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Patriot212
06-03-2015, 08:32 PM
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Greg Gutfeld’s disgraceful (and factually incorrect) attack on Rand Paul

Fox News’ The Five discussed NSA spying and Rand Paul yesterday, and while some of the discussion was productive, self-described “libertarian” Greg Gutfeld wasn’t buying any of Paul’s arguments while leveling some incendiary charges at the Kentucky senator.

“The worst thing about Rand Paul, what makes him despicable, is saying that Republicans want a terrorist attack so they can blame him,” Gutfeld exclaimed. He then said believes that Paul is trying to play the victim in this situation rather than acknowledging the victims of terrorism. Gutfeld called Paul a “fool” for the use of such rhetoric.
However, further into the quote Gutfeld cites, you find that Paul’s suspicions may be grounded in reality rather than some complex of self-victimization. During Sunday’s debates over the reauthorization of the Patriot Act, Paul explained that some have asked if he would feel responsible if there was an attack after the lapse of these programs.

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TaftFan
06-03-2015, 09:23 PM
He believes in letting people live how they choose, but he doesn't seem to think spying on them contradicts that principle. He is wrong.

I like the guy, but he doesn't get the philosophy of liberty.

Peace&Freedom
06-03-2015, 10:35 PM
For somebody passing himself off as the suave "humorist" of the Five, Gutfield's commentaries are angry and intolerant. It's usually "I can't stand this guy" this, or "what makes these people out to lunch is" that, etc.

Cap
06-04-2015, 05:49 AM
He must have attended the Glenn Beck school of libertarianism.

kahless
06-04-2015, 06:42 AM
He must have attended the Glenn Beck school of libertarianism.

Beck may not be Libertarian but he does have a number of Libertarian beliefs. Compared to Gutfeld however he is a hard core Libertarian.

Fascist is a frequently misused term however I debate whether it may apply to Gutfeld's political ideology when I am deciding whether he is a Neoconservative or not. Unlike other personalities and politicians that fall short promoting such beliefs Gutfeld is able to pull it off with his humor and wit.

Valli6
06-04-2015, 08:16 AM
He must have attended the Glenn Beck school of libertarianism.
That sums it up. He claims he doesn't care if people smoke pot, but you will never hear him talking about repealing any laws. He thinks this one stance makes him "libertarian" even though he supports all neocon policies. During the upcoming election cycle, he will be performing Glenn Beck's old role of pied piper to confused fools, who want to pretend they are into this new "libertarian" thing, while still demanding GW Bush's big-government, foreign policy. :rolleyes:

presence
06-04-2015, 08:40 AM
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Fox News’ The Five discussed NSA spying and Rand Paul yesterday, and while some of the discussion was productive, self-described “libertarian” Greg Gutfeld wasn’t buying any of Paul’s arguments while leveling some incendiary charges at the Kentucky senator.
“The worst thing about Rand Paul, what makes him despicable, is saying that Republicans want a terrorist attack so they can blame him,” Gutfeld exclaimed. He then said believes that Paul is trying to play the victim in this situation rather than acknowledging the victims of terrorism. Gutfeld called Paul a “fool” for the use of such rhetoric.
However, further into the quote Gutfeld cites, you find that Paul’s suspicions may be grounded in reality rather than some complex of self-victimization. During Sunday’s debates over the reauthorization of the Patriot Act, Paul explained (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrF50q08PoU) that some have asked if he would feel responsible if there was an attack after the lapse of these programs.
“Some of them I think secretly want there to be an attack on the United States so they can blame it on me. One of the people in the media the other day came up to me and said, oh, when there’s a great attack aren’t you going to feel guilty you caused this attack?

So the ones who say when an attack occurs it’s going to be all your fault, are any of them willing to accept the blame, we have bulk collection now, are any of them willing to accept the blame for the Boston bombing, for the recent shooting in Garland?

No, but they’ll be the first to point fingers and say, oh, yeah it’s all your fault, we never should have given up on this great program.”

As the quote shows, this was not some attempt to self-victimize, but rather to explain the logic of those who would blame privacy advocates for terrorist attacks.
As the discussion continued Dana Perino and Kimberly Guilfoyle agreed with Gutfeld until Eric Bolling and Geraldo Rivera stepped in and challenged the panel on their assertions. Both Bolling and Rivera commended Paul for his efforts and vehemently pushed back on the notion that these NSA programs are, in fact, necessary.
“If you’re pinging on something, you see a connection, go after it,” Bolling began. “I would simply say that allowing the government to blanketly say out loud ‘we’ll take anything we want, anytime we want, as many as we want’ without a specific warrant I would say that is the violation of the Fourth Amendment and the Constitution.”
After all was said and done, Rivera had the lynchpin point on whether this program has been effective or not.
“You can couch it in all the patriotism and the rhetoric you want, but the fact of the matter is where the rubber meets the road, this has not yielded one terrorist yet.”



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kahless
06-04-2015, 08:56 AM
That sums it up. He claims he doesn't care if people smoke pot, but you will never hear him talking about repealing any laws. He thinks this one stance makes him "libertarian" even though he supports all neocon policies. During the upcoming election cycle, he will be performing Glenn Beck's old role of pied piper to confused fools, who want to pretend they are into this new "libertarian" thing, while still demanding GW Bush's big-government, foreign policy. :rolleyes:

Libertarian philosophy and claiming to have some Libertarian beliefs has some new gained popularity particularly with young people. It is likely you will hear Neocons like Gutfeld throw the term around about themselves while bashing Rand in hopes to corral the ignorant and dissuade them from looking at Rand.

Ronin Truth
06-04-2015, 09:06 AM
Capital L, who cares? :p

JK/SEA
06-04-2015, 12:07 PM
part of me thinks Gutfeld is just confused, but he seems like a smart guy, so the other part of me thinks he's getting paid to be a MIC mouth piece. Nothing more, nothing less.

osan
06-04-2015, 08:30 PM
He believes in letting people live how they choose, but he doesn't seem to think spying on them contradicts that principle. He is wrong.

I like the guy, but he doesn't get the philosophy of liberty.

Kind of similar to liking Stalin.

As for myself, I'd just slap him around a little just because I can. :)