2015, 10:34 PM
The Super Brochure guy was a very ambitious capitalist, to say the least :rolleyes:

r3volution 3.0
08-24-2015, 10:36 PM
To briefly explain why I think this is a good idea (assuming it's being sent to Paulites and only Paulites):

The official campaign can print and mail literature cheaper than any grassroots organization; it has better lists; it's better able to target voters with material specific to their interests. HOWEVER, there's one thing the campaign absolutely cannot do - send out material from the grassroots. There are a lot of disillusioned Paulites out there, who may think that Rand sold out, "went Hollywood," abandoned his father's grassroots base; people who may still be angry about the (perceived) misdeeds of the official campaign last time round. Official campaign literature is not going to be very effective on such people. But receiving something like the superbrochure, which tells them that the grassroots is firmly behind Rand, which reminds them of the good old days, could do wonders. It's a "come to Jesus" message.

Okaloosa
08-24-2015, 10:39 PM
To briefly explain why I think this is a good idea (assuming it's being sent to Paulites and only Paulites):

The official campaign can print and mail literature cheaper than any grassroots organization; it has better lists; it's better able to target voters with material specific to their interests. HOWEVER, there's one thing the campaign absolutely cannot do - send out material from the grassroots. There are a lot of disillusioned Paulites out there, who may think that Rand sold out, "went Hollywood," abandoned his father's grassroots base; people who may still be angry about the (perceived) misdeeds of the official campaign last time round. Official campaign literature is not going to be very effective on such people. But receiving something like the superbrochure, which tells them that the grassroots is firmly behind Rand, which reminds them of the good old days, could do wonders. It's a "come to Jesus" message.

Or have Ron Paul recorded endorsements calling all the people on his list. Or ask him to make calls too.

carlton
08-24-2015, 10:42 PM
The Super Brochure guy was a very ambitious capitalist, to say the least :rolleyes:


To briefly explain why I think this is a good idea (assuming it's being sent to Paulites and only Paulites):

The official campaign can print and mail literature cheaper than any grassroots organization; it has better lists; it's better able to target voters with material specific to their interests. HOWEVER, there's one thing the campaign absolutely cannot do - send out material from the grassroots. There are a lot of disillusioned Paulites out there, who may think that Rand sold out, "went Hollywood," abandoned his father's grassroots base; people who may still be angry about the (perceived) misdeeds of the official campaign last time round. Official campaign literature is not going to be very effective on such people. But receiving something like the superbrochure, which tells them that the grassroots is firmly behind Rand, which reminds them of the good old days, could do wonders. It's a "come to Jesus" message.

We should just replicate the work he's done and make our own super brochures.

r3volution 3.0
08-24-2015, 10:43 PM
Or have Ron Paul recorded endorsements calling all the people on his list. Or ask him to make calls too.

That's a good idea, and cheap. A little googling tells me you could robocall 40,000 people for a bit over $2000.

r3volution 3.0
08-24-2015, 10:46 PM
We should just replicate the work he's done and make our own super brochures.

Yea, if people don't trust this guy for whatever reason, we should.

The designing, printing, and mailing is easy (just need money).

The problem is the list. He's got a list from 2012, we don't (at least I don't).

fr33
08-24-2015, 11:40 PM
They should only be mailed out to Ron Paul supporters.

po14015
08-25-2015, 06:52 AM
A simple "Sorry, you were right 4 months ago." seems to be in order. Instead, the same people lie and smear me and want to duplicate the idea. It is like deja vu from 2011.

If you want the Original Super Brochure from the people that got it on the front page of the New York Times and featured on MSNBC, then go here:
http://www.foreverfree.com/

If you want Rand Paul Super Brochures for as little as 9 cents depending on volume and get them in 2-4 days, then go here:
http://www.foreverfree.com/super-brochures/

If you do not have the time to hand out Super Brochures, then you can select an area on the map:
http://www.foreverfree.com/

If you want us to select the area to mail, then go here:
http://www.foreverfree.com/donation-form/

This is the Rand Paul Super Brochure:

http://photos1.meetupstatic.com/photos/event/6/9/3/6/600_437366934.jpeg

http://photos2.meetupstatic.com/photos/event/6/9/4/7/600_437366951.jpeg

For anyone who is genuine on this thread, we welcome your feedback. You can call or email us anytime.

In Liberty,

Curt Schultz
941-896-7770

For anyone who doesn't know me, they can do a simple google search. I run the 13th largest Rand Paul Meetup (and the 25th and 27th largest Meetups). I owned RonPaulProducts.com (items of which can be found everywhere even on Ebay still).

