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AuH20
07-11-2015, 11:56 AM
Kudos to the author for not beating around the bush and hiding behind a deranged killer so as to enforce his wishes.

http ://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/07/how-the-south-skews-america-119725.html?ml=m_a3_1#.VaFXdvlVhBf


Minus the South, the rest of the U.S. probably would be more like Canada or Australia or Britain or New Zealand—more secular, more socially liberal, more moderate in the tone of its politics and somewhat more generous in social policy. And it would not be as centralized as France or as social democratic as Sweden.



The mythology of American exceptionalism holds that ever since 1776 the United States has led the rest of the world in expanding individual liberty and the growth of the middle class. This makes for inspiring Fourth of July rhetoric, but it has never been true. In reality, the United States has frequently lagged behind Britain and her other offspring in these areas. Britain peacefully abolished slavery within its empire in the 1830s; thanks to Southern opposition, the U.S. did so only as the result of the catastrophic Civil War. And thanks to mid-century Southern members of Congress, welfare-state policies from home ownership to Social Security were designed to reinforce segregation or exclude the disproportionately-Southern black and white poor. Not until the 1960s, with the help of federal military intervention in Southern states, was the right of African-Americans to vote secured. And today white Southern Republicans are at the forefront of efforts to roll back the voting rights revolution by making voter registration more difficult.



Southern violence also goes a long way toward explaining the exceptional violence of the United States in general compared to otherwise similar countries. The pre-modern “culture of honor” continues to exist to a greater degree in the South. White Southerners are more likely than white northerners to respond to insults with increased testosterone and aggression, according to social scientists. According to the FBI in 2012, the South as a region, containing only a quarter of the population, accounted for 40.9 percent of U.S. violent crime.
Compared to other Americans, Southerners disproportionately support sanctioned violence in all of its forms, from military intervention abroad to capital punishment to corporal punishment of children. According to Gallup, Southern households have a far higher rate of gun ownership (38 percent) than households in the East (21 percent), Midwest (29 percent) or West (27 percent).


All of this leaves little doubt that, in the absence of Southern exceptionalism, the U.S. would be much more similar to other English-speaking democracies, which don’t subject their leaders to religious tests, don’t suffer from high levels of gun violence and don’t rival communist China and despotic Saudi Arabia in the number of executions per capita. Without the gravitational force exerted on the South, American conservatism itself would be radically different—more Bob Dole than Ted Cruz.

Anti Federalist
07-11-2015, 12:10 PM
Oh, well, if the author is going to start pulling that shit...



According to the FBI in 2012, the South as a region, containing only a quarter of the population, accounted for 40.9 percent of U.S. violent crime.

http://www.censusscope.org/us/map_nhblack.gif

euphemia
07-11-2015, 12:17 PM
Southern violence? Who invaded whom?

If it wasn't for the South, the US would be a totally socialist regime.

surf
07-11-2015, 12:21 PM
in the south, I tried to stop a guy from hitting a gal and almost got the shit beat out of me by 6 of his (southern exceptional) redneck friends.... I have no proof, but if that happened here i'm fairly certain I wouldn't have to deal with his friends.

that said, the south does have one thing going for it: daisy dukes and young women that can wear them well

nobody's_hero
07-11-2015, 12:41 PM
Oh, well, if the author is going to start pulling that shit...




http://www.censusscope.org/us/map_nhblack.gif

statistics are racist!

nobody's_hero
07-11-2015, 12:44 PM
On behalf of the South I apologize, and feel that the U.S. would be much better off if the union would kick us out. (please :) )

phill4paul
07-11-2015, 01:08 PM
in the south, I tried to stop a guy from hitting a gal and almost got the shit beat out of me by 6 of his (southern exceptional) redneck friends.... I have no proof, but if that happened here i'm fairly certain I wouldn't have to deal with his friends.

that said, the south does have one thing going for it: daisy dukes and young women that can wear them well

I've seen it happen in the North. So..............

phill4paul
07-11-2015, 01:08 PM
statistics are racist!

Ban 'em.

GunnyFreedom
07-11-2015, 01:09 PM
in the south, I tried to stop a guy from hitting a gal and almost got the shit beat out of me by 6 of his (southern exceptional) redneck friends.... I have no proof, but if that happened here i'm fairly certain I wouldn't have to deal with his friends.

that said, the south does have one thing going for it: daisy dukes and young women that can wear them well

I'm pretty sure you can find asshole posses in all 50 states.

acptulsa
07-11-2015, 01:17 PM
On behalf of the South I apologize, and feel that the U.S. would be much better off if the union would kick us out. (please :) )

This. WTF is politico after here?

The first United States civil war happened in the middle of the Nineteenth Century when the north tried to stuff one regulation too many down the throats of the South, and the southern states decided they wanted a different, more humble federal government. The second United States civil war happened about 175 years later, after the Centralized Press had demonized the southern states to the point where the residents of the northern states kicked them out of the union.

The military industrial complex then declared that it had the right (under the precedent of fighting 'secessionists') to decimate the entire region.

