Governor Set To Remove Confederate Flag

[The Northbreather]

Faux news says there will be a press conference 30 minutes from now...

[wizardwatson]

Dylann Roof race war inciting successful.

[AuH20]

Why does our so-called 'side' always give in to these blood suckers? Shit needs to stop. It's not about a stupid piece of fabric. It's about playing their stinking game. Stop playing their game. Tell them to fuck off.

[AuH20]

Lindsey Graham and RINO Tim Scott to follow. Tim Scott is effing horrible. He needs to resign after the TPP vote.

[tod evans]

SC can do as they please.....

[juleswin]

Not a fan of changing the way things are because of a lunatic but I should be able to sleep well at night just as long as they don't outlaw the damn piece of material design.

[The Northbreather]

And PC wins

[wizardwatson]

SC can do as they please.....

SC is doing as Dylann Roof pleased.

I read his manifesto. He's the type of person that would totally see this as a victory.

[enhanced_deficit]

This will open the door for other violence victims (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?477116-Sen-Corker-Remove-Confederate-Flag-In-SC&p=5902462&viewfull=1#post5902462) to get flag poles decorations changed.

Considering voices in media leading this call, there may be reason to suspect SWCbaggery or other such motives. Neocons at WaPo wrote 27 editorials calling for (racially motivated?) attack on Iraq in 2003:

Nikki Haley just showed her tremendous political upside
Washington Post (blog)

Leading neocon and AIPAC's ally SWC Lindsey Graham has joined the call, very funky given his track record of supporting bloody projects that resulted in killing/occupation of very large number of colored people.

Graham joins call for removal of Confederate flag


USA TODAY
- ‎56 minutes ago‎




There is some more politics/hypocrisy apparent too as controversial SC governor recently made this headline becoming first in US to support alleged apartheid occupation/oppression based on chosen race dogma in mid east:

06/05/2015
South Carolina becomes first US state to take action against anti-Israel boycotts
WASHINGTON – South Carolina’s governor has signed into law a bill to stop efforts to boycott, divest and sanction Israel on Thursday afternoon, in a first for the nation on a statewide level.
While South Carolina is the first state to adopt such a measure as law, several others are close behind: Illinois lawmakers passed similar legislation last month, also with unanimous support from state representatives.
“Discriminatory boycotts have historically been used as a form of economic warfare to forward the purposes of hatred and bigotry. The tactics employed by the Nazis serve as a poignant example,” Clemmons said in a prepared statement. “In this day and age, no group better demonstrates this fact than the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions movement in its effort to harm our great ally, Israel.”
http://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/South-Carolina-becomes-first-US-state-to-take-action-against-anti-Israel-boycotts-405120

Disgraced (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?433586-Majority-of-Americans-now-believe-Obama-is-quot-dishonest-and-untrustworthy) dronegangsta's homestate IL is exepected to follow SC.


West Bank Buses Only The Latest In Israel's Segregated Public Transport
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/03/04/buses-only-the-latest-in-israel-s-segretated-public-transport.html

Poll: Most Israeli Jews back segregated West Bank buses
Jun 11, 2015
http://www.timesofisrael.com/poll-shows-plurality-of-israeli-arabs-would-ignore-settlements-boycott/

Israeli Rabbis: Don't Rent Homes to Non-Jews
http://www.voanews.com/content/israeli-rabbis-dont-rent-homes-to-non-jews---111456009/172504.html

Israel's High Court rejects petition against apartheid planning regime
Ben White Friday, 12 June 2015
https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/blogs/politics/19199-israels-high-court-rejects-petition-against-apartheid-planning-regime








Related

An hypocritical, shameful conduct by SC Church? (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?477190-An-hypocritical-shameful-conduct-by-SC-Church&)

Black college student sparks debate by hanging Confederate flag in dorm room, says 'I know it's kind of weird because I'm black'
Byron Thomas says the flag's real meaning has been hijacked
THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Thursday, December 1, 2011, 8:22 PM
http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.985610.1322827542%21/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_970/confederatewire2n-1-web.jpg Rachel Heaton/The (Hilton Head) Island Packet via AP
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/black-college-student-sparks-debate-hanging-confederate-flag-dorm-room-kind-weird-black-article-1.985611

[Inkblots]

Well, good. This "issue" was never anything more than a silly distraction, and I'm glad South Carolinians are finally going to put it to rest.

[phill4paul]

Does the governor have the authority? Seems like it would have to go through the State House to me.

[milgram]

Requires 2/3 legislative support.

[RonPaulMall]

Does the governor have the authority? Seems like it would have to go through the State House to me.

No. She does not have the authority. The General Assembly would have to vote on it and it would require 2/3 majority. Session ends pretty soon and I can't imagine they'd want to take something like this up at the last minute (though ramming it down at the last minute is the Left's preferred way for getting things like this done).

[alucard13mm]

PC is anti-liberty.

[juleswin]

PC is anti-liberty.

Don't forget civility, courtesy, chivalry etc etc. Its weird how a lot of people on the Liberty tree forum conduct themselves in a politically correct manner in some many ways without even knowing it.

I remember all the uproar that did not happen when someone was temp banned for calling another member "sugar tits".

[thoughtomator]

It's not going to happen. That flag is not a symbol of hate or slavery, to the people who adhere to it - it's a symbol of giving the middle finger to meddling northerners.

[enhanced_deficit]

Well, good. This "issue" was never anything more than a silly distraction, and I'm glad South Carolinians are finally going to put it to rest.

My fear is that more South Carolinians will start flying this flag in their yards now.. there were already many doing this in southern states.

[tod evans]

My fear is that more South Carolinians will start flying this flag in their yards now.. there were already many doing this in southern states.

Rest assured.....

[RonPaul4Prez2012]

I say we fly this flag over the SC capitol.

http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/images/u/us-afro-a.gif

who's with me?????

[juleswin]

I say we fly this flag over the SC capitol.

http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/images/u/us-afro-a.gif

who's with me?????

But why? unless somehow you believe it is the African American equivalent of the Confederation flag which I don't think it is. How about everyone just fly their own damn flag and quit complaining.

[RonPaul4Prez2012]

But why? unless somehow you believe it is the African American equivalent of the Confederation flag which I don't think it is. How about everyone just fly their own damn flag and quit complaining.

I guess you dont get the sarcasm.

[DFF]

I say we fly this flag over the SC capitol.

http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/images/u/us-afro-a.gif

who's with me?????

With this.

http://cdn.theatlantic.com/static/mt/assets/national/rainbow-flag.jpg

Just the way the founding fathers envisioned it when they set up our "inclusive" democracy. :rolleyes:

[Zippyjuan]

How about one of these? Freedom of expression and all that.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/86/AQMI_Flag.svg/220px-AQMI_Flag.svg.png

[juleswin]

I guess you dont get the sarcasm.

Ofc not, I didn't think you were serious about proposing SC fly that flag in their state house. But I just thought you believe that it was somehow the African American equivalent of the confederate flag and that was you used it to write your sarcastic post.

[RonPaul4Prez2012]

With this.

http://cdn.theatlantic.com/static/mt/assets/national/rainbow-flag.jpg

Just the way the founding fathers envisioned it when they set up our "inclusive" democracy. :rolleyes:


And these

https://www.ultimateflags.com/images/P/infidel-flag.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d4/Flag_of_Israel.svg/1280px-Flag_of_Israel.svg.png

[wizardwatson]

Now Walmart is caving.


We never want to offend anyone with the products that we offer. We have taken steps to remove all items promoting the confederate flag from our assortment — whether in our stores or on our web site,” said Walmart spokesman Brian Nick. “We have a process in place to help lead us to the right decisions when it comes to the merchandise we sell. Still, at times, items make their way into our assortment improperly — this is one of those instances.

http://gizmodo.com/walmart-is-pulling-all-confederate-flag-merchandise-fro-1713220092

What about movies? How far are we going to take this America?

[enhanced_deficit]

How about one of these? Freedom of expression and all that.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/86/AQMI_Flag.svg/220px-AQMI_Flag.svg.png

Doubt it SC would go for this.. but this flag seen been sighted in NY already.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_6eonppuEMEo/S4ZEecJYvXI/AAAAAAAAJp0/LpzQmtbYGjM/s400/Younes+Abdullah+Mohammed.jpghttp://2.bp.blogspot.com/_6eonppuEMEo/S4ZCab9kUYI/AAAAAAAAJps/SbrVmezFraA/s400/shahadayu3.jpg

Full picture is in the ISIS=RM2.0 link below.

