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RonPaulFanInGA
06-23-2015, 12:10 PM
http://www.richmond.com/business/ap/article_164b4d58-19cb-11e5-806b-e3da83381b0f.html

angelatc
06-23-2015, 12:21 PM
No shock there - they've always been afraid of controversy.

luctor-et-emergo
06-23-2015, 12:26 PM
Ebay search for 'swastika'
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=m570.l1313&_nkw=swastika&_sacat=0
Lots of items and at least on the first page none relating to Hinduism.

I guess not all controversy is equal.

William Tell
06-23-2015, 12:29 PM
Ebay search for 'swastika'
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=m570.l1313&_nkw=swastika&_sacat=0
Lots of items and at least on the first page none relating to Hinduism.

I guess not all controversy is equal.

They don't care about anything ideologically. If the liberal media makes it an issue they will stop selling them. Its all about what the media and pop culture are obsessed with.

Ebay, Walmart etc are whores.

AuH20
06-23-2015, 12:30 PM
Meanwhile, Amazon can't sell them quickly enough. 2300% uptick since this hysteria started.

I bought a morale patch as well. :)

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/06/23/confederate-flag-sales-up-at-amazon-by-2300-percent/

DisneyFan
06-23-2015, 12:36 PM
Amazon will probably stop selling them too.

This will just keep growing and growing.

Insanity.

William Tell
06-23-2015, 12:39 PM
Prohibition always backfires. Even when it is society, not government doing it. Its like Graffiti in bathrooms, and on trains. People paint and display forbidden symbols because they can, it makes guys feel macho. This further confuses the meaning of some things.

presence
06-23-2015, 12:46 PM
No shock there - they've always been afraid of controversy.

http://i.imgur.com/N7NZo0e.png

AuH20
06-23-2015, 12:52 PM
I wonder what Overstock will do? I'm praying that guy holds out.

AuH20
06-23-2015, 12:58 PM
And Amazon backs down. Fascism is chic in 'Murica these days.

RonPaulFanInGA
06-23-2015, 01:08 PM
Amazon has caved, and now Valley Forge Flag has too.


@Reuters BREAKING: Prominent U.S. flag maker, Valley Forge Flag, says to stop producing and selling Confederate flags

This hysteria is really retarded, though I take solace in the fact no one will care two weeks now, same with the Indiana gay law earlier this year. Americans' gnat-like attention spans are at least good for something.

tangent4ronpaul
06-23-2015, 01:14 PM
And Amazon backs down. Fascism is chic in 'Murica these days.

Dang!

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41Z1mXJ%2BrVL._AC_SL230_.jpg

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004SB8PWM/ref=pd_luc_rh_bxgy_01_04_t_img_lh?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Looking for something?
We're sorry. The Web address you entered is not a functioning page on our site

Go to Amazon.com's Home Page

-t

RonPaulFanInGA
06-23-2015, 01:17 PM
Amazon is still selling all sorts of offensive crap, including Che t-shirts, communist flags, etc.

Republicanguy
06-23-2015, 01:19 PM
I remember seeing one of these flags in a van's back window, it had no interior cargo section, was an open one, passing by me back end of the decade. I thought to myself wasn't that some kind of historical hateful flag. Ofcourse at the time, I wasn't to familiar with the history.

It's a nice colored/coloured flag.

Republicanguy
06-23-2015, 01:20 PM
Amazon is still selling all sorts of offensive crap, including Che t-shirts, communist flags, etc.

Did a communist flag run country actually represent the murdering of black people at one time?

RonPaulFanInGA
06-23-2015, 01:21 PM
Did a communist flag run country actually represent the murdering of black people at one time?

Lot more people died under Communism than the CSA.

Republicanguy
06-23-2015, 01:23 PM
One thing is people dying, but a group because of they're skin is another.

Communism was zealous idea for control over the residents of a country.

fisharmor
06-23-2015, 01:24 PM
Still plenty of General Lee toys on Amazon.

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/6171o8WchSL._SL1092_.jpg

presence
06-23-2015, 01:25 PM
Did a communist flag run country actually represent the murdering of black people at one time?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_killings_under_Communist_regimes

AuH20
06-23-2015, 01:35 PM
WTH is this?

https://i.imgur.com/UAIjv.png

jj-
06-23-2015, 01:36 PM
WTH is this?

https://i.imgur.com/UAIjv.png

postmodern art?

wizardwatson
06-23-2015, 01:52 PM
And Amazon backs down. Fascism is chic in 'Murica these days.

"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross."

This may very well be the watershed moment. "Anti-hate" is what Stars and Stripes represents to these peanut butter brained doofuses, and AME is the epitome of false Christianity "God loves you, you poor things" crap. I watched their Sunday Service. Not a word about repenting or obeying God's law.

Everything wrong with Christianity is what I got from watching that service. It is precisely the kind of Christianity that Nietzsche railed against in the Antichrist.

