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Unregistered
08-16-2015, 01:12 PM
As Rand Paul stays low in the polls, there is an increasing chance that he will not win the nomination from the GOP. If that happens, who would you vote for, if anyone in the general election? Has anyone thought of their next best option after Rand?

RonPaulMall
09-15-2015, 02:48 PM
As Rand Paul stays low in the polls, there is an increasing chance that he will not win the nomination from the GOP. If that happens, who would you vote for, if anyone in the general election? Has anyone thought of their next best option after Rand?

In my opinion, not voting is always the best option to begin with, so I would propose that as your best fall back plan. After that, I'd go with either Trump if he wins he GOP nod or third party if any good ones emerge. You might even want to think about attending the LP Convention to try to ensure that a real Libertarian is selected this year rather Gary Johnson.

acptulsa
09-16-2015, 07:13 AM
In my opinion, not voting is always the best option to begin with, so I would propose that as your best fall back plan. After that, I'd go with either Trump if he wins he GOP nod or third party if any good ones emerge. You might even want to think about attending the LP Convention to try to ensure that a real Libertarian is selected this year rather Gary Johnson.


https://youtube.com/watch?v=anwy2MPT5RE

To the OP: It's way too early to write Rand Paul off, and we'e way too focused on pulling him out of this 'ignore him or slam him' media campaign to worry about which evil is the lesser evil. Especially since we have no way to know which evil bastards will be on the ballot a year from November.

klamath
09-16-2015, 07:19 AM
If Trump wins I will vote for Bernie sanders. That way in 2020 the party that elected either of those two assholes will be in trouble. I would rather it not be a republican.

rg17
09-16-2015, 07:29 AM
If Trump wins I will vote for Bernie sanders. That way in 2020 the party that elected either of those two assholes will be in trouble. I would rather it not be a republican.

Bernie is just as bad as Trump! He is proposing 18 trillion dollars of spending!

http://www.wsj.com/articles/price-tag-of-bernie-sanders-proposals-18-trillion-1442271511

acptulsa
09-16-2015, 07:33 AM
Bernie is just as bad as Trump!

Even worse, if that's possible.

The point being that either of these Brainless Establishment Front Men would be Nero fiddling while Rome burns, and he'd rather it be the Nero with a D next to his name so Rand can win in 2020, and so we don't have to try in vain to find an honest Democrat and put him forth to replace Trump.


"You know the more you read and observe about this politics thing, you got to admit that each party is worse than the other. The one that's out always looks the best."--Will Rogers 1922

And if the next president is an interventionist moron who stands around doing the Herbert Hoover thing through the crash, then whichever party he belongs to will do poorly indeed next round.

LatinsforPaul
09-16-2015, 07:49 AM
As Rand Paul stays low in the polls, there is an increasing chance that he will not win the nomination from the GOP. If that happens, who would you vote for, if anyone in the general election? Has anyone thought of their next best option after Rand?

We will not know of Rand's "chances" of winning the GOP nomination until at least after the Nevada Caucus which is still over 5 months away.

klamath
09-16-2015, 07:52 AM
Even worse, if that's possible.

The point being that either of these Brainless Establishment Front Men would be Nero fiddling while Rome burns, and he'd rather it be the Nero with a D next to his name so Rand can win in 2020, and so we don't have to try in vain to find an honest Democrat and put him forth to replace Trump.



And if the next president is an interventionist moron who stands around doing the Herbert Hoover thing through the crash, then whichever party he belongs to will do poorly indeed next round.Exactly.

DevilsAdvocate
09-16-2015, 08:14 AM
If Trump wins I will vote for Bernie sanders. That way in 2020 the party that elected either of those two assholes will be in trouble. I would rather it not be a republican.

You are planning to vote for a socialist? Who is basically an outright marxist on the inside?

acptulsa
09-16-2015, 08:17 AM
You are planning to vote for a socialist? Who is basically an outright marxist on the inside?

Better than voting for the socialist who is a downright fascist on the inside. After all, the marxist socialist is honest about it. The fascist socialist wanders about the countryside blathering about how conservative he is.

Why should the inevitable fall that would result from handing power to either socialist be blamed on 'conservatism' instead of being blamed on the socialism which is actually to blame?

Herbert Hoover got the blame for the Great Depression, as did conservatism, and that stigma has lasted eighty-five years. But Herbert Hoover wasn't a conservative at all. He was The Original RINO, and it was liberalism and economic interventionism that caused The Crash. Why would we want to repeat that history?

DevilsAdvocate
09-16-2015, 08:32 AM
Better than voting for the socialist who is a downright fascist on the inside. After all, the marxist socialist is honest about it. The fascist socialist wanders about the countryside blathering about how conservative he is.