[RonPaul4Prez2012]

Id like to see this in the bible belt

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/378800000257939227/fa900e7191a15cd1d150c65322597920.jpeg

[DFF]

Gotta have this one.

http://www.miniharm.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/flag.png

After all, a Socialist paradise is what James Madison had in mind when he created the framework for the US Constitution. ;)

[Carlybee]

My concern is that it basically is trying to sweep the history of the civil war under the rug. Yes, slavery was horrible, yes many people who love the confederate flag may very well be racists, but there were also atrocities committed against the confederates during the war as well like being allowed to starve and freeze to death while captured in union POW camps. Not all of those soldiers were slave owners...many of them were teenagers not even old enough to enlist. One of my own distant relatives fought on the side of the union and used to raid the camps of his own townspeople and rob and murder them. There are a lot of stories that will just no longer matter because only one side of the story will matter and once again, history will get re-written.

[phill4paul]

How far are we going to take this America?

It's been going on for years. Many cases documented right here on RPF. Now it will just ramp up until all vestiges of secession are washed away by the tide of ignorance and social brainwashing.

[tod evans]

What about movies? How far are we going to take this America?

http://www.madness-us-cars.com/histoire-automobile-americaine/dukes-of-hazzard.jpg

[phill4paul]

http://www.madness-us-cars.com/histoire-automobile-americaine/dukes-of-hazzard.jpg

NASCAR Bans General Lee over Confederate Flag Concerns

http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/top-stories/nascar-bans-general-lee-over-confederate-flag-concerns.html

[tod evans]

NASCAR Bans General Lee over Confederate Flag Concerns


Bet that'll set well with the mouth breathers......

[wizardwatson]

NASCAR Bans General Lee over Confederate Flag Concerns

http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/top-stories/nascar-bans-general-lee-over-confederate-flag-concerns.html

Yeah, I heard that sad news on another thread. I used to own the toy. Never once in my mind did I connect that flag with racism. Just heroes fighting corruption.

[Anti Federalist]

It's not going to happen. That flag is not a symbol of hate or slavery, to the people who adhere to it - it's a symbol of giving the middle finger to meddling northerners.

Pffft...half of New York and New Jersey now live in the Carolinas.

You're no more "southern" than bagels and lox nowadays.

<<<hauls ass

[phill4paul]

Yeah, I heard that sad news on another thread. I used to own the toy. Never once in my mind did I connect that flag with racism. Just heroes fighting corruption.

Can't have that flag showing in public now....

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-1Fg4WXvWe8o/T4Xg-kW_4bI/AAAAAAAADa4/ElSLPD8Oxp4/s400/2012-04-11_15-00-27_552.jpg


The first thing you notice is that the flag on the roof is absent. But fear not Dukes faithful. Auto World has not committed such an egregious act; they merely covered it under an orange decal. The General sure looks weird in the box though. It almost looks bald.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-bh-TtxZCLuU/T4XVWwrRNrI/AAAAAAAADbo/_YDgwG7wSOY/s400/2012-04-11_15-02-08_703.jpg


Another picture of the "bald" General still in the box.

http://dukescollector.blogspot.com/2012/04/new-118-scale-diecast-general-lee-from.html

[tod evans]

Pffft...half of New York and New Jersey now live in the Carolinas.

You're no more "southern" than bagels and lox nowadays.

<<<hauls ass

This is a Southern bagel;

http://realmomkitchen.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/Freezer-Biscuits.jpg

I've got no idea what in the hell lox is but we put sausage gravy on our biscuits;

http://www.simplyrecipes.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/biscuits-and-gravy-horiz-800.jpg

And you wash that down with strong coffee, the kind without funny names.....

[phill4paul]

Pffft...half of New York and New Jersey now live in the Carolinas.

You're no more "southern" than bagels and lox nowadays.

<<<hauls ass

SMDH. Can't argue with that. Damn half-backs.

[Anti Federalist]

Wal Marx bans Confederate flag merchandise.



Walmart declares it will stop offering ‘Confederate flag’ products

http://politics.blog.ajc.com/2015/06/22/walmart-declares-it-will-stop-offering-confederate-flag-products/

June 22, 2015

When you’ve lost Walmart, you have truly lost the ‘Lost Cause.’ The nation’s largest retailer says it will remove all Confederate battle flag merchandise from its stores and website.

From CNN:

“We never want to offend anyone with the products that we offer. We have taken steps to remove all items promoting the Confederate flag from our assortment — whether in our stores or on our web site,” said Walmart spokesman Brian Nick. “We have a process in place to help lead us to the right decisions when it comes to the merchandise we sell. Still, at times, items make their way into our assortment improperly — this is one of those instances.”

[phill4paul]

Prediction: In another 5 years the Confederate flag will be pixelated out on T.V.

[enhanced_deficit]

Walmart declares it will stop offering ‘Confederate flag’ products

http://politics.blog.ajc.com/2015/06/22/walmart-declares-it-will-stop-offering-confederate-flag-products/

June 22, 2015

...
“We never want to offend anyone with the products that we offer. ..

But they will keep selling guns right that do not offend anyone?

[Anti Federalist]

I've got no idea what in the hell lox is...

Oy, gevalt!

[Carlybee]

http://www.thedailybeastdotcom/articles/2015/06/22/the-southern-avenger-repents-i-was-wrong-about-the-confederate-flag.html


The Southern Avenger Repents. (Link broken)

[wizardwatson]

Prediction: In another 5 years the Confederate flag will be pixelated out on T.V.

Hey, come to think of it maybe the liberty movement can capitalize on these murders too.

Dollar bills are made out of cotton. Can we dissolve the Federal Reserve?

[Carlybee]

Pffft...half of New York and New Jersey now live in the Carolinas.

You're no more "southern" than bagels and lox nowadays.

<<<hauls ass


Not too far off....when I was there a decade ago, seemed like all the antique shops were owned by Yankees.

[Anti Federalist]

But they will keep selling guns right that do not offend anyone?

I'm offended by Wal Marx customers.

http://buzzlamp.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/lowriders3-1.jpg

[Carlybee]

I'm offended by Wal Marx customers.

http://buzzlamp.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/lowriders3-1.jpg


Dayum...is that a toilet on wheels?

[DFF]

Prediction: In another 5 years the Confederate flag will be pixelated out on T.V.

Prediction: in another 10 years it will be a crime to be white in public and all whites will have to wear burqas.

[Anti Federalist]

Bet that'll set well with the mouth breathers......

NASCAR's all pretty boys and broads now as well, groomed from age 5 by their Daddy Warbucks to do nothing but drive in circles, under a regulation and rule book so big it would choke a Sultan's camel train.

This is NASCAR racing...Junior Johnson going 180 MPH in an open window car with a leather helmet and a deck of Luckies rolled up in his sleeve, engine sizes in cubic inches painted on the hood.

http://s.hswstatic.com/gif/1965-nascar-1.jpg

[Aratus]

i just did a classic WALL OF ARATUS --- here is a more readable version of what i said about Mitt Romney + Jack Hunter.


Mitt Romney utilized the word "immediately" in his recent tweet and voiced his anger and outrage over the shooting. Governor Haley by now bringing a new focus on the flag is opening up the debate once more as she clearly indicates how close a political ally she is to Gentleman Mitt! Jack Hunter is an intelligent man. He says what he thinks. He just laid out a major insight. "I now have different priorities. Dylann Roof is a reminder of what’s at stake." Kids like Dylann Roof must be talked to. Right after May of 1865 our Civil War ends, in part because Jefferson Davis is captured by Union troops after he leaves Abbeville, South Carolina.

I looked at the film COPPERHEAD online because I missed my opportunity to see the film in a local movie house. Likewise, THE CONSPIRATOR, the "indie" film that Robert Redford directed so well and competantly in a theater near me is another missed opportunity. I really liked the fine British actor who plays out the role of Reverdy Johnson! Its easy to feel sorry for Mary Surratt, or even ask, if Andrew Johnson was to later on in that year by X~mas or New Years hand out a partial or full presidential pardon to so many Confederates, why did he hold back in terms of Doctor Samuel Mudd, Mary Surratt and George Adzerodt?

Answer --- Andrew Johnson was a very contrary Tennessee Scalawag of a politician, loyal to a fault to Honest Abe but often delighting in the way we could get his opponents PO'ed. He often quarreled with Senator Jefferson Davis and was never known to have worshipped the ground he walked on. Andrew Johnson did his darndest to keep Tennessee in the Union. If one is vaguely familar with both the Presidential Reconstruction and then the Congressional Reconstruction that follows on the heels of the election of 1866 one has seen the adjective RADICAL modifying the word Republican, and one can get confused. The political stances taken by today's LIBERAL REPUBLICANs are very similar to the stances taken by Senator Charles Sumner, who by definition IS a Radical Republican. Not many GOP people after the time of William McKinley are being described as a being a Radical Republican.


