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Brian4Liberty
08-21-2015, 01:13 PM
Are Republicans Becoming the Party of White Identity Politics? (http://reason.com/blog/2015/08/21/republican-party-white-identity-politics)
Donald Trump's popularity may signal a shift to a more European-style right populism.
By Elizabeth Nolan Brown | Aug. 21, 2015
Democrats are often accused of being the party of "identity politics," a connotation-laden, quasi-negative concept that the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy describes as "political formations (that) aim to secure the political freedom of a specific constituency marginalized within its larger context" rather than "organizing solely around belief systems, programmatic manifestos, or party affiliation." In the minds of many conservatives, identity politics represents the very worst of special-interest-mongering and "playing the race/gender/whatever card." As with political correctness, criticism of American identity politics isn't entirely unwarranted, but it gets muddied by folks who invoke the phrase anytime constituencies suggest they have social or legal concerns not directly relevant to straight, white, Christian men. In Europe, meanwhile, straight, white, Christian men and women have become their own sort of special-interest group, and one whose particular identity politics now form a core tenet of right-populist political movements.
Could the same thing happen here? The Federalist's Ben Domenech is worried that it could, with the rise of GOP presidential candidate Donald Trump representing the proverbial canary in the coal mine. "Donald Trump could transform the Republican Party into a coalition focused on white identity politics," reads the subhead on Domenech's article. "We've seen this in Europe, and it's bad."
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More: http://reason.com/blog/2015/08/21/republican-party-white-identity-politics
tod evans
08-21-2015, 01:16 PM
white identity politics, "We've seen this in Europe, and it's bad."
Oh fuck off!
It's perfectly okay to have black, latino and any other " identity politics" what's wrong with the white folks doing it too?
Acala
08-21-2015, 01:31 PM
Is a White Identity party bad? I have a better question: is ANY party politics good? Is a labor union party good? How about a crony-capitalist party? A government employee party? Military/prison/police industry party?
tod evans
08-21-2015, 01:35 PM
Is a White Identity party bad? I have a better question: is ANY party politics good? Is a labor union party good? How about a crony-capitalist party? A government employee party? Military/prison/police industry party?
Who would "police" identity politics?
Mr.NoSmile
08-21-2015, 01:40 PM
Oh fuck off!
It's perfectly okay to have black, latino and any other " identity politics" what's wrong with the white folks doing it too?
What comprises white identity politics, if you don't mind?
tod evans
08-21-2015, 01:54 PM
What comprises white identity politics, if you don't mind?
I have no idea, it just rankles me that it's perfectly okay to have any other ethnic identity politics except white...
Brian4Liberty
08-21-2015, 01:56 PM
What comprises white identity politics, if you don't mind?
According to Reason, it appears to be wanting to build a wall, or opposition to illegal immigration, or opposition to birthright citizenship.
thoughtomator
08-21-2015, 02:01 PM
White identity politics is only emerging because of intensity and militancy of every other identity group's politics have gone way past intolerable.
"White privilege", transgenderism, the attempt to erase Southern history and culture were last straws. There's only so much outrageous nonsense a person is going to put up with before they start pushing back, especially when all the signs point to the eventual aim of genocide.
tod evans
08-21-2015, 02:01 PM
Here's the article Reason used to base theirs on;
(I'm not a Trump fan and I find this guy linking white republicians to Trump ludicrious)
Are Republicans For Freedom Or White Identity Politics?
http://thefederalist.com/2015/08/21/are-republicans-for-freedom-or-white-identity-politics/
Now that we have had time to observe the Donald Trump phenomenon, there is enough evidence to make a clear assessment of what it represents. The rise of Trump is an epic expression of frustration with the American political system, and it is a natural outgrowth of frustrations with America’s changing demographics; the hollowing out of white working class values and culture, as Charles Murray has documented extensively; and what life is like when governed by the administrative state, where the president increasingly acts as a unilateral executive and elected representatives consistently ignore the people’s priorities.