Why should the inevitable fall that would result from handing power to either socialist be blamed on 'conservatism' instead of being blamed on the socialism which is actually to blame?

Herbert Hoover got the blame for the Great Depression, as did conservatism, and that stigma has lasted eighty-five years. But Herbert Hoover wasn't a conservative at all. He was The Original RINO, and it was liberalism and economic interventionism that caused The Crash. Why would we want to repeat that history?

What kind of precedent is it going to set for the Democrat Party having a socialist win? What kind of awful historical trend will that be for America? You're basing your decisions on who should be elected based on what propaganda some future historian might manufacture?

acptulsa
09-16-2015, 08:38 AM
What kind of precedent is it going to set for the Democrat Party having a socialist win? What kind of awful historical trend will that be for America? You're basing your decisions on who should be elected based on what propaganda some future historian might manufacture?

No, I'm saying that Fox has managed to get Republicans so tied up in knots that they won't nominate a candidate that can win the presidential election. So, if the GOP is just going to continue to cede the White House to the other party, why not let that party get so full of itself that it installs their own blue meat-slinging, ass kissing incompetent? That way, people will see that both of the establishment parties are completely useless. And that can't be anything but a help.

What kind of awful historical trend would that establish? Let's look at history for the answer, shall we? Wilson and House were all of that, screwed things up big time, and put the economy in the toilet. The Republicans then got off their Teddy Roosevelt Progressivism, nominated a couple of conservatives named Harding and Coolidge, and set off the Roaring Twenties. That, my shilly friend, was not an awful historical precedent. In fact, we could really use another Roaring Twenties.

klamath
09-16-2015, 08:41 AM
What kind of precedent is it going to set for the Democrat Party having a socialist win? What kind of awful historical trend will that be for America? You're basing your decisions on who should be elected based on what propaganda some future historian might manufacture?Quit possible NEVER vote for a open socialist again.

LatinsforPaul
09-16-2015, 08:52 AM
What kind of precedent is it going to set for the Democrat Party having a socialist win? What kind of awful historical trend will that be for America? You're basing your decisions on who should be elected based on what propaganda some future historian might manufacture?

We've had a Socialist President before, FDR.

Ronin Truth
09-16-2015, 09:07 AM
Lamb Chop?

https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&gbv=2&tbm=isch&q=lamb+chop+puppet&revid=1710952251&sa=X&ved=0CD8Q1QIoAGoVChMIhaK3vur7xwIVhtCACh2S1QlG

DevilsAdvocate
09-16-2015, 09:10 AM
Quit possible NEVER vote for a open socialist again.

Yeah right, once they get a lasting foothold on power, they infiltrate all sectors of society and establish a permanent vice grip on the power structure. It's already happened with their grip over Education, the universities, and the mass media.

Public perception of an issue is mostly built by media propaganda, they can make the public believe whatever they want to. Just like a huge percentage of people are convinced the reason Obama isn't doing as well as he could is because of the evil Republicans in the House and Senate, not because he's basically someone with the skill level of a cashier trying to run a sovereign nation.

Did the institution of Social Security and the resulting financial unsustainability convince people once and for all that a government entitlement for retirement is a bad idea? Or did it condition entire generations to accept this government control over their lives as beneficial and necessary? The government dug it's nails into health care, screwing it all up and sending prices spiraling out of control. Did this convince everyone once and for all that we need to permanently extricate government from the health care industry? Or were the problems successfully blamed on other factors, and more and more government intervention demanded?

People don't learn. There are a million different narratives that can be used to explain any given sequence of historical events. The one that is chosen isn't the most logical or scientific, it's the most politically favorable one. The only way to change their minds is to change the curriculum of their high school history classes.

The worst thing you can do is to allow the house to burn down just so you can say "I told you so". Because by then no one is listening to you, and no one remembers what you said

klamath
09-16-2015, 09:13 AM
Yeah right, once they get a lasting foothold on power, they infiltrate all sectors of society and establish a permanent vice grip on the power structure. It's already happened with their grip over Education, the universities, and the mass media.

Public perception of an issue is mostly built by media propaganda, they can make the public believe whatever they want to. Just like a huge percentage of people are convinced the reason Obama isn't doing as well as he could is because of the evil Republicans in the House and Senate, not because he's basically someone with the skill level of a cashier trying to run a sovereign nation.

Did the institution of Social Security and the resulting financial unsustainability convince people once and for all that a government entitlement for retirement is a bad idea? Or did it condition entire generations to accept this government control over their lives as beneficial and necessary? The government dug it's nails into health care, screwing it all up and sending prices spiraling out of control. Did this convince anyone once and for all that we need to permanently extricate government from the health care industry? Or were the problems successfully blamed on other factors, and more and more government intervention demanded?

