Rand was sick during the Fox News Debate

[Brett85]

According to Huckabee at the 0:53 mark of this video. I thought that Rand didn't really look very good or seem like himself during the debate.

http://video.foxnews.com/v/4408034216001/mike-huckabee-talks-gop-debate-red-state-gathering/?#sp=show-clips

[DevilsAdvocate]

You'd think politicians get sick alot from all the handshakes and hugs.

[garyallen59]

I wonder why Huckabee felt the need to point that out without prompting.

[DevilsAdvocate]

I wonder why Huckabee felt the need to point that out without prompting.

Maybe he's just a real nice guy

[Jan2017]

sick and tired of Faux News . (period)

[dannno]

I thought this thread was going to be about how great he did...

[robertwerden]

Points to Huck on that.

[anaconda]

Rand didn't look sick at all. You can tell if someone has a fever by looking at their face. And he was not congested at all. Huck is huckstering.

[anaconda]

I thought this thread was going to be about how great he did...

Oh, now I see. Huck meant "sick" as in "awesome."

[Anti Federalist]

For those too young to remember or not even born yet,


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnOnDatqENo

[Brett85]

I thought this thread was going to be about how great he did...

The only people who think that he did great are his hardcore supporters. The reviews are negative everywhere else. You don't come across as being Presidential when you're yelling, ranting, and raving on the debate stage. Rand is going to have to have a much better performance during the CNN debate in mid September. Hopefully he'll be healthy for that debate.

[dannno]

The only people who think he did bad were those who pretend Trump's comebacks had any sort of intellectual components.

[Brett85]

The only people who think he did bad were those who pretend Trump's comebacks had any sort of intellectual components.

I'm not even saying that Trump got the best of him, just that Rand didn't come across well to the average voter. I'm simply looking at the data that's coming in. I think Rand would be better off being more calm for the next debate. He can still go after Trump and some of the others but not actually act out of control on the debate stage.

[jj-]

The only people who think he did bad

and that happens to be the entire world outside of RonPaulForums, at least regarding the Trump exchange.

The Christie exchange was much better for Rand.

[anaconda]

You don't come across as being Presidential when you're yelling, ranting, and raving

It worked fine in Germany in 1933, and the people were smarter then than now. Trump is #1 by yelling, ranting, and raving. People like a fighter in certain circumstances.

[jj-]

It worked fine in Germany in 1933.

after hyperinflation.

[eleganz]

Haven't been sick for quite a few years now but I remember that being sick and having to do something other than resting is just a fucked up feeling.

[Matt Collins]

Dunno.... if you look at Rand's interview earlier in the day he didn't look sick at all. In fact he looked quite energized

[Jackie Moon]

Maybe he's just a real nice guy

Yeah, whatever differences they have they are probably at least on friendly terms... and Huck wanted to make clear that Rand wasn't just being standoffish in the photo that was taken of him standing away from the group on the elevator.

[RandFTW]

When the debate was ending all of the candidates were shaking hands. Rand walked up to one man, shook his hand, met his family on stage, and walked off stage whilst the other contenders were still flapping gums. From what I remember it was Huck's hand Rand shook. If my memory serves me correctly, does this indicate an alliance forming? Or coming to light? Or something along those lines?

[anaconda]

When the debate was ending all of the candidates were shaking hands. Rand walked up to one man, shook his hand, met his family on stage, and walked off stage whilst the other contenders were still flapping gums. From what I remember it was Huck's hand Rand shook. If my memory serves me correctly, does this indicate an alliance forming? Or coming to light? Or something along those lines?

Hmmm...interesting tidbit. Paul/Huck 2016?

[GopBlackList]

It was an atta boy moment for Rand :D

[RandFTW]

Hmmm...interesting tidbit. Paul/Huck 2016?

Would that make sense in a hypothetical general election? Huckabee holds the Bible Belt, Rands picks up the swing states and together they hold the red states. It's too late for me to do basic math....lol

[anaconda]

Would that make sense in a hypothetical general election? Huckabee holds the Bible Belt, Rands picks up the swing states and together they hold the red states. It's too late for me to do basic math....lol

Huck would have to talk up Rand's economic platform in a big way. And criminal justice reform.

[RandFTW]

Huck would have to talk up Rand's economic platform in a big way. And criminal justice reform.

