No! It can't be! ISIS beheading production video hacked from McCain's phone???

[devil21]

Not that it should surprise anyone but.....just wow.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrsH9m8skro

eta: original deleted!

nother:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFKo86uYHyo

[timosman]

A link for our english viewers


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqE396Uk6ZY

[timosman]

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=58a_1436645706


Hackers of the CyberBerkut group have released a video of the execution of prisoners of the Islamic State (AR), Islamist terrorist armed organization, which according to the images, was filmed in a recording studio.

Hackers have explained that they have found the video on an electronic device to a friend of U.S. Senator John McCain.

“We, the CyberBerkut group, had at our disposal a file which it is difficult to underestimate the importance! “Dear Senator McCain, we recommend that you not take with you secret documents in any travel abroad, especially in Ukraine”.

After what we see in the video, a “prisoner” is ‘executed’ front several cameras, with a light well chosen. An actor dressed as executioner of the grouping of the Islamic State, puts a knife near of “sequestered” throat, which is mine to suffer.

Recall that since August 2014, the terrorists of the Islamic State have released several videos of executions. Their victims were yet miraculously calm, made their last words and died in the arms of terrorists. Many Internet users have seen these videos as being fictional, particularly because of the reactions of the tortured and the quality of the videos.

The Americans have repeatedly been blamed for having made videos of the group the Islamic State. Thus, a student from the University of Nevada Ivy Zidrich stated to Jeb Bush that his brother, the former a US president George Bush, had created the Organization of the ISIS.

[enhanced_deficit]

This news does not seem to support theories that IS stands for "Israeli Saudi" alliance.

But some old questions come to the forefront again:

If US Press is free, why it never reported source of fake BL photos? (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?410319-If-US-Press-is-free-why-it-never-reported-source-of-fake-BL-photos&)


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Did media ever report who was behind fake tweet that crashed US markets? (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?414944-Did-media-ever-report-who-was-behind-fake-tweet-that-crashed-US-markets&)
SS chief: Guarding fake White House could help with real thing (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?470923-SS-chief-Guarding-fake-White-House-could-help-with-real-thing&)

[twomp]

Not saying that this report isn't credible but the hackers could have released more information about this "staffer" to gain more credibility. Phone contacts, emails, texts, selfies, boobies, dick pics. Something that will show the world that this is indeed off of one of McCain's staffers. Seeing as how they "hacked" the phone, they should have all that info as well.

[Zippyjuan]

If that was shot with a cell phone, it was not hand held or the image would be moving around. Whatever was used to shoot it is on a tripod of some sort.

Supposedly supplied by Cyberberkut but it can't be found on their website. http://www.cyber-berkut.org/en/video.php

Aha. I see at the Live Link site the story is written by Gordon Duff. He is the editor of Veteran's Today (the original source) which admits that most of their stories are made up.


http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/07/11/staged-isis-beheading-video-hacked-from-mccain-staffer/
Posted by Gordon Duff, Senior Editor on July 11, 2015

They claimed that 9/11 was done by dozens of nuclear bombs and that Israel operates a converted ancient 707 fuel tanker they outfitted with lasers which can destroy cities.

30% of what he writes is patently false and 40% is at least partially false he says.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3m-ZY0R1HdQ

He has many 9/11 nuke stories. Just one: http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/05/01/mystery-solved-the-wtc-was-nuked-on-911/

Laser Death Ray: http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/08/11/israel-unleashes-death-ray-on-gaza/

He can't be taken seriously.

[devil21]

I don't have time to do it right now but it would be easy enough to compare with the beheading videos. I remember one having that exact "wind ripple" on the "victim's" shirt.

Hey Zip, based on your argument, the VT dude also releases a lot of accurate information too. Who claimed that Duff is the origin of the op video though? That production vid definitely strikes me as legit but I agree that more info on whoever it came from needs to be released. Down the rabbit hole we go!

[devil21]

This news does not seem to support theories that IS stands for "Israeli Saudi" alliance.

Why do you think that?

[Zippyjuan]

I don't have time to do it right now but it would be easy enough to compare with the beheading videos. I remember one having that exact "wind ripple" on the "victim's" shirt.

Hey Zip, based on your argument, the VT dude also releases a lot of accurate information too. Who claimed that Duff is the origin of the op video though? That production vid definitely strikes me as legit but I agree that more info on whoever it came from needs to be released. Down the rabbit hole we go!

If wind was rippling a shirt, the scene was probably not at an indoors stage where there would be no wind.

If his self- reported figures are correct, that leaves only 30% all true. I don't consider that a very trustworthy rate. He takes facts and unrelated facts and sometimes just makes things up and combines them together. The CyberBerkut was concerning McCain visiting Ukraine- not the video. Some reports of the video story say the video came from McCain's laptop. Others say it was from McCain's cell phone yet others say it is from a "friend" of McCain so they are not consistent either.

[devil21]

If wind was rippling a shirt, the scene was probably not at an indoors stage where there would be no wind.

