just wow - they are really trying to hammer Rand before August debate

[Lord Xar]

In the last day, I've seen two negative stories on Rand's campaign on front page of Yahoo.....

They are really trying to make people believe it is a sinking ship, so they jump --- thus reducing Rand's polling and say "ooops, you didn't make the top 10 cut".

This is sickening.....

It is soooooooooo apparent what they are doing.

[dannno]

If you can't attack him on the issues, attack him on electability.

[phill4paul]

Nature of the beast for a political outsider. We've seen it before. On a positive note the local paper has an political election page and today it featured Rand and did a great job even though they called him "quirky." :( I guess "quirky" is the new "quixotic".

[CPUd]

If people inside the campaign are talking to the press, the press is gonna print it.

[Lightweis]

In the last day, I've seen two negative stories on Rand's campaign on front page of Yahoo.....

They are really trying to make people believe it is a sinking ship, so they jump --- thus reducing Rand's polling and say "ooops, you didn't make the top 10 cut".

This is sickening.....

It is soooooooooo apparent what they are doing.

The ship has already sunk. Its obvious Rand is a bottom tier candidate by his fundraising numbers.

[dannno]

The ship has already sunk. Its obvious Rand is a bottom tier candidate by his fundraising numbers.

Incorrect, fundraising numbers come primarily from the establishment which has an unequal footing in the electoral process.

The debates haven't started yet - Ron Paul didn't get traction until almost 5 months after the first GOP debate in 2007.

[eleganz]

The ship has already sunk. Its obvious Rand is a bottom tier candidate by his fundraising numbers.

Nope, he is still on the top half of all candidates in fundraising.

Bottom tier would be Santorum, Fiorina, Jindal. If you think the ship has already sunk, are you going to jump?





The debates haven't started yet - Ron Paul didn't get traction until almost 5 months after the first GOP debate in 2007.

No Dannno, its actually easier to just give up before the debates even begin. :toady::toady:

[CPUd]

http://i.imgur.com/ngPtX13.gif

[mit26chell]

Well, his poll numbers and favorability ratings are steadily dropping, so he may not make the cutoff. I see the media already planting the stories.

[SilentBull]

And they're even convincing people on this forum to give up. Weak minds are easily manipulated.

[AuH20]

Weak campaign getting gored by the media at a low ebb? Not exactly shocking news.

[CPUd]

http://i.imgur.com/s9QrjPm.png

[eleganz]

And they're even convincing people on this forum to give up. Weak minds are easily manipulated.

Should make a list of all of the weak ones dumping on the campaign during the bad times and exposing them when they're cheerleading during the good times.

[SilentBull]

http://i.imgur.com/s9QrjPm.png

Yeah, I don't see how they can keep him out of the debate. The cuttoff is in 1 week. They would need 5 polls to come out before next Tuesday. Despite these negative stories I just don't see how he doesn't make the top 10 at this point.

[kbs021]

Rand is making cut. Leaving Rand out would probably give more attention at this point than they want... The measurements that they are using to say "Rand's campaign is failing" are not correct. National polls are irrelevant, Rand doesn't need the same amount of money that others need due to the inheritance of a solid ground game, etc." They never bring up that if Rand keeps the 20 percent in IA or NH then he probably wins those states. They are scared. Do you see these articles about Cruz, Huck, Carson, etc? No because aren't the threat. Why in the hell would you take these articles for face value?

[EBounding]

If Rand isn't going to make the cut, who exactly would be ahead of him in 8th-10th place?

[timosman]

If Rand isn't going to make the cut, who exactly would be ahead of him in 8th-10th place?

Letting him enter at the bottom of the pack will be as effective. 8th or 10th, who cares about the bottom of the barrel candidates. He has been marginalized already - http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?478282-Donald-Trump-STEAMROLLS-NBC-Reporter&p=5922313&viewfull=1#post5922313

[CPUd]

If Rand isn't going to make the cut, who exactly would be ahead of him in 8th-10th place?

It would be 3 of the following 7:
Christie, Kasich, Perry, Santorum, Jindal, Fiorina, Graham

[AuH20]

If Rand isn't going to make the cut, who exactly would be ahead of him in 8th-10th place?

He'll make the cut. That is the least of our problems.

