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KEEF
07-08-2015, 08:55 PM
Three Bloomfield Hills kids who refused an order by a judge to go to lunch with their father have been ordered to a juvenile detention facility.

"I felt like I was watching them be executed," said Maya Tsimhoni.

The Tsimhoni family was in Oakland County's family court for a hearing on supervised parenting time when Judge Lisa Gorcyca took matters into her own hands.

Read the court transcript as the judge as she sent the three kids to Children's Village

June 24 court transcripts showed how upset the judge was. She ordered the Tsimhoni kids ages 14,10 and 9 to have a "healthy relationship" with their father.

She criticized them for avoiding him and even compared them to Charles Manson and his cult. Gorcyca then ordered the children to apologize and have a nice lunch with their dad.

When they refused, Gorcyca held them in contempt and had each child hauled off to Children's Village's juvenile hall - until they are 18 years old.

"No matter how bad the divorce gets, I think the court should not punish the kids for that," Tsimhoni said.

Tsimhoni admits the last five years have not been easy in and out of court through a messy divorce and allegations of parental kidnapping and alienation.

Her son at one point even tried to explain to the judge why he didn't want to spend time with his dad.

"Because he is violent and I saw him hit my mom," he said in court documents.

But Judge Gorcyca claimed he had been brainwashed.

"Since that day I cannot eat, I cannot sleep," Tsimhoni said. "I cannot understand something like that can even happen in this country."

Lisa Stern is now representing Maya, fighting to get her kids back and out of Children's Village where they have been for over two weeks.

"I have been doing family law for 20 years and I must say this shocks the conscience," Stern said. "I think we have a court with the best interest of children in mind. I think the judge was very concerned about reunification of this family, but went about it the wrong way.

"I know laws were violated and I know that the children were punished for crimes they did not commit."

The Tsimhoni kids are separated from both parents and now each other. Their mother isn't even allowed to visit.

Instead they are forced to live with troubled or neglected children and some who have committed crimes. But ironically, the Tsimhoni children did not.

FOX 2: "Even if the judge felt (their mother) was endangering these children, would this be the proper place to put these kids?"

"No," Stern said. "There are so many steps you can take before you can ... they would never get to a Children's Village."

"I want them back home," Tsimhoni said. "Help them heal, give them the love they need and deserve."

FOX 2 called Judge Gorcyca who did not respond, although judges can't comment on pending cases.

According to documents, they do plan to be in court again to review this case in September. She wants the kids to change but many feel this isn't the way.

FOX 2 called the father's attorney Kerri Middleditch and is waiting to hear back.

The father is the only one that has the power to change it. If he feels the kids learned their lesson, he could have them released. But the day after the hearing, he left for Israel for work and is not expected back for two weeks.

Their mother appealed for an emergency hearing to the same judge, who has denied it.

Stern says she is asking the chief judge in Oakland County Family Court to review the case Tuesday.

Full video below
http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/clip/11661498/judge-orders-kids-held-in-juvenile-center-after-refusing-to-see-dad

sparebulb
07-08-2015, 10:25 PM
+rep for the judge!

Assuming they live through it, what better way is there for these three kids to learn to respect the law.

Cissy
07-08-2015, 11:03 PM
So, because Mom and Dad can't manage to act like adults long enough to amicably go through the process, the kids are snatched up by the state?

Those poor kids---especially that nine year old.

Ronin Truth
07-09-2015, 07:10 AM
Maybe staying in juvie, is actually preferable to seeing Dad.

mosquitobite
07-09-2015, 08:03 AM
I am so confused! If the judge thought the mother was brainwashing the kids with parental alienation (which is totally abuse, by the way -whether she speaks truth or not!) why would she not just change custody to the father?! Why would you put them in a juvenile home where the kids could be further abused?!

Dumb dumb dumb!

As for parental alienation - I have zero respect for a parent that bashes the other parent in front of their children. Keep that venting for your friends and away from your kids' ears. A child is 50% mom/50% dad. When you bash the other parent, you are killing half of your child - it does unimaginable damage to their psyche. No matter how awful your child's parent is, you keep it to yourself.