Senator Ed Brooke is a Liberal Republican. Mitt Romney is a Centrist Republican. His tweet does not change this. Clearly John Hunter is being less the politician and more like the great Irish statesman Edmund Burke who was aghast at what the French Revolution did to France and then defined Toryism in a good way as well as Conservatism here and in the U.K! Sometimes in a manner like Edmund Burke one finds oneself ceasing to be as Whig as one becomes more Tory. Sometimes one has to say when things are becoming sadly violent, whether on a small scale or a much greater scale. I am not trying to lump this recent tragedy in with Columbine or the shootings in Newtown, Connecticut a few years back and simply say guns are to blame. Its more than this.


There is a climate of hatred that some people are more open to, hense why our POTUS suggested the other day that the flag belongs in a museum. Over the last few weeks and months I've been following events in the U.K and was delightfully fascinated by the pomp and ceremony that reburied the mortal remains of RICHARD III. Between 2o12 and 2o15 I've been looking at online episodes of America Unearthed and the controversy about the Kensington Rune Stone. Normally our great Civil War is remembered in great detail by all re-enactors, they take great pride in getting their equipment and uniforms correct. Small details are important.

Just the other day the U.K celebrated the 800th anniversary of the very reluctant signing of the Magna Carta by King John at Runnymede. In 1485 the wrong king may have won the battle of Bosworth Field, and the same can be said about 1066 and Harold Godwinson, who Edward the Confessor wanted as his sworn heir! I'm bringing up 1492 also, and how often Scott Wolter thinks a European got to our Western Hemisphere shores well long before Christopher Columbus. In my minds eye I was comparing 1485 to 1066, and as I was going into Riii related Facebook sites and webpages, i encountered a geneology. In Spain, prior to the union of Aragon and Castile, at least ten kings with the name Alfonso ruled Castile.


Richard III has Alfonso X of Spain as an ancestor. I had thought of him as being French or Norman French but not as being part Castilian! Freshly from this ancient lore i was when soon looked at the two photos online that show Dylann Roof next to the date 1488 in the sand. Well I knew that Francis Lovell tries to organize a revolt against HENRY TUDOR but it is in 1487, and is put down. Henry VII when on the English throne tends to act like King John, his ancient anscestor. He likes to have heavy taxes placed on England's peasants and yeoman farmers. Any positive social reforms that happened under either Edward IV or Richard III run the risk of being rolled back under Henry Tudor and often were. He can be said to be England's last truly Catholic king, which if we discuss kings who both reign and rule, we start to articulate out the thought that poor Richard the Third was the second to last Catholic monarch of any significance before the Reformation and Henry the Eighth!


I view Dylann Roof as a classic example of the way our public schools can fail the people who go through them. I know why Mitt Romney expressed himself on Twitter in the manner he did, please keep in mind he could run in A.D 2o2o if Senator Rand Paul sits that one out. He'd get 60% of the vote in 2o2o because he, Governor Haley and Barack Obama are in an agreement on this. I'm backing Jack Hunter to every ounce of my being, he is very correct and logical! Yes, lets honour the fallen dead with their appropriate flags who fought and fell for the South, but let us also humour the idea if we do not understand the reasons why we fought our great Civil War we may doom our descendants to fight things out in a repeat performance of the events of 1861 to 1865 if we ever become as polarized again on an issue of the day.


As i said before, I have my reasons as to why the better king dies on Bosworth Field, even if we skim over the House of Tudor, we find that the mid-1600s saw a very polarizing Civil War in the U.K and it is no coincidence many of descendants of the people who backed York or Lancaster either went very Royalist or very Roundhead when trying to see where England was going. In time, as the Puritans lost out, their supporters tended to emigrate here NORTH of the Mason-Dixon line, even if their Royalist and very Cavalier cousins and kin would emigrate SOUTH of the Mason-Dixon line. The power we hand to our POTUS at the federal level is akin to the legitimate degree and level of authority handed to England's kings from the time of Emperor Constantine the Great and King Arthur onwards up into the modern era and Constitutional way of doing things. If we are ethnically English or British, we have ancestors who grumbled about, protested or hated heavy, unjust and high handed taxes. This sums up everything from the Doomsday book to now. I am more focused on 1066, 1485 and even 1688/89 if i try to ignore 1775 or 1776.

The two photos of Dylann Roof scrawling out his version of 1488 in beach sand is part of our national tragedy. Lets break apart and fragment away this polarizing political cycle of more than a thousand years duration, that in time did evolve the Whig and Tory parties of Edmund Burke's day in a good way. If we cannot break what is an ancestral pattern, we may be dooming everyone's descendants to something worse than what has gone before. I admire Jack Hunter for his logic and his honesty. He understands John Locke much better than most of us here...

http://drmudd.org/ <--- he may have been at the wrong place at the wrong time. he evidently was a halfway decent doctor!

[Anti Federalist]

Prediction: in another 10 years it will be a crime to be white in public and all whites will have to wear burqas.

Oh I doubt that.

You'll just have to scourge yourself weekly to atone for your sins and keep your privilege in check.

http://www.odt.co.nz/files/story/2012/04/hooded_barefoot_penitents_perform_self_flagellatio _4f7e1357f4.JPG

[RonPaul4Prez2012]

Pffft...half of New York and New Jersey now live in the Carolinas.

You're no more "southern" than bagels and lox nowadays.

<<<hauls ass

And one half of Ohio. The other half of Ohio moved to SD and ruined that city.

[Peace&Freedom]

What the episode exposes is how efficiently the establishment can put a delphi campaign together that pours saturation coverage onto what The Powers That Be have decreed must be the one and only mainstream view. Using their control over both parties, they ordered the Democratic minions to go into uniform charge mode on the "put the Confederate Flag in a museum" sing-song meme, while coordinating the GOP leadership to crumble and cave like a house of race cards.

These days (from a deep politics approach), is there any PC cultural issue where senior Democratic figures will deviate from "the line" set by their masters? These days, is there any PC cultural issue top Republicans won't cave on, when intense emotional pressure is applied? Of course not, they both have their marching orders. So long as everybody is getting properly wedged over the flag, all is well as far as the elite is concerned, because we aren't thinking about the TPP, the imminent collapse of the financial markets, and other matters they don't want you to focus on.

Or put another (traditional partisan) way, the GOP now appears to stand for nothing except a militaristic foreign policy--it's the one area it won't budge on (Rand Paul excepted), and can be otherwise expected to throw their conservative base vote to the wolves on the rest of the issues, once the heat gets too hot. Democrats are likewise stuck in "when you're losing, turn every issue into race" in order to turn things around.

[AuH20]

Take away a man's heritage and you can write his future.

[r3volution 3.0]

http://www.frontpagemag.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/8858490.jpg

There are not words in this language sufficient to express my hatred and contempt for the people orchestrating this...

Here (http://www.cafepress.com/+confederate-flag+bumper-stickers?cmp=knc--g--us--mil--bsm--search-b--Confederate%20Flag_bumper%20sticker&pid=3607873&utm_medium=cpc&utm_source=Google&utm_campaign=Military%20BSM%20-%20US&utm_content=search-b&utm_term=Confederate%20Flag-bumper%20sticker) is where you can buy your stars and bars bumper sticker, which I will now be putting all over my car (yes, I can afford the additional tickets).

Fuck you PC twats.

Now, let us have a sing-along.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQmO-WfEkk4

[phill4paul]

From Sons of Confederate Veterans FB....


Compatriots,
Your General Executive Council met this evening via teleconference to formulate a plan to address the rapidly changing situation in Columbia, South Carolina, where the governor today called on the legislature to authorize the removal of our ancestor's Battle Flag from their monument on the state house grounds.
During the meeting, we received information that the state assembly will meet tomorrow at 10:00 a.m. (eastern time) to finalize some details of the state's budget before formally adjourning. It is expected that this budget legislation will have a rider authorizing lowering the flag added to it. If it receives the necessary support, the flag may come down as soon as tomorrow.

Below are the phone numbers to both the house and senate switchboards. Call them with this simple message: Leave the flag where it is. I do not know at what hours the phone may be answered. Try now if you like. What I do know is that messages will be relayed into the house and senate chambers even after their sessions begin. Keep calling. Be polite, but firm.