And this is what ACTIVE people look like who want Rand to WIN:

https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/11218787_1667931110103060_8056617014482687171_n.jp g?oh=cb45b3cccc05029e145a8631cb2b823c&oe=56753F57

rawraw04
08-25-2015, 09:58 AM
Are you affiliated with that PAC?

After seeing both sides to the argument in the other thread. I think phone banking is the best thing for people out of state to do. Helping with the money bombs is good too!

LibertyEagle
08-25-2015, 10:00 AM
Please don't start this shit again, Curt!! You royally pissed off and ran away Ron Paul supporters in Iowa during Ron Paul's last campaign, with your flyer with the casket on it. Who knows how many others you ran off all across the nation.

You don't know shit about campaign marketing. Rand has hired people. For God's sake, if you want to distribute flyers, USE THE CAMPAIGNS!! Otherwise, you should be treated as someone who is trying to do harm.

NOTE: You are throwing the kitchen sink at them with these brochures. Instead, what successful campaigns do is to understand what the voter's hot issues are and give them that specific brochure. Otherwise, you risk running them off for good.

People, last time around these guys provided links in their Super Brochure to 911 Truther videos and other such crap. The threads are still out there about this.

DO NOT SUPPORT THIS EFFORT.

sabu140
08-25-2015, 10:21 AM
Please don't start this shit again, Curt!! You royally pissed off and ran away Ron Paul supporters in Iowa during Ron Paul's last campaign, with your flyer with the casket on it. Who knows how many others you ran off all across the nation.

You don't know shit about campaign marketing. Rand has hired people. For God's sake, if you want to distribute flyers, USE THE CAMPAIGNS!! Otherwise, you should be treated as someone who is trying to do harm.

NOTE: You are throwing the kitchen sink at them with these brochures. Instead, what successful campaigns do is to understand what the voter's hot issues are and give them that specific brochure. Otherwise, you risk running them off for good.

People, last time around these guys provided links in their Super Brochure to 911 Truther videos and other such crap. The threads are still out there about this.

DO NOT SUPPORT THIS EFFORT.

I think the mistakes made by REV PAC and Curt's partner Erik with the caskets/youtube videos etc. were bad. However they have made corrections and this item needs to be judged by itself. These men are running at a personal loss versus traditional PAC's, and the campaign has no flyers other than one small word document. The campaign needs to get some issue cards both printable and on the store. These guys are the only ones on the market and I feel this product should be used as a tool with direct communication in states not currently be focused on by the campaign.

po14015
08-25-2015, 10:30 AM
Again, I will ask why post negative attack threads on what people should NOT do?????

Why don't you post what you ARE DOING? Lead by example!!!

INSPIRE OTHERS TO BE LIKE YOU!!!

How many telephone calls have you made?
How many doors have you knocked on?
Post pictures of your phone banking centers.
Post videos of walking your neighborhoods?


Here is one of my past phone banking centers:
http://www.foreverfree.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/office2-300x225.jpg


STEP UP OR SHUT UP!

Warlord
08-25-2015, 10:30 AM
Uh oh , LE has spoken. in bold font size 4 no less. I am inclined to agree with her.

Barrex
08-25-2015, 11:49 AM
Deja vu.... that is correct.

Curt last time you got stuck at not answering question about your expenses. It appeared that you were making profit. Simple financial statement of your expenses would go a long way.


Deja vu.... that is correct.

Curt last time you got stuck at not answering question about your expenses. It appeared that you were making profit. Simple financial statement of your expenses would go a long way.

69360
08-25-2015, 05:52 PM
No, just no.

This is being pushed by a for profit business and is not the official campaign message. So the info is not vetted nor targeted and could hurt more than help.

But herding cats is impossible so some of you will probably pay for this and make somebody a nice profit.

LibertyEagle
08-25-2015, 06:02 PM
I think the mistakes made by REV PAC and Curt's partner Erik with the caskets/youtube videos etc. were bad. However they have made corrections and this item needs to be judged by itself. These men are running at a personal loss versus traditional PAC's, and the campaign has no flyers other than one small word document. The campaign needs to get some issue cards both printable and on the store. These guys are the only ones on the market and I feel this product should be used as a tool with direct communication in states not currently be focused on by the campaign.

This is not about what YOU feel should be used. Rand has his own campaign. Let him run it.

If you want to be helpful, why not contact his campaign and volunteer. Here, I'll help you. It's at the bottom of his campaign page. https://www.randpaul.com/

sabu140
08-25-2015, 07:37 PM
This is not about what YOU feel should be used. Rand has his own campaign. Let him run it.