And the way our "Conservatives" have capitulated into this false humility "I'm so sorry for being racist" makes me just as angry at them.

enhanced_deficit
06-23-2015, 02:14 PM
Who will financilly benefit from this, probably websites of guys like this:

http://cdn.thedailybeast.com/content/dailybeast/articles/2015/06/23/republican-who-kept-confederate-flag-flying-is-a-rebel-sympathizer/jcr:content/image.crop.800.500.jpg/1435055959479.cached.jpgLou Krasky/AP

06.23.155:15 AM ET
Republican Who Kept Confederate Flag Flying Is a Rebel Sympathizer

McConnell, a Republican, has had long love affair with the Confederacy. He’s a long-time member of the Sons of Confederate Veterans who dresses up in a rebel uniform and fires a brass cannon at Civil War reenactments. In real life, McConnell ran a thriving Confederate-themed gift shop and mail-order business.
As a legislator, McConnell secured millions from the state budget to preserve the H.L Hunley, a submarine used by the Confederacy and the first submarine to sink an enemy ship.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/06/23/republican-who-kept-confederate-flag-flying-is-a-rebel-sympathizer.html


http://www.thestate.com/incoming/qugtz5/picture13395806/ALTERNATES/FREE_960/ZZaZu.So.74.jpeg Former state Sen. Glenn McConnell, R-Charleston, listens to Gov. Nikki Haley after he was sworn-in as the lieutenant governor in 2012.








Amazon is still selling all sorts of offensive crap, including Che t-shirts, communist flags, etc.

And they sell this too and probably will continue to sell:

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61C1hdEH%2BTL._SY355_.jpg


As does ebay:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/President-Barack-Obama-Toilet-Paper-Roll-Party-Gag-Gift-Prank-Humor-Fun-Joke-/350524752170

How can these companies make money by tarnishing image of first African-American POTUS in history.

tangent4ronpaul
06-23-2015, 02:50 PM
And they sell this too and probably will continue to sell:

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61C1hdEH%2BTL._SY355_.jpg


As does ebay:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/President-Barack-Obama-Toilet-Paper-Roll-Party-Gag-Gift-Prank-Humor-Fun-Joke-/350524752170

How can these companies make money by tarnishing image of first African-American POTUS in history.

OMG! I want a roll!

-t

tangent4ronpaul
06-23-2015, 03:25 PM
http://www.scv.org/curriculum/part8.htm

Slavery was a legal institution in this country for over 200 years. Africans were brought here by northern slave traders to be used in northern industry, long before the antebellum South or the Confederacy ever existed. The first American colony to legalize slavery was Massachusetts in 1641, only 17 years after the Pilgrims landed at Plymouth Rock. "The slave trade became very profitable to the shipping colonies and Massachusetts, Rhode Island, Connecticut and New Hampshire had many ships in the triangular trade," (72). "The moral argument against slavery arose early in the New England shipping colonies but it could not withstand the profits of the trade and soon died out." (73).

Thomas Jefferson condemned the slave trade in the original draft of the Declaration of Independence, but the New England slave traders lobbied to have the clause stricken. In a short eleven year period form 1755 to 1766, no fewer than 23,000 slaves landed in Massachusetts. By 1787, Rhode Island had taken first place in the slave trade to be unseated later by New York. Before long, millions of slaves would be brought to America by way of 'northern' slave ships. After all, there were no Southern slave ships involved in the triangular slave, it was simply too cruel.

William P. Cheshire, the senior editorial columnist for the Arizona Republic recently noted, the New England Yankee who brought slaves to America, "were interested in getting money, not in helping their cargo make a fresh start in the New World." He adds that northern slave ownership "isn't widely known - American textbooks tend to be printed in Boston, not Atlanta - but early New Englanders not only sold blacks to Southern planters but also kept slaves for themselves as well as enslaving the local Indian population," (74).

Slavery did not appear in the deep South until northern settlers began to migrate South, bringing with them their slaves. It was soon discovered that while slaves were not suited to the harsh climate and working conditions of the north, they were ideal sources of cheap labor for the newly flourishing economy of the agricultural South. Of the 9.5 million slaves brought to the Western Hemisphere from 1500 - 1870, less than 6% were brought to the United States. This means that our Hispanic, British and French neighbors to the south owned over 94% of the slaves brought to the New World. In the South, less than 7% of the total population ever owned a slave. In other words, over 93% of Southerners did not own any slaves, (75).

Attempts to outlaw the slave trade in the north only increased the profits of smuggling. In 1858, only two years prior to the birth of the Confederacy, Stephen Douglas noted that over 15,000 slaves had been smuggled into New York alone, with over 85 vessels sailing from New York in 1859 to smuggle even more slaves. Perhaps it was their own guilt that drove the abolitionists of the day to point an accusing finger at the South, while closing their eyes to the slavery and the slave trade taking place in their own back yards.

For more than 200 years, northern slave traders mad enormous profits that furnished the capitol for future investments into mainstream industries. Who is more responsible for slavery in America, the Southern plantation owner who fed and clothed his slaves, or the New England "Yankee" slave trader who brought the slaves here in the first place?

From 1641, when Massachusetts first legalized slavery, until 1865, when the Confederate struggle for independence ended, slavery was a legal institution in America that lasted over 224 years. The Confederate battle flag flew for 4 of those 224 years, but the U.S. flag and its colonial predecessors flew over legalized slavery for ALL of those 224 years. It was the U.S. flag that the slave first saw, and it was the U.S. flag that flew on the mast of New England slaves ships as they brought their human cargo to this country. It is clear, that those who attack the Confederate flag as a reminder of slavery are overlooking the most guilty and hateful of all reminders of American slavery, the U.S. flag.



Bibliography:

72. The Concise Dictionary of American History, (Scribner & Sons), p.876
73. Ibid
74. The Arizona Republic, June 11, 1995
75. Rober William Fogel and Stanley L. Engerman, Time on the Cross - The Economics of American Negro Slavery (New York: Norton, 1974), p.14


This is one of the most commonly used arguments against Confederate symbolism and on of the easiest to prove false. Everyone knows that the South (and the North) had slavery until 1865. The north had slavery at least until 1866, due to some holdouts like Union General Ulysses S. Grant who refused to give up his slaves until the passage of the 13th Amendment.