It is imperative that you act. And please encourage friends and family members to do the same.
Here are the numbers:
House Lobby Desk: (803) 734-2402
Senate Lobby Desk:(803) 212-6700
Deo Vindice!
Charles Kelly Barrow
Commander-in-Chief
Sons of Confederate Veterans
@scvcic
www.scv.org

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Sons-of-Confederate-Veterans-Official/149308815083112

[ChiefJustice]

http://www.frontpagemag.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/8858490.jpg

There are not words in this language sufficient to express my hatred and contempt for the people orchestrating this...

Here (http://www.cafepress.com/+confederate-flag+bumper-stickers?cmp=knc--g--us--mil--bsm--search-b--Confederate%20Flag_bumper%20sticker&pid=3607873&utm_medium=cpc&utm_source=Google&utm_campaign=Military%20BSM%20-%20US&utm_content=search-b&utm_term=Confederate%20Flag-bumper%20sticker) is where you can buy your stars and bars bumper sticker, which I will now be putting all over my car (yes, I can afford the additional tickets).

Fuck you PC twats.

Now, let us have a sing-along.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQmO-WfEkk4
If you are truly for liberty you wouldn't do a sing-along for the Confederacy that was largely established to protect the institution of slavery.

[r3volution 3.0]

If you are truly for liberty you wouldn't do a sing-along for the Confederacy that was largely established to protect the institution of slavery.

If you had a clue what you were talking about you wouldn't have stated that statement.

See this thread (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?465331-Did-the-Confederacy-really-secede-over-quot-states-rights-quot&p=5817139&viewfull=1#post5817139)...

[Origanalist]

My concern is that it basically is trying to sweep the history of the civil war under the rug. Yes, slavery was horrible, yes many people who love the confederate flag may very well be racists, but there were also atrocities committed against the confederates during the war as well like being allowed to starve and freeze to death while captured in union POW camps. Not all of those soldiers were slave owners...many of them were teenagers not even old enough to enlist. One of my own distant relatives fought on the side of the union and used to raid the camps of his own townspeople and rob and murder them. There are a lot of stories that will just no longer matter because only one side of the story will matter and once again, history will get re-written.

A hundred times this^^^^^^^

Read the tweets this "movement" has generated. Glory, glory fucking hallelujah. The South was dirty evil racists and the north's shit never stank and the traitors all deserved horrible deaths for the unholy sin of trying to leave the sanctified union. It literally makes me want to barf.

[r3volution 3.0]

^^^

#MarchToTheSea

#Nuremberg II

[ChiefJustice]

If you had a clue what you were talking about you wouldn't have stated that statement.

See this thread (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?465331-Did-the-Confederacy-really-secede-over-quot-states-rights-quot&p=5817139&viewfull=1#post5817139)...
The Confederacy protected the institution of enslavement of human beings. Can you get that through your thick skull? Even if you wish to deny that slavery played a major role in the secession you absolutely cannot deny that the Confederacy maintained slavery. Thus the Confederacy is a direct contradiction to the idea of liberty. Thus your support of the Confederacy exposes a deep flaw in your supposed belief in liberty.

AND IM NOT DEFENDING THE UNION. Nor would I glorify its own actions. So don't make that direct assumption.

[r3volution 3.0]

The Confederacy protected the institution of enslavement of human beings. Can you get that through your thick skull? Even if you wish to deny that slavery played a major role in the secession you absolutely cannot deny that the Confederacy maintained slavery. Thus the Confederacy is a direct contradiction to the idea of liberty. Thus your support of the Confederacy exposes a deep flaw in your supposed belief in liberty.

Thus you are an imbecile and the conversation is concluded.

[Origanalist]

I'm offended by Wal Marx customers.

http://buzzlamp.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/lowriders3-1.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-6HNNvNTYHSk/VWpleITHTEI/AAAAAAAAHwo/7tPh7b3BF6s/s1600/fat.jpg

[AuH20]

The Confederacy protected the institution of enslavement of human beings. Can you get that through your thick skull? Even if you wish to deny that slavery played a major role in the secession you absolutely cannot deny that the Confederacy maintained slavery. Thus the Confederacy is a direct contradiction to the idea of liberty. Thus your support of the Confederacy exposes a deep flaw in your supposed belief in liberty.

I admire the Confederacy's resolve to tell the North to shove it, after the Northern mercantilists devised a scheme to exploit Southern industry. And I'm speaking as a Yankee, geographically of course.

[fr33]

I'm probably wrong but my gut reaction is that; better they take away the rebel flag from a state capitol than to try more gun control. Even just the gun control scares where no laws are passed are real and affect my pocketbook. Squashing the confederate flag does nothing to me.

[Origanalist]

The Confederacy protected the institution of enslavement of human beings. Can you get that through your thick skull? Even if you wish to deny that slavery played a major role in the secession you absolutely cannot deny that the Confederacy maintained slavery. Thus the Confederacy is a direct contradiction to the idea of liberty. Thus your support of the Confederacy exposes a deep flaw in your supposed belief in liberty.

AND IM NOT DEFENDING THE UNION. Nor would I glorify its own actions. So don't make that direct assumption.

So lets get that dirty flag off all State property. It's been waving over hundreds of times more evil than the the stars and bars ever did.

[r3volution 3.0]

^^^But but but, Lincoln or sumptin...

[Origanalist]

I'm probably wrong but my gut reaction is that; better they take away the rebel flag from a state capitol than to try more gun control. Even just the gun control scares where no laws are passed are real and affect my pocketbook. Squashing the confederate flag does nothing to me.

It won't stop with the flag, and shouts of gun control are generously mixed in with the shouts to take down the flag. Don't kid yourself.

[AuH20]

Keep this in mind....................


"In my study of communist societies, I came to the conclusion that the purpose of communist propaganda was not to persuade or convince, not to inform, but to humiliate; and therefore, the less it corresponded to reality the better. When people are forced to remain silent when they are being told the most obvious lies, or even worse when they are forced to repeat the lies themselves, they lose once and for all their sense of probity. To assent to obvious lies is…in some small way to become evil oneself. One’s standing to resist anything is thus eroded, and even destroyed. A society of emasculated liars is easy to control. I think if you examine political correctness, it has the same effect and is intended to.”

– Theodore Dalrymple


I refuse to give in to these unholy bastards. I think I will add a confederate morale patch to my kit, even though I had no emotional attachment to the flag prior to this event.

[cindy25]

I don't like how they have given in to the progressives. as recently as the 80's the Confederate flag was mainstream in the south. the Dukes of Hazzard ran until 1985 on network tv, and there were no protests about the General Lee. now Wal-Mart won't sell a flag t-shirt. what about Che t-shirts? are they ok?

[Origanalist]

^^^But but but, Lincoln or sumptin...

Ya, or something. Fucking hypocrites.

[Origanalist]

^^^

#MarchToTheSea

#Nuremberg II

http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1892942!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/gallery_1200/atomic-bombing-hiroshima-nagasaki-69-years.jpg

http://ourtour.co.uk/home/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Desden-Bombed.jpg

[AuH20]

I don't like how they have given in to the progressives. as recently as the 80's the Confederate flag was mainstream in the south. the Dukes of Hazzard ran until 1985 on network tv, and there were no protests about the General Lee. now Wal-Mart won't sell a flag t-shirt. what about Che t-shirts? are they ok?

Yes, it's very sad how people capitulate to these gangster tactics.

[AuH20]

Here we go. Monkey see, monkey do...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/22/mississippi-confederate-flag_n_7641512.html

[fr33]

It won't stop with the flag, and shouts of gun control are generously mixed in with the shouts to take down the flag. Don't kid yourself.
Maybe but so far it's not like the Sandy Hook aftermath. The shouts for gun control are there but the rush on ammo and the gouging isn't.

[VIDEODROME]

Wal Marx bans Confederate flag merchandise.



Walmart declares it will stop offering ‘Confederate flag’ products

http://politics.blog.ajc.com/2015/06/22/walmart-declares-it-will-stop-offering-confederate-flag-products/

June 22, 2015

When you’ve lost Walmart, you have truly lost the ‘Lost Cause.’ The nation’s largest retailer says it will remove all Confederate battle flag merchandise from its stores and website.

From CNN:

“We never want to offend anyone with the products that we offer. We have taken steps to remove all items promoting the Confederate flag from our assortment — whether in our stores or on our web site,” said Walmart spokesman Brian Nick. “We have a process in place to help lead us to the right decisions when it comes to the merchandise we sell. Still, at times, items make their way into our assortment improperly — this is one of those instances.”

Nothing new. Don't they already apply heavy censorship to the music allowed in their store?