It's hard to work out in my mind. I'm passionate about the liberty movement but based on the population I'm submerged in (ny super blue) it's seems like these 2 men are both seen as fringe candidates to the common voter so even if this did end up being the plan, you might have it backwards. With huck currently polling higher, it might be Huck prez, Rand veep( I know, I hate to even think it).

[squirl22]

The only people who think that he did great are his hardcore supporters. The reviews are negative everywhere else. You don't come across as being Presidential when you're yelling, ranting, and raving on the debate stage

And Trump is presidential?

The only people who think he did badly are the ones who believe everything they read in the msm.

[65fastback2+2]

The only people who think that he did great are his hardcore supporters. The reviews are negative everywhere else. You don't come across as being Presidential when you're yelling, ranting, and raving on the debate stage. Rand is going to have to have a much better performance during the CNN debate in mid September. Hopefully he'll be healthy for that debate.

dang, i just got to work after the weekend and was dreading getting to my office, but you made me laugh so hard, I feel good about today already.

Lets review all the "negative reviews everywhere else"

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Let me know if you need more, I would be glad to keep listing all these "hardcore supporters" lol

[65fastback2+2]

And Trump is presidential?

The only people who think he did badly are the ones who believe everything they read in the msm.

yup...people want a President who wont be a pushover.

Rand said he's different, and he wont back down. His firey exchange with Christie was proof positive that he is backing what he said. People want to see that.

[Brett85]

^^^You can put your head in the sand if you want to, but some of us want Rand to make changes so that he can actually turn his campaign around and make himself competitive in this race.

[acptulsa]

dang, i just got to work after the weekend and was dreading getting to my office, but you made me laugh so hard, I feel good about today already.

Lets review all the "negative reviews everywhere else"

https://scontent-dfw1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/11825819_10153265420511107_3175859311064416592_n.p ng?oh=d610328818c8355803b5f2f2ba3dc840&oe=563A7BBBhttps://scontent-dfw1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/11855831_10153265420516107_2930215047432225433_n.p ng?oh=37b6347a7b87f742a8b20992f6d638c1&oe=5643892Bhttps://scontent-dfw1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/11229966_10153265420526107_3850012001768497277_n.p ng?oh=ec00bf7db525b4db06dcda132ec1593b&oe=56506CC4https://scontent-dfw1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtf1/v/t1.0-9/11846748_10153265420521107_5307637523389946925_n.p ng?oh=fda0410a54479530dfb0c0d97d31d86f&oe=564228B7
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Let me know if you need more, I would be glad to keep listing all these "hardcore supporters" lol

Don't forget that 'hardcore supporter' called the New York Times, which said his debate performance kept him in the race.


^^^You can put your head in the sand if you want to, but some of us want Rand to make changes so that he can actually turn his campaign around and make himself competitive in this race.

You are falling for the official trolling. Do you also think Fiorina, Cruz and Christie all turned in spectacular debate performances, which is the other pablum the MSM is spoon feeding you? Do you also believe these latest rigged internet polls, which are being presented as serious polls in some places? Do you really take it seriously when the trolls blathering around here say he should go up against Trump for the title 'Biggest Asshole' even as you demand he tone it down enough to rival Carson for the title 'Weakest Milquetoast'?

[Brett85]

Don't forget that 'hardcore supporter' called the New York Times, which said his debate performance kept him in the race.

3% of voters felt that Rand won the debate, 14% thought he lost the debate. The only person who got a higher percentage of people who said that he lost the debate was Trump.

http://www.pdf.investintech.com/preview/33f7458c-3ec9-11e5-9555-002590d31986/index.html

And yes, it's a scientific poll. And no, it's not like Glenn Beck or Drudge's polls. They pick which polls to include based on the same demographics that other pollsters use.

[Brett85]

You are falling for the official trolling. Do you also think Fiorina, Cruz and Christie all turned in spectacular debate performances, which is the other pablum the MSM is spoon feeding you? Do you also believe these latest rigged internet polls, which are being presented as serious polls in some places? Do you really take it seriously when the trolls blathering around here say he should go up against Trump for the title 'Biggest Asshole' even as you demand he tone it down enough to rival Carson for the title 'Weakest Milquetoast'?

