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Suzanimal
07-16-2015, 05:03 PM
The US has offered to increase military aid to Israel by another $1.5 billion per year to ease tensions over the nuclear deal with Iran, media has reported. Defense Secretary Ash Carter is expected to make the offer during next week’s visit to Tel Aviv.

The proposed increase would see Israel getting an additional squadron of F-35 fighter jets, funding for research and development of missile defense systems, and ammunition to replenish the stocks used in last year’s bombing of Gaza, Israeli sources told Jerusalem Post.

Under the current arrangement, Israel is receiving $3 billion a year, most of which is used to purchase US military hardware such as fighter jets and missile defense systems. Israeli and US officials have been discussing increasing the amount of aid to anywhere between $4.2 and $4.5 billion per year, sources familiar with the talks told the New York Times.

The new arrangement would go into effect in 2018 and last for a decade. Secretary Carter is expected to present the offer to his Israeli counterpart and good friend Moshe Ya’alon, Israeli sources said.

Netanyahu is reportedly reluctant to discuss US aid “at this juncture,” since that would mean giving tacit approval to the agreement the US and five other countries reached with Iran earlier this week.

The Israeli PM called the deal a “historic mistake” and may be hoping that the US Congress will refuse to endorse it before it goes into effect.

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http://www.rt.com/usa/310049-us-military-aid-israel/

AuH20
07-16-2015, 05:07 PM
Wtf is this?

phill4paul
07-16-2015, 05:16 PM
Wtf is this?

Shakedown. Keep paying Fed income tax and you can't bitch about what they do with it.

juleswin
07-16-2015, 05:35 PM
And the hits keep coming.

enhanced_deficit
07-16-2015, 06:10 PM
One possible explanation for this $1.5 Billion yearly tax payers aid to the only democracy in the mideast could be that WASPs are not as pro-Israel as US Jews:

Jews have replaced WASPs in foreign policy establishment– Heilbrunn in NYT (http://mondoweiss.net/2015/07/replaced-establishment-heilbrunn)




For those who may be tempted to blame Obama for this, keep in mind he is stuck in a very tough spot between a rock and a hard wall:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?456039-Christie-calls-for-forceful-defense-of-Israel-says-Obama-not-decisive&p=5593230&viewfull=1#post5593230

Warrior_of_Freedom
07-16-2015, 06:34 PM
Shakedown. Keep paying Fed income tax and you can't bitch about what they do with it.

You first. Not paying your taxes is a crime worse than chopping off a limb and running over a dozen people in this country.

Jan2017
07-17-2015, 04:14 PM
I was looking for a link to confirm a number I had heard . . . $20 billion in aid to Israel during the O'Bomber administrations

I did find an article instead with some interesting tidbits - some excerpts . . .

In the 1950s, America gave Israel only civilian aid, for economic purposes, and this was doled out in loans and small grants.
Between the establishment of the state and 1962, the United States under Presidents Harry Truman and Dwight Eisenhower
imposed a total arms embargo on Israel.
The first president to lift the embargo was John Kennedy, who in 1962 allowed Israel to pay in full for surface-to-air Hawk missiles.
One of the most expensive arms deals in the history of Israel’s defense forces – the purchase of 20 F-35 fighter planes for $2.7 billion –
will be financed entirely by aid money.
The deal was signed towards the end of 2010 and the first planes are slated to be delivered to Israel next year.
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.611001

While I may go along with Rand on his reason #2 to not support the deal - specifically when I read about
Russians stockpiling of uranium in Iran is OK (in Annex I of the "Deal" on page 15, Item No. 59),
the removal of the sanction allowing Iran to purchase weapons is just not a very good reason, as Ron Paul has said,
in light that we are effectively "giving" Israel F-35's
. . . at least Australia and Denmark and others actually buy their's (presumably).

http://i372.photobucket.com/albums/oo161/sunblush/F35_01a_zpsj0hmgzuq.jpg (http://s372.photobucket.com/user/sunblush/media/F35_01a_zpsj0hmgzuq.jpg.html)

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enhanced_deficit
07-17-2015, 04:31 PM
Billboards calling for cutting aid to Israel springing up across Montana (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?421267-Billboards-calling-for-cutting-aid-to-Israel-springing-up-across-Montana&)

http://ifamericansknew.org/images/billboard.jpg



LewRockwell.com: U.S. Senators Are Nearly All Stooges for Israel (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?441430-LewRockwell-com-U-S-Senators-Are-Nearly-All-Stooges-for-Israel&)


