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johnwk
06-10-2015, 03:58 PM
Today on the Sean Hannity show while Jamie Dupree was on and talking about Fast Track Trade Promotion Authority and the Trans-Pacific Partnership deal cooked up by Obama with a number of foreign nations, he assured Sean to not be worried about the deal because Congress gets to vote on it before it can become law. And Jamie repeatedly pointed this out.

What Jamie Dupree did not say is, if Fast Track Trade Authority passes the House, then the Trans-Pacific Partnership deal cooked up by Obama with a number of foreign nations will not need the constitutionally required two thirds vote threshold for approval as our Constitution commands for any deals the president consummates with foreign powers! Fast Track unconstitutionally lowers the two thirds vote threshold needed to a simple majority vote. And this is an irrefutable violation of our founders clear intentions requiring a two thirds vote to approve any deals our president cooks up with foreign countries!

And why did our wise founding fathers require a two-thirds vote? Hamilton explains why in Federalist No. 75 with respect to the President’s treaty making authority. Hamilton points out the President was not granted an arbitrary power to make “CONTRACTS with foreign nations, which have the force of law” because he:

“might sometimes be under temptations to sacrifice his duty to his interest, which it would require superlative virtue to withstand. An avaricious man might be tempted to betray the interests of the state to the acquisition of wealth. An ambitious man might make his own aggrandizement, by the aid of a foreign power, the price of his treachery to his constituents. The history of human conduct does not warrant that exalted opinion of human virtue which would make it wise in a nation to commit interests of so delicate and momentous a kind, as those which concern its intercourse with the rest of the world, to the sole disposal of a magistrate created and circumstanced as would be a President of the United States.”

In the end, our founders agreed to allow the president to negotiate deals with foreign nations, but only with the constitutional requirement that such deals consummated with foreign countries would not have the force of law unless approved by a two thirds vote in the Senate.

I’m not sure if Jamie Dupree overlooked this critical requirement when discussing FTTPA and the TPP with Sean Hannity, but the facts are what they are and the Fast Track Trade Promotion Authority Bill, having lowered the vote threshold to a simple majority for a deal cooked up by the president with foreign nations is an irrefutable violation of our founders expressed language, not to mention that it is intentionally designed to circumvent Congress’ exclusive power to regulate commerce with foreign nations, and violates our Constitution’s separation of powers. In fact, it is designed to do exactly what our founders forbid in crystal clear language.

JWK



The accumulation of all powers, legislative, executive, and judiciary, in the same hands, whether of one, a few, or many, and whether hereditary, self-appointed, or elective, may justly be pronounced the very definition of tyranny. ___ Madison, Federalist Paper No. 47

satchelmcqueen
06-10-2015, 05:51 PM
dupree overlooks a lot of things.

johnwk
06-11-2015, 05:50 AM
Our founder's intentions were very clear about requiring a two thirds vote to approve any deals cooked up by the president with foreign nations. I was very surprised that Jamie Dupree repeatedly emphasized Congress gets to vote on the deal cooked up by Obama with foreign nations without mentioning the vote under Fast Track gets lowered to a majority vote, which is contrary to our founders intentions as explicitly stated in Federalist No. 75 (http://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/fed75.asp)


This whole push for Fast Track Trade Promotion Authority being granted to the president, and lowering the two thirds vote for deals with foreign nations to a simple majority vote, is being pushed by the supporters of our Global Governance Crowd.

And if one does not believe there is a one world global governance crowd, check out the Council on Foreign Relations Global Governance Page: International Institutions and Global Governance: World Order in the 21st Century (http://www.cfr.org/project/1369/international_institutions_and_global_governance.h tml)

Also, check out the Council on Foreign Relations’ Membership Roster

Council on Foreign Relations’ Membership Roster (http://www.cfr.org/about/membership/roster.html?letter=C)

Chelsea Clinton
William J. Clinton


This push for Fast Track has nothing to do with free trade nor is it a "conservative" idea. It is an attack upon our representative system of government and intended to remove the States and People's representatives from preforming their legislative functions with regard to the making of laws regulating commerce with foreign nations. Those legislative functions include drawing up a Bill, debating that Bill, make amendments to the Bill to insure the people's interests and best interests of the States are attended to, and then sending that Bill to the President for his signature or veto. Instead, Fast Track Authority is intended to have the President exercise Congress' legislative functions while leaving Congress with the President's veto power. Every Republican who votes for this nefarious attack upon our representative system of government needs to be punished ___ no punishment to be left off the table!

JWK


" I believe that there are more instances of the abridgement of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachment of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations." ___ Madison Elliot`s Debates, vol. III, page 87 (http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage?collId=lled&fileName=003/lled003.db&recNum=98&itemLink)

johnwk
06-11-2015, 03:17 PM
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Fox News is running an ad promoting Fast Track Trade Promotion Authority as being a conservative idea to advance free trade. The truth is, FTTPA is not a “conservative” idea nor is it about “free trade”. It’s about creating a managed trade, managed by a group unelected by the American People who represent the interests of international corporate giants who have no allegiance to America or any nation, and a majority of whom are foreigners!