At its best, these frustrations would be articulated by the Republican Party in ways that lead to more freedom and less government. At its worst, these frustrations cast aside Constitutional principles, encourage dictatorial behavior, and become the toxic political equivalent of the two Southie brothers who claimed Trump inspired them to beat up a Hispanic homeless man.
Dismiss Donald Trump if you will, but tonight in Alabama he is expected to draw 35,000 people. Try to do that with any other presidential candidate. The phenomenon is real, and the danger Trump presents for the Republican Party is real. Even without winning the GOP nomination, which is still a remote possibility at best, his statements have tapped into a widespread anger that has the potential to transform the Republican Party in significant ways. Ultimately, Trump presents a choice for the Republican Party about which path to follow: a path toward a coalition that is broad, classically liberal, and consistent with the party’s history, or a path toward a coalition that is reduced to the narrow interests of identity politics for white people.
For decades, Republicans have held to the idea that they are unified by a fusionist ideological coalition with a shared belief in limited government, while the Democratic Party was animated by identity politics for the various member groups of its coalition. This belief has been bolstered in the era of President Obama, which has seen the Democratic Party stress identity politics narratives about the war on this or that group of Americans, even as they adopted a more corporatist attitude toward Wall Street and big business (leading inevitably to their own populist problem in Sen. Bernie Sanders). What Trump represents is the potential for a significant shift in the Republican Party toward white identity politics for the American right, and toward a coalition more in keeping with the European right than with the American.
What Trump represents is the potential for a significant shift in the Republican Party toward white identity politics for the American right.
“Identity politics for white people” is not the same thing as “racism”, nor are the people who advocate for it necessarily racist, though of course the categories overlap. In fact, white identity politics was at one point the underlying trend for the majoritarian American cultural mainstream. But since the late 1960s, it has been transitioning in fits and starts into something more insular and distinct. Now, half a century later, the Trump moment very much illuminates its function as one interest group among many, as opposed to the background context for everything the nation does. The white American with the high-school education who works at the duck-feed factory in northern Indiana has as much right to advance his interest as anyone else. But that interest is now being redefined in very narrow terms, in opposition to the interests of other ethnic groups, and in a marked departure from the expansive view of the freedoms of a common humanity advanced by the Founders and Abraham Lincoln.
Trump’s appeal to these narrow interests is understandable and smart, given the tenor of the times. Among members of the American right and disaffected independents, voices of outrage railing against the collapse of the rule of law have increased steadily throughout Obama’s second term. Their opinion of the Supreme Court has fallen steadily, and they no longer trust the agents of the IRS, EPA, or DOJ to do anything other than serve the wishes of the White House.
Trump’s brand of Jacksonian populism is perfectly tailored for this sentiment. He would throw the Constitution and the rule of law to the winds in pursuit of an aggressive promise of unilateral change – and they are fine with that. What we are hearing now from the Trump-supporting right is akin to the Roman people’s call for the dissolution of the Senate: the demand to install a strong horse, the outsider who will fix all things, the powerful man who promises he will, at long last, get things done for the people. As Alex Castellanos writes at CNN:
Trump is more than a legacy of Republican inaction. He is the inevitable result of decades of progressive failure. He is where frustrated nations turn when top-down, industrial age government fails to deliver what it promised and presents chaos instead. When a government that has pledged to do everything can’t do anything, otherwise sensible people turn to the strongman. This is how the autocrat, the popular dictator, gains power. We are seduced by his success and strength.
For those who believe Barack Obama has ruled like an Emperor, Trump offers them their own replacement who has the appeal of a traitor to his class, dispensing entirely with the politeness of the politically correct elites and telling it always and forever like it is. If the president is to be an autocrat, let him be our kind of autocrat, these supporters say. It’s our turn now, and we want a golden-headed billionaire with the restraint of the bar fly and the tastes of Caligula, gliding his helicopter down to the Iowa cornfields like a boss. He’ll show Putin what for.