[SilentBull]

When you find yourself wanting to give up, just remember that that is exactly what they want you to do when they post this kind of stuff, so they can continue their little game where nothing ever changes. Don't give them the satisfaction. Let's continue to be a pain in their ass until the fucking end!

The fact that they are doing this, this early, really shows what they actually think: that he can win it all! Otherwise they wouldn't be doing this right now. I read a quote somewhere that said most people quit just before they are about to finally succeed. Don't do that.

[kbs021]

Seriously who buys this garbage? People haven't even begun talking about policy yet. It reminds me of Fox's constant need to give viewers a "friendly reminder" that Ron had no shot.. If that was the case their would be no need to say it. We are going to win IA and NH. Phone from home is coming back within the next day or so. Let's get it done and win this thing.

[timosman]

When you find yourself wanting to give up, just remember that that is exactly what they want you to do when they post this kind of stuff, so they can continue their little game where nothing ever changes. Don't give them the satisfaction. Let's continue to be a pain in their ass until the fucking end!

The fact that they are doing this, this early, really shows what they actually think: that he can win it all! Otherwise they wouldn't be doing this right now. I read a quote somewhere that said most people quit just before they are about to finally succeed. Don't do that.

Do not fool yourself. There is no fire in the belly in our candidate. Maybe next time. He has an all important trip to Haiti coming up soon.

[acptulsa]

Well, at least they're mentioning his name. Which could be good. If they want to set the bar high, let them.

I think Rand Paul knows he's about to get, like, seven minutes total to speak in the debate. Let's hope that every second they turn his microphone on, he makes them regret it.


Do not fool yourself. There is no fire in the belly in our candidate. Maybe next time. He has an all important trip to Haiti coming up soon.

I daresay you're right.

So, just out of curiosity, who is your candidate?

[thoughtomator]

Doesn't matter if he gets in the debates if they only give him 30 seconds like they did to his dad.

But in the big picture, Rand simply isn't attracting any attention, and he's on the wrong end of a massive anti-immigration wave sweeping the GOP. You don't attract attention by being wishy-washy and unfortunately Rand has been very wishy-washy on a lot of high-profile issues.

He needs to stake out a hardcore position on something controversial, if you ask me. Chainsawing the tax code is something any candidate in the field might do. What else he got?

[AuH20]

Do not fool yourself. There is no fire in the belly in our candidate. Maybe next time. He has an all important trip to Haiti coming up soon.

Maybe Christie will rile him up.

[kbs021]

No maybe Rand's "fire" has gone to things that actually matter. Just like the forced vote on Planned Parenthood today. Just like fighting against the NSA. Yesterday Rand called out Graham, Cruz, and Rubio BY NAME in SC for voting for a spending increase in defense without cutting in other areas like he did. Rand will be hitting people soon. Don't copy trump's fake bull crap because he got a boost in the polls. Maybe this time timosman...

[acptulsa]

Doesn't matter if he gets in the debates if they only give him 30 seconds like they did to his dad.

He'll get more than that.

People think Trump can filibuster, but Rand has done it on the Senate floor.

[SilentBull]

Do not fool yourself. There is no fire in the belly in our candidate. Maybe next time. He has an all important trip to Haiti coming up soon.

I will quote you on caucus night, when Rand is victorious. We will see.

[acptulsa]

I will quote you on caucus night, when Rand is victorious. We will see.

By then we might know who their candidate is. We'll have to keep track of everyone who goes to Haiti.

[timosman]

He'll get more than that.

People think Trump can filibuster, but Rand has done it on the Senate floor.

Seriously, what are you talking about ? Are you posting while high ?

[Chieppa1]

Rand shouldn't get "fired up" over the anti-immigration wave. Because it's stupid, ignorant and racist. As a human of the 21st century, the issues Rand targets are not the problem. The media and the low bar Americans set for themselves is the issue.

[AuH20]

Rand shouldn't get "fired up" over the anti-immigration wave. Because it's stupid, ignorant and racist. As a human of the 21st century, the issues Rand targets are not the problem. The media and the low bar Americans set for themselves is the issue.

It's stupid, ignorant and racist to protest against corporate tyranny and government expansion? Because that's what illegal immigration is all about.

[Working Poor]

Let's continue to be a pain in their ass until the fucking end!

Indeed!

[Wilf]

It's stupid, ignorant and racist to protest against corporate tyranny and government expansion? Because that's what immigration is all about.

Fixed.