Prior to 1866, slavery was completely legal. The Supreme Court had ruled favorably on the legality and constitutionality of slavery. Presidents Buchanan and Lincoln both promised many times, that they would not interfere with the practice of slavery. New laws were recently put on the books protecting slave owners from loss of slave property due to theft or runaways. Add to that, the fact that the Confederate states constituted the fifth wealthiest region in the world. The slave owning states had all of these things and more. So why on earth would Southern states secede from the United States? Surely, no one believes that the South would have left the security of the Union and gone to fight a war for something they already had! Countries do not fight wars for the things they have, they fight wars to obtain the things they do not have.

To emphasize how safe the institution of slavery was, let's look at what it would have taken to eliminate it. Since slavery was enshrined in the U.S. Constitution, it would require a constitutional amendment and that is very difficult to achieve. Two-thirds of the House and Senate must agree to the amendment and then three-fourths of all the states must vote to ratify the amendment before it can become part of the U.S. Constitution. This simply would never have happened as long as the Southern states stayed in the Union! That's right, with the South in the Union, the northern and Southern slave states would have voted down any attempt to amend the Constitution, thereby guaranteeing that the institution of slavery could continue almost indefinitely. So you see, it is quite easy to prove that the South did not secede and fight a war to maintain slavery, an institution they already possessed.

What the South did not have was financial freedom. Southerners were slaves to the industrial demands of the north, just as blacks were slaves to the agricultural demands of the South. Growth potential was severely limited in the South, so long as the north continued to levy heavy tariffs on things that Southerners needed to purchase and heavy taxes on those things that Southerners produced. In the words of South Carolina senator John C. Calhoun in 1850, "The north has adopted a system of revenue and disbursements, in which an undue proportion of the burden of taxation has been imposed on the South, and an undue proportion of its proceeds appropriated to the north ... The South as the great exporting portion of the Union has, in reality, paid vastly more than her due proportion of the revenue,"(76). Unfair taxation drove Americans to war with Britain in 1775 and against each other in 1861. History is quite clear on this point.

Bibliography:

76. John C. Calhoun, "Speech on the Slavery Question," March 4, 1850 in Edwin Rozweus., The Causes of the Civil War (Boston 1961), p. 4



Anyone want to start a shit storm? Send out a tweet demanding these other confederate battle flags are banned:

3rd Kentucky Mounted Infantry: This was another of the Christian Confederate flag themes. A blue field with a red Roman cross, with white five point stars placed in the cross.

http://www.scv.org/curriculum/part8_files/image042.jpg

"Missouri" Battle Flag, Trans-Mississippi Department: This flag was found almost exclusively with Missouri regiments in the Department, and that is why it is often called the "Missouri" Battle Flag. The flag was blue bordered with red with a white Roman cross near the hoist of the flag.

http://www.scv.org/curriculum/part8_files/image044.jpg

General Dabney Maury's Headquarters Flag. This flag was used for a time by General Maury, Department of the Gulf, at his headquarters in Mobile, AL from around 1863- the capture of the city in late in the war. Another example of the Christian theme and principles emulated by the Confederate Armies.

http://www.scv.org/curriculum/part8_files/image046.jpg

:D

-t

Michael Landon
06-23-2015, 03:48 PM
I know a lot of "Native Americans" who feel the American Flag represents hatred, racism, oppression, and genocide... I wonder if these businesses will refuse to sell the American flag?

- ML

phill4paul
06-23-2015, 04:23 PM
I know a lot of "Native Americans" who feel the American Flag represents hatred, racism, oppression, and genocide... I wonder if these businesses will refuse to sell the American flag?

- ML

Yeah, but they owned slaves too. So fuck them. ;)

tangent4ronpaul
06-23-2015, 05:09 PM
Target and Etsy joined the ban wagon.

VA apparently has 1,677 license plates with the flag on it for sons of confederate soldiers. They are trying to ban that license plate.

they want to recall and re-issue these plates. :rolleyes:

OH GOD! they want to take down statues, rename schools and highways. This is totally FUBAR!

-t

Warrior_of_Freedom
06-23-2015, 05:12 PM
lol who said this was a distraction for the TPP? because he was spot on. This shit has just become stupid.

wizardwatson
06-23-2015, 05:37 PM
Target and Etsy joined the ban wagon.

VA apparently has 1,677 license plates with the flag on it for sons of confederate soldiers. They are trying to ban that license plate.

they want to recall and re-issue these plates. :rolleyes:

OH GOD! they want to take down statues, rename schools and highways. This is totally FUBAR!

-t

Of course it is. "I will erase you from the histories!", sayeth Xerces.

And what's the plan, really? #whitesilenceisviolence is a popular hastag during all this.

Not "silence". "WHITE" silence.

Speak up or you are racist. In other words, "come clean" (and I've seen twitter posts literally saying that) or your silence tells us you are racist.

So the plan is to badger an ethnic group of people until they all admit the horrible racism that's "engrained in our DNA" to use Obama's words.

So the Nazi mentality has been flipped. Now blacks our morally superior to white people. And of course the blacks being filled with pride and victimhood and the white liberal national socialists who agree do not even see the Nazi mentality they are embodying.

God just needs to destroy this country already. It's lost.

"It's time to push back!" they are saying. Out of one side of their mouth they talk of love and Christ (which I won't even rebuke as the idea that true Christianity is represented by this movement is preposterous) and out of the other side they talk of "pushing back" and labeling people and "weeding them out".

