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Marenco
07-01-2015, 12:04 AM
Obama Issues 19 Classified Directives Changing Laws Passed by Congress

''The very word "secrecy" is repugnant in a free and open society; and we are as a people inherently and historically opposed to secret societies, to secret oaths and to secret proceedings. [...] there is little value in opposing the threat of a closed society by imitating its arbitrary restrictions. Even today, there is little value in insuring the survival of our nation if our traditions do not survive with it.'' -- JFK

Everything secret degenerates, even the administration of justice; nothing is safe that does not show how it can bear discussion and publicity.” — Lord Acton

Since being inaugurated in 2009, President Barack Obama has issued 30 Presidential Policy Directives (PPD), 19 of which he has ordered to be kept secret from Congres and the American people.

Barack Obama campaigned for president promising to usher in an era of transparency in government. That promise stands next to “if you like your doctor you can keep your doctor” in the Barack Obama Presidential Hall of Shame.

No less than USA Today called attention to these secret orders in an article published on June 24. The article explained:

Of the 30 PPDs issued by Obama, 19 have not been released. And for 11 of those, the White House has not disclosed even the subject of the order.

"It's not only the public that doesn't have copies. It's also Congress that doesn't have copies," Aftergood said. "It's a domain of largely unchecked presidential authority. It doesn't mean it's bad, but it's lacking in independent oversight.”

But they have the same legal force as an executive order, forming a body of largely secret law, said Harold Relyea, a political scientist who advised Congress on national security directives before retiring from the Congressional Research Service.

"The difference is that while executive orders are public by law — they must be published in the Federal Register to be effective — PPDs are not," he said. "It is a kind of secret law. People have to obey it. But it's a directive that can allocate money, direct people or take a course of action.”

Lest anyone believe that the practice of ruling by this particular form of fiat began with the current occupant of the Oval Office, the USA Today provides a bit of historical context for the documents:

What Obama calls PPDs have gone by different names by different presidents back to the Truman Administration. President George W. Bush called them National Security Presidential Directives (NPSDs). President Clinton called them Presidential Decision Directives (PDDs). President Nixon called them National Security Decision Memoranda.

Whatever they're called, Obama has been less prolific than his predecessors. George W. Bush issued 66 such orders, plus 25 more Homeland Security Presidential Directives. President Reagan issued at least 325.

Some, going back as far as the Lyndon Johnson administration, remain classified.

Even the existence of the latest PPD issued by President Obama was unknown until another document referenced it, perhaps by accident. Again, from the USA Today:

A one-digit correction to President Obama's directive on hostage policy Wednesday had the effect of disclosing the existence of a previously unknown — and still-secret — Obama order on national security.

The hostage policy was originally released Wednesday as a presidential policy directive numbered PPD-29. When the White House corrected that number to PPD-30, it meant Obama had issued a secret directive as PPD-29 sometime in the past 17 months.

Obama signed PPD-28, an order on electronic eavesdropping in the wake of revelations by Edward Snowden, in January 2014.

So what is PPD-29? No one's talking. A spokesman for the National Security Council declined to comment of the existence of classified PPDs Wednesday.

One of the most egregious examples of President Obama’s duplicity is the way he and his administration have responded to the roster of revelations that have come from Snowden’s leaks of documents defining the surveillance activities of the National Security Agency (NSA).

As he continues burrowing deeper and deeper into the sands of secrecy, President Obama seems not to realize that soil shifts, and there will always be those committed to digging around until the truth is uncovered.

McClatchy writes:

Mark Jaycox, a policy analyst for the Electronic Frontier Foundation, said he doesn’t expect the administration to change much even amid the intense criticism. This administration, he said, has always held fast against similar criticism. For example, it resisted for years bipartisan pressure to release more information about its top-secret targeted killing program.

“It’s a pattern of the Obama administration,” he said.

Tech Dirt recognizes the problem for the president:

Extreme secrecy may seem like the easier short-term strategy, but it's just digging an ever deeper hole that the administration is going to have to try to climb out of in the long-term. Hiding reality from a public that's going to find out eventually is just making the problem worse.