The Political Class’ Betrayal on Immigration
Trump has seized upon the issue of immigration, where the stubborn, arrogant refusal of the political class to implement reforms the people demand – even to the point of enforcing equitably laws already on the books, but willfully ignored by the administrative state – has inflated the balloon on this issue to the point of popping. And Trump is just the man to pop it.
Prior to this election season, the national Republican coalition had come around to the idea that while conservatives are opposed to a comprehensive reform package, they would take an incremental approach to reform: building a wall, increasing enforcement along the border, and generally moving toward a path to legalization, not citizenship, for those here illegally. At the national level, you could generally get to a place where principled border hawk conservatives like Jim DeMint and The Wall Street Journal editorial page can find unity.
Their assumption was that if a future Republican administration finally got control of the border, it would allow them the latitude to move more gradually toward an incremental amnesty or legalization. But this assumption ignored the frustration and rage across the country which has only grown in the wake of Obama’s executive actions.
Essentially, a sizable portion of the country is saying, “We want to stop illegal immigration,” and both parties are telling them: “You’re not allowed to want that.”
Essentially, a sizable portion of the country is saying, “We want to stop illegal immigration,” and both parties are telling them, in essence, “You’re not allowed to want that.” Left to fester long enough, this frustration has moved beyond the point of an ordinary, partisan political controversy and is moving toward a crisis of constitutional democracy, where the bipartisan political elite has decided that a basic function of nation-state governance is, in 21st century America, illegitimate.
The two major party establishments are more or less complicit in this political and cultural invalidation of a large swath of the electorate. Couple that with the economic disaffection this same group already bears toward the elites already leaving them behind, and something like the Trump boomlet was probably inevitable. If a large – sorry, yuge – portion of the country wants existing bipartisan immigration laws to be enforced, and one party tells them “Yes,” but means “No,” and the other party tells them, “No” but means “You’re a racist,” then it’s only a matter of time before some disruptor is going to emerge to call them out for their game.
Elite consensus indifference to public opinion has created a vacuum, and Trump’s entry into it has revealed the immigration split within the GOP to be deeper than previously understood. While Trump’s white paper bullets represent fairly mainstream border hawk conservatism, what he has said separate from that plan went far afield from such a proposal. The idea that America is going to endure the blood and moral outrage over the deportation of 11 million people, including young children of illegals born here who are constitutionally American citizens, is absurd. Even one of the most prominent immigration hawks, Mark Krikorian of the Center for Immigration Studies, dismissed this mass deportation as impossible on my radio show this week. But Donald Trump has proposed this, and loudly insisted he will do it. And the faction of the country that believes not in freedom but identity politics for white people adores it.
Trump Will Not Win, But His Argument Could
Trump is very unlikely to prevail. His “deport them all now” view, while held by roughly 20 percent of the American people depending on which poll you read, has limited popularity. The normal grievance-based white identity politics platform that promises protectionism, tariffs, infrastructure, subsidies, entitlements, and always blames the presence of immigrants for the creative destruction of the global marketplace, has consistently performed best in the GOP prior to any actual Republicans voting. But should his ideas prevail and win – or if, in the most extreme scenario, Trump were to sustain his path and take the Republican nomination – it would set America’s political path on a direction along the lines of what we have seen in democracies in Europe.
Should his ideas prevail and win…it would set America’s political path on a direction along the lines of what we have seen in democracies in Europe.
Consider what it would look like for America to follow the path of France, devolving toward a new two-party system which has on the one hand a center-left / technocratic party, full of elites with shared pedigrees of experience and education, and on the other a nativist right/populist party, which represents a constant reactive force to the dominant elite.