I look at the data coming in and look at it objectively. So no, Christie didn't have a good debate performance at all, but Fiorina and Cruz did. These numbers could still change, but Prediction Markets are usually pretty accurate in their predictions. We will also likely see more post debate polls in the next day or two, so we won't have to wait long.

https://www.predictit.org/Home/SingleMarket?marketId=1509#sthash.MrmWbiZY.9wejbC3 n.dpbs

[acptulsa]

3% of voters felt that Rand won the debate, 14% thought he lost the debate. The only person who got a higher percentage of people who said that he lost the debate was Trump. Again, get your head out of the sand.

Fox started telling them who won and who lost before the debate started. Don't tell me who has his head in the sand. This horse race hasn't reached the quarter mile post and there are people here crying that we should all give up and jump off the cliff. Don't buy it. Don't be a lemming. Iowa will be another day.


And yes, it's a scientific poll. And no, it's not like Glenn Beck or Drudge's polls. They pick which polls to include based on the same demographics that other pollsters use.

Do you know what a 'blended whiskey' is? That's where you take several inferior whiskeys that all taste like crap, and add a little of this one and a little of that one until you get something that sort of tastes the way you want it to taste.

That is even easier to do with numbers than with whiskeys.

None of this is any reason to join with the doom and gloom trolls and call for Rand Paul to fire his whole staff, give up on Iowa, flip flop on everything he ever said, stop fighting for liberty in the Senate and spend all his time on the campaign trail, embrace his father's supporters and simultaneously abandon his father's supporters, pander to criminals and pander to cops, and simultaneously try to out-asshole Trump and out-milquetoast Carson, the way the trolls are trying to get us to clamor for him to do.

You seem to think these concern trolls want him to win. I assure you they do not.

[Brett85]

And there's nothing wrong with going after the other candidates, but Rand needs to look more professional and Presidential in my opinion. He needs to keep more of a poker face when the other candidates are speaking, rather than smirking and rolling his eyes.

[acptulsa]

And there's nothing wrong with going after the other candidates, but Rand needs to look more professional and Presidential in my opinion. He needs to keep more of a poker face when the other candidates are speaking, rather than smirking and rolling his eyes.

Did it ever occur to you that if you want the man to win, you should ask not what the campaign can do for you, but ask instead what you can do for the campaign?

I don't think being a Monday morning quarterback is real high on that list.

[Brett85]

@acptulsa, I don't want Rand to give up, but just change some things. One of the things I mentioned in the above post. I also don't think that it makes sense to go campaign in states like Texas and Michigan, rather than campaigning in the early states like Iowa and New Hampshire that he absolutely has to win. I also don't believe that it's a good idea to skip events where he could get his ideas heard, like the Red State gathering and Family Leader events. I really don't know what Rand's strategy is, but it just isn't a good strategy and isn't working in my opinion. John McCain had a huge staff shakeup and started doing things completely differently in the summer of 2007 when he was polling about where Rand is now, and he ended up winning the GOP nomination. I think if Rand's poll numbers stay where they're at right now for the next month or so, it's not a crazy idea to suggest that Rand should have a staff change.

[65fastback2+2]

^^^You can put your head in the sand if you want to, but some of us want Rand to make changes so that he can actually turn his campaign around and make himself competitive in this race.

The changes you are talking about will SHRINK his poll numbers and push him out of the race. I guess you would prefer he not win ala Ron.

[GopBlackList]

Fox started telling them who won and who lost before the debate started. Don't tell me who has his head in the sand. This horse race hasn't reached the quarter mile post and there are people here crying that we should all give up and jump off the cliff. Don't buy it. Don't be a lemming. Iowa will be another day.



Do you know what a 'blended whiskey' is? That's where you take several inferior whiskeys that all taste like crap, and add a little of this one and a little of that one until you get something that sort of tastes the way you want it to taste.

That is even easier to do with numbers than with whiskeys.

None of this is any reason to join with the doom and gloom trolls and call for Rand Paul to fire his whole staff, give up on Iowa, flip flop on everything he ever said, stop fighting for liberty in the Senate and spend all his time on the campaign trail, embrace his father's supporters and simultaneously abandon his father's supporters, pander to criminals and pander to cops, and simultaneously try to out-asshole Trump and out-milquetoast Carson, the way the trolls are trying to get us to clamor for him to do.

You seem to think these concern trolls want him to win. I assure you they do not.

