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LibertyEagle
06-28-2007, 01:56 PM
"Finally, compared to Mr. Thompson's lifetime ACU rating of 86.1 and Mr. Frist's 87.8, worth noting is Arizona Sen. John McCain's 82.3. Also worth noting are the lifetime ACU ratings of so-called "second-tier" Republican presidential candidates: Kansas Sen. Sam Brownback, 94.0; California Rep. Duncan Hunter, 92.0; Colorado Rep. Tom Tancredo, 97.8; and Texas Rep. Ron Paul, 82.3."

http://www.washingtontimes.com/article/20070623/EDITORIAL/106230006/1013


Anyone know what causes Paul not to get 100%? It probably has something to do with the "social conservative" BS big government interference that our good doctor would never agree to.

SWATH
06-28-2007, 02:01 PM
I would say the way that they define what is conservatism is flawed.

For example: Paul voted against banning lawsuits against gun manufacturers. They would consider this liberal or unconservative as evidenced by the NRA holding this against him (as if he were anti-gun), however it IS conservative because Paul's reasoning would prohibit government favortism to any industry

angrydragon
06-28-2007, 02:05 PM
Yup. How conservative is the ACU?

I'd like to see how they rate Congressman Jeff Flake, I think is his name, who is rated number 1 at 90% or higher ( I can't remember) with NTU.

My internet connection is slow for some reason, I can't check the ntu site.

Duckman
06-28-2007, 02:06 PM
Yes. That's part of the reason I prefer libertarianism to conservatism - they are similar, but there are some pet issues that conservatives feel are worth curtailing liberty to protect.

LibertyEagle
06-28-2007, 02:55 PM
Yes. That's part of the reason I prefer libertarianism to conservatism - they are similar, but there are some pet issues that conservatives feel are worth curtailing liberty to protect.

Nah, not real ones. Ain't no such thing as a "social conservative". Either you're for small government and the Constitution, or you aren't. Period. And if you aren't, you cannot rightfully call yourself a conservative.

atilla
06-28-2007, 03:53 PM
"Finally, compared to Mr. Thompson's lifetime ACU rating of 86.1 and Mr. Frist's 87.8, worth noting is Arizona Sen. John McCain's 82.3. Also worth noting are the lifetime ACU ratings of so-called "second-tier" Republican presidential candidates: Kansas Sen. Sam Brownback, 94.0; California Rep. Duncan Hunter, 92.0; Colorado Rep. Tom Tancredo, 97.8; and Texas Rep. Ron Paul, 82.3."

http://www.washingtontimes.com/article/20070623/EDITORIAL/106230006/1013


Anyone know what causes Paul not to get 100%? It probably has something to do with the "social conservative" BS big government interference that our good doctor would never agree to.

well who cares about the ACU, ron paul gets 100% from the John Birch Society, Cannabis Culture magazine and the Christian Coalition.


Ron Paul supporter since 1979

oldpaths1611
06-28-2007, 04:34 PM
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/politics/20070627-0016-southcarolina-thompson.html

ShaneC
06-28-2007, 04:42 PM
ron paul gets 100% from the John Birch Society, Cannabis Culture magazine and the Christian Coalition.


Anyone else find that highly ironic?

LibertyEagle
06-28-2007, 04:47 PM
well who cares about the ACU, ron paul gets 100% from the John Birch Society, Cannabis Culture magazine and the Christian Coalition.


Ron Paul supporter since 1979

Well, my eyes must be playing tricks on me, because I see a 76 for Paul from the Christian Coalition.
http://www.cc.org/2004scorecard.pdf

angrydragon
06-28-2007, 04:55 PM
The Christian Coalition was founded in 1989 by Dr. Pat Robertson...

LibertyEagle
06-28-2007, 05:02 PM
The Christian Coalition was founded in 1989 by Dr. Pat Robertson...