In France, the École Nationale d’Administration produces the political elite. In America, we have a more diversified but still as dominating leadership-class production system, with the same phenomenon and same problem of uniformity of elites exists regardless of party. The populists are not being irrational in perceiving that these guys are “all the same.” But their brand of conservatism is frequently xenophobic, anti-capitalist, vaguely militarist, pro-state, and consistently anti-Semitic. If you criticize Donald Trump, it is exactly the sort of hate mail you should expect to receive.
In the 2002 French presidential election, fascist-style populist Jean-Marie Le Pen came in second in the first round of voting, meaning the French electorate had to choose between him and Jacques Chirac, a statist-right bureaucrat who never saw an individual liberty he didn’t want to slightly curtail. Voters recoiled from expressions of racism and fascistic xenophobia, and gave Chirac the largest majority of any French head of state in history. The next French presidential election is in 2017, and there is a very good chance that the 2002 scenario will repeat itself, with Jean-Marie’s daughter Marine Le Pen getting into the runoff (she has sought to increase her chances in part by forcing her father out). Between Francois Hollande and Le Pen, most decent people go for Hollande. For others, when neither major centrist party will prioritize or even acknowledge the problems faced by a people confronted by massive and troublesome issues of immigration and ethnic tension, eventually they feel they have no choice but to protest vote for Le Pen.
We are also losing a rare and precious inheritance that is our only real living link to the Revolutionary era.
France is hardly alone in this experience – across Europe the rise of these populist movements, whether from the left or the right, have spread to Britain, Spain, Italy, and other nations. The European experience suggests that the burgeoning administrative state, whether run by putative leftists or putative rightists, engenders a reaction against itself. That antithesis usually is illiberal and adopts an aesthetic of anger, because it is the sort of citizenry that the administrative state produces, and because it is in the interest of that state to have that sort of enemy. Everyone who believes in the values that the administrative state at least claims to support and defend — societal pluralism, common decency, some sort of liberalism — gravitates toward it on Election Day. This is a story repeated across Europe – and in rare places like Hungary, we see what happens when the populist-right actually wins, and it isn’t pretty.
There is a slim possibility that what’s happening in the GOP primary campaign this summer is actually healthy and salutary, as conservative intellectual Yuval Levin argues here. But it is also possible that it represents one more way America is becoming more European. A classically liberal right is actually fairly uncommon in western democracies, requiring as it does a coalition that synthesizes populist tendencies and directs such frustrations toward the cause of limited government. Only the United States and Canada have successfully maintained one over an extended period. Now the popularity of Donald Trump suggests ours may be going away. In a sense we are reverting to a general mean – but we are also losing a rare and precious inheritance that is our only real living link to the Revolutionary era and its truly revolutionary ideas about self-government.
AuH20
08-21-2015, 02:02 PM
White identity politics is only emerging because of intensity and militancy of every other identity group's politics have gone way past intolerable.
"White privilege", transgenderism, the attempt to erase Southern history and culture were last straws. There's only so much outrageous nonsense a person is going to put up with before they start pushing back, especially when all the signs point to the eventual aim of genocide.
What typically happens when you attempt to systematically destroy a people and wipe their heritage clean?...........................they coalesce closer together. The progs have no idea what they are creating. They drew first blood and history isn't in their favor.
Warrior_of_Freedom
08-21-2015, 02:04 PM
the hilarious part is it's white on white politics, because as we've seen recently, a lot of these stupid social agenda groups are led by white people. In college I had one of these self-hating white professors, who was also a feminist, and she was obnoxious.
Brought to you by the same neanderthals that call women a minority. ROFL.
AuH20
08-21-2015, 02:06 PM
the hilarious part is it's white on white politics, because as we've seen recently, a lot of these stupid social agenda groups are led by white people. In college I had one of these self-hating white professors, who as also a feminist, and she was obnoxious.
White progressives (liberals are generally different but you will be hard pressed to find them these days) need to be burned at the stake. Woodrow Wilson. FDR. The Clintons. The Bushes. I could go on and on.
Minorities I don't mind so much because they are being exploited. You can sorta understand how they are coming under the influence of these charlatans.