Too late, Rand has already flip flopped and sold out to the "conservatives". Now he sounds like every other whacked Republican.

[65fastback2+2]

3% of voters felt that Rand won the debate, 14% thought he lost the debate. The only person who got a higher percentage of people who said that he lost the debate was Trump.

http://www.pdf.investintech.com/preview/33f7458c-3ec9-11e5-9555-002590d31986/index.html

And yes, it's a scientific poll. And no, it's not like Glenn Beck or Drudge's polls. They pick which polls to include based on the same demographics that other pollsters use.

wait...you mean, the candidate that was hidden and given the smallest talk time would poll to have lost the debate?! NO....i dont even believe that is possible.

/sarcasm

Correct interpretation: Rand was marginalized and hidden in the debate to purposefully hurt him.

[GopBlackList]

And there's nothing wrong with going after the other candidates, but Rand needs to look more professional and Presidential in my opinion. He needs to keep more of a poker face when the other candidates are speaking, rather than smirking and rolling his eyes.

I think that's a huge issue Rand needs to address. I sometimes think he's not interested in winning.

[acptulsa]

I think that's a huge issue Rand needs to address. I sometimes think he's not interested in winning.

You constantly hope he's not interested in winning. Every time you log on, you try to find ways to make us lose interest in him winning. And the only huge issues you hope he will address are his strengths. You want him to convert them to weaknesses.

So, why is it again that you think we're stupid enough to listen to you?

[timosman]

http://businessnewsusa.org/news/politics/top-10-gop-presidential-contenders-fit-elevator-article-1.2318950

At least they are not trying to portray Rand as an outcast. :rolleyes:

http://assets.businessnewsusa.org/polopoly_fs/1.2318949.1439013984%21/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_635/elevator8n-1-web.jpg


The top tier of the GOP presidential field actually fits in one elevator, they proved after Thursday night’s debate.

Sarah Huckabee Sanders snapped a photo of her father Mike in an elevator with the other nine participants in the Republicans’ first presidential debate in Cleveland.

Scott Walker stares grinning at the ceiling, while Donald Trump seems to be smirking across the elevator. Jeb Bush and John Kasich are chatting as Marco Rubio looks on, while Ben Carson gesticulates to make a point to Ted Cruz, Chris Christie, and Huckabee. Rand Paul, with his contrarian streak, appears to be standing aloof in the corner.

[65fastback2+2]

And there's nothing wrong with going after the other candidates, but Rand needs to look more professional and Presidential in my opinion. He needs to keep more of a poker face when the other candidates are speaking, rather than smirking and rolling his eyes.

Disagree. Though I would CHANGE what he does, I would definitely say no to the poker face. Poker face says "I am not listening".

A smirk and an eye-roll while someone else is speaking displays "you're wrong"...I would prefer shaking his head no, instead.

Nothing wrong with some good non-verbal communication to communicate while you're verbally supposed to keep quiet. Very powerful.

[timosman]

Disagree. Though I would CHANGE what he does, I would definitely say no to the poker face. Poker face says "I am not listening".

A smirk and an eye-roll while someone else is speaking displays "you're wrong"...I would prefer shaking his head no, instead.

Nothing wrong with some good non-verbal communication to communicate while you're verbally supposed to keep quiet. Very powerful.

This was already discussed but I will say it again. They eye roll would have been great if Rand had been maintaining cool composure for the reminder of the debate. Unfortunately he looked desperate during Trump attacks. The overall impression after the debate - randy.

[Jan2017]

He did that well while sick ?

[Ronin Truth]

Did he bring in a note from his Mom? :rolleyes:

[RonPaulGeorge&Ringo]

He was probably poisoned. This ain't tiddlywinks. Rand and his people need to think carefully about his food supply chain.

[timosman]

He was probably poisoned. This ain't tiddlywinks. Rand and his people need to think carefully about his food supply chain.

Food taster - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food_taster ?

[AuH20]

The only people who think that he did great are his hardcore supporters. The reviews are negative everywhere else. You don't come across as being Presidential when you're yelling, ranting, and raving on the debate stage. Rand is going to have to have a much better performance during the CNN debate in mid September. Hopefully he'll be healthy for that debate.

Whomever attacks Trump goes down in the polls. You don't swim upstream but rather with the current.

[Jan2017]

He did that well while sick ?