People don't learn. There are a million different narratives that can be used to explain any given sequence of historical events. The one that is chosen isn't the most logical or scientific, it's the most politically favorable one. The only way to change their minds is to change the curriculum of their high school history classes.

The worst thing you can do is to allow the house to burn down just so you can say "I told you so". Because by then no one is listening to you, and no one remembers what you said ARE you a socialist? You appear to believe Bernie's socialism is going to work and not fail.

brandon
09-16-2015, 09:15 AM
I'm not sure who I'd be willing to vote for yet. Possibly Carson? I'd consider Trump more seriously if he was less of an authoritarian with his whole give police unlimited power BS.

The main thing I'm looking for is a candidate that is going to be able to establish America as the peaceful world hegemon. Continue Obama's efforts of restoring diplomatic relations and keep America the tech, finance, and culture leader of the world.

brandon
09-16-2015, 09:17 AM
I also feel like to some extent it doesn't matter who wins. All the candidates either want to help the poor or help the rich, of which I am neither.

DevilsAdvocate
09-16-2015, 09:35 AM
ARE you a socialist? You appear to believe Bernie's socialism is going to work and not fail.

Yeah, it'll fail. Then capitalism and greedy business will be blamed, and the people will eat it up because the media said so. If they couldn't learn from the fall of the Soviet Union, why do you have faith that they'll learn their lesson from the fall of America? It does not matter who was right and who was wrong after the fact. All that matters is who gets their ideas implemented, who wins the battle today.

I learned this long ago. We had a group test, I alone knew the answer. Me and my group mates all had a huge argument, I timidly backed down and let them hand in the wrong answer. We got no points and our group lost the exercise. After the fact nobody acknowledged that I had been right. Everyone went back to chatting about their day, or about what he said she said in the bathroom yesterday. I learned right then that it does not matter who was right and who was wrong after the fact. All that matters is what answer was written on that piece of paper. All that mattered was who got their way.

You really don't think Obama was bad enough? You want America to suffer even more just so you can say "I told you so" again? Because they aren't going to listen to you, they aren't going to learn from their mistakes.

Meanwhile, while he is in power, Sanders will take steps to permanently alter the voting base and the institutions of the country to solidify a power structure that will maintain socialism in future elections. By manipulating demographics. By manipulating voting districts. By manipulating the educational system. By getting people in key positions to spread his influence and permanently etch socialism into America's skin. Look at the sadistic and pervasive influence the Bush family had on the Republican party. Look at how Obama has flooded the court system, the military hierarchy, the educational system, and the IRS with his loyalists, who will be there until Kingdom Come. The echoes of Obama will be around like a bad smell for 50 years or more.

This pervasive influence will have its desired effects. More kids will be raised into liberal culture. More people will be placed on welfare. More immigrants will be brought in from 3rd world nations. All of these factors will permanently shift the voting habits of the country. The structure for a permanent irreversible slide to the left is being constructed. It already has to a great extent.

klamath
09-16-2015, 09:49 AM
Yeah, it'll fail. Then capitalism and greedy business will be blamed, and the people will eat it up because the media said so. If they couldn't learn from the fall of the Soviet Union, why do you have faith that they'll learn their lesson from the fall of America? It does not matter who was right and who was wrong after the fact. All that matters is who gets their ideas implemented, who wins the battle today.

I learned this long ago. We had a group test, I alone knew the answer. Me and my group mates all had a huge argument, I timidly backed down and let them hand in the wrong answer. We got no points and our group lost the exercise. After the fact nobody acknowledged that I had been right. Everyone went back to chatting about their day, or about what he said she said in the bathroom yesterday. I learned right then that it does not matter who was right and who was wrong after the fact. All that matters is what answer was written on that piece of paper. All that mattered was who got their way.

You really don't think Obama was bad enough? You want America to suffer even more just so you can say "I told you so" again? Because they aren't going to listen to you, they aren't going to learn from their mistakes.

Meanwhile, while he is in power, Sanders will take steps to permanently alter the voting base and the institutions of the country to solidify a power structure that will maintain socialism in future elections. By manipulating demographics. By manipulating voting districts. By manipulating the educational system. By getting people in key positions to spread his influence and permanently etch socialism into America's skin. Look at the sadistic and pervasive influence the Bush family had on the Republican party. Look at how Obama has flooded the court system, the military hierarchy, the educational system, and the IRS with his loyalists, who will be there until Kingdom Come. The echoes of Obama will be around like a bad smell for 50 years or more.