[Mr.NoSmile]

This is the second time I've seen a post where someone mentions Yahoo front page articles going after Paul and the second time they don't have any sort of reference or image to support what they're saying, never mind that Paul is not from the only GOP candidate being hammered. When it comes to negative attacks, he's far from special.

[nikcers]

This is the second time I've seen a post where someone mentions Yahoo front page articles going after Paul and the second time they don't have any sort of reference or image to support what they're saying, never mind that Paul is not from the only GOP candidate being hammered. When it comes to negative attacks, he's far from special.

This is only 24 hours, the has Rand Paul stalled article got posted numerous times and at one point was showing up for me on google search results as #1

Inside Rand Paul's downward spiral
(http://www.politico.com/story/2015/07/rand-paul-2016-downward-spiral-gop-campaign-120716.html)Where Did Rand Paul Go? (2) (http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2015/07/where-did-rand-paul-go-2.php)
Rand Paul's Campaign Is In Meltdown Mode (http://www.fitsnews.com/2015/07/28/rand-pauls-campaign-is-in-meltdown-mode/)
Unlike Dad, Rand Paul Is More Interested in Winning Than in His ... (http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2015/07/unlike-dad-rand-paul-more-interested-winning-his-principles)

The Cancer on Rand Pauls Campaign (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/07/28/the-cancer-on-rand-paul-s-campaign.html)

Cash woes for Rand Paul's hybrid candidacy (http://www.ocregister.com/articles/paul-673764-big-republicans.html)

'The most interesting man in politics' isn't drawing much interest in ... (http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/the-most-interesting-man-in-politics-isnt-drawing-much-in-new-hampshire/2015/07/27/759fee18-3469-11e5-94ce-834ad8f5c50e_story.html)


Has Rand Paul stalled?
(http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/249170-rand-paul-looks-for-traction)Rand Paul is progressive Oh wait.
Rand Paul turned into a hawk on Iran and libertarians are b
(http://www.politico.com/agenda/story/2015/07/rand-paul-is-progressive-oh-wait-000169)Inside the right-wing freak show: What Ted Cruz, Rand Paul a
Rand Paul super PACs raise paltry $5 million
(http://www.salon.com/2015/07/28/inside_the_right_wing_freak_show_what_ted_cruz_ran d_paul_and_rick_santorum_say_when_only_the_freakis hly_faithful_are_listening/)What's Wrong With Rand Paul's Campaign? (http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/whats-wrong-with-rand-pauls-campaign/)
(http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/249170-rand-paul-looks-for-traction)


(http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/249170-rand-paul-looks-for-traction)

[phill4paul]

This is the second time I've seen a post where someone mentions Yahoo front page articles going after Paul and the second time they don't have any sort of reference or image to support what they're saying, never mind that Paul is not from the only GOP candidate being hammered. When it comes to negative attacks, he's far from special.

You're not the only one to notice. ;)

[65fastback2+2]

This is only 24 hours, the has Rand Paul stalled article got posted numerous times and at one point was showing up for me on google search results as #1

Inside Rand Paul's downward spiral
(http://www.politico.com/story/2015/07/rand-paul-2016-downward-spiral-gop-campaign-120716.html)Where Did Rand Paul Go? (2) (http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2015/07/where-did-rand-paul-go-2.php)
Rand Paul's Campaign Is In Meltdown Mode (http://www.fitsnews.com/2015/07/28/rand-pauls-campaign-is-in-meltdown-mode/)
Unlike Dad, Rand Paul Is More Interested in Winning Than in His ... (http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2015/07/unlike-dad-rand-paul-more-interested-winning-his-principles)

The Cancer on Rand Pauls Campaign (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/07/28/the-cancer-on-rand-paul-s-campaign.html)

Cash woes for Rand Paul's hybrid candidacy (http://www.ocregister.com/articles/paul-673764-big-republicans.html)

'The most interesting man in politics' isn't drawing much interest in ... (http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/the-most-interesting-man-in-politics-isnt-drawing-much-in-new-hampshire/2015/07/27/759fee18-3469-11e5-94ce-834ad8f5c50e_story.html)