[r3volution 3.0]

Therefore I deemed that you were fighting the battles of our liberty, our progress, and our civilization; and I mourn for the stake which was lost at Richmond more deeply than I rejoice over that which was saved at Waterloo.

--Lord Acton to Robert. E. Lee. 1866

Do the shitlib PC SJWs even know what was saved at Waterloo? Do they even have a clue about where/what Waterloo was?

Could they possibly understand the connection between finally butchering the Jacobins on a rainy field in Belgium and the Confederate cause?

***rhetorical questions (of course they can't)

...if this whole media event, re downing the confederate flag, is designed to make rational people become apoplectic with rage, it has succeeded.

...maybe the idea is for all of us to stroke out.

[ChiefJustice]

Thus you are an imbecile and the conversation is concluded.
As I mentioned beforehand, the Union was not exactly fighting the good fight. Im not an imbecile that would think the North simply wanted to abolish slavery promptly and that was all the war was about. Of course it wasn't because that didn't become a significant aim until later on. But the matter of slave states/non slave states and the fear of the potential abolition in the future did play a significant role in sparking the secession.

You can argue about economics and tariffs playing a role too but dont neglect the slavery issue. The CSA protected slavery and would have maintained it for the foreseeable future of it had the opportunity. That is directly against the belief in liberty for all human beings. So your precious Confederacy did have a major aspect of it that was rotten to the core. And good riddance that it is long gone.

If all you can do is call me an "imbecile" and say "conversation over!" then I see you don't have any decent argument on your behalf. Your belief in liberty is a total sham if you can honestly feel strongly in support of the Confederacy.

[r3volution 3.0]

^^^Read the thread I cited earlier

If and when you appear to have understood the contents thereof, we'll talk.

Till then, sorry for calling you an imbecile, but I call it like I see it.

Don't have opinions on subjects about which you know nothing.

[Carlybee]

I compare the whole thing to book burning. They'll probably try to force Texas to take the Lone Star down one of these days as being offensive to Mexicans.

[r3volution 3.0]

http://ourtour.co.uk/home/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Desden-Bombed.jpg

Berlin c. 1945?

Christ, horrifying.

....now, someone show me a photo of all the cities Robert E. Lee burned to the ground and opened to his soldiers for rape and slaughter.

(I won't hold my breath)

[Carlybee]

4265

[cindy25]

Maybe but so far it's not like the Sandy Hook aftermath. The shouts for gun control are there but the rush on ammo and the gouging isn't.

which might be a problem. maybe the people are ready to fold on gun control also.

[Origanalist]

Berlin c. 1945?

Christ, horrifying.

....now, someone show me a photo of all the cities Robert E. Lee burned to the ground and opened to his soldiers for rape and slaughter.

(I won't hold my breath)

Dresden.

[r3volution 3.0]

Dresden.

...and every other city in Germany.

My ancestors' home, Stuttgart, is currently a hill above the new city.

The hill is built from the rubble of the old city, and the bodies of its former inhabitants.

[DFF]

Dresden was so utterly horrific that it's difficult to even think about.

Hopefully Churchill earned a trip to the seventh layer of Hell for this war crime of war crimes.

[r3volution 3.0]

Britain's "city busting" had (and was recognized at the time as having) no military purpose.

It was was pure murder.

If there is a God, Churchill is indeed burning in hell.

....as is William Sherman.

[twomp]

It's pretty funny to see how much people have invested into a stupid flag. (On both sides of the argument.) It's like the media said, I want you sheep to argue about this! And you morons start arguing! A few weeks ago, no one gave a shit bout that flag and now people are talking about losing their HERITAGE and RACE WARS LMAO!!!

[r3volution 3.0]

A few weeks ago, no one gave a shit bout that flag...

Speak for yourself.

As far as I'm concerned, it is the single most important episode in American history after the first war of independence.

Some of us have cared for a long time indeed.

If you just caught on in the last two days, you need catching up.

[ChiefJustice]

^^^Read the thread I cited earlier

If and when you appear to have understood the contents thereof, we'll talk.

Till then, sorry for calling you an imbecile, but I call it like I see it.

Don't have opinions on subjects about which you know nothing.
I don't actually care if you call me an imbecile. Ironic statement you underlined there because it seems you are lost in the delusion that slavery was not the major issue that led to the secession. Why is it that all of the attempted compromises in the frenzy leading up to Lincoln's election had to do with the issue of slavery? The economic/tariff factors are exaggerated and pale in comparison to the importance of slavery in leading to the war.

You quote the President of the Confederacy, Jefferson Davis. Of course he would make a statement indicating that the secession and formation of the CSA had to do with economic factors. Do you think it would be beneficial for Davis and the Confederates to admit that the preservation of slavery was behind its formation? Remember that the Southerners once upon a time would refer to slavery as a "necessary evil". Evil. The President of the CSA will name anything else as the motivation behind the entity.

[twomp]

I don't actually care if you call me an imbecile. Ironic statement you underlined there because it seems you are lost in the delusion that slavery was not the major issue that led to the secession. Why is it that all of the attempted compromises in the frenzy leading up to Lincoln's election had to do with the issue of slavery? The economic/tariff factors are exaggerated and pale in comparison to the importance of slavery in leading to the war.

You quote the President of the Confederacy, Jefferson Davis. Of course he would make a statement indicating that the secession and formation of the CSA had to do with economic factors. Do you think it would be beneficial for Davis and the Confederates to admit that the preservation of slavery was behind its formation? Remember that the Southerners once upon a time would refer to slavery as a "necessary evil". Evil. The President of the CSA will name anything else as the motivation behind the entity.

Can I ask why all of a sudden you care about this flag so much? Is this an issue you have been advocating all your life? Do you wake up everyday and shake your head at the thought of this flag flying? Are you even from South Carolina? It's just a fking flag. You most likely didn't give a shit about it until the media told you to give a shit about it.

[ChiefJustice]

Can I ask why all of a sudden you care about this flag so much? Is this an issue you have been advocating all your life? Do you wake up everyday and shake your head at the thought of this flag flying? Are you even from South Carolina? It's just a fking flag. You most likely didn't give a shit about it until the media told you to give a shit about it.
I probably wouldn't be on LF if I was suckered into caring about what the media tells me to care about.

Feel free to take part in the actual discussion instead of pestering me about my supposed motives.

[twomp]

I probably wouldn't be on LF if I was suckered into caring about what the media tells me to care about.

Feel free to take part in the actual discussion instead of pestering me about my supposed motives.

Really? IF the you weren't suckered into caring why haven't you brought up this flag issue before? You seem SO PASSIONATE about it. Why bring it up now if you have cared about this issue soooo much?? Hmm?? Is it only this flag that you care so much about? What about the Chinese flag or the Al Qaeda flag or the Canadian flag? Do any of those flags cause you to lose sleep?

[Origanalist]

I probably wouldn't be on LF if I was suckered into caring about what the media tells me to care about.

Feel free to take part in the actual discussion instead of pestering me about my supposed motives.

In truth you haven't been here much, so there's that.

[Origanalist]

Really? IF the you weren't suckered into caring why haven't you brought up this flag issue before? You seem SO PASSIONATE about it. Why bring it up now if you have cared about this issue soooo much?? Hmm?? Is it only this flag that you care so much about? What about the Chinese flag or the Al Qaeda flag or the Canadian flag? Do any of those flags cause you to lose sleep?

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[wizardwatson]

It's pretty funny to see how much people have invested into a stupid flag. (On both sides of the argument.) It's like the media said, I want you sheep to argue about this! And you morons start arguing! A few weeks ago, no one gave a shit bout that flag and now people are talking about losing their HERITAGE and RACE WARS LMAO!!!

First off the "race war" angle was precisely the point as Dylann said himself. The problem is that the flag isn't about race to people who understand the truth and history. Let's remember that Lincoln was no less of a racist than a Southerner and that the North was still segregated.

Like 9/11, or the Federal Reserve, or Al Qaeda there are many truths and histories that people on here believe and know. Just because we don't talk about them constantly doesn't mean we don't "hold these truths to be self-evident". It's really assumed to me that people understand the Civil War was a lie on this forum.

Now when they go after this flag as if it's about race it isn't "racism" that's defending and speaking truth to the meaning of that flag. It's just truth. And to frame it as racism is to bury the truth of secessionism and it's reasons from the public view. That's the reason to speak up about the flag. It's essentially an attack on truth. Because WHAT IS ATTACKING the flag right now is essentially the same lying mentality that caused the union to split in the first place and now it seems they are coming in to finish the kill and in addition rewrite history.