Mr.NoSmile
08-21-2015, 02:08 PM
I have no idea, it just rankles me that it's perfectly okay to have any other ethnic identity politics except white...
So for no other reason than presumably balance in the universe, you're backing something that you can't define?
tod evans
08-21-2015, 02:14 PM
So for no other reason than presumably balance in the universe, you're backing something that you can't define?
Read what I typed......
It's perfectly okay to have black, latino and any other " identity politics" what's wrong with the white folks doing it too?
Now what exactly do you think I'm "backing" ?
Granted I'd be far more inclined to listen to "white identity politics" than I would any other ethnic identity but that doesn't mean I'm backing it.
I'm not calling for a ban on any of these groups like the guy girl writing for Reason is...
AuH20
08-21-2015, 02:16 PM
Read what I typed......
Now what exactly do you think I'm "backing" ?
Granted I'd be far more inclined to listen to "white identity politics" than I would any other ethnic identity but that doesn't mean I'm backing it.
I'm not calling for a ban on any of these groups like the guy writing for Reason is...
Shockingly, white people are coming together after being vilified for 50 years. How could this happen? Why won't they accept our programming and become a loyal cog in the machine?
paleocon1
08-21-2015, 02:25 PM
if the Repubs aren't they should.
paleocon1
08-21-2015, 02:28 PM
What comprises white identity politics, if you don't mind?
Whites refusing to Stand and Deliver on the demand of their Affirmative Action Approved Betters.
Warrior_of_Freedom
08-21-2015, 02:30 PM
The percentage of non-Hispanic white people in the U.S. population has reached an all-time low: 63%. That is 197.7 million white people out of 313.9 million Americans.
In 2000, whites were 69% of the population. In 1980, they made up 80%. But now white deaths outpace white births by 12,419, and the U.S. is on track to becoming a majority-minority country by 2043, according to data from the U.S. Census Bureau.
"This is the first time there has ever been an overall non-Hispanic white natural decrease in the U.S.," demographer Kenneth Johnson told Bloomberg.
Nearly half of American children younger than 5 are minorities, and the number of minorities under 18 is expected to surpass the number of white children by 2019. The total minority population has grown 21 times faster than the white population.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/percentage-non-hispanic-whites-hits-all-time-63-article-1.1371772
Going the way of the dodo, but I guess if you don't support your destruction you're intolerant racist. By global population, "whites" are already a vast minority.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3boy_tLWeqA
paleocon1
08-21-2015, 02:36 PM
.................................
Are Republicans For Freedom Or White Identity Politics?
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Its like this- to secure the Freedom for Folks like myself, my kids, my grandchildren and those who share our heritage which the progressives and their diversity allies have been for 60 years attempting to eradicate a period of White Identity Politics has become necessary.
euphemia
08-21-2015, 02:48 PM
This is a smoke screen. Establishment Democrats are white and rich.
tod evans
08-21-2015, 02:49 PM
This is a smoke screen. Establishment Democrats are white and rich.
Yeah but it sure gets some knickers in a twist.....;)
Warrior_of_Freedom
08-21-2015, 02:51 PM
Yeah but it sure gets some knickers in a twist.....;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AjvGIBgpF8
Acala
08-21-2015, 03:10 PM
Who would "police" identity politics? It wouldn't matter if we could all opt out of any government we didn't like. Then there could be whole communities of self-loathing people of various identities that could voluntarily flog themselves. And others where everyone could just chill, live, and let live. See you there!
tod evans
08-21-2015, 03:11 PM
It wouldn't matter if we could all opt out of any government we didn't like. Then there could be whole communities of self-loathing people of various identities that could voluntarily flog themselves. And others where everyone could just chill, live, and let live. See you there!
I hope we both live long enough......
Warrior_of_Freedom
08-21-2015, 03:34 PM
is there a study that shows people who segregate themselves don't get along as well as people who are integrated?
pcosmar
08-21-2015, 03:34 PM
White Identity?