No solutions. Just join us in hating those that don't join us. Blind rage and self-worship.

tangent4ronpaul
06-23-2015, 05:44 PM
Now they are trying to turn it into a call for more gun control :rolleyes:

-t

tangent4ronpaul
06-23-2015, 06:34 PM
From Sept 30th, 2014

Confederate Flag Banned In California
http://urbanintellectuals.com/2014/09/30/confederate-flag-banned-in-california/

Great news for those who are sick to their stomachs when they see the confederate flag being flown anywhere in this country or world. Starting in 2015 in the State of California, the confederate flag will no longer be for sale or on display in government buildings or agencies.

The Governor of California Jerry Brown signed off on the new law prohibiting the sale or display of the confederate flag. He is to be commended for this step as it has been a long time in the making and will hopefully spread to the rest of the country.

The bill, which is now a law in the State, was started by Democratic Assemblyman Isadore Hall of Compton. He said he was in the gift shop of Capital Hill and saw a replica of the Confederate flag on sale and thought the state should avoid promoting symbols of racism.

This law is for state and government officials, agencies and lawmakers only, so it stops short of banning the flag from personal citizens. Therefore, it doesn’t violate anyone’s free speech rights in this country. However, it is a good move for the government to pull away from the confederate flag, the hate, disenfranchisement, murder and hatred it represents to a large segment of African Americans in this country.

There are some in the south and around the country who feel the confederate flag represents their heritage and not the hatred claimed by millions of African Americans. The good news for them is this law doesn’t ban them from flying or honoring their heritage, but the rest of the world doesn’t feel that way when they see this symbol and agree the government, state and agencies should stay as far as possible away from this flag.

What are your thoughts on the banning of the confederate flag in the State of California?

-t

tangent4ronpaul
06-23-2015, 06:50 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNhypZYNbdA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJ8qVlFq39M&feature=plcp&context=C3e5676eUDOEgsToPDskJLj3FsbKFhMf0KpD-xsxky

-t

69360
06-23-2015, 07:12 PM
Still plenty of General Lee toys on Amazon.

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/6171o8WchSL._SL1092_.jpg

Not for long.

https://www.yahoo.com/autos/general-lee-from-dukes-of-hazzard-losing-its-122294326432.html

WB is no longer licensing them in yet the latest total over reaction.


Warner Bros. Consumer Products has one licensee producing die-cast replicas and vehicle model kits featuring the General Lee with the confederate flag on its roof–as it was seen in the TV series. We have elected to cease the licensing of these product categories.

This PC shit is going way too far.

Ban assault toy chargers!!!

Dr.3D
06-23-2015, 07:33 PM
Great, so now they've made the Confederate Battle Flag a collectors item. Make it rare and people are going to want to collect it.

Never thought I would want one, but now that they have done so much to make it hard to get one, I almost feel like buying one.

euphemia
06-23-2015, 07:56 PM
I feel kind of surly and snarly these days. Symbolic gestures do not solve anything.

cindy25
06-23-2015, 10:39 PM
Now they are trying to turn it into a call for more gun control :rolleyes:

-t

they smell blood, and victory.

wizardwatson
06-23-2015, 11:01 PM
.. wrong thread ...

tangent4ronpaul
06-24-2015, 06:40 PM
Good news and bad news:

Good news: there are 14 military bases named after confederate generals. None of them are being re-named.

Bad news: New Orleans is trying to get the statue of General Lee taken down.

a mix: Nearly 200 schools are named for Confederate leaders. Is it time to rename them?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/nearly-200-schools-are-named-for-confederate-leaders-is-it-time-to-rename-them/2015/06/24/838e2cc0-1aaa-11e5-93b7-5eddc056ad8a_story.html

The backlash against public use of Confederate flags has built quickly since nine parishioners were gunned down inside a South Carolina church last week.

Alabama removed the flag from its state capitol grounds Wednesday, and political leaders in Virginia, Maryland, Tennessee and North Carolina have moved to remove Confederate flag symbols from their state license plates. Wal-Mart, Amazon, Sears and eBay all have said they will stop selling the Confederate battle flag, viewed by many people as a symbol of racism and slavery.

But what about the other symbols of the Confederacy that live on in our everyday lives? What, for example, about the dozens of elementary, middle and high schools that bear the names of prominent Confederate leaders?

There are at least 188 such public and public charter schools nationwide, according to an analysis of federal data published by the Web site Vocativ. Many, but not all, are in the South.

And already, there are calls to rename some of them.

California Assemblywoman Lorena Gonzalez (D-San Diego), sent a letter to the San Diego Unified School District calling on officials to rename an elementary school that honors Confederate General Robert E. Lee.

“The flag in particular, and anyone associated with this army, in general, have been associated with intolerance, racism and hate, none of which have a place in our schools,” Gonzalez wrote, according to San Diego’s Fox 5 TV.

Gonzalez wrote that the elementary school is located in a “vibrant, multiethnic community with a strong African-American presence that deserves a school named after someone we can all admire. ... Robert E. Lee is not that person.”

It’s not yet clear whether the push to remove symbols of the Confederacy will extend to school names, which can hold powerful sway with nostalgic alumni.

In 2013, the school board in Florida’s Duval County voted to rechristen a Jacksonville high school named after Nathan Bedford Forrest, a Confederate general and the first “grand wizard” of the Ku Klux Klan.

The school board’s push for a new name was spurred by a parent’s Change.org petition. The majority African-American school had carried Forrest’s name since 1959, at the height of the integration of public schools in the South.