The secret PPD issued earlier this week by President Obama replaced a still-classified directive issued by George W. Bush in 2002.

A look at the list of PPDs issued by Obama reveals that there is much “secret law” that binds the American people without having ever been approved by their elected representatives.

The existence of these documents — along with the scores of executive orders and signing statements — represent a corpus of presidential fiats masquerading as laws. As demonstrated in the history of these directives, for generations, presidents have carried out a plan to consolidate all functions of government into the hands of one “unitary” executive, aggrandizing the office of the president and reducing Congress to mere plaintiffs in lawsuits challenging that all but unlimited authority.

It would do well for Americans concerned about this consolidation to study the words and warnings of our Founding Fathers and their political and philosophical influences regarding the primacy of the separation of powers in a good government.

James Madison, writing as "Publius," wrote in The Federalist, No. 47: “The accumulation of all powers legislative, executive and judiciary in the same hands, whether of one, a few or many, and whether hereditary, self appointed, or elective, may justly be pronounced the very definition of tyranny. “

Madison himself was restating in his inimitable style, one facet of federalism that was universally considered to be an essential pillar of liberty.

As the venerable French philosopher Baron de Montesquieu wrote in his influential treatise l'Esprit des Lois (The Spirit of the Laws), “When the legislative and executive powers are united in the same person, or in the same body of magistrates, there can be no liberty; because apprehensions may arise, lest the same monarch or senate should enact tyrannical laws, to execute them in a tyrannical manner.”

"Centinel," the nom de guerre of an anti-Federalist opposed to ratifying the new Constitution, rephrased for his readers what was already, in the 18th century, a well-settled aspect of good government, “This mixture of the legislative and executive moreover highly tends to corruption. The chief improvement in government, in modern times, has been the complete separation of the great distinctions of power; placing the legislative in different hands from those which hold the executive.”

Another anonymous anti-Federalist commented, “Liberty therefore can only subsist, where the powers of government are properly divided, and where the different jurisdictions are inviolably kept distinct and separate.”

If the opinions of these men are a worthy metric of the size of the impending threat of despotism, then President Obama is filling the shoes of a tyrant heel to toe. And the Presidential Policy Directives issued by him and his predecessors help demolish the walls of history, law, and constitutional enumerations that separate the executive and legislative powers.

http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/item/21148-obama-issues-19-classified-directives-changing-laws-passed-by-congress

anaconda
07-01-2015, 02:48 AM
Shall we legislate to make this highly illegal?

RDM
07-01-2015, 06:56 AM
You do realize we have a majority Republican Congress that has allowed this to happen? Just saying.

Carlybee
07-01-2015, 07:00 AM
You do realize we have a majority Republican Congress that has allowed this to happen? Just saying.

^^^

timosman
07-01-2015, 08:14 AM
You do realize we have a majority Republican Congress that has allowed this to happen? Just saying.

Let's be honest here for a second - nobody gives a fuck.

RDM
07-01-2015, 08:34 AM
Let's be honest here for a second - nobody gives a fuck.

Obviously.:(

AuH20
07-01-2015, 08:35 AM
I'm waiting for the militant Edward Snowden to arrive.

asurfaholic
07-01-2015, 09:35 AM
I have no problems following a secret law. Why do you people hate America? USA USA USA

Origanalist
07-01-2015, 09:44 AM
You do realize we have a majority Republican Congress that has allowed this to happen? Just saying.

Fully on board with it is more accurate.

ZENemy
07-01-2015, 09:55 AM
Face it, we have no control over our government in anyway at all.

Face it, really think about it, let it sink in. We have NO control of an entity that commands the largest and most lethal army the world has known.

Let us finally admit that nobody is going to save us. Once we admit there is a problem we can move forward.

ZENemy
07-01-2015, 09:57 AM
You do realize we have a bunch of greedy men and women with a job that has allowed this to happen? Just saying.


There is no such thing as a republican, or democrat, these are just people who have a job, get a paycheck and go home. They don't care about you or me, they never have and never will.

tod evans
07-01-2015, 11:17 AM
Face it, we have no control over our government in anyway at all.

