Rick Santorum Slams Rand Paul on ISIS: 'I'd Expect to Hear That From Maybe Bernie Sanders

[William Tell]

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Rick Santorum Slams Rand Paul on ISIS: 'I'd Expect to Hear That From Maybe Bernie Sanders'


Newly-minted presidential candidate Rick Santorum (http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/rick-santorum-announcing-run-president/story?id=31332366) today slammed fellow 2016 hopeful Rand Paul (http://abcnews.go.com/topics/news/us/rand-paul.htm), who said he blames Republican hawks for the rise of terrorist group ISIS.

“I think that is just fundamentally a misunderstanding of the nature of the enemy we face,” Santorum said in an exclusive interview with ABC News’ Chief Anchor George Stephanopoulos.

“ISIS didn't come about because of ... the arms that America left behind. ISIS came about because they hate everything that we believe in and we stand for,” Santorum added. “I think the idea that we accept now that this tripe from the left that it’s our fault that ISIS exists -- go back to the thousand-year history of Muslim expansionism, and look at some of the horrible things that were done to spread radical Islam. That is not something that America had anything to do with.”

On MSNBC’s “Morning Joe” (http://www.msnbc.com/morning-joe/watch/rand-paul-im-asking-republicans-hard-questions-452151363572), Sen. Paul asserted GOP hawks “created” ISIS.
“ISIS exists and grew stronger because of the hawks in our party who gave arms indiscriminately,” he said. “They created these people.”


But Santorum, who touted his national security credentials, took issue with Paul’s comment.
“I would expect to hear that from maybe Bernie Sanders (http://abcnews.go.com/topics/news/us/bernie-sanders.htm). I don't expect to hear that from someone running for the Republican nomination,” Santorum told Stephanopoulos.



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[SilentBull]

Poor guy craves attention.

[Sam I am]

These Republicans are writing Rand's USP for him. They're making it very clear where the ideological divide is.

This might work in Rand's favor if there is a critical mass of non war-hawks among the Republican base.

[philipped]

LMAO He's thirsty for a poll bump is all. Let em keep swinging, it'll be from the other stage anyway.

[01000110]

Wow, they are all lining up and taking their shots at Rand.

All I can say about Santorum is ... ewwwww.

[fisharmor]

Everytime he opens his stupid mouth I remember this bit.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbVqzZ5dOIY

[luctor-et-emergo]

Rule #1, Always attack upwards. You know who's leading here. ;)

[RonPaul4Prez2012]

Bernie Sanders is a smart guy. A socialist, but a smart guy.

[rich34]

Rule #1, Always attack upwards. You know who's leading here. ;)

Sure this is true but when Rand starts getting asked about this repeatedly he dont have to mention names, simply that he is the only one that introduced a bill to deal with situation while everyone else just sat back and twiddeled their thumbs. Actually it just occurred to me that maybe thats why Rand choose the words he did because he's leading them right into a trap when he does come out and remind everyone that he was the only one to try and deal with the issue. In fact I wouldnt be suprised to see Rand reintroduce the bill along with the stand with Israel by defunding their enemies bill. They are gonna feel pretty stupid when they realize they just got played..

[idiom]

“I think the idea that we accept now that this tripe from the left that it’s our fault that ISIS exists -- go back to the thousand-year history of Muslim expansionism, and look at some of the horrible things that were done to spread radical Islam. That is not something that America had anything to do with.”

Holy shit. Santorum once again with the most coherent historically grounded counter-argument of anyone.

Problem with it, Islam petered out due to internal corruption in the early 1900's. The US assault has galvanized a force that had nearly gone extinct.

I think this is an argument worth countering. Have a debate about actual Islam and the nature of it. Most don't know that Islam continuously assaulted the west for 1400 years and destroyed a lot of great civilisation, creating the dark ages.

[Foreigner]

Most don't know that Islam continuously assaulted the west for 1400 years and destroyed a lot of great civilisation, creating the dark ages.

That's as far from the truth as you can come. The dark ages where upon Europe long before Islam was created. Both before and after Islam, large civilizations with huge cities continued to persist in the Middle East. The Arabs and Persians preserved the vast human knowledge acquired during antiquity, and added to it with own experimentation and infusions of ideas from Asia. This knowledge again rapidly spread throughout Europe, once Italian mercantile states opened their minds enough to disregard some of the strict thought-restrictions of the papacy, and applied it to their benefit. The renaissance means 'rediscovery', why? Because they rediscovered vital insights of thought and technology that had been lost from them since the the Roman era.

As for Muslims fighting Christians. Yes it happened. However, there was way more infighting between the Muslims, and between the Christians. Why? Because very few wars are fought over religion. Most are over access to land, resources or simply just power. Sometimes war over land and resources are re-branded as a religious war, however, to better mobilize the population and neighboring states to join in.

I don't expect most people to know this, but if you are going to post something about it, would you not check first?

[RabbitMan]

Holy shit. Santorum once again with the most coherent historically grounded counter-argument of anyone.

Problem with it, Islam petered out due to internal corruption in the early 1900's. The US assault has galvanized a force that had nearly gone extinct.

I think this is an argument worth countering. Have a debate about actual Islam and the nature of it. Most don't know that Islam continuously assaulted the west for 1400 years and destroyed a lot of great civilisation, creating the dark ages.

Are you referring to the expansion of Islam that peaked in the 900sAD and then to the rise and decline of the Ottoman Empire? Because those are two completely different things. And as the other poster mentioned, the Muslim world is responsible almost exclusively (not even partially but almost 100%) for