FloralScent
07-11-2015, 01:31 PM
I've seen it happen in the North. So..............

I've only seen it happen in the north, but I'm from Appalachia, I'm sure southern cities are a different story.

Ronin Truth
07-11-2015, 01:55 PM
That map would be very interesting, and more helpful to see, with the black violent crime removed.

Tywysog Cymru
07-11-2015, 02:47 PM
Southern violence? Who invaded whom?

If it wasn't for the South, the US would be a totally socialist regime.

The South also overwhelmingly voted for Woodrow Wilson and FDR. It also was a region where Ron Paul performed the worst IIRC. There are a lot of good things about the South but the glorification of the South by Northerners on RPF baffles me.

Zippyjuan
07-11-2015, 02:53 PM
Sort of related map to your request:
https://img.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=https://img.washingtonpost.com/blogs/govbeat/files/2015/01/BlackHomicides.png&w=1484

Versus:
http://endoftheamericandream.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Homicides-Per-100000-Population-Photo-by-Delphi234-460x306.png

fisharmor
07-11-2015, 03:12 PM
The article seems to omit the fact that the US had an opportunity to be minus the south, and chose to keep it by force.

nobody's_hero
07-11-2015, 03:14 PM
The South also overwhelmingly voted for Woodrow Wilson and FDR. It also was a region where Ron Paul performed the worst IIRC. There are a lot of good things about the South but the glorification of the South by Northerners on RPF baffles me.

I live in GA and I will say that I think Mid-west republicans will out-republican GA republicans any day of the week, when it comes to actually being for holding government accountable, being for lower taxes, supporting the true limited-government candidates, etc. The good 'ole boy system runs deep in the deep South.

When Indiana passed the 'right-to-resist' law, which states you're protected if you shoot a cop during an un-announced raid on your home (provided you think you are defending your home from unknown assailants), GA republicans were running around screaming bloody murder when a similar bill was proposed in our state legislature. Pussies, I say.

willwash
07-11-2015, 03:49 PM
Do you have one broken into counties?



Sort of related map to your request:
https://img.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=https://img.washingtonpost.com/blogs/govbeat/files/2015/01/BlackHomicides.png&w=1484

Versus:
http://endoftheamericandream.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Homicides-Per-100000-Population-Photo-by-Delphi234-460x306.png

ifthenwouldi
07-11-2015, 04:09 PM
I've only seen it happen in the north, but I'm from Appalachia, I'm sure southern cities are a different story.

Same. Also, I love seeing others who distinguish the South from Appalachia. You from Southern or Northern Appalachia?

paleocon1
07-11-2015, 05:24 PM
Kudos to the author for not beating around the bush and hiding behind a deranged killer so as to enforce his wishes.

http ://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/07/how-the-south-skews-america-119725.html?ml=m_a3_1#.VaFXdvlVhBf

Well then let the confederate states go!!!!!!...........as long as Kansas gets to go with the Confederacy.

timosman
07-11-2015, 05:39 PM
Minus the South, the rest of the U.S. probably would be more like Canada or Australia or Britain or New Zealand—more secular, more socially liberal, more moderate in the tone of its politics and somewhat more generous in social policy.

Probably :D

ThePaleoLibertarian
07-11-2015, 05:50 PM
Shitlibs will grasp at anything to avoid the racial reality of violent crime.

cajuncocoa
07-11-2015, 07:14 PM
The article seems to omit the fact that the US had an opportunity to be minus the south, and chose to keep it by force.
Thread winner.

FloralScent
07-11-2015, 07:20 PM
Same. Also, I love seeing others who distinguish the South from Appalachia. You from Southern or Northern Appalachia?

Southern, and I identify as a Southerner.

FloralScent
07-11-2015, 07:21 PM
Well then let the confederate states go!!!!!!...........as long as Kansas gets to go with the Confederacy.


Missouri might have something to say about that.

Ronin Truth
07-12-2015, 12:16 PM
Sort of related map to your request:
https://img.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=https://img.washingtonpost.com/blogs/govbeat/files/2015/01/BlackHomicides.png&w=1484

Versus:
http://endoftheamericandream.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Homicides-Per-100000-Population-Photo-by-Delphi234-460x306.png

It's a start.

ifthenwouldi
07-12-2015, 12:30 PM
Southern, and I identify as a Southerner.

Interesting. I'm from western NC. You?

Most of my (now deceased) family considered themselves "mountain folk" first, Americans second (many fought in WWII), and Southerners third.

Carlybee
07-12-2015, 12:45 PM
Interesting. I'm from western NC. You?

Most of my (now deceased) family considered themselves "mountain folk" first, Americans second (many fought in WWII), and Southerners third.

My dad's folks were all from Western N.C.

FloralScent
07-12-2015, 02:08 PM
Interesting. I'm from western NC. You?

Most of my (now deceased) family considered themselves "mountain folk" first, Americans second (many fought in WWII), and Southerners third.

I'm from West Virginia and descended from Confederate veterans who were from the same area. The Southern identity was instilled in me from childhood. If someone was displaying a flag when I was growing up, 9 times out of 10 it was Confederate.