But according to Vocativ, there is still a Forrest School that explicitly honors the man in his hometown of Chapel Hill, Tenn., and six other schools that bear Forrest’s name because they are located in a city or county named for him.

In all, 78 schools are named for Lee, Vocativ found. Another 11 are named for Confederate President Jefferson Davis, and at least four are named for General Stonewall Jackson, including a high school in Prince William County, Va.

Two years ago in Virginia’s Arlington County, a liberal enclave just outside Washington, D.C., a parent asked the school board to consider changing the name of Washington-Lee High School, which honors generals George Washington and Robert E. Lee.

“Why do we continue to honor Robert E. Lee with the rarified tribute of a high school name in our progressive county?” John Schachter said. “It’s likely inertia, at best. Or racism, at worst. Or some misguided so-called Southern pride to some extent. ... Lee deserves no honor for fighting on the wrong side for the wrong cause.”

His request went nowhere. Washington-Lee retains its name, and its sports teams are still known as the Generals. A spokeswoman for Arlington Public Schools said Wednesday that within the past week the school system has received one e-mail raising concerns about the continued use of the name.

Last year, Virginia’s Washington and Lee University — which has ties to George Washington and to Lee, who was the school’s president after the Civil War — expressed regret for the school’s past ownership of slaves and promised to remove Confederate flags that had hung in its Lee Chapel since 1930. The move came after a group of black students protested that the school was unwelcoming to minorities.

School systems are becoming more sensitive to the potential for controversy over names, according to a 2007 study by the Manhattan Institute for Policy Research, which found that it has become much less common for schools to be named after people, as school districts opt instead for names that are more generic, such as geographic features or patriotic themes.

Three researchers in the 2007 study found that 45 percent of public schools built in New Jersey before 1948 were named after people, compared with 27 percent of schools built after 1988. They found similar patterns in Minnesota, Arizona, Florida, Massachusetts, Ohio and Wisconsin.

“Of almost 3,000 public schools in Florida, five honor George Washington, compared to 11 named after manatees,” the researchers wrote. “In the last two decades, a public school built in Arizona was almost fifty times more likely to be named after such things as a mesa or a cactus than after a president.”

Some schools are reconsidering Confederacy-related mascots. The school board in Fort Smith, Ark., citing “the continuing impact of perceived symbols of racism on the community, state and nation” on its Facebook page, voted to stop using “Dixie” as the fight song for Southside High School and to phase out the school’s “Rebel” mascot.

But some efforts have pushed in the opposite direction.

Last year, students and alumni from a Richmond-area high school sought to revive the school’s historic mascot, a Confederate soldier known as the “Rebel Man,” spurring debate about the appropriateness of public school connections to the Civil War and its icons. More than 1,200 students, alumni and parents with connections to Henrico County’s Douglas S. Freeman High School signed a petition calling on the administration to use its Rebel mascot — which dates to the 1950s — for the school’s athletic events.

The school opted to keep “Rebels” as its team name after administrators made plans to field a new mascot without ties to the Confederacy. They decided not to field a lion as their mascot but continue to be known as the “Freeman Rebels.”

-t

Dianne
06-24-2015, 07:16 PM
I can't tell you guys how much better I will sleep tonight. Just knowing Amazon has banned the confederate flag will promote so much justice in this world (sarcasm, of course). Even now, I believe there will not be 40 shootings in Chicago Friday night again because of Amazon's due diligene. Eleven people were shot in Detroit Friday night. Maybe they didn't hear the confederate flag was removed. Yep ...... there will be no more murders in Chicago or Detroit now that the Confederate flag has been removed. The little secret is, the Federal Government doesn't give a chit about blacks dying and killing each other. Every time it happens they have one less mouth to feed. They do care about the one white guy in one million who shoots, (if the chit was even real, I have my doubts), and they will move the heavens and earth to punish an entire race in that cae.

Southron
06-24-2015, 07:18 PM
I'm glad I have a good supply of flags. There is going to be a shortage for awhile.

Carlybee
06-24-2015, 07:19 PM
. HOUSTON (KTRK) -- Robert E. Lee High School. Jefferson Davis High School. Dowling Middle School. They're all HISD schools named after Confederate War heroes. And now, more than a century and a half after the Civil War, the question comes up: Do these names represent hate or heritage?

"They need to let this die because it's divisive to black people, brown people, and it represents that period in history which was a bloody period; and a lot of people say it wasn't about slavery but it was," said Linda Scurlock, who is collecting signatures to change the name of Dowling Middle School.

Others say the names represent an important part of Texas history and should be kept.

Last year, the district spent about $250,000 to change mascot names, like the then-named Lamar Redskins, that were deemed offensive to the Native American Community.

"I'm sure there will be some type of conversation because you have the communities who are actually leading the charge," said HISD Board Trustee Wanda Adams.

The district hasn't considered any formal proposals on the name change at this point. Board trustees meet again in August.


http://abc13.com/education/hisd-asked-to-rename-schools-titled-after-confederate-figures/803563/

Carlybee
06-24-2015, 07:21 PM
I'm glad I have a good supply of flags. There is going to be a shortage for awhile.


Start a business. You'll make a killing.

tangent4ronpaul
06-24-2015, 07:30 PM
Last year, the district spent about $250,000 to change mascot names, like the then-named Lamar Redskins, that were deemed offensive to the Native American Community.

A quarter million dollars to change a mascots name??? WTF! :eek:

What exactly did they spend the money on?
I would think writing up a brief memo like the mascot is now called roofus and posting them around. $1 tops. ok, $2 with the thumbtacks or tape.
They could teach Haliburton a few things...