I have only ever identified as white because of Government.
:confused: :confused:
or am I ?
Anti Federalist
08-21-2015, 03:50 PM
In 2000, whites were 69% of the population. In 1980, they made up 80%. But now white deaths outpace white births by 12,419, and the U.S. is on track to becoming a majority-minority country by 2043, according to data from the U.S. Census Bureau.
And some people will still insist upon saying there is NOT a eugenics program afoot.
puppetmaster
08-21-2015, 06:04 PM
Oh fuck off!
It's perfectly okay to have black, latino and any other " identity politics" what's wrong with the white folks doing it too? because ....lol.
always more so than Democrats are for sure.
Warrior_of_Freedom
08-21-2015, 06:19 PM
And some people will still insist upon saying there is NOT a eugenics program afoot.
planned parenthood? like, parents from the hood?
ThePaleoLibertarian
08-21-2015, 06:31 PM
I don't know if they are, but they should. Minorities aren't going to vote for the GOP - Earth to Rand Paul. Whites are under a constant siege in the modern world, told to check our privilege, told to get out of the way so minorities can take their "rightful place", told that we should be ashamed of our history and our culture. It can't go on like this. Something has got to give.
NewRightLibertarian
08-21-2015, 06:40 PM
I would describe it as the party of idiocracy and rampant zombieism under Trump, not 'White Identity Politics' whatever that means.
Brian4Liberty
08-21-2015, 08:57 PM
the hilarious part is it's white on white politics, because as we've seen recently, a lot of these stupid social agenda groups are led by white people. In college I had one of these self-hating white professors, who was also a feminist, and she was obnoxious.
Brought to you by the same neanderthals that call women a minority. ROFL.
always more so than Democrats are for sure.
Bernie Sanders is running on immigration as a big part of his platform. His rallies consist almost entirely of white folks. I must have missed all of the articles saying that the Democrat Party is becoming the "Party of White Identity Politics".
ThePaleoLibertarian
08-21-2015, 09:02 PM
Bernie Sanders is running on immigration as a big part of his platform. His rallies consist almost entirely of white folks. I must have missed all of the articles saying that the Democrat Party is becoming the "Party of White Identity Politics".
Bernie Sanders has consistently voted against attempts to secure the border, and I doubt he would oppose amnesty or the DREAM Act or what have you. The only reason he's come out against open borders is because (in his mind), that is a Koch brothers position.
Bernie Sanders doesn't care about whites and would never claim to. It's not a Bernie Sanders problem; virtually everyone in Washington feel the same way.
enhanced_deficit
08-21-2015, 09:50 PM
Some of GOP could be using similar tactics in reverse as Obama used to racialize/race-card killing of a "black" teen by an brownish hispanic. I forget their names.
Bernie Sanders is running on immigration as a big part of his platform. His rallies consist almost entirely of white folks. I must have missed all of the articles saying that the Democrat Party is becoming the "Party of White Identity Politics".
that's my point, it isn't, not even close.
acptulsa
08-22-2015, 06:46 AM
I don't know if they are, but they should. Minorities aren't going to vote for the GOP - Earth to Rand Paul. Whites are under a constant siege in the modern world, told to check our privilege, told to get out of the way so minorities can take their "rightful place", told that we should be ashamed of our history and our culture. It can't go on like this. Something has got to give.
Your contention that 'we' have to band together against 'them' because 'they' are unilaterally banded together against 'us' down to the last man, woman and child is bullshit. And anyone who actually talks to some of 'them' knows it. You're just spewing divide and conquer propaganda, just the way it was done in the Old South--done in the Old South to make poor whites happy about being robbed, because they weren't robbed quite as much as the other guy was robbed.
Neg rep for propagandizing the very divide and conquer garbage that got us in this mess.
alucard13mm
08-22-2015, 02:22 PM
I am chinese-american and an atheist/buddhist.