:snort: Too funny.



If his self- reported figures are correct, that leaves only 30% all true. I don't consider that a very trustworthy rate. He takes facts and unrelated facts and sometimes just makes things up and combines them together. The CyberBerkut was concerning McCain visiting Ukraine- not the video. Some reports of the video story say the video came from McCain's laptop. Others say it was from McCain's cell phone yet others say it is from a "friend" of McCain so they are not consistent either.

Who knows? I'm pretty sure the video is what it is alleged to be and that's what matters.

Nailed it.
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?460847-New-fake-beheading-video-incoming

[Slave Mentality]

If wind was rippling a shirt, the scene was probably not at an indoors stage where there would be no wind.



Check out my new book idea Zippy: "Fans, How do They Work?"

[Ender]

If that was shot with a cell phone, it was not hand held or the image would be moving around. Whatever was used to shoot it is on a tripod of some sort.



Zip- there are tripods made especially for cell phones. Professional cell phone filming is done all over the world and is becoming THE hottest way to shoot a film.

[devil21]

I knew I recognized that wind ripple on the shirt.

http://i.imgur.com/6XvLwKt.gifv

McCain was in Ukraine in late 2013
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/dec/15/john-mccain-ukraine-protests-support-just-cause

and 2014
http://www.mccain.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/2014/9/statement-by-senator-john-mccain-in-kyiv-ukraine

and early 2015
http://www.militarytimes.com/story/military/capitol-hill/2015/06/20/senator-john-mccain-slams-european-stance-on-ukraine/29044709/

http://www.mccain.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/2015/6/statement-by-sasc-chairman-john-mccain-on-congressional-delegation-trip-to-eastern-ukraine

He's been there at least 6 times in the last few years, including only three weeks ago. All paid for by taxpayers.

This truly shows how much of a non-election the 2008 presidential vote was.

[Zippyjuan]

Video in the OP is apparently from the making of a Turkish TV series called "Valley of the Wolves: Ambush" from 2007. Yes, it does look similar to the beheading videos.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TnjnJvQXPz4

[Sola_Fide]

Is this legit?

[Zippyjuan]

More info and comparisons: http://businessofemotions.org/tag/valley-of-the-wolves-ambush/


Let’s note some apparent similarities and differences between this television drama and the ‘Jihadi John’ show:

The characters are arranged in the same way. The orange-suited prisoner is on his knees to the left and the dark-clad would-be executioner is to his left. The lead characters are always frame-right on television and in movies (the 180 degree rule).
Their body language is the same. Stoic prisoner looking his death straight in the face (forgoing a blindfold); menacing executioner, gleaming knife in his left hand.
Let’s look at that executioner more closely.
The same American style boots as Jihadi John.
The knife, of course, held in much the same way. It appears as if both executioners are left-handed, but there is a reason for that. Since the knife takes the lead role in these scenes it has to be frame-right and that means they must hold it in their left hand. They don’t actually have to be left-handed because the hand does no actual beheading.
The gun is positioned on the left in both cases (see above explanation re the knife). Both guns are held in very similar shoulder-harnesses (over both shoulders).
Their face coverings are very similar. We can see the eyes but not the mouth.
His apparel is a shade lighter than that of Jihadi John.
The skin colour of the Kurtlar Vadisi Pusu executioner looks pretty similar to that of ‘Jihadi John’, although he is a little more portly and less athletic looking than JJ.
The wind is different. This is a real wind. The IS wind came from a wind machine. This real wind effects their clothing as real winds do—in different ways at different times.
The camera angles are similar. Full frontal and from the side.
The Kurtlar Vadisi Pusu back ground has depth. The eye senses that these characters could walk into the distance. The IS videos lack this quality.
and so on.

More at link.

The episode in question (#230): (jump to 1:01:30 for the scene).


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bm7TfZwbanE

[CPUd]

This should be in Hot Topics.

[devil21]

No, no, it shouldn't be in Hot Topics.



Video in the OP is apparently from the making of a Turkish TV series called "Valley of the Wolves: Ambush" from 2007. Yes, it does look similar to the beheading videos.


So what you're saying is that the ISIS "beheading" videos were made by the same people that made the turkish tv show? That seems like a reasonable conclusion since that's how productions are made....you know, by professionals :rolleyes:

[Zippyjuan]

Possibly. But also possible ISIS saw the movie and thought it looked effective so they copied it.

[devil21]

Possibly. But also possible ISIS saw the movie and thought it looked effective so they copied it.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
http://www.welovetheiraqiinformationminister.com/images/07-minister.jpg

[Cleaner44]

Zip- there are tripods made especially for cell phones. Professional cell phone filming is done all over the world and is becoming THE hottest way to shoot a film.

Phones also can hold video files that are shot from any type of camera, including Star Wars films.

[devil21]

Ahem

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/10/01/pentagon-paid-for-fake-al-qaeda-videos.html

[Jesse James]

they faked the videos of Bin Laden.