-t

Carlybee
06-24-2015, 07:31 PM
From one of the few if not only Dems not calling for it to come down:


Likely Democratic presidential candidate Jim Webb, a highly decorated Vietnam War vet and former Navy secretary, is interrupting the national condemnation of the Confederate Battle Flag and calling on both sides to consider the full history of the flag and Civil War before junking it.






. This is an emotional time and we all need to think through these issues with a care that recognizes the need for change but also respects the complicated history of the Civil War. The Confederate Battle Flag has wrongly been used for racist and other purposes in recent decades. It should not be used in any way as a political symbol that divides us.

But we should also remember that honorable Americans fought on both sides in the Civil War, including slaveholders in the Union Army from states such as Missouri, Kentucky, Maryland and Delaware, and that many non-slave holders fought for the South. It was in recognition of the character of soldiers on both sides that the federal government authorized the construction of the Confederate Memorial 100 years ago, on the grounds of Arlington National Cemetery.

This is a time for us to come together, and to recognize once more that our complex multicultural society is founded on the principle of mutual respect.

Carlybee
06-24-2015, 07:33 PM
A quarter million dollars to change a mascots name??? WTF! :eek:

What exactly did they spend the money on?
I would think writing up a brief memo like the mascot is now called roofus and posting them around. $1 tops. ok, $2 with the thumbtacks or tape.
They could teach Haliburton a few things...

-t

Yeah can you imagine the cost to change all the school names? We have a lot of schools here.

AuH20
06-25-2015, 08:51 AM
Amazon: FEDS FORCED US TO STOP SELLING CONFEDERATE FLAG MERCHANDISE!

http://www.infowars.com/amazon-staff-government-ordered-us-not-to-sell-confederate-flag/


https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=179&v=2OAZ5geZUU4

tangent4ronpaul
06-25-2015, 01:54 PM
Apple pulls all historical civil war games from app store. Many are used by history teachers. Does not pull civil war movies. Scroll down past the stuff you've seen before.

http://gamergate.community/t/amazon-staff-government-ordered-us-not-to-sell-confederate-flag-apple-removes-all-civil-war-games-from-app-store/1876

-t

tangent4ronpaul
06-25-2015, 02:26 PM
Confederate Flag Sales Soar Despite Populist Removal Of Merchandise

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-06-23/confederate-flag-sales-soar-despite-populist-removal-merchandise

Following the removal of Confederate Flag merchandise from WalMart; Sears, Ebay, ETSY, and prominent flag maker Valley Forge Flags have all joined the 'movement' and stopped selling the 'controversial' flag. However, as with any and all government-'suggested' actions, there are unintended consequences in the hypocrisy of implicitly banning this symbolic banner... sales of Confederate Flags are soaring everywhere else (as the "guns and ammo"-like threat of scarcity has led to a run on the products).

As Yahoo reports,

Alotta Signs of Sparks, Nev., typically sells about five Confederate flags per week. On Monday, however, 46 orders came in. Then South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley called for removing the stars and bars from her state's capitol grounds. The next morning, Alotta Signs logged 200 orders for Confederate flags, most of them through Amazon (AMZN). “We don’t even have the lowest price,” says Dave Pearson, owner and president of the company. “It’s nuts.”



The threat of scarcity often leads to a run on products -- such as guns, with sales typically spiking when there's talk of tightening regulations after mass shootings. And that appears to be the case for the Confederate flag, now under assault in the aftermath of the murder of nine worshippers at Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church in Charleston.



Many politicians who had defended the right of southern states to fly the flag changed their minds and said it should be relegated to museums. Walmart (WMT) and Sears (SHLD) said they would no longer sell Confederate flag merchandise.

But other retailers are benefiting from the controversy.

On Monday, before Haley announced her change in position on the flag (which still must be approved by the state assembly), Amazon listed two Confederate flags among the 60 bestselling items under “Outdoor Flags and Banners”: one at the No. 5 spot, and one at No. 43. The following morning, five of the top 20 bestsellers in the category were Confederate flags, including the No. 1 bestseller, a 3-by-5 foot polyester model made by Rhode Island Novelty and sold by a company called Anley. Among the top 60, 12 were versions of the Confederate flag.



Alotta’s flag, a 3-by-5 nylon embroidered model that sells for $13.95 plus $6.25 shipping (and is not eligible for Amazon’s free-shipping service, Prime) was the No. 7 bestseller as of midday Tuesday. So the sales spike for higher-ranking flags has probably been even greater than for Alotta’s product.



Sellers on eBay (EBAY) seem to be experiencing a similar surge in interest. At about 10 a.m. EST on Tuesday, a confederate flag listed by a seller named superqualityflags showed 149 sold in the last 24 hours. By 11 a.m., 201 had been sold in the last 24 hours.



EBay has since said it will prohibit sales of Confederate flags, joining Walmart and Sears. "We believe it has become a contemporary symbol of divisiveness and racism," the company said in a statement. Amazon didn't respond for this article.



Civil rights advocates may be disheartened by what appears to be a show of solidarity with Roof and other white supremacists, but southerners often point out that pride in the stars and bars has nothing to do with racism. Instead, for many, it signifies respect for the Confederate soldiers who fought for their homeland during the Civil War, including hundreds of thousands who perished.

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We leave it to The Burning Platform's Jim Quinn to explain the hypocrisy of banning The Confederate Flag...

The Civil War was fought over State’s Rights! The Civil War was fought over Slavery! The Civil War was fought cus’ crackas was tryin’ to keep a brotha down! What a load of horseshit!