US taxpayers paid more to Israeli military budget than Israelis (http://www.veteransnewsnow.com/2012/09/17/us-taxpayers-paid-more-to-israeli-defense-budget-than-israelis/)


http://desertpeace.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/child-prisoners.jpg (http://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&docid=MenQW9XOVhJjbM&tbnid=_vKM6i2KjLbSJM:&ved=0CAUQjRw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fdesertpeace.wordpress.com%2F2010% 2F03%2F14%2Famerica-is-oblivious-to-palestinian-child-prisoners%2F&ei=nuUGU6H8K4zMkAeW34CoAg&bvm=bv.61725948,d.eW0&psig=AFQjCNFJTjg9JdY1QO1HHsHlwgnBHRGswA&ust=1393047195931772)http://www.islamicinvitationturkey.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/0C08161884.jpg (http://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&docid=usltv_X6w3bg-M&tbnid=dZCBwJ0WmNjwnM:&ved=0CAUQjRw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.islamicinvitationturkey.com%2 F2013%2F09%2F19%2Finhuman-zionist-creatures-kidnap-child-in-al-khalil%2F&ei=E-YGU-CuJof7kQey4oHgBA&bvm=bv.61725948,d.eW0&psig=AFQjCNFJTjg9JdY1QO1HHsHlwgnBHRGswA&ust=1393047195931772)http://www.world-crisis.com/images/uploads//israeli_checkpoint_5.jpg (http://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&docid=5gaPuzHCaCoxVM&tbnid=LbU-p7C4A5-hNM:&ved=0CAUQjRw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.world-crisis.com%2Fanalysis_comments%2FA262_0_15_0_C%2F&ei=7aYCU4D6A5DMkQeoy4DYAQ&bvm=bv.61535280,d.eW0&psig=AFQjCNGijuBFQRt8G-8nlKaRjSLFHl66cw&ust=1392768651116310)

(http://www.ronpaulforums.com/entry.php?907-James-Woods-on-Obama-He%E2%80%99s-the-%E2%80%98gift-from-hell%E2%80%99&)

When Israel attacked Gaza, killing 100 civilians, Hillary Clinton said we have to support it ’110 percent’ (http://mondoweiss.net/2014/02/civilians-hillary-percent.html)

US tax payers funded Israeli interrogators torture Palestinian prisoners
(http://mondoweiss.net/2014/02/conviction-interrogators-torture.html)
The Obameter: Provide $30 billion over 10 years to Israel (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=5&cad=rja&ved=0CEUQFjAE&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.politifact.com%2Ftruth-o-meter%2Fpromises%2Fobameter%2Fpromise%2F133%2Fprov ide-30-billion-over-10-years-to-israel%2F&ei=GD0GU4fmCtDOkQfDrIHQDw&usg=AFQjCNFS1aseOnzPzGYsdWFjT-wleJqU8A&bvm=bv.61725948,d.eW0)

James Woods on Obama: He’s the ‘gift from hell’ (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?428515-James-Woods-on-Obama-He%E2%80%99s-the-%E2%80%98gift-from-hell%E2%80%99&)


http://www.alternet.org/files/josh_ruebner_april_15_2013.jpg
http://s25.postimg.org/rt1lrd98f/We_are_benefiting_from_the_attack_S.gif

Is the ongoing Surge of Police State in America a Surge of Blowback? (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?444261-Is-the-ongoing-Surge-of-Police-State-in-America-a-Surge-of-Karma&)

Occam's Banana
07-17-2015, 10:32 PM
Well, gee, as long as they don't burn the US flag, I guess it's okay ...


The US has offered to increase military aid to Israel by another $1.5 billion per year to ease tensions over the nuclear deal with Iran [...] The proposed increase would see Israel getting an additional squadron of F-35 fighter jets, funding for research and development of missile defense systems, and ammunition to replenish the stocks used in last year’s bombing of Gaza [...]

:rolleyes: Tryng to "ease tensions" by handing out (an additional) $1.6bn in war machinery is like trying to put out a fire by pouring (even more) gasoline on it ...


Under the current arrangement, Israel is receiving $3 billion a year, most of which is used to purchase US military hardware such as fighter jets and missile defense systems. Israeli and US officials have been discussing increasing the amount of aid to anywhere between $4.2 and $4.5 billion per year, sources familiar with the talks told the New York Times.

So in other words, we are effectively paying for welfare, abortions, etc. for Israelis by freeing them up to subsidize those things even more heavily than they already do ...

fr33
07-17-2015, 10:59 PM
Well my experience of the usual response of Israel defenders goes like this:

The bible recognized Israel as the holy land and we are a christian nation so.... give them the monies.

Israel is the most democratic nation in the area and our best ally so.... give them the monies.

Since you are alive, then you should be either ashamed of or sympathetic to what happened in the holocaust so.... give them the monies.

There is no nation other than Israel that acts like a spoiled brat throwing all their toys at their neighbors only to be reinforced by their parents to keep doing the same thing.