This pervasive influence will have its desired effects. More kids will be raised into liberal culture. More people will be placed on welfare. More immigrants will be brought in from 3rd world nations. All of these factors will permanently shift the voting habits of the country. The structure for a permanent irreversible slide to the left is being constructed. It already has to a great extent.It is what it is. Thank Trump and the GOP.

DevilsAdvocate
09-16-2015, 09:50 AM
Case in point, the Cuban people suffered under the iron heel of Communism for over 50 years. Because of the memory of this experience, they became reliable Republican voters. Looks like they learned from the mistakes of the past didn't they? How long did that trend last?

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/06/24/after-decades-of-gop-support-cubans-shifting-toward-the-democratic-party/

15 years ago 64% of Cubans voted Republican. Nowadays it's fallen to below 50%. Very soon there will be more Cuban Democrats than Republicans. This is after the horror of 50 YEARS of Communism! Now you tell me, what will it take for America to permanently learn it's lesson? A century of Communism? Two centuries? A thousand years?

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Now are you starting to get it? Losing is not a strategy. You can't hope that by losing, people will learn their lesson and change their minds. People are stupid like that.

All that matters is that you win the battle today. It's not about convincing people, it's about winning

luctor-et-emergo
09-16-2015, 10:08 AM
Nobody but Rand.

DisneyFan
09-16-2015, 10:42 AM
Besides Rand, the only person who is currently running that I'd even consider voting for in the general if he won the nom is Cruz. I have no interest in people whose records suggest that they will be moderates or leftists (e.g. Rubio, Jeb) or those who want to be named President of the most powerful country in the world despite never having held any other political office (Trump, Carson, Fiorina).

Dary
09-16-2015, 10:49 AM
...who would you vote for, if anyone in the general election?...

That's easy.

Ron Paul.

Rad
09-16-2015, 11:08 AM
Do something productive other than voting ;)

rg17
09-16-2015, 04:08 PM
Eric Cartman

Sola_Fide
09-16-2015, 04:10 PM
Write-in Ron Paul.

cajuncocoa
09-16-2015, 04:12 PM
As Rand Paul stays low in the polls, there is an increasing chance that he will not win the nomination from the GOP. If that happens, who would you vote for, if anyone in the general election? Has anyone thought of their next best option after Rand?
NO ONE BUT PAUL.

cindy25
09-16-2015, 05:44 PM
the Dems will nominate Biden-Warren, who could win. even in 2020 given the demographic changes Warren could win. Biden would have 3 SCOTUS appointees, so the SC is gone for a generation.

kfarnan
09-17-2015, 11:02 PM
Write-in Ron Paul.

+1

ThePaleoLibertarian
09-18-2015, 03:57 AM
I would vote for any of the Republicans other than Bush, Santorum or Christie over Hillary, Bernie or Biden. America can't handle anymore "progress", and giving any of the latter three control of the SCOTUS nominations would be an irreversible disaster.

Matt McGuire
09-18-2015, 06:46 AM
I would vote for any of the Republicans other than Bush, Santorum or Christie over Hillary, Bernie or Biden. America can't handle anymore "progress", and giving any of the latter three control of the SCOTUS nominations would be an irreversible disaster.

Graham?

Anti Federalist
09-18-2015, 02:05 PM
I will do what I did in 2008.

And again in 2012.

I will write in Ron Paul.

ThePaleoLibertarian
09-18-2015, 02:12 PM
Graham?
No, not him either.

milgram
09-18-2015, 02:22 PM
I'm definitely voting for someone, if only to infinitesimally diminish the "mandate" of whomever wins.
But if Rand is at minimum on the ticket as VP I'd strongly consider GOP.

r3volution 3.0
09-18-2015, 09:10 PM
If Rand's not the nominee, I'll vote third party, either Libertarian Party or Constitution Party.

Unregistered
09-18-2015, 09:46 PM
I will vote for the Libertarian party Candidate

euphemia
09-18-2015, 09:56 PM
The candidates have not yet been thoroughly vetted. This was the big mistake Dems made with Obama and are about to make again. Republicans are not done yet.

TheTexan
09-18-2015, 10:17 PM
Gonna write in Trump if he doesnt win nomination

TheTexan
09-18-2015, 10:18 PM
I'm definitely voting for someone, if only to infinitesimally diminish the "mandate" of whomever wins.

Yes, voting -- for somebody -- is the duty of each American.

Thank you.

Yehudi
09-18-2015, 10:19 PM
Gonna write in Trump if he doesnt win nomination
The important thing is voting.

PierzStyx
09-19-2015, 03:08 AM
As Rand Paul stays low in the polls, there is an increasing chance that he will not win the nomination from the GOP. If that happens, who would you vote for, if anyone in the general election? Has anyone thought of their next best option after Rand?

Only one way I'm voting in 2016:

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