The Civil War was ignited politically because of the State’s Right to secede and the preservation of the institution of slavery . It is not a one versus the other debate. They were both the cause of the Civil War but that is not why the war was fought. The Civil War was fought because the North and the South were radically different. The old wounds never completely healed because the North and the South STILL have different cultures and economies.



As Americans we can all have a McDonald’s and Walmart in every town but different regions of the country will still see the world differently. The division of the North and South is still apparent in every election when half the country votes for the Blue team and the other half votes for the Red team.



As a Southerner I hold the Stars and Bars in the same high esteem as the Stars and Stripes. As a resident of Alabama I consider myself a current citizen of Alabama above being a citizen of the United States. As a native Texan I consider myself a citizen of the Lone Star State above being a current citizen of Alabama above being a citizen of the United States.



This is what State’s Rights means to me. Being a citizen of a individual State above being a citizen of the collective States. The United States was originally founded as a confederacy. A confederacy is defined as a collection of states for the common action of similar states.



It wasn’t until after the American Revolution the Articles of Confederation was replaced with the Constitution under a stronger influence of the Federal Government. This changed the country into a Federalist system while many Southern states from the Revolutionary War wanted to remain a Confederation.



The debate of the importance of the Federal Government is still ongoing and creating a new divide. By being a citizen of the United States I am automatically a participant in the Federalist system. The Federal Government rules over every State and the power is concentrated in the hands of 535 people. Considering the United States is inhabited by over 300,0000,000 citizens this concentration of power is going to create a new divide over the role of the Federal Government.



Except this time we doubt it is solely the Southern state who want to return to a confederacy and limit the role of the Federal Government.

* * *

One final thought - it seems no one had any major problems with The Confederate Flag until some nutjob kills less people than die in Chicago every Friday night. Populist policy-setting by Lowest Common Denominator appears to be the nanny-state's new normal.


The comments are good too. A few samples:

The corporate media and corporate government have spoken... they want rebellion dead.

Rebellion remains a perfectly legitimate option and people know that...

Now selling ZH CON-FED-erate flags in swag store
http://www.cafepress.com/zerohedge

I've never had a desire to fly the Stars & Bars until now, and now I definitely do.
If I could find a high quality cotton flag -- not some Nylon piece of garbage I'd buy it in a heartbeat.

Virtually all of my liberal friends have gotten their panties in a twist over the Confederate Flag.
I just ask these liberals why, if the Stars and Bars is such a profound symbol of slavery and racism, Confederate soldiers, 95% of whom were probably not even slaveowners, were so willing to die for the Confederate cause. Not one liberal I know has yet been able to wrap his/her addled brain around that question and come up with an answer.


This is called blowback ^^^^^

part of me wonders if this was a test run for what's going to happen under the trade agreements...

-t

Dr.3D
06-25-2015, 02:35 PM
So if the government is responsible for stopping the sales of these flags, Obama is not only the best gun salesman in history, he is also the best flag salesman.

tangent4ronpaul
06-25-2015, 03:08 PM
"I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been in favor of bringing about in anyway the social and political equality of the white and black races - that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race. I say upon this occasion I do not perceive that because the white man is to have the superior position the negro should be denied everything."

-Abraham Lincoln

tangent4ronpaul
06-25-2015, 03:42 PM
Apple bars Civil War games from App Store over Confederate flag imagery
Movies and books featuring the flag remain undisturbed on iTunes.
http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2015/06/apple-bars-civil-war-games-from-app-store-over-confederate-flag-imagery/

The renewed debate over the Confederate battle flag is bleeding further into the digital realm this morning. As Touch Arcade reports, Apple seems to be removing many games that feature the flag's image from the iOS App Store, including a number of war simulations that use the flag primarily to mark historical context.

Touch Arcade reports that affected developers are being told that their apps have been removed "...because [they] include images of the confederate flag used in offensive and mean-spirited ways." But some game developers take issue with that characterization. "We're in no way sympathetic to the use of the flag in an offensive way, we used it purely because historically that was the flag that was used at the time," a developer from strategy game maker HexWar told Touch Arcade.

Game Labs' Maxim Zasov told Touch Arcade that he accepts Apple's decision to remove the game Ultimate General: Gettysburg from the App Store, adding that he understands "this is a sensitive issue for the American Nation." One anonymous developer on reddit, who says 14 of his company's games were removed from the App Store, had some much stronger words for Apple's decision. "It reminds me of the ww2 [sic] invasion on Poland when the books were burned."

The mass removal seems to have been applied to more than games—apps like "Southern Pride (Rebel Flag) Wallpaper" are no longer available on the iOS App Store as of this morning. But the ban hasn't been applied to every app that features the flag. Some, like "The Battle of Antietam" and The History Channel's The Civil War Today remain on the App Store despite their use of the flag in a historical context.

Apple has yet to respond to a request for comment from Ars. Earlier this week, though, Apple CEO Tim Cook tweeted that we should honor the victims of last week's shooting in Charleston, SC "by eradicating racism & removing the symbols & words that feed it."

Apple's decision follows decisions by retailers like Amazon, Walmart, Sears, and eBay to halt sales of many items containing the confederate battle flag. Those retailer bans generally apply to items like clothing, souvenirs, and the flag itself, though, and not to creative or scholarly works sold in those stores.

A gaming double standard

Today's news once again highlights the double standard Apple uses when evaluating content in apps versus the content in other downloadable works it sells. Ken Burns' Civil War documentary is still available on the iTunes movie store, as are dramatized films that feature the confederate flag in a historical context, such as Gettysburg. The iBooks store still lets users buy books and music albums with the Confederate battle flag on the cover as well.