Think about it - you chose to sleep with them. Now you are hating them. Eventually the child thinks they shouldn't have been born because they were born from hate. Don't do that to your children. Please.

In this case it appears the mother has convinced the children that in order to take her side, they must not see their father. She's turned them into codependents. Their own adult relationships will be screwed up because of this.

fisharmor
07-09-2015, 08:37 AM
"Since that day I cannot eat, I cannot sleep," Tsimhoni said. "I cannot understand something like that can even happen in this country."

Your question was answered a very short time later in the article, Mrs. Tsimhoni:


"I have been doing family law for 20 years and I must say this shocks the conscience," Stern said. "I think we have a court with the best interest of children in mind. I think the judge was very concerned about reunification of this family, but went about it the wrong way.

This... this is how this happens in this country.
You get lawyers who are somehow capable of finishing 8 years of school and a rigorous test, to be able to practice "law", and then after 20 years of practicing "law" and seeing every bad thing the system does, those lawyers are suddenly shocked at what happens in these courts.

How can this happen in this country? Because scumbag lying lawyers will say anything to you to keep you on as a client, you fucking rube.
Stern isn't shocked. Stern has seen crazier shit than this.
Stern is issuing a public statement about how wrong this is, Mrs. Tsimhoni, for one and only one reason: to be able to cash your check.

If Stern went to Mrs. Tsimhoni and told her the unmitigated truth - that shit like this happens every single day and it sucks to be you but if you don't empty out all your savings into this lawyer's account you're going to lose everything - how likely is it that Stern would have gotten a hold of Tsimhoni's life savings?

And Stern sure as hell isn't going to fight for this, because Stern has her good-ol-boys club firmly in place, where she hobnobs her way into the extra money she needs for her second summer house. If she started bucking the system, she'd get disbarred, because she'd not only be threatening her own second summer house, but the second summer house of every other leech who haunts the courthouse.

Right and wrong don't mean a fucking thing to these scumbags. They exist for one reason only... to soak the unfortunate.
The crusader lawyer is every bit the TV myth as Andy Taylor is. Fictional characters who don't exist in reality.

euphemia
07-09-2015, 08:38 AM
So the kids will now be indoctrinated by the State until they say or do something incriminating. Then the State will say, "See, we told you."

Cissy
07-09-2015, 09:28 AM
I am so confused! If the judge thought the mother was brainwashing the kids with parental alienation (which is totally abuse, by the way -whether she speaks truth or not!) why would she not just change custody to the father?! Why would you put them in a juvenile home where the kids could be further abused?!

Dumb dumb dumb!

As for parental alienation - I have zero respect for a parent that bashes the other parent in front of their children. Keep that venting for your friends and away from your kids' ears. A child is 50% mom/50% dad. When you bash the other parent, you are killing half of your child - it does unimaginable damage to their psyche. No matter how awful your child's parent is, you keep it to yourself.

Think about it - you chose to sleep with them. Now you are hating them. Eventually the child thinks they shouldn't have been born because they were born from hate. Don't do that to your children. Please.

In this case it appears the mother has convinced the children that in order to take her side, they must not see their father. She's turned them into codependents. Their own adult relationships will be screwed up because of this.

I'm not thrilled with either parent---what kind of parent hears their children are being put in juvie and doesn't do everything in their power to either prevent it from happening or pulling them out immediately.

It seems both of the "adults" are so determined to tear eachother apart that the kids aren't really on their radar.

mosquitobite
07-09-2015, 09:46 AM
I'm not thrilled with either parent---what kind of parent hears their children are being put in juvie and doesn't do everything in their power to either prevent it from happening or pulling them out immediately.

It seems both of the "adults" are so determined to tear eachother apart that the kids aren't really on their radar.

Exactly. How does the dad go to Israel for a business trip with no concern for his kids?!?!