Has Rand Paul stalled?
(http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/249170-rand-paul-looks-for-traction)Rand Paul is progressive Oh wait.
Rand Paul turned into a hawk on Iran and libertarians are b
(http://www.politico.com/agenda/story/2015/07/rand-paul-is-progressive-oh-wait-000169)Inside the right-wing freak show: What Ted Cruz, Rand Paul a
Rand Paul super PACs raise paltry $5 million
(http://www.salon.com/2015/07/28/inside_the_right_wing_freak_show_what_ted_cruz_ran d_paul_and_rick_santorum_say_when_only_the_freakis hly_faithful_are_listening/)What's Wrong With Rand Paul's Campaign? (http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/whats-wrong-with-rand-pauls-campaign/)
(http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/249170-rand-paul-looks-for-traction)


(http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/249170-rand-paul-looks-for-traction)

http://quoteaddicts.com/media/q1/178417.png

[eleganz]

This is only 24 hours, the has Rand Paul stalled article got posted numerous times and at one point was showing up for me on google search results as #1

Inside Rand Paul's downward spiral
(http://www.politico.com/story/2015/07/rand-paul-2016-downward-spiral-gop-campaign-120716.html)Where Did Rand Paul Go? (2) (http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2015/07/where-did-rand-paul-go-2.php)
Rand Paul's Campaign Is In Meltdown Mode (http://www.fitsnews.com/2015/07/28/rand-pauls-campaign-is-in-meltdown-mode/)
Unlike Dad, Rand Paul Is More Interested in Winning Than in His ... (http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2015/07/unlike-dad-rand-paul-more-interested-winning-his-principles)

The Cancer on Rand Pauls Campaign (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/07/28/the-cancer-on-rand-paul-s-campaign.html)

Cash woes for Rand Paul's hybrid candidacy (http://www.ocregister.com/articles/paul-673764-big-republicans.html)

'The most interesting man in politics' isn't drawing much interest in ... (http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/the-most-interesting-man-in-politics-isnt-drawing-much-in-new-hampshire/2015/07/27/759fee18-3469-11e5-94ce-834ad8f5c50e_story.html)


Has Rand Paul stalled?
(http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/249170-rand-paul-looks-for-traction)Rand Paul is progressive Oh wait.
Rand Paul turned into a hawk on Iran and libertarians are b
(http://www.politico.com/agenda/story/2015/07/rand-paul-is-progressive-oh-wait-000169)Inside the right-wing freak show: What Ted Cruz, Rand Paul a
Rand Paul super PACs raise paltry $5 million
(http://www.salon.com/2015/07/28/inside_the_right_wing_freak_show_what_ted_cruz_ran d_paul_and_rick_santorum_say_when_only_the_freakis hly_faithful_are_listening/)What's Wrong With Rand Paul's Campaign? (http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/whats-wrong-with-rand-pauls-campaign/)
(http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/249170-rand-paul-looks-for-traction)


(http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/249170-rand-paul-looks-for-traction)


Thanks for letting us know but don't know why you couldn't break the links. The more we click, the more they think writing these articles are good for revenue.

[thoughtomator]

Rand shouldn't get "fired up" over the anti-immigration wave. Because it's stupid, ignorant and racist. As a human of the 21st century, the issues Rand targets are not the problem. The media and the low bar Americans set for themselves is the issue.

I'm going to be generous and assume you are very young and haven't done the math.

There is no way in hell the US can absorb the number of immigrants that want to come here from the third world without essentially displacing and disempowering everyone who is already here. The numbers are incredible and there is no practical endpoint. If immigration is allowed to continue then Western culture - the only culture in which liberty is a tradition - will be snuffed out. Your future in such a scenario is a totalitarian banana republic, and if you are white, on the wrong end of a genocide.

We simply cannot play the role of population safety valve to the rest of the world and retain anything of our current culture. We will be drowned in numbers. Keep in mind that most of the world is used to some form of tyranny - monarchy, socialism, or dictatorship - and without a generation of assimilation they will vote for such things to be put in place here, eliminating in toto the legacy of the Enlightenment from the Magna Carta to the Declaration of Independence.

Now you may argue, and not wrongly, that that legacy has been largely extinguished already; but what good will it do you to extinguish any hope it will be revived in the future?

[cindy25]

any media attention at this time is good.

as for immigration, do a cost analysis of what low wage immigrants are costing. not just food stamps and medicaid, but someone in a low wage job starting at age 40 is a huge drain on medicare and even social security. that's why Australia and New Zealand won't take immigrants over 40, even professionals.

they might be hard working but the only ones benefiting are agra-business and Wall Street

[Chieppa1]

It's stupid, ignorant and racist to protest against corporate tyranny and government expansion? Because that's what illegal immigration is all about.