This crap started with the NAFTA, and for the proof of what I have just stated above see Establishment of Binational Panels (http://www.sice.oas.org/trade/nafta/chap-192.asp#An1901.2) which were created under the NAFTA, and who now regulate America's commerce with foreign nations instead of Congress [the States and People’s elected representatives] as mandated by our Constitution.

Fast Track Trade Authority is to enhance the above “managed trade”, which is not managed by the Congress of the United States [the States and People’s representatives] who have exclusive power to regulate commerce with foreign nations. Fast Track Trade Promotion Authority is a proposal to circumvent Congress’ exclusive power to regulate commerce with foreign nations, and have internationalists dictate the rules for America’s commerce with foreign nations.

JWK



To support Jeb Bush is to support our Global Governance crowd and their WTO, NAFTA, GATT, and CAFTA, all used to circumvent America First trade policies, while fattening the fortunes of international corporate giants who have no allegiance to America or any nation.

johnwk
06-11-2015, 05:30 PM
It’sinfuriating how our folks in Washington, and this includes their accomplicesover at the Cato Institute, how they attempt to change the definition of wordsand phrases which appear in our Constitution as they were understood during thetime our Constitution was framed and ratified, in order to accomplish theirevil ends!

Of course, this deceptive tactic violates a fundamental rule of constitutionalconstruction. With regard to the language of the constitution see:

16 Am Jur 2d Constitutional law
Meaning of Language
Ordinary meaning, generally


”Words or terms used in a constitution, being dependent on ratificationby the people voting upon it, must be understood in the sense most obvious tothe common understanding at the time of its adoption…”__ (myemphasis)


Now, what is meant by a “treaty” as expressed by our Founders?


In Federalist No. 64 (http://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/fed64.asp) Jay defines a treaty as a“bargain” . He writes:

”These gentlemen would do well to reflect that a treaty is only anothername for a bargain, and that it would be impossible to find a nation who wouldmake any bargain with us, which should be binding on them ABSOLUTELY, but on usonly so long and so far as we may think proper to be bound by it.”


And in Federalist No. 75 (http://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/fed75.asp)Hamilton tells us with reference to a treaty, Its objects are CONTRACTSwith foreign nations, which have the force of law…”

Finally, In Federalist No. 22 (http://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/fed22.asp)Hamilton talks about “a treaty of commerce” as follows:

”A nation, with which we might have a treaty of commerce, could with muchgreater facility prevent our forming a connection with her competitor in trade,though such a connection should be ever so beneficial to ourselves.”

The irrefutable fact is, the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) Free TradeAgreement falls within the meaning of a treaty as the word was used andunderstood by our founding fathers, and as such, requires a two thirds vote tobecome an enforceable contract, or bargain with the nations involved. So why dothe proponents of the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) Free Trade Agreement, andthis includes the snakes at the Cato Institute, pretend it is not a treaty? Theobvious answer is, to avoid having to bribe a two thirds vote to accomplishtheir evil doings!


And if you think bribery is not taking place on this issue, here is theevidence that members of our Senate have sold their vote!

See:Corporations shell out $1.2mn inSenate contributions to fast-track TPP (http://rt.com/usa/262553-corporations-millions-senate-campaigns/)

“What the documents showed was that out of a total of nearly $1.2 milliongiven, an average of $17,000 was donated to each of the 65 “yes” votes.Republicans received an average of $19,000 and Democrats received $9,700.

“It’s a rare thing for members of Congress to go against the money thesedays,” Mansur Gidfar, spokesman for the anti-corruption group Represent.Us,told the Guardian. “They know exactly which special interests they need to keephappy if they want to fund their re-election campaigns or secure a future jobas a lobbyist.”

And, here is a list of dirt bag traitorous Republican Senators who voted tocircumvent our representative system of government and allow the president tousurp Congress' legislative functions:

Alexander, Tenn.; Ayotte, N.H.; Barrasso, Wyo.; Blunt, Mo.; Boozman, Ark.;Burr, N.C.; Capito, W.V.; Cassidy, La.; Coats, Ind.; Cochran, Miss.; Corker,Tenn.; Cornyn, Texas; Cotton, Ark.; Crapo, Idaho; Cruz, Texas;Daines, Mont.; Ernst, Iowa; Fischer, Neb.; Flake, Ariz.; Gardner, Colo.;Graham, S.C.; Grassley, Iowa; Hatch, Utah; Heller, Nev.; Hoeven, N.D.; Inhofe,Okla.; Isakson, Ga.; Johnson, Wis.; Kirk, Ill.; Lankford, Okla.; McCain, Ariz.;McConnell, Ky.; Moran, Kan.; Murkowski, Alaska; Perdue, Ga.; Portman, Ohio;Risch, Idaho; Roberts, Kan.; Rounds, S.D.; Rubio, Fla.; Sasse, Neb.;Scott, S.C.; Sullivan, Alaska; Thune, S.D.; Tillis, N.C.; Toomey, Pa.; Vitter,La.; Wicker, Miss.

JWK


" I believe that there are more instances of the abridgement of thefreedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachment of those in power thanby violent and sudden usurpations." ___ Madison Elliot`s Debates, vol. III, page 87 (http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage?collId=lled&fileName=003/lled003.db&recNum=98&itemLink)