Face it, really think about it, let it sink in. We have NO control of an entity that commands the largest and most lethal army the world has known.

Let us finally admit that nobody is going to save us. Once we admit there is a problem we can move forward.

Until/unless every citizen knows where governments employees live government will never represent those citizens.

timosman
07-01-2015, 12:02 PM
I'm waiting for the militant Edward Snowden to arrive.

Rapture seems more likely at this point. :D

timosman
07-01-2015, 12:05 PM
Face it, we have no control over our government in anyway at all.
Face it, really think about it, let it sink in. We have NO control of an entity that commands the largest and most lethal army the world has known.


This is actually a point of contention with citizens of other countries. They ask - why do you allow these idiots to destroy other countries in your name ? Are you oppressed ?

Ronin Truth
07-01-2015, 12:11 PM
Is CONgress modifying any of the Executive Orders of the POTUS?

timosman
07-01-2015, 12:14 PM
Is CONgress modifying any of the Executive Orders of the POTUS?

This would require them having balls. I just want to get reelected, m'kay ?

Carlybee
07-01-2015, 12:18 PM
Is CONgress modifying any of the Executive Orders of the POTUS?


I doubt it. They seem to have forgotten how they won the majority and now they apparently want to give it away. They didn't do anything with it anyway because they're skeered of the Democrats...having allowed them to set the narrative.

Brian4Liberty
07-01-2015, 01:38 PM
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Peace&Freedom
07-01-2015, 02:04 PM
Rapture seems more likely at this point. :D

Look for the Rapture in about 3-4 months at this point.

Peace&Freedom
07-01-2015, 02:17 PM
I doubt it. They seem to have forgotten how they won the majority and now they apparently want to give it away. They didn't do anything with it anyway because they're skeered of the Democrats...having allowed them to set the narrative.

The GOP knows exactly how to get back a majority in Congress (they've done it 3 times in 40 years during Carter, Clinton and now Obarry) so that's not the issue. The true issue is, they are in the right pocket of the establishment special interests, just as the Democrats are in their left pocket, So the right-statists now have to act powerless to reverse anything the left-statists have done "until we get a Republican in the White House," or "until we have a filibuster-proof majority." It will always be something.

Occam's Banana
07-01-2015, 02:30 PM
Shall we legislate to make this highly illegal? Secret PPD incoming ...

Ronin Truth
07-01-2015, 02:59 PM
I doubt it. They seem to have forgotten how they won the majority and now they apparently want to give it away. They didn't do anything with it anyway because they're skeered of the Democrats...having allowed them to set the narrative.

Some really serious "checks and balances" (so called) cross branch hemorrhaging here. [coff, coff] :rolleyes:

morfeeis
07-02-2015, 10:44 AM
i just wish they would hurry up and get to the fun part so we can get this shit over with already, this slow march towards destruction is so painful to watch. Bring on the night raids of people that those in power disagree with, get those fema camps open, tell the military to point their guns at the people already. Because once shit is so bad and so clear to the sleep idiots that i am forced to share air with, then and only then will we start to see real change.

All the rest of this crap is just the trailers before the big feature and i paid to see a show.....

AuH20
07-02-2015, 10:49 AM
i just wish they would hurry up and get to the fun part so we can get this shit over with already, this slow march towards destruction is so painful to watch. Bring on the night raids of people that those in power disagree with, get those fema camps open, tell the military to point their guns at the people already. Because once shit is so bad and so clear to the sleep idiots that i am forced to share air with, then and only then will we start to see real change.

All the rest of this crap is just the trailers before the big feature and i paid to see a show.....

Too much comfort. I agree. We need pain.

tangent4ronpaul
07-03-2015, 02:36 AM
Until/unless every citizen knows where governments employees live government will never represent those citizens.

Pray that WikiLeaks gets the OPM dump.

-t

tangent4ronpaul
07-03-2015, 02:37 AM
Until/unless every citizen knows where governments employees live government will never represent those citizens.

Pray that WikiLeaks gets the OPM dump.

-t