Yes. That is what the mindless FOX News crowd is protesting illegal immigration about. I'm sure if Rand just uses "corporate tyranny and government expansion" as his rally cry he will start stealing those voters away from Trump.

Or maybe he says just say "Mexicans" with a hint of racism to get that vote.

[Wilf]

Yes. That is what the mindless FOX News crowd is protesting illegal immigration about. I'm sure if Rand just uses "corporate tyranny and government expansion" as his rally cry he will start stealing those voters away from Trump.

Or maybe he says just say "Mexicans" with a hint of scapegoating to get that vote.

Fixed

[Chieppa1]

I'm going to be generous and assume you are very young and haven't done the math.

There is no way in hell the US can absorb the number of immigrants that want to come here from the third world without essentially displacing and disempowering everyone who is already here. The numbers are incredible and there is no practical endpoint. If immigration is allowed to continue then Western culture - the only culture in which liberty is a tradition - will be snuffed out. Your future in such a scenario is a totalitarian banana republic, and if you are white, on the wrong end of a genocide.

We simply cannot play the role of population safety valve to the rest of the world and retain anything of our current culture. We will be drowned in numbers. Keep in mind that most of the world is used to some form of tyranny - monarchy, socialism, or dictatorship - and without a generation of assimilation they will vote for such things to be put in place here, eliminating in toto the legacy of the Enlightenment from the Magna Carta to the Declaration of Independence.

Now you may argue, and not wrongly, that that legacy has been largely extinguished already; but what good will it do you to extinguish any hope it will be revived in the future?

Again, I will explain the context of my damned post. I was talking about Rand losing the battle for the souls of this "anti-immigration wave" sweeping the GOP. Most of the people supporting Trump right now for this issue are doing so because he insulted Mexicans and talks like some idiot from the famous South Park episode. NONE of the candidates, and most of the voters do not breakdown the immigration issue as you did, or as other posters have.

If Rand Paul went on stage at the debates and tried to win over that crowd with the paragraph you posted, he would get blank, emotionless stares. He would have to start talking in generalizations about "us vs them" to get the RACIST Fox News viewers to get behind him.

Some people have a principled position on immigration. Most of them reside here. The majority are just white people who don't like seeing brown people on the main streets of their towns.

This thread is about Rand Paul's election, not a Tom Woods show about immigration as a libertarian principal. Keep your quiz knowledge for another thread please.

I am talking in reality. The reality of the voting public is that they give ZERO FUCKS about the Enlightenment, Magna Carta, tyranny, monarchy....

Somehow my post is seen as pro-illegals or something because I disagree with the idea of Rand Paul running around acting like a right-wing idiot and handing the general election over to Hillary. Who has been courting this Hispanic community while her family friend Trump insults it.

[thoughtomator]

Even if the motives of most anti-immigration voters are explicitly racist, that's their prerogative. The unspoken subtext of the racism charges is an acceptance of the far-left insistence that only white people can be racist.

I do think that being subject to involuntary demographic/cultural changes on an order never seen before absent conquest and genocide is the basis of a valid complaint.

The US is being colonized. Sure, that is what the Europeans did here - and how did the existing residents fare? Not well, and that's reason enough not to want to be on the losing end of another round of it.

What makes it far far worse than natural demographic change is that so many of the newcomers are coming with the explicit intent of genocide, to take the inheritance of Americans' posterity and give it to their own instead. Can't blame the foreigners for wanting to do that, but it's positively insane for us to let them.

Already there is literally a fifth of the population of El Salvador and something like a quarter of the population of Mexico that's come here to stay. Does this end at any point short of total displacement? Are we to be content to be the new Native Americans, wiped out by relentless immigration from abroad?

[puppetmaster]

Even if the motives of most anti-immigration voters are explicitly racist, that's their prerogative. The unspoken subtext of the racism charges is an acceptance of the far-left insistence that only white people can be racist.

I do think that being subject to involuntary demographic/cultural changes on an order never seen before absent conquest and genocide is the basis of a valid complaint.

The US is being colonized. Sure, that is what the Europeans did here - and how did the existing residents fare? Not well, and that's reason enough not to want to be on the losing end of another round of it.