We care about it now, or should, because it's relevant now. If someone comes and tries to rewrite the narrative for 9/11, or Iraq, or Vietnam, then we speak up about those things at that time.

Pretty simple.

Yes, the "media" and Dylann Roof and his puppet-masters whether they be direct or indirect initiated the assault but that doesn't mean that all sides are manufactured. There's always an enemy and an objective from whichever side you view it.

[ChiefJustice]

In truth you haven't been here much, so there's that.
So you don't want to discuss the Confederacy and are only interested in questioning why I care. Again feel free to take part in the discussion.

I lurked and posted during the Ron Paul campaign because I was/am a big supporter of his. I'm entitled to an opinion on the matter of the Confederacy and why people still seek to defend it. As someone who loves history I happen to take particular interest in this discussion.

Any input?

[Origanalist]

So you don't want to discuss the Confederacy and are only interested in questioning why I care. Again feel free to take part in the discussion.

I lurked and posted during the Ron Paul campaign because I was/am a big supporter of his. I'm entitled to an opinion on the matter of the Confederacy and why people still seek to defend it. As someone who loves history I happen to take particular interest in this discussion.

Any input?

This subject has been discussed over and over here. I'm more concerned with the people who consider the empire that resulted from the civil war morally superior to the confederacy than those that those that wish to remember it. Are the people who fly the flag demanding Maine take down the stars and stripes?

[osan]

Berlin c. 1945? This is the primary reason the S

Christ, horrifying.

....now, someone show me a photo of all the cities Robert E. Lee burned to the ground and opened to his soldiers for rape and slaughter.

(I won't hold my breath)


Southerners, even most of their lowest trash, were gentlemen, at least in terms in their basic manners. This in stark, glaring contrast to the low and mannerless northerner, again speaking to the mean. No southern officer would ever have allowed such a thing. Northern officers? I can see many northern officers, pragmatic scum that they appear to have been when compared with their southern counterparts, loosing their men upon the civilian populations in the same way that kings past routinely did to reward their troops for loyal action, no matter how appallingly criminal.

This is precisely why the South lost. It had less to do with industrial economic might than with adherence to principles of chivalry. Had the South been willing to lower themselves to the level of the northern scum, they would still have likely lost, but would have given the North a far greater beating. I confess being torn between the options.

[AuH20]

Our Tom Davis weighs in:

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/06/22/exclusive-conservative-south-carolina-state-senator-previews-plans-to-battle-establishment-push-to-rip-down-fla/


Senator Tom Davis, of Beaufort, says that “debate on the Confederate Battle Flag in the Senate it would likely take a minimum of two weeks, and perhaps longer,” and, considering Davis’ last cause (defeating a gas-tax increase), may actually take longer given the State Senate’s desire to give every member his or her own say. “This isn’t an issue where the State Senate will cut off debate in any sort of expedited manner,” says Davis. “There will be every effort made to ensure that senators will have every opportunity to say everything they want to say.”

I’ve talked to many a legislator regarding “the flag,” and they are saying 99% of the emails, snail mail, or phone calls they are getting, come from people who are not South Carolinians. They do not have a say in this matter. Much like what actually spurred on the Civil War, these people are coming in from a national level and telling South Carolina how to run its government—and, as it did then, it’s working.

[AuH20]

Glenn Beck steps in it again. Jesus...

http://www.breitbart.com/video/2015/06/22/beck-why-would-anyone-fly-confederate-flag-its-a-flag-of-another-country/

[Carlybee]

So you don't want to discuss the Confederacy and are only interested in questioning why I care. Again feel free to take part in the discussion.

I lurked and posted during the Ron Paul campaign because I was/am a big supporter of his. I'm entitled to an opinion on the matter of the Confederacy and why people still seek to defend it. As someone who loves history I happen to take particular interest in this discussion.

Any input?


The issue is not about supporting the Confederacy...which no longer exists. It's about the right of freedom of expression with regard to displaying a flag. Do you live in the south?

[AuH20]

Rand Paul joins the weak-kneed crowd since he is running for President.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2015/06/22/rand-paul-is-out-of-pocket/


"I think the flag is inescapably a symbol of human bondage and slavery," Paul said in a Tuesday morning radio interview with told host Jeff Kuhner on WKRO. "And particularly when people use it obviously for murder and to justify hatred so vicious that you would kill somebody, I think that that symbolism needs to end, and I think South Carolina is doing the right thing...

“Obviously it’s a decision for South Carolina to make, but if I were in South Carolina, that’s what I would vote to do, and that’s what I would recommend to anyone who asked me my opinion," he added. "...There have been people who used it for Southern pride and heritage and all of that, but really to I think to every African-American in the country it’s a symbolism of slavery to them and now it’s a symbol of murder for this young man and so I think it’s…time to put it in a museum.”

[Origanalist]

Rand Paul joins the weak-kneed crowd since he is running for President.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2015/06/22/rand-paul-is-out-of-pocket/


Update, 9:30 a.m. Tuesday: We have comment.

"I think the flag is inescapably a symbol of human bondage and slavery," Paul said in a Tuesday morning radio interview with told host Jeff Kuhner on WKRO. "And particularly when people use it obviously for murder and to justify hatred so vicious that you would kill somebody, I think that that symbolism needs to end, and I think South Carolina is doing the right thing...

“Obviously it’s a decision for South Carolina to make, but if I were in South Carolina, that’s what I would vote to do, and that’s what I would recommend to anyone who asked me my opinion," he added. "...There have been people who used it for Southern pride and heritage and all of that, but really to I think to every African-American in the country it’s a symbolism of slavery to them and now it’s a symbol of murder for this young man and so I think it’s…time to put it in a museum.”
///

[ChiefJustice]

The issue is not about supporting the Confederacy...which no longer exists. It's about the right of freedom of expression with regard to displaying a flag. Do you live in the south?

I don't believe I said that they didn't have the freedom to fly the flag. I merely said it should be taken down. I didn't say it should be forced.

[Carlybee]

I don't believe I said that they didn't have the freedom to fly the flag. I merely said it should be taken down. I didn't say it should be forced.

Yet sentiments like "should" quickly turn into "must" under mob rule and pretty soon the government ends up with yet more power to legislate free thought which some don't mind until it's their free thought that is being restricted.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHYIGy1dyd8

[Origanalist]

I don't believe I said that they didn't have the freedom to fly the flag. I merely said it should be taken down. I didn't say it should be forced.

Why do you feel you have a say in it? Are people from S.C. telling your State what flags you should fly?

[Warrior_of_Freedom]

bleh nevermind

[AuH20]

A Union General once asked a captured Confederate Private, "Why are you fighting?"

He replied, "Because you are here."

[AuH20]

These lowlifes will never stop. They already have their eyes on other targets.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/23/confederate-flag_n_7637868.html

[enhanced_deficit]

A Union General once asked a captured Confederate Private, "Why are you fighting?"

He replied, "Because you are here."

Wow, that response sounds very much like that of insurgents fighting US/UK Union forces that occupied Iraq. Difference being that defeating current insurgents has been far more difficult.

Meeting Resistance: New Doc Follows Iraqis Fighting U.S. Occupation of Their Country (http://www.democracynow.org/2007/10/18/meeting_resistance_new_doc_follows_iraqis)
AMY GOODMAN: What would you do if your country was invaded? Meeting Resistance is a new documentary on the Iraq war from a perspective few in the West have dared to adopt. It turns the spotlight on Iraqi men and women who choose to resist the military occupation of their country. The film takes us back to the first year of the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq and the beginnings of the insurgency in Iraq. This is how a young cleric interviewed in the film explains the roots of the insurgency.
IRAQI CLERIC: [translated] Suppose Iraq invaded America, and an Iraqi soldier was on a tank passing through an American street, waving his gun at the people, threatening them, raiding and trashing houses, would you accept that? This is why no Iraqi can accept the occupation. Don’t be surprised by their reactions. Their attitudes are normal.




Now a question, what was stance of former confederate states during US invasion/occupation of Iraq under false pretences (end result of which was election of Barack Hussein Obama)?

Seems like there are lot of hypocritical/self-serving idelogical positions to go around in recent US political history. Many parties in the "two-party system" of late have been morally wrong.

[AuH20]

Neocon Max Boot Wants It All Gone. He believes the North didn't do the job properly the first time.

https://www.commentarymagazine.com/2015/06/22/let-the-confederate-flag-come-down/


As important as the success that white supremacists had in inflicting violence was their success in gaining control of the narrative. Before long, much of the American population, and not only in the South, came to believe the myths of the Confederacy: That the South had superior culture and morals, that its manhood had fought and died for a glorious Lost Cause, and that the South was subsequently raped by corrupt and rapacious Northern “carpetbaggers” and their homegrown collaborators known as “scalawags.”

