CO theater shooter verdict due in in 15 mins

[tangent4ronpaul]

Wild guess? GUILTY! and Death penalty.

-t

[jllundqu]

Good.... fry that little bastard extra crispy.

[muh_roads]

Good.... fry that little bastard extra crispy.

Same goes for those who instituted the MK Ultra.

I went there.

[phill4paul]

When is the verdict for drug companies coming down?

[Warrior_of_Freedom]

When is the verdict for drug companies coming down?

Let's be fair, it's the doctor who prescribed it. They should have known those drugs can do these things.
But of course, ignorance of the law/medicine/whatever only applies to mundanes and not people with any type of authority.

[Zippyjuan]

Same goes for those who instituted the MK Ultra.

I went there.

You went to MK Ultra? Is that a good school? Do they have a good business school? How is their football team?

[enhanced_deficit]

Wild guess? GUILTY! and Death penalty.


James Holmes found guilty of murder in Colorado theater shooting
Centennial, Colorado (CNN)Will James Holmes face death for killing 12 people inside an Aurora, Colorado, movie theater?
That could be the next question jurors will be asked after finding Holmes guilty Thursday of first-degree murder in the July 2012 shooting.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/16/us/james-holmes-trial-colorado-movie-theater-shooting-verdict/

[Zippyjuan]

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/17/us/james-holmes-guilty-in-aurora-movie-theater-shooting.html?_r=0

165 counts of first degree murder or attempted murder.


James Holmes Guilty in Aurora Movie Theater Shooting

CENTENNIAL, Colo. — Inside Courtroom 201, the families of the dead and wounded watched in taut silence on Thursday afternoon as the judge shuffled through a stack of verdict forms containing the fate of James E. Holmes, the gunman who three years ago slipped into a Colorado movie theater and opened fire on their sons and daughters, friends and loved ones.

As the judge began reading the verdicts — guilty, guilty, guilty — repeated 165 times over an entire hour, for each count of murder and attempted murder, the families sobbed quietly, clutched one another’s shoulders and nodded along to a recitation of guilt that many had been waiting nearly three years to hear.

Sandy Phillips wrapped herself tightly in the green scarf that her slain daughter, Jessica Ghawi, had loved. A father who lost his son patted the arm of Joshua Nowlan, who was wounded and now walks with a cane.

After an emotional 10-week trial, one of the longest and most complex in this state’s history, it took a jury of nine women and three men about 13 hours of deliberation over two days to convict Mr. Holmes on all counts. He now faces a lengthy sentencing process in which prosecutors are seeking the death penalty.

The jury’s verdict roundly rejected arguments from his defense lawyers that he had had a psychotic break and was legally insane when he carried out the massacre inside the Century 16 theater in suburban Aurora, Colo., on July 20, 2012. His lawyers argued he was not in control of his thoughts or actions, but prosecutors said Mr. Holmes, despite being mentally ill, had plotted out the shootings with meticulous calculation and knew what he wanted to accomplish when he started firing into the crowd.

As Judge Carlos Samour Jr. read the 165 counts against Mr. Holmes, the defendant stood silently between his lawyers, staring straight ahead, with his hands tucked into the pockets of a pair of khaki-colored pants. He did not glance at his parents sitting two rows behind. When the hourlong recitation of the verdicts was done, he sat down and lightly swiveled in his chair.

More at link.

[Warrior_of_Freedom]

holy shit were his constitutional rights breached. A quick and speedy trial my ass. Didn't this happen like 3 years ago?

[Zippyjuan]

What is "speedy"? (a lawyer may also waive the "speedy trial" for their client to have more time to prepare for it.)

http://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal-rights/right-to-a-speedy-jury-trial.html


What is a "Speedy" Trial?

A "speedy" trial basically means that the defendant is tried for the alleged crimes within a reasonable time after being arrested. Although most states have laws that set forth the time in which a trial must take place after charges are filed, often the issue of whether or not a trial is in fact "speedy" enough under the Sixth Amendment comes down to the circumstances of the case itself, and the reasons for any delays. In the most extreme situations, when a court determines that the delay between arrest and trial was unreasonable and prejudicial to the defendant, the court dismisses the case altogether.