What makes it far far worse than natural demographic change is that so many of the newcomers are coming with the explicit intent of genocide, to take the inheritance of Americans' posterity and give it to their own instead. Can't blame the foreigners for wanting to do that, but it's positively insane for us to let them.

Already there is literally a fifth of the population of El Salvador and something like a quarter of the population of Mexico that's come here to stay. Does this end at any point short of total displacement? Are we to be content to be the new Native Americans, wiped out by relentless immigration from abroad?
My wife who is from Poland is astonished that there are no protests or anyone speaking up on the invaders from foreign countries. She came here using the legal process and had to have skills needed in the US. It took time and money but it proved her commitment and invests her in the well being of this country.

[RonPaulMall]

I do think that being subject to involuntary demographic/cultural changes on an order never seen before absent conquest and genocide is the basis of a valid complaint.


Bingo. And what Chieppa1 doesn't get is that you don't have to sound like some "South Park" character to run a successful campaign against mass immigration. Just copy what Dave Brat did. School overcrowding, strain on social services, depressed wages, crime, traffic, environmental and health concerns. It is an easy sell.

[AuH20]

Bingo. And what Chieppa1 doesn't get is that you don't have to sound like some "South Park" character to run a successful campaign against mass immigration. Just copy what Dave Brat did. School overcrowding, strain on social services, depressed wages, crime, traffic, environmental and health concerns. It is an easy sell.

especially to those of the Malthusian bent, which on the left are many.

[AuH20]

We need to start recruiting the envirofreaks. Illegal immigration is harmful to Mother Earth and it's organisms.

Arizona border pass

http://media1.fdncms.com/tucsonweekly/imager/this-trash-filled-wash-is-below-diablito-mountain-about-5-miles-west-of-i/u/zoom/1168858/feat-1.jpg

Guatemala

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/11/05/article-2057891-0EAC6A8000000578-588_634x417.jpg

[Brian4Liberty]

In the last day, I've seen two negative stories on Rand's campaign on front page of Yahoo.....

They are really trying to make people believe it is a sinking ship, so they jump --- thus reducing Rand's polling and say "ooops, you didn't make the top 10 cut".

This is sickening.....

It is soooooooooo apparent what they are doing.

Agree. It's a concerted effort. First phase was to push Trump as the "anti-establishment" candidate. Divert and distract from Rand (and for that matter, from Ben Carson, who was also seen as an honest Tea Party candidate).

Phase two was all of the negativity. Sow as much discontent as possible. The MSM decides which stories are publicized. Rand talks about all kinds of issues every day. It's the media who decides what is broadcast, and how it is spun. They want to discourage and demoralize Rand supporters.

Don't fall into the trap. Don't be manipulated by the media.

[AuH20]

Agree. It's a concerted effort. First phase was to push Trump as the "anti-establishment" candidate. Divert and distract from Rand (and for that matter, from Ben Carson, who was also seen as an honest Tea Party candidate).

Phase two was all of the negativity. Sow as much discontent as possible. The MSM decides which stories are publicized. Rand talks about all kinds of issues every day. It's the media who decides what is broadcast, and how it is spun. They want to discourage and demoralize Rand supporters.

Don't fall into the trap. Don't be manipulated by the media.

Rand struck out miserably as the anti-establishment candidate. Let's be truthful here. Rand should have locked this up months ago, so that no Trump momentum was possible.

[Brian4Liberty]

Do not fool yourself. There is no fire in the belly in our candidate. Maybe next time. He has an all important trip to Haiti coming up soon.

Didn't know you were an insider and acquaintance of Rand. You must know him personally. What else can you tell us about what's in his "belly"?

[Brian4Liberty]

Rand struck out miserably as the anti-establishment candidate. Let's be truthful here. Rand should have locked this up months ago, so that no Trump momentum was possible.

The media creates the perception and sets the narrative. The establishment media does not like Rand precisely because they know he is the anti-establishment candidate. They will not publicize his positions that will be widely popular. They paint him into a niche. A civil rights advocate. While most people care about that to a certain degree, it's far down on the list of priorities for the average GOP voter.

Additionally, Rand is a sitting US Senator running for President, he is not a contestant on "The Apprentice". He can't be as bombastic, outrageous and WWE-style as Trump.

Trump they can build up, because they know they will be able to tear him down later, and pave the way for Jeb.