Recent historical research has shown that none of this was true: that newly installed Republican officeholders were no more corrupt than the secessionists they replaced, and many of them were idealistic and well-intentioned. And needless to say, the Southern cause was not at all glorious — the Confederate armies may have fought bravely and well, but they fought to preserve a way of life founded upon enslaving their fellow human beings.


The Confederate flag has quite rightly come under fire again after the appalling massacre carried out by a white supremacist in Charleston, South Carolina, who murdered nine church goers because they were black. It has become the politically correct stance to assert that the Confederate flag that continues to fly over the grounds of the South Carolina statehouse needs to come down. But just because a position is politically correct doesn’t mean it’s wrong. In this case, it’s right. Not only should the Confederate flag come down, but I believe it’s also time for Southern states to change place names in honor of traitors such as Jefferson Davis.

I know, I know: it’s a slippery slope that could eventually result in taking slaveholders such as George Washington off our currency or even renaming our national capital. But Washington, in spite of being a slaveholder, also helped to create this country as a bastion of freedom. The good he did far outweighed his deplorable participation in the slave-owning customs of his time and place. I can think of no similar redeeming virtues that can be claimed for the likes of Jefferson Davis who helped to plunge this country into a civil war that left as many as 800,000 dead in a fruitless quest to ensure that slavery would remain legal.

I believe it is a calumny to assert that the South of today is unchanged from the 1860s or 1960s. But the South needs to complete its transformation by finally jettisoning the remaining symbols of its dark past.

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[RonPaulFanInGA]

Governor can't remove flag, needs the legislature to approve it. Hope they tell Haley and Graham to pound sand.

[Sam I am]

Yet sentiments like "should" quickly turn into "must" under mob rule and pretty soon the government ends up with yet more power to legislate free thought which some don't mind until it's their free thought that is being restricted.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHYIGy1dyd8

God Forbid that the government has the power to take down a flag that the government itself put up

[AmericasLastHope]

No.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-j_iX9rNCtG4/VSQTXPpRcWI/AAAAAAAACAs/biZVkGAvgH8/s1600/Ron%2BPaul.jpg

[AuH20]

It's a full court press. Mike Florio?

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/06/22/the-rebellion-against-the-united-states-should-not-be-remembered-with-honor/


The fact that the symbol of the failed rebellion against the United States is still embraced in South Carolina and elsewhere sends the subtle yet distinct message that the rebellion wasn’t shameful, but honorable. Which sends the subtle yet distinct message that the ultimate reason for the rebellion — whether the abomination of slavery should continue — was also not shameful, but honorable.

Did you get that? Rebellion is shameful. Now get back to your cubicles and work harder.

[Carlybee]

God Forbid that the government has the power to take down a flag that the government itself put up

And I'm assuming there was an amendment somewhere to put it up written by a representative of the people. Could have been at the behest of a Civil War historical group but I highly doubt the government put it up for no reason. I guess next Civil War re-enactments will be banned.

[AuH20]

There can be no coexistence with these sort of people. Stock up accordingly. We simply want to be left alone, but they refuse to heed to our demands. And this refusal to let us be transcends the Civil War.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-e-price/yes-youre-a-racist----and-a-traitor_b_7640654.html


While I was out jogging this morning, I passed a neighbor's house that I have passed every day for almost three years. Usually I stroll right on by without giving it a second thought. Today, though... today was different. I stopped in my tracks and blankly stared until a car honked at me to move out of the way.

This house flies a Confederate flag.

I don't live in South Carolina or even Maryland. I live in a small town in Central Pennsylvania, 50 miles north of Gettysburg -- the site of the most famous victory of the Civil War. Yet even here, a few hundred feet from my front door flies the unambiguous symbol of hatred, racism and treason.

Normally, this would elicit some fleeting contempt and I would go about my day. But with the slayings in Charleston very much on my mind, I found myself getting angry... very angry.

Angry at this person, this "neighbor" of mine. Angry at the culture that permits such blatant hatred. Angry at the media who provide cover for the ignorant. Angry at the teachers who perpetuate historical falsehoods. Angry at myself for not being angry before.


Remember that time South Carolina attacked Fort Sumter? That's the literal definition of treason. And I quote Article III, Section 3 of the U.S. Constitution: "Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort." Not exactly abstract legalese that requires a ton of parsing.

The states that seceded to become the Confederacy were actively engaged in open war against the United States government. A war they started because of the election of a man they deemed "hostile to slavery." A war they fought to maintain the "heaven ordained supremacy of the white man over the inferior or colored race." A war they lost.

But it was a war based on a fundamental social conflict that is still not resolved and simmers under the zeitgeist, rearing its ugly head every so often to remind us it hasn't gone anywhere. It was not resolved in 1865, not in 1965, and sadly, not in 2015.

The "heritage" of the Confederacy, the enduring belief in Lost Cause romanticism, the invention and adoption of revisionist "traditions" and culture, has become society's Old Faithful: a cultural geyser that periodically lets off steam; a spectacle at which we ogle and wax poetic about the fragility of our condition. But one day it'll explode and it'll be a catastrophe from which we might not recover.

The tragedy of America is that this is all self-inflicted. This trajectory to self-destruction doesn't have to be the outcome. As Jon Stewart so eloquently pointed out, "Al Qaeda... ISIS... they're not shit on the damage we can apparently do to ourselves on a regular basis."

The troglodyte that killed those people in South Carolina wanted to fire the opening shots in a new race war. He is a Confederate in every sense of the word. He is a white supremacist. He is a terrorist. He is a traitor.

The worst part is that he is not some aberration. Oh, we want to comfort and assure ourselves that he is, that he has some mental issue, or that he's evil, or some other easy excuse that absolves us all of responsibility.

His actions were heinous, but he is the product of a media environment and culture that protects the ignorant and glorifies division. This is the "heritage" celebrated by those who fly the Confederate flag. By those like my neighbor.

And what about my neighbor? In a perfect world, I would ring his doorbell and have a reasonable discussion with him about how what he's doing is offensive and ahistoric and I'd love to correct his understanding of the entire mess. But the sad fact is, he's not alone, either.

In my time here I've seen scores of Confederate bumper stickers, license plates, and even other flags. Neo-Confederate revisionism is everywhere. It's not confined to "dumb rednecks" or red-state voters or Nascar fans or any other easy stereotype we use to deceive ourselves and dismiss painful realities. It's not even confined to older generations. The killer in South Carolina is 21. He's a Millennial. He's one of us.

And every day that we don't react to that information, every day we don't internalize this conflict, every day we tell ourselves nothing is wrong, every day we claim we can't be racist because we have black friends, every day we share some viral cat video instead of watch the news, every day we don't knock on our neighbor's door... is another day nothing will change.

[ChiefJustice]

It's a full court press. Mike Florio?

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/06/22/the-rebellion-against-the-united-states-should-not-be-remembered-with-honor/



Did you get that? Rebellion is shameful. Now get back to your cubicles and work harder.
There is nothing wrong with what Florio said. He said "the rebellion" is shameful, not "rebellion is shameful". Rebellion is fine for the correct reasons. When a state or region rebels over the fear that slavery will be eventually extinguished by the incoming President then it can certainly be perceived as shameful.

[phill4paul]

The plague of political correctness (a.k.a. Federalism) spreads to other states....

http://www.newsobserver.com/news/local/counties/wake-county/1b9avb/picture25362997/ALTERNATES/FREE_960/confederateflagplate.jpg


With the Confederate flag under new scrutiny in states across the South, a spokesman for Gov. Pat McCrory said Tuesday that North Carolina should stop issuing license plates with the flag on them.

“The time is right to change this policy due to the recent Supreme Court ruling and the tragedy in Charleston,” said Josh Ellis, the governor’s communications director.

Read more here: http://www.newsobserver.com/news/local/counties/wake-county/article25342333.html#storylink=cpy

This is a coordinated full on push folks. Don't e fooled.

[69360]

I find it very interesting that all the PC liberals have their panties in a bunch over a flag rather than trying to figure out how society failed this kid so badly that he committed mass murder.

[Thaddaeus]

I find it very interesting that all the PC liberals have their panties in a bunch over a flag rather than trying to figure out how society failed this kid so badly that he committed mass murder.

I think that's the idea. It's comforting to believe they can solve a big, intractable problem by focusing on some highly visible element that can be CONNECTED to it, at least in the imagination of the public.