"We view Apps different than books or songs, which we do not curate," Apple writes in its App guidelines. "If you want to criticize a religion, write a book. If you want to describe sex, write a book or a song, or create a medical app." Those app guidelines prohibit "references or commentary about a religious, cultural or ethnic group that are defamatory, offensive, mean-spirited or likely to expose the targeted group to harm or violence."

Outside the App Store, the confederate battle flag has been featured in a number of historical video games set during the civil war, dating back at least to Infogrames' North & South and SSG's Decisive Battles of the Civil War in the late '80s. Most of these games are sterile war simulations that use the flag merely to represent the Southern troops in the game without any additional commentary. And while games like Call of Juarez: Bound in Blood represent Confederate soldiers in a somewhat sympathetic manner, it's hard to find any games that are overtly supportive of slavery or the Confederate cause.

The closest outside example of an outright ban on historical war symbology in games actually comes not from a platform holder but from a foreign government. In Germany, Nazi symbols like the swastika are prohibited from appearing in games, a rule that prevented titles like the original Wolfenstein 3D and Commandos: Behind Enemy Lines from being released in the country. Other games, like 2014's Wolfenstein: The New Order had to have major visual changes applied before being released in Germany. Games featuring such Nazi imagery are relatively easy to find on the iOS App Store, at least in the US.

-t

nobody's_hero
06-25-2015, 03:45 PM
And this is what I feared would happen. Going so far as to even erase civil war games from App stores?

The whole focal point of the debate over the flag is largely based on whether it stands for a history of racism or history of heritage. Unwittingly, by banning everything CSA-related, they will erase history of both racism and heritage.

Take for example:

There are already people who deny that the Holocaust ever even happened. Now imagine if the world were successful in erasing every element of Nazi historical artifacts, papers, and historical accounts. Now, suddenly, everyone thinks those Jews are really full of shit.

Be careful what you wish for. As someone who has an avid interest in history, I find the over-reaction to be very concerning.

FWIW, I've played many of these games, and I've yet to come across one that even mentions racism much less encourages it. Slavery itself is rarely mentioned. Most of these games involved trying to figure out how to keep your troop morale up and keep your army supplied. The rest is just click-and-attack. Oh, and it's always white-on-white violence (I can't think of a single game that includes black Union regiments) so it should be PC-crowd-approved.

ThePaleoLibertarian
06-25-2015, 04:02 PM
Because of this ridiculous kerfuffle, I decided to get another rebel flag and it came today. I have three now. If they think they're going to get rid of demand for the flags because of this BS they're pulling, they're dead wrong.

Carlybee
06-25-2015, 04:57 PM
This is all such bullshit. I will not vote for anyone who who supports this totalitarian erasure of history.

Southron
06-25-2015, 09:18 PM
Google must be in on it too. A search for Confederate Flag under shopping returns nothing.

wizardwatson
06-25-2015, 09:19 PM
Ooops. I missed this thread.

Here's a little something I made. Feel free to annoy people with it by making light of it.

http://i.imgur.com/KWlFdxx.jpg

Of course, no ones really commented so I may be in Andy Kaufman land with this joke.

Aratus
06-25-2015, 09:51 PM
>>>>> UP ABOVE tangent4ronpaul DID THE ORIGINAL ARTICLE + LINK <<<<<<
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Apple bars Civil War games from App Store over Confederate flag imagery
Movies and books featuring the flag remain undisturbed on iTunes.
http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2015/0...-flag-imagery/

The renewed debate over the Confederate battle flag is bleeding further into the digital realm this morning. As Touch Arcade reports, Apple seems to be removing many games that feature the flag's image from the iOS App Store, including a number of war simulations that use the flag primarily to mark historical context.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Outside the App Store, the confederate battle flag has been featured in a number of historical video games set during the civil war, dating back at least to Infogrames' North & South and SSG's Decisive Battles of the Civil War in the late '80s. Most of these games are sterile war simulations that use the flag merely to represent the Southern troops in the game without any additional commentary. And while games like Call of Juarez: Bound in Blood represent Confederate soldiers in a somewhat sympathetic manner, it's hard to find any games that are overtly supportive of slavery or the Confederate cause.

The closest outside example of an outright ban on historical war symbology in games actually comes not from a platform holder but from a foreign government. In Germany, Nazi symbols like the swastika are prohibited from appearing in games, a rule that prevented titles like the original Wolfenstein 3D and Commandos: Behind Enemy Lines from being released in the country. Other games, like 2014's Wolfenstein: The New Order had to have major visual changes applied before being released in Germany. Games featuring such Nazi imagery are relatively easy to find on the iOS App Store, at least in the US.

I<3Liberty
07-02-2015, 11:15 PM
Obviously they banned them for PR reasons. Confederate flags and merchandise with it on, is still all over smaller marketplaces.

I understand the history behind it, but still would not want one. I just think it's distasteful. To each their own, though.

LibForestPaul
07-03-2015, 06:34 AM
Did a communist flag run country actually represent the murdering of black people at one time?
No but British, French, Portuguese, and Dutch flags did. Do you have a point? Or just hoping to have these flags banned as well?

LibForestPaul
07-03-2015, 06:37 AM
So, best site to buy caps and such from.

Southron
07-03-2015, 07:31 AM
Hit up Dixie Outfitters for clothing. You can customize hats and shirts.

For flags, here is a cheap source.
http://www.flagofthesouth.com/