Well, that explains it. :)

atilla
06-28-2007, 05:15 PM
Well, my eyes must be playing tricks on me, because I see a 76 for Paul from the Christian Coalition.
http://www.cc.org/2004scorecard.pdf

well, i got that from a leftist blog.

http://dneiwert.blogspot.com/2007/06/trouble-with-ron.html

Then, there's the 100% legislative ranking Paul got from Cannabis Culture magazine -- a fact that lifts liberal spirits everywhere, and is very consistent with his libertarian views. But we shouldn't let that blind us to the fact that he also got 100% rankings from both the Christian Coalition and the John Birch Society -- two entities far more powerful and serious than Cannabis Culture,, and which actively wish ill on people like us. Christian Coalition founder Pat Robertson actively helped midwife Paul's budding political career: according to the New York Times, his political teams were circulating campaign letters promoting Paul over Bush I as a presidential candidate all the way back in 1988.

but in checking that out i found this list

http://www.vote-smart.org/issue_rating_category.php?can_id=296

very interesting how many 0% ron paul gets. and he does get regular 100% ratings from the john birch society and all pro-arab pro-muslim groups.

mconder
06-28-2007, 05:37 PM
The fact that he is CFR should tell you everything you need to know on the subject.

LibertyEagle
06-28-2007, 06:09 PM
and he does get regular 100% ratings from the john birch society and all pro-arab pro-muslim groups.

He gets a 100% from the John Birch Society because of his constitutional voting record. What's more, they list the legislation, their take on it and how each rep. voted. It's a pretty darn good scorecard and you sure can tell exactly what is going into the total grade they give the person. Take a look at the latest Conservative Index:

http://www.jbs.org/files/ci-109-4.pdf

Here is one from '06:
http://www.jbs.org/files/ci-109-3.pdf

WannaBfree
06-28-2007, 06:21 PM
In yesterday's Kent Snyder interview it was mentioned that Thompson is backed by the Bushes.

RPin2008
06-28-2007, 09:05 PM
http://republicanrenaissance.blogspot.com/2007/06/ron-paul-and-fred-thompson-comparison.html

This is a great article comapring Fred Thompson's voting record to Ron Paul's.

LibertyEagle
06-28-2007, 09:43 PM
In yesterday's Kent Snyder interview it was mentioned that Thompson is backed by the Bushes.

I wish we had something that proved that. The only thing I've seen shows that he is stacking his foreign policy team with Bushiites.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/013/764cbfmo.asp

angrydragon
06-28-2007, 10:37 PM
Fred Dalton Thompson is planning to enter the presidential race over the Fourth of July holiday, announcing this week that he has already raised several million dollars and is being backed by insiders from the past three Republican administrations, Thompson advisers told The Politico.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0507/4243.html

BillyBeer
06-28-2007, 11:39 PM
Fred Dalton Thompson is planning to enter the presidential race over the Fourth of July holiday, announcing this week that he has already raised several million dollars and is being backed by insiders from the past three Republican administrations, Thompson advisers told The Politico.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0507/4243.html

Ron Paul needs to bring this up in a debate should Fred actually appear at one.

WannaBfree
06-28-2007, 11:52 PM
I wish we had something that proved that. The only thing I've seen shows that he is stacking his foreign policy team with Bushiites.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/013/764cbfmo.asp

I found this:
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0607/4309.html

susano
06-28-2007, 11:54 PM
well who cares about the ACU, ron paul gets 100% from the John Birch Society, Cannabis Culture magazine and the Christian Coalition.


Ron Paul supporter since 1979

The Christian Coalition??? LOL. You've gotta be kidding. Scary.

LibertyEagle
06-29-2007, 06:56 AM
The Christian Coalition??? LOL. You've gotta be kidding. Scary.

Actually, it's not true. The Christian Coalition, for one, gave him a rating somewhere in the 70s.

LibertyEagle
06-29-2007, 06:57 AM
Fred Dalton Thompson is planning to enter the presidential race over the Fourth of July holiday, announcing this week that he has already raised several million dollars and is being backed by insiders from the past three Republican administrations, Thompson advisers told The Politico.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0507/4243.html

So, in other words.... Bush, Bush and Bush. :D

LibertyEagle
06-29-2007, 06:59 AM
I found this:
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0607/4309.html


"Key Bush backers rally to Fred Thompson"

Great! Thanks. :)

mesler
06-29-2007, 07:06 AM
You have 2 camps of conservative Christians:

1.) Those who accept federal involvement in matters of morality (gay marriage, abortion)

2.) Those who don't accept federal involvement, but are perfectly accepting of state involvement.


Organizations who are in the 1st camp will see Dr. Paul's votes against amendments to ban gay marriage, for example, as a ding to his 'conservative' record, but other organizations who fall into camp 2 will not.

Camp 1 are basically big government conservatives.