[Tywysog Cymru]

I find it very interesting that all the PC liberals have their panties in a bunch over a flag rather than trying to figure out how society failed this kid so badly that he committed mass murder.

Don't blame society for the actions of an individual.

[69360]

Don't blame society for the actions of an individual.

I mostly do. We load these kids up with SSRI drugs and let them be exposed to so much violence they are immune to it.

You just didn't see things like this happen in the past.

We've all failed when these mass shootings happen so often people barely even notice anymore.

[tod evans]

I mostly do. We load these kids up with SSRI drugs and let them be exposed to so much violence they are immune to it.

You just didn't see things like this happen in the past.

We've all failed when these mass shootings happen so often people barely even notice anymore.

I disagree with this part......

Kids in years gone by were much closer to nature and their food than today's kids, they learned young how to kill to eat and how inhumane it was to wound.

Real "violence" was part of daily life for at least half the population, fist fights were a normal part of growing up male not "behavioral issues" that needed medication and counseling...

This is the new and improved urbanized/digitized America that's policy is being set by those who know what's best.....

[Thaddaeus]

Today Governor Robert Bentley ordered flags at a Confederate monument near the state capitol building to be taken down. Sayeth he, "This had the potential to become a major distraction as we go forward. I have taxes to raise, we have work to do. "*

Last night I imagined this would be coming, and hoped to go to the capitol on Saturday to take photos of the monument in all its beflagged glory before the PC battalions rolled in. The blitzkrieg is faster than even my fears.


*http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2015/06/confederate_flag_removed_from.html

[r3volution 3.0]

Today Governor Robert Bentley ordered flags at a Confederate monument near the state capitol building to be taken down. Sayeth he, "This had the potential to become a major distraction as we go forward. I have taxes to raise, we have work to do. "*

Given that the tax raising predilections of certain cunt politicians was the reason for secession in the first place, I have to wonder if he's just fucking with us at this point.

[ThePaleoLibertarian]

For the Confederacy! Conquer peace for Dixie!

http://www.patriotic-flags.com/images/Pirate/confederateflagwsnake.JPG

http://media.npr.org/assets/img/2015/06/22/ap00070101626-4e5f8a1b40df73b275344fc3a1eb39e031d5186a-s800-c15.jpg

http://confederatemuseumandlibrary.org/camp36/CSA%20flags.jpg

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[AuH20]

Great video entry...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTWi5GefKYc

[Carlybee]

Now there are calls for "Gone with the Wind" to be banned. Hope all the tards who think that one little flag coming down will enjoy the domino effect.

[Root]

I haven't really been following this topic, but has anyone actually submitted a bill to ban the confederate battle flag yet?

[tod evans]

I haven't really been following this topic, but has anyone actually submitted a bill to ban the confederate battle flag yet?

Look for it.....

Throwing a bone like anti-flag legislation is much more palatable to the federal beast than reigning in its jackboots...

[wizardwatson]

7:57 6/25/15
‏@BYHISGRACE64: @trueblacknews Actually schools, bridges, buildings shouldn't be named after Slave owner

Perhaps we should throw away the Declaration of Independence since Jefferson was a slave owner.

Oh, wait. Maybe we should actually lynch all the blacks because Egypt enslaved the Jews for 400 years.

The Zombie Apocalypse has begun. Just hate-filled logic-lacking walking spiritual corpses.

[Warrior_of_Freedom]

7:57 6/25/15
‏@BYHISGRACE64: @trueblacknews Actually schools, bridges, buildings shouldn't be named after Slave owner

Perhaps we should throw away the Declaration of Independence since Jefferson was a slave owner.

Oh, wait. Maybe we should actually lynch all the blacks because Egypt enslaved the Jews for 400 years.

The Zombie Apocalypse has begun. Just hate-filled logic-lacking walking spiritual corpses.

you forgot about the barbary slave trade

[enhanced_deficit]

Is Tea Party taking a stance on this SC flag issue?



News from past :


MSNBC’s Irin Carmon: Confederate Flag at Tea Party Protest Represents ‘Threat’ to Obama

by Noah Rothman | 5:46 pm, October 14th, 2013

http://static01.mediaite.com/med/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/CArmon.jpgMSNBC contributor and columnist Irin Carmon appeared on MSNBC with Martin Bashir on Monday where she said that the person who brought a Confederate flag to a tea party protest in Washington D.C. over the weekend may have been trying to threaten President Barack Obama.

“What exactly is the message that they’re seeking to send the president?” Bashir asked of the individual who brought a Confederate flag to this weekend’s protests in front of the White House.
“To me, this is a threat,” Carmon replied.
“This is a house where a black family lives,” she continued. “This is a symbol that is nostalgic for a time when black people were subjugated and enslaved.”

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/msnbcs-irin-carmon-confederate-flag-at-tea-party-protest-represents-threat-to-obama/

[AuH20]

So funny and appropriate in these dark days..............OMG.

https://westernrifleshooters.files.wordpress.com/2015/06/asouthcake.jpg

[heavenlyboy34]

I mostly do. We load these kids up with SSRI drugs and let them be exposed to so much violence they are immune to it.

You just didn't see things like this happen in the past.

We've all failed when these mass shootings happen so often people barely even notice anymore.

It makes much more sense to blame specific institutions (especially those directly involved in the kid's everyday life) like the gov'ment skools and medical industries than a meaningless abstraction like "society".

[acptulsa]

I'm at a loss why South Carolina flies the Virginia flag anyway.

What's the matter with flying their own army's flag? How does that not make more sense?

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a0/South_Carolina_Sovereignty-Secession_Flag.svg

Are they afraid if they fly a flag with a crescent on it, their state capitol building will get droned?

[tod evans]

I put this in the wrong thread;


From Drudge;




Brawl Breaks Out In Front Of South Carolina Statehouse Over Confederate Flag

http://atlanta.cbslocal.com/2015/06/30/south-carolina-confederate-flag-brawl/


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIlIcwubZkw

One man has been arrested after a fight over the Confederate flag in front of the South Carolina Statehouse.
The brawl started about 7:15 p.m. Monday when about a dozen vehicles with Confederate flag supporters pulled up in front of the Statehouse and stopped in the middle of the street, Public Safety Department spokeswoman Sherri Iacobelli said in a statement.
About 10 of the flag supporters clashed with about 30 people who were on the Statehouse grounds protesting the flag, the statement said.
“The blood on my face, the blood in my teeth, the blood on my hands is no comparison to the Southern blood that runs through my veins,” Joe Linder told CBS News.
Linder, who was hit during the fight, supports the Confederate flag and says “racism has no part” in it.
“I’m gonna tell you one thing, I ain’t sitting down; this’ll just make me walk taller,” he told CBS News.
About 50 officers responded and contained the clash, including officers from the Bureau of Protective Services assigned to the Statehouse, as well as Columbia police, University of South Carolina officers and the South Carolina Highway Patrol.
Two blocks of the street in front of the Statehouse was closed for a brief time during the disturbance.
Sydney Baldwin told CBS News the fight began when someone took his flag.
“I jumped out of my truck,” Baldwin said. “That was all I did, was grab my flag and I got hit in the side.”
Nicholas Thompson, 25, of Irmo, South Carolina, has been charged with disorderly conduct. It wasn’t clear if he has an attorney.
The Confederate flag has been a focus of protests since the fatal shooting of nine people at a historic black church in Charleston on June 17.
Public Safety Director Leroy Smith told reporters it was unfortunate that Columbia had a fight when there have been no problems reported in Charleston, where the shooting occurred.
The suspect in the Charleston shooting, Dylann Storm Roof, appears in a number of photographs online with the Confederate flag, prompting calls for removal of the flag from in front of the Statehouse.
South Carolina lawmakers are expected next week to consider proposals to take the flag down and move it to a museum.
The flag has flown at the Statehouse since the 1960s. It was removed from the Statehouse dome and placed at a Confederate Soldier Monument in front of the Statehouse in 2000.

[kahless]

...

Nikkei Hailey has blood on here hands. She is cause of all this not Dylan Roof.

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

So you don't want to discuss the Confederacy and are only interested in questioning why I care. Again feel free to take part in the discussion.




Hey, do you know what's funny, chief? I've encountered paid trolls from https://www.opensocietyfoundations.org/ on two forums I visit. They use this EXACT same technique.

Whenever they're asked about their motivations for posting or caring--they always plea for the questioning party to go back to "the discussion." It happens right here with our very own paid trolls! And now you said it, too! What a coincidence, huh?