3% of voters felt that Rand won the debate, 14% thought he lost the debate. The only person who got a higher percentage of people who said that he lost the debate was Trump.

scientific hocus-pocus . . . 83 % did what ?

scientific . . . people that were polled that didn't actually watch it all . . . channel surfed and then were told what to think . . .
how clever.

Should we just admit Carly and the billion dollar babies . . .


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMkT-0i6e9I

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[Ronin Truth]

Whomever attacks Trump goes down in the polls. You don't swim upstream but rather with the current.

"In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock." -- Thomas Jefferson

[Crashland]

And there's nothing wrong with going after the other candidates, but Rand needs to look more professional and Presidential in my opinion. He needs to keep more of a poker face when the other candidates are speaking, rather than smirking and rolling his eyes.

Personally I love the smirk. Much better to smirk than to look down. The eyeroll not so much

[Mr.NoSmile]

Sick? Let's not start coming up with excuses, really.

[mwkaufman]

Rand needs more smirking not less. A smirk is much more powerful body language than shaking no. How often is the person shaking their head no right versus how often is a smirker right? Rand is up on stage with very wealthy and powerful individuals that say a lot of dumb shit that he can't respond to all of 30 seconds at a time. By smirking he lets the viewers fill in the blank, he doesn't need or want to say enough about 9/11 already, but by smirking he makes the time Christie is speaking time that he himself is sending a message.

Compare that to all the facetime Scott Walker spent goofily nodding to Carson's stories. The only thing he accomplished with minutes of facetime was to say, hey this Carson guy is pretty smart, we should listen to him. And implicitly, not Scott Walker.

[Peace&Freedom]

Perhaps Rand was sick of being second guessed, cut down, underestimated, accused of every failing under the sun, and otherwise written off five months before the primaries start. Or perhaps he was weakened by the poisonous aroma of Superbowl level authoritarian ego that was saturating across the debate stage. I think if he wears a gas mask, or we display just a bit more patient faith in him, he'll perform better in the polls and debates to come in the next few months.

[anaconda]

It's hard to work out in my mind. I'm passionate about the liberty movement but based on the population I'm submerged in (ny super blue) it's seems like these 2 men are both seen as fringe candidates to the common voter so even if this did end up being the plan, you might have it backwards. With huck currently polling higher, it might be Huck prez, Rand veep( I know, I hate to even think it).

Yes, I agree that your reversal is potentially more viable. I almost wrote it both ways in my post. I only meant that they might be a viable ticket together in one way or another. In the end, the sheep will likely vote for the establishment candidates once again.

Welcome to the RPF, RandFTW, and I hope to see many more of your unbiased and thoughtful posts.

[Liberty74]

I'm not even saying that Trump got the best of him, just that Rand didn't come across well to the average voter. I'm simply looking at the data that's coming in. I think Rand would be better off being more calm for the next debate. He can still go after Trump and some of the others but not actually act out of control on the debate stage.

The data? Based on what? The FN pundits and Rush who claimed Rand did the worst and that Trump and Christie got the upper hand? By the crowd's reaction during the debate we know that not to be the case. Hence the memo to attack Rand.

If FN and Rush actually said the opposite, the data today would be totally different and Rand would be rising...

[Liberty74]

Whomever attacks Trump goes down in the polls. You don't swim upstream but rather with the current.

Carly anyone?

[RandFTW]

Yes, I agree that your reversal is potentially more viable. I almost wrote it both ways in my post. I only meant that they might be a viable ticket together in one way or another. In the end, the sheep will likely vote for the establishment candidates once again.

Welcome to the RPF, RandFTW, and I hope to see many more of your unbiased and thoughtful posts.

Thanks man. I'll be floating around...

[RonPaulGeorge&Ringo]

Food taster - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food_taster ?

That unfortunately won't really work, especially if you're talking about a poison that only makes you mildly (not violently) sick an hour or more later. The key is not to order any food that has to be prepared specifically for Rand, especially in the hours leading up to big media events. Go get a pre-prepared and wrapped sandwich from Starbucks or something -- something that isn't prepared or otherwise handled by someone who knows (or could know, if informed by spotters) who the food is for. And don't leave the snacks or ice chests or minifridges unguarded either.

[anaconda]

Thanks man. I'll be floating around...

Please do.