I prefer usa to be a white christian nation because the constitution was written by white christian men to give every citizen the freedom everyone enjoys.
People write laws based on their background, religious upbringing, and culture.
havnt you guys noticed the more diverse we are, the more power the establishment has and our rights erode.
Zippyjuan
08-22-2015, 07:23 PM
Trying to prove the "angry white older male" cliche?
klamath
08-22-2015, 08:08 PM
Your contention that 'we' have to band together against 'them' because 'they' are unilaterally banded together against 'us' down to the last man, woman and child is bullshit. And anyone who actually talks to some of 'them' knows it. You're just spewing divide and conquer propaganda, just the way it was done in the Old South--done in the Old South to make poor whites happy about being robbed, because they weren't robbed quite as much as the other guy was robbed.
Neg rep for propagandizing the very divide and conquer garbage that got us in this mess. +1
Dianne
08-22-2015, 08:18 PM
What is a republican? I've only known six or seven in the past 15 years. Other than Ron Paul, Rand Paul, Massey, Walter Jones... I'm missing a couple. But other than those you can count on two hands real republicans.
List who you believe are republicans, see if we can get over ten.
klamath
08-22-2015, 08:25 PM
Trump is trying to make it that way but if his does he will get his ass kicked in the general election. Really am starting to see why Clinton talked Trump into running. He knew of all candidate Trump could destroy the republican chances.
NewRightLibertarian
08-23-2015, 01:21 AM
Trump is trying to make it that way but if his does he will get his ass kicked in the general election. Really am starting to see why Clinton talked Trump into running. He knew of all candidate Trump could destroy the republican chances.
It makes perfect sense. The fact that so many people can't see it is bewildering to me. Guess the dumbing down has reached a point of critical mass where these zombie lowlifes will literally believe anything if a reality TV jerkoff says it.
Trying to prove the "angry white older male" cliche?
Zip it Zippy, nobody asked you.
ThePaleoLibertarian
08-23-2015, 02:32 AM
Trying to prove the "angry white older male" cliche?
Republicans bend over backwards to show that's not who they are, and go out of their way to suck up to any black conservative they can find. The GOP is the party of whites, and if they actually embraced that, they would have won the 2012 election.
Zippyjuan
08-23-2015, 11:26 AM
Appealing only to white. older men is not a way to win general elections.
Immigration is just a distraction issue anyways. Blame somebody else for problems they created. Note that they are not talking about other problems like deficits, wars, and jobs. Those require difficult choices which could turn off supporters. Illegal immigrants can't vote so there is less political risk in going after them.
Sola_Fide
08-23-2015, 11:32 AM
White identity politics is only emerging because of intensity and militancy of every other identity group's politics have gone way past intolerable.
"White privilege", transgenderism, the attempt to erase Southern history and culture were last straws. There's only so much outrageous nonsense a person is going to put up with before they start pushing back, especially when all the signs point to the eventual aim of genocide.
Yeah, but they are doing what they hate their enemies for doing: seeking state solutions and coercion.
Brian4Liberty
08-23-2015, 11:58 AM
Bernie Sanders has consistently voted against attempts to secure the border, and I doubt he would oppose amnesty or the DREAM Act or what have you. The only reason he's come out against open borders is because (in his mind), that is a Koch brothers position.
Bernie Sanders doesn't care about whites and would never claim to. It's not a Bernie Sanders problem; virtually everyone in Washington feel the same way.
The sincerity of Trump or Sanders makes no difference. Both are currently proposing limiting immigration. Both have primarily (but not entirely) white supporters. The GOP is essentially accused of racism. The Democrats are not. Blatant left-wing propaganda, to help the Democrats and demonize the GOP.
idiom
08-23-2015, 04:21 PM
I'm human. I like freedom.
That is my identity.
Apparently I can only say this if I am white and male because its the privilege of a white male to think others are equal when in "reality" they are not.
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