Shooting was July, 2012. His first court appearance was July 30th where he was formally charged. Preliminary hearings were in January, 2013.

[Warrior_of_Freedom]

What is "speedy"? (a lawyer may also waive the "speedy trial" for their client to have more time to prepare for it.)

http://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal-rights/right-to-a-speedy-jury-trial.html



Shooting was July, 2012. His first court appearance was July 30th where he was formally charged. Preliminary hearings were in January, 2013.

When the first hearings were heard are irrelevant, the fact is it took a full 3 years for a verdict. What if he was found innocent? Oh, oops.

[CPUd]

There was some delay if I remember, because there was a question of him being competent to stand trial.

[Zippyjuan]

First came the charges. Then a competency request by his lawyer to hopefully avoid a trial in the first place.

[phill4paul]

Unfortunately, I can find no access to the transcript for the entire trial. As I remember there were some irregularities in the official version. I doubt the defense addressed these issues. Seems "his team" just went along with the narrative and hoped for an insanity charge.

[Weston White]

Yup, this was not the least bit a government orchestrated PYSOP, "Gangster Squad", merely "an unfortunate coincidence":


http://i0.huffpost.com/gen/695397/images/s-GANGSTER-SQUAD-TRAILER-PULLED-large.jpg


A Warner Bros executive now tells me how the studio was scrambling to deal with the Aurora theater shooting crisis in the pre-dawn hours of the morning. Then, at 5 AM, one of the top distribution execs remembered that Warner Bros’ Gangster Squad trailer was playing “loose” this weekend timed to the studio’s The Dark Knight Rises release in about 30% of domestic theaters. (“Loose” means that theaters had been asked to play the trailer which was not paired with The Dark Knight Rises.)

According to Warner Bros, this distribution exec suddenly remembered that the trailer for the mob movie contained a scene showing a gangster with a machine gun shooting up people in a movie theater from behind the big screen. This distribution exec quickly instructed the studio to “replace it as soon as possible”. At 6 AM, Warner Bros started notifying the theater circuits to pull the offensive Gangster Squad trailer. That is being done all over North America today.

Even though the man dressed up as the Joker, do they pull Batman? No. No they did not.

[pcosmar]

There was some delay if I remember, because there was a question of him being competent to stand trial.

?????
competent?

since when does being drugged out of ones mind qualify as competent?

[roho76]

This whole thing stinks. All the pictures of this guy befor the shooting he looks like a straight up dude and even his friends and familia said this was weird. Then after the shooting, in the court house, he looks like a deranged lunatic who drugged out of his mind and looks as if he doesn't even know what's going on. I'm not buying it. Considering the lengths the government has gone to create other terrorist events in the country and then turn themselves into the heroes upon capurting the "terrorist", I can't buy into this. Our government is so corrupt with agenda driven governance that this whole narrative fits nicely in their playbook.

[donnay]

This whole thing stinks. All the pictures of this guy befor the shooting he looks like a straight up dude and even his friends and familia said this was weird. Then after the shooting, in the court house, he looks like a deranged lunatic who drugged out of his mind and looks as if he doesn't even know what's going on. I'm not buying it. Considering the lengths the government has gone to create other terrorist events in the country and then turn themselves into the heroes upon capurting the "terrorist", I can't buy into this. Our government is so corrupt with agenda driven governance that this whole narrative fits nicely in their playbook.

I agree.

[fisharmor]

There was some delay if I remember, because there was a question of him being competent to stand trial.

First came the charges. Then a competency request by his lawyer to hopefully avoid a trial in the first place.

Oh sure, you can speak your mind freely, as long as you do it in that fenced off area over there and you don't say anything that we're going to arbitrarily construe to be a threat of any kind despite whether it objectively is a threat.

Oh sure, you can own a gun, as long as it's a single-shot muzzleloader that's been registered with the state and implicitly agree that we will at some point come to your house and demand you hand it over.