[eleganz]

Rand struck out miserably as the anti-establishment candidate. Let's be truthful here. Rand should have locked this up months ago, so that no Trump momentum was possible.


Sounds easy when you say it like that. What can Rand do to keep all of the media attention on him starting from months ago and lasting all the way until at least the Iowa caucuses?

[AuH20]

Sounds easy when you say it like that. What can Rand do to keep all of the media attention on him starting from months ago and lasting all the way until at least the Iowa caucuses?

- Never should have kissed the ring of Mitch McConnell. Americans like rebels as opposed to the cabana boy for the Senate leader.
- should have supported Chris McDaniel and made a huge deal when Thad Cochran stole the election
- should not have compared amnesty opposition to the Nazis

He lost so much credibility trying to be mainstream. He rocketed to the top because he was so strange (I mean that as an endearing term) to the political establishment.

[timosman]

Sounds easy when you say it like that. What can Rand do to keep all of the media attention on him starting from months ago and lasting all the way until at least the Iowa caucuses?

A fling with Taylor Swift would do wonders for the campaign.

[EBounding]

Rand struck out miserably as the anti-establishment candidate. Let's be truthful here. Rand should have locked this up months ago, so that no Trump momentum was possible.

You could be right about the missed chance, but I think it's too early to tell. I think we'll know for sure in the next two months though. But no matter what Rand did differently and even if people like Trump, Cruz and Carson weren't running, there's no way Rand would have it locked up at this point.

[AuH20]

You could be right about the missed chance, but I think it's too early to tell. I think we'll know for sure in the next two months though. But no matter what Rand did differently and even if people like Trump, Cruz and Carson weren't running, there's no way Rand would have it locked up at this point.

Maybe you're right...........I should have said 'more prominent.'

[Valli6]

"Stench of death"?! :rolleyes: They're really going overboard!
Breitbart has a brief excerpt from a New Yorker story by jonathon chait. (I'm not even clicking on the original story.)


CHAIT: ‘STENCH OF DEATH’ CLINGS TO RAND PAUL CAMPAIGN
by RICH TUCKER 29 Jul 2015

In New York Magazine, Jonathan Chait writes:

“[Rand] Paul finds himself languishing in every metric of campaign success: polls, fund-raising, insider support, media attention. Two pre-postmortems today convey the stench of death that clings to Paul’s once-buoyant presidential hopes.
…
“Paul is presenting his failure to attract attention as a reflection not of his love for spring break but rather a principled aversion to campaign high jinks. The candidate recently offered, with a touch of pathos, that he would not set himself on fire to compete with Donald Trump — but he’s not above cheeseball antics like setting the tax code on fire.

“Perhaps Paul’s problem is that he started off setting things on fire, and, since his election in 2010, has spent his half-decade in office tamping down the flames to make himself acceptable to the party Establishment.”
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/07/29/chait-stench-of-death-clings-to-rand-paul-campaign/

[Peace&Freedom]

The timing of the "death knell" stories on Rand is so predictable. Trump is no longer making daily shock news, so somebody else in the race may pop into the forefront in the week prior to The Debate. The point is to have a negative meme floating around that can lead "discussions" of Rand ("now more on Rand's campaign problems"), leading to a decline in the polls and pundits repeating (as on CNN today) "whatever happened to Rand?" talking points. A mind trick that becomes a self fulfilling prophecy.

[timosman]

This is the second time I've seen a post where someone mentions Yahoo front page articles going after Paul and the second time they don't have any sort of reference or image to support what they're saying, never mind that Paul is not from the only GOP candidate being hammered. When it comes to negative attacks, he's far from special.

Yahoo! pushes democrats. They gave $1m to Obama in 2012 via Bill Maher.

[thoughtomator]

We need to start recruiting the envirofreaks. Illegal immigration is harmful to Mother Earth and it's organisms.

That presumes the lefties are being honest. They're not. Every last issue to them is simply a means to power. They care not at all that 80% of females - including the very young - who immigrate illegally are raped along the way, as long as they can be used for political leverage when they get here.

[timosman]

That presumes the lefties are being honest. They're not. Every last issue to them is simply a means to power. They care not at all that 80% of females - including the very young - who immigrate illegally are raped along the way, as long as they can be used for political leverage when they get here.

It would be better to leverage LGBT movement. The immigrants are not totally gung-ho on their issues.