If you want to be helpful, why not contact his campaign and volunteer. Here, I'll help you. It's at the bottom of his campaign page. https://www.randpaul.com/

Thank you for speaking for me, as I helped with a fundraiser and I have been contacting them regularly as a district captain and I reached out to them for phone banking to Iowa. Again YOU don't know everything and the passion from 2012 to now has dropped, the campaign is not out there defining themselves and like it or not any tool is beneficial.

Attacking past mistakes that are not applicable today is not helping. People are flocking to Trump including Paul supporters, who claim Rand doesn't have issues which couldn't be further from the truth.

eleganz
08-25-2015, 07:58 PM
If it is being mailed to anyone that is not an identified and confirmed Ron Paul supporter, you're really wasting your money and doing harm.

People that have been involved with real campaigns should know this stuff, you don't just throw things at people without careful consideration unless you're on an extremely tight budget and are using the method as a hail mary last resort.

I really hope the creator(s) re-consider the strategy.

LibertyEagle
08-25-2015, 08:13 PM
Tank you for speaking for me, as I helped with a fundraiser and I have been contacting them regularly as a district captain and I reached out to the mfor phone banking to Iowa. Again YOU don't know everything and the passion from 2012 to now has dropped, the campaign is not out there defining themselves and like it or not any tool is beneficial.

Attacking past mistakes that are not applicable today is not helping. People are flocking to Trump including Paul supporters, who claim Rand doesn't have issues which couldn't be further from the truth.

So you think you know better than Rand's campaign, eh? :rolleyes:

I think you should run for office yourself, and then you can make up your campaign literature as you choose. However, this is Rand's campaign.

sabu140
08-25-2015, 08:20 PM
So you think you know better than Rand's campaign, eh? :rolleyes:

I think you should run for office yourself, and then you can make up your campaign literature as you choose. However, this is Rand's campaign.

Every candidate has a PAC that put's out literature supporting a candidate, this isn't some novelty just for Rand. Ideally the campaign puts out issue cards like Ron did. The campaign should be but this is an effort to help not hurt. BTW the brochures are better than they were in 2012 for Ron and the casket is gone, outside of the casket people liked it and we used these to canvass in Florida were my county was one of the top counties in the state were we targeted super voters.

LibertyEagle
08-25-2015, 08:25 PM
Every candidate has a PAC that put's out literature supporting a candidate, this isn't some novelty just for Rand. Ideally the campaign puts out issue cards like Ron did. The campaign should be but this is an effort to help not hurt. BTW the brochures are better than they were in 2012 for Ron and the casket is gone, outside of the casket people liked it and we used these to canvass in Florida were my county was one of the top counties in the state were we targeted super voters.

:rolleyes:

Anyone who has even a single clue about campaigns, knows that you don't hit a voter with everything and the kitchen sink. You apparently do not have that clue.

Bryan should ban the lot of you. You will be doing far more harm to Rand's campaign than a few people starting Trump threads on this little forum.

groverblue
08-25-2015, 11:05 PM
I'll participate, but need to look at the brochure first. Can you start another thread just for those who are going to do this. I'd like to have a place where we can discuss and give feedback for product improvement.


A simple "Sorry, you were right 4 months ago." seems to be in order. Instead, the same people lie and smear me and want to duplicate the idea. It is like deja vu from 2011.

If you want the Original Super Brochure from the people that got it on the front page of the New York Times and featured on MSNBC, then go here:
http://www.foreverfree.com/

If you want Rand Paul Super Brochures for as little as 9 cents depending on volume and get them in 2-4 days, then go here:
http://www.foreverfree.com/super-brochures/

If you do not have the time to hand out Super Brochures, then you can select an area on the map:
http://www.foreverfree.com/

If you want us to select the area to mail, then go here:
http://www.foreverfree.com/donation-form/

This is the Rand Paul Super Brochure:

http://photos1.meetupstatic.com/photos/event/6/9/3/6/600_437366934.jpeg

http://photos2.meetupstatic.com/photos/event/6/9/4/7/600_437366951.jpeg

For anyone who is genuine on this thread, we welcome your feedback. You can call or email us anytime.

In Liberty,

Curt Schultz
941-896-7770

For anyone who doesn't know me, they can do a simple google search. I run the 13th largest Rand Paul Meetup (and the 25th and 27th largest Meetups). I owned RonPaulProducts.com (items of which can be found everywhere even on Ebay still).

And this is what ACTIVE people look like who want Rand to WIN:

https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/11218787_1667931110103060_8056617014482687171_n.jp g?oh=cb45b3cccc05029e145a8631cb2b823c&oe=56753F57