Oh sure, you can be secure in your persons and possessions, as long as we haven't made a snap decision that we need to search you and seize your property for any reason whatsoever.

Oh sure, you can be guaranteed against testifying against yourself, as long as you're in this country, haven't been moved out of this country, aren't brown-skinned, and don't know any Muslims.

Oh sure, you can be guaranteed against cruel punishments, as long as it's not a cop trying to punish you on the spot, and as long as you're not one of those brown-skinned Muslim fans from the last guarantee.



Oh sure, you can be guaranteed a speedy trial............

[CPUd]

Oh sure, you can speak your mind freely, as long as you do it in that fenced off area over there and you don't say anything that we're going to arbitrarily construe to be a threat of any kind despite whether it objectively is a threat.

Oh sure, you can own a gun, as long as it's a single-shot muzzleloader that's been registered with the state and implicitly agree that we will at some point come to your house and demand you hand it over.

Oh sure, you can be secure in your persons and possessions, as long as we haven't made a snap decision that we need to search you and seize your property for any reason whatsoever.

Oh sure, you can be guaranteed against testifying against yourself, as long as you're in this country, haven't been moved out of this country, aren't brown-skinned, and don't know any Muslims.

Oh sure, you can be guaranteed against cruel punishments, as long as it's not a cop trying to punish you on the spot, and as long as you're not one of those brown-skinned Muslim fans from the last guarantee.



Oh sure, you can be guaranteed a speedy trial............

I don't believe a crazy person should have to stand trial for charges he doesn't understand to the point where he can't assist in his own defense.

Now we add lawyers into the mix. In a general case:

Defense counsel comes in and says Defendant is nuts, he can't go to trial and we will likely pursue an insanity defense. Prosecutor calls BS and says get the shrink. Shrink says he's nuts, but if he takes these pills for a while, he'll be back. Judge says give him X weeks, if he's not back, put him in the nut house (indefinitely) until the shrink says he is competent to stand trial. Defense wants him to stay in the nut house, because it helps with an insanity defense, and is considered to him to be a better outcome than a guilty verdict and execution. Prosecutor does not want this to happen because it strengthens the defense case for not guilty cause he's nuts, and because the people want justice. So X weeks pass and the judge has battle of the shrinks to decide whether to go to trial or wait another X weeks and repeat the process until Defendant can stand trial, or dies in the nut house, which would be the same likely outcome if he was found not guilty because nuts.

[jonhowe]

Oh sure, you can speak your mind freely, as long as you do it in that fenced off area over there and you don't say anything that we're going to arbitrarily construe to be a threat of any kind despite whether it objectively is a threat.

Oh sure, you can own a gun, as long as it's a single-shot muzzleloader that's been registered with the state and implicitly agree that we will at some point come to your house and demand you hand it over.

Oh sure, you can be secure in your persons and possessions, as long as we haven't made a snap decision that we need to search you and seize your property for any reason whatsoever.

Oh sure, you can be guaranteed against testifying against yourself, as long as you're in this country, haven't been moved out of this country, aren't brown-skinned, and don't know any Muslims.

Oh sure, you can be guaranteed against cruel punishments, as long as it's not a cop trying to punish you on the spot, and as long as you're not one of those brown-skinned Muslim fans from the last guarantee.



Oh sure, you can be guaranteed a speedy trial............

His defense team was the main thing slowing down the trial.
No one, not even on here, is denying he DID the shooting. The question is was he RESPONSIBLE for doing the shooting. That kind of defense takes a LOT more time to prepare. It requires talking to many experts, people who knew him, etc.




guilty, guilty, guilty — repeated 165 times over an entire hour
Is that really needed? An hour of saying guilty? You can't say 'guilty on all counts'?

[Zippyjuan]

They can initially say on all counts but to verify, the Judge has to read off each charge and again ask the jury if that is indeed their decision on that particular charge.

"On the charge of ...., how do you find the defendant? Is this your final decision?" It took time to go through all 165 of them.

[CPUd]

I bet about halfway through reading the verdicts, the dude was thinking he should have picked a theater that was less crowded.