Ronin Truth
07-18-2015, 01:41 AM
More US taxpayer moola for the Nation of Rothschild. I'll SWAG that's really sorely needed and appreciated. :p :rolleyes:

Chieppa1
07-18-2015, 05:36 AM
Wtf is this?

This is the Israel lobby. And military contractors. This deal was win-win for empire.

H. E. Panqui
07-18-2015, 06:03 AM
...i believe you'll find the bankster$ have never been honestly (independently, publicly/openly) audited...so any number$ are...well, you know...

...i will note that ANY 'viable' :rolleyes: republicrat candidates for the puppet-presidency, etc. high public officeholders, are/will be an apologist (at least) for this miserable, GD fool, frankenstein foreign policy whereby some tiny, new country cabal of crazy-sounding/acting, blue-eyed 'semites' :rolleyes: are facilitated in constructing a super-secret squirrel nuke program and some routinely-admitted 'hundreds of nukes' whilst an ancient culture/country with many times more people must submit to a never-ending butt-cheek check and threatened with annihilation if they dare build/acquire one nuke?!..

....i'm sorry, but these gd fool republicrats are repugnant to decency...they engender a seething disgust in me and an hyper-emotional sense of outrage...me, 'a white american'..i can only imagine what it engenders in muslims, arabs, persians, etc..but it's nothing good..

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/stat/cost.html

Yet, there’s still much more to the story, because parts of US aid to Israel are buried in the budgets of various US agencies, mostly the Department of Defense. For example, since at least 2006, the American Defense budget has included between $202 and $504 million per year for missile defense programs in Israel.[11] (http://www.ifamericansknew.org/stat/cost.html#_ftn11)

In all, direct US disbursements to Israel are higher than to any other country, even though Israelis only make up 0.1% of the world’s population. On average, Israelis receive 7,000 times more US foreign aid per capita than other people throughout the world, despite the fact that Israel is one of the world’s more affluent nations.[12] (http://www.ifamericansknew.org/stat/cost.html#_ftn12) And that number rises significantly when one considers disbursements to Egypt, Jordan, and the Palestinian Authority and Defense spending on behalf of Israel.

Additional Ad hoc support for Israel

Dr. Thomas Stauffer, a Harvard economist and Middle East studies professor who twice served in the Executive Office of the President, wrote a comprehensive report about all components of the relationship with Israel’s cost to American taxpayers for the Washington Report on Middle East Affairsin 2003. He wrote:

"Another element is ad hoc support for Israel, which is not part of the formal foreign aid programs. No comprehensive compilation of US support for Israel has been publicly released. Additional known items include loan guarantees... special contracts for Israeli firms, legal and illegal[13] (http://www.ifamericansknew.org/stat/cost.html#_ftn13) transfers of marketable US military technology, de facto exemption from US trade protection provisions, and discounted sales or free transfers of 'surplus' US military equipment. An unquantifiable element is the trade and other aid given to Romania and Russia to facilitate Jewish migration to Israel; this has accumulated to many billions of dollars."[14] (http://www.ifamericansknew.org/stat/cost.html#_ftn14)
Israel has often used its privileged access to US military technology against both the US government and US corporate interests. According to the Associated Press in 2002,

LibForestPaul
07-18-2015, 06:23 AM
You first. Not paying your taxes is a crime worse than chopping off a limb and running over a dozen people in this country.

10k sovereign individuals, say living in NH, voluntarily agreeing in group protection and no filing or paying of income tax.

How many people came together to murder 1/2 million Iraqis. Should not be that difficult to get 10k together to do something noble, should it?

Ronin Truth
07-18-2015, 06:27 AM
Well my experience of the usual response of Israel defenders goes like this:

The bible recognized Israel as the holy land and we are a christian nation so.... give them the monies.

Israel is the most democratic nation in the area and our best ally so.... give them the monies.

Since you are alive, then you should be either ashamed of or sympathetic to what happened in the holocaust so.... give them the monies.

There is no nation other than Israel that acts like a spoiled brat throwing all their toys at their neighbors only to be reinforced by their parents to keep doing the same thing.

Any correlation between the biblical nation of Israel, and today's Zionist Nation of Rothschild (Israel, so called) is purely accidental, coincidental and confused for nefarious purposes.

enhanced_deficit
07-18-2015, 09:34 AM
It is being reported that 5th sailor shot in Chattanooga has died.

Would be interesting to see what impact deaths of these 5 troops would have on US foreign aid policy debate/ on ending all foreign aid to mideast. Once media owners have clarified the shooting was not motivated by pharma drugs.

AuH20
07-18-2015, 09:37 AM
Arming the world with the people's money is one hell of a scam.