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Suzanimal
08-03-2015, 09:00 AM
When the first group of US-trained fighters were inserted into Syria on Friday, Washington experienced a great shock. Tasked with fighting alongside al-Qaeda's Syrian franchise, the Nusra Front, Washington's newest proxy army in Syria was expected be welcomed by the group. Instead, Washington's proxies, known as Division 30, were attacked by the Nusra Front with several fighters taken hostage. Quoting a senior Obama Administration official, the New York Times reported that Washington "expected the Nusra Front to welcome Division 30 as an ally in its fight against the Islamic State."

Said another US official: "This wasn’t supposed to happen like this.”

Let's pause for a moment and think about US strategy in Syria. Fourteen years after the attacks of September 11, 2001, it is official Washington policy to create armed and trained al-Qaeda allies in Syria. Yes, it wasn't supposed to happen like this.

The attack on Washington's proxy army shocked Washington's "experts," but it did not shock them enough to re-think the four year long effort to oust Syrian President Assad. It was this effort, of course, which created the atmosphere in which ISIS has over-run much of the country and threatens to take the rest of it as well. There was no ISIS in Syria before the US decided on regime change. This is similar to Iraq, where it was only the US invasion that produced a working al-Qaeda presence in the country. There was no al-Qaeda in Iraq prior to the US "liberation."

But as according to past practices in Washington, when a particular foreign policy produces results counter to stated goals it not time to re-think the strategy but to double-down.

Therefore, as the Wall Street Journal reported over the weekend, President Obama has for the first time authorized the US military to attack Syrian government forces if they threaten Washington's regime change army. The battle has been joined.

While it has been expected that Turkey's opening up Incirlik airbase to US jets attacking ISIS in Syria signaled a move toward a "no-fly zone" in a small part of northern Syria, President Obama has upped the ante considerably and declared that the Syrian military is a fair target wherever it roams inside the country.

This move is a declaration of war on Syria, while Congress continues to be completely uninterested in its Constitutional obligations. Indeed in this new war it is Congress that is AWOL.

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libertarianMoney
08-03-2015, 09:32 AM
Obligatory sarcasm: What?!? Government starting an illegal war? No way... I don't believe it.

I remember being surprised when the whole escalation towards a war in Syria seemed to die down. I guess they just wised up and played it the way they always do (without a lick of publicity until it's too late.)

rg17
08-03-2015, 09:54 AM
The Debt will sky rocket now!

Barrex
08-03-2015, 10:11 AM
http://i.ytimg.com/vi/eOifa1WrOnQ/maxresdefault.jpg

Uriel999
08-03-2015, 04:15 PM
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Seriously...it is sad this isn't an onion article.

Tywysog Cymru
08-03-2015, 08:48 PM
Rand needs to speak up about this.

Ronin Truth
08-04-2015, 03:46 PM
Is Obama reading a different CONstitution? :confused:

Uriel999
08-04-2015, 05:41 PM
Is Obama reading a different CONstitution? :confused:

The whitehouse hasn't seen a copy since the 1860s

rg17
08-04-2015, 05:48 PM
Today is Obama's birthday. :rolleyes: His gifts are for more wars! :mad:

DamianTV
08-04-2015, 06:47 PM
And the MSM Media continues to focus on Cecil the Lion.

"If the people no longer care if we are at war or not, why bother to even tell them?"

rg17
08-04-2015, 06:51 PM
And the MSM Media continues to focus on Cecil the Lion.

"If the people no longer care if we are at war or not, why bother to even tell them?"

The MSM distraction agenda is working quite well.

Dianne
08-04-2015, 07:02 PM
Boehner and McConnell are hitting McConnell's father in laws cocaine as we speak. They don't have time .. Can you blame them? What would you do, if you were a rich drug addict with the NSA ready to expose the fact within a fraction of time.

Just let them get high, and hope they overdose and die.

enhanced_deficit
08-04-2015, 09:49 PM
Congress is tied up:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?467296-Israel-s-Netanyahu-%E2%80%98spat-in-our-face-%E2%80%99-White-House-officials-say&p=5944740&viewfull=1#post5944740

timosman
08-04-2015, 09:52 PM
Is Obama reading a different CONstitution? :confused:

He is a constitutional lawyer ! Does anybody know what it really means ?

Anti Federalist
08-04-2015, 09:57 PM
Is Obama reading a different CONstitution? :confused:


Section. 2.

The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States

All legal, all CONstitutional.

Anti Federalist
08-04-2015, 09:58 PM
Congress is tied up:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?467296-Israel-s-Netanyahu-%E2%80%98spat-in-our-face-%E2%80%99-White-House-officials-say&p=5944740&viewfull=1#post5944740

Oh, I thought that was going to link to an escort guide for DC.

Anti Federalist
08-04-2015, 10:00 PM
And the MSM Media continues to focus on Cecil the Lion.

"If the people no longer care if we are at war or not, why bother to even tell them?"

http://manilovefilms.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/ass_idiocracy.jpg

AngryCanadian
08-05-2015, 02:20 AM
And the MSM Media continues to focus on Cecil the Lion.

"If the people no longer care if we are at war or not, why bother to even tell them?"

I love how the westren news media claims now that alleged hunter has gone off the grid, maybe thats problary that alleged dentist didn't even exist? surely now if that dentist existed and lived in that area part of town where the protesters stopped at the clinic.

Why couldn't they just stop him?
This is whole Cecil the lion is a mass media hogwash.

Aratus
01-15-2020, 08:22 AM
Golden Oldie topic bump

timosman
01-15-2020, 08:47 AM
Golden Oldie topic bump

Are you drunk again? :sorrow:

Aratus
01-15-2020, 08:54 AM
luv.... are you stoned again?

Schifference
01-15-2020, 09:35 AM
Golden Oldie topic bump

Is there some significance in 2020 to bump this thread?

Aratus
01-15-2020, 09:40 AM
i had hoped Assad would fall. i see in 2015 BHO at least sorta got much of Congress to agree with him, but this incident
as a precedent cuts both ways. Trump has been less "street legal" than Obama on a given day, but BHO also found gray
areas and loopholes. Trump has high odds of a 3rd Article being voted on, if Speaker Nancy Pelosi is PO'ed at him, i feel.

Aratus
01-15-2020, 09:42 AM
From what i can see, many of the Democrats who are upset over DJT's Iran policy did tend to back Obama up in a likewise situation.

Schifference
01-15-2020, 09:44 AM
The chess explanation is that Trump did it to end war powers and get congress to take away the power from president.

Aratus
01-15-2020, 09:50 AM
true........dat. :) Andrew Johnson, U.S Grant and the election of 1868 suggest that to me. Deliberately be more confrontational
than Number 17 is said to be, then go on a speaking tour, a classic whistle-stop tour of the good ole USA as your rivals are thusly
tethered to the D.C area by law, as your lawyers argue your case in the trial of the century, the NEW one! DJT = crazy like a fox
but it could backfire. it has him all over the news, and he does not suffer from phlebitis the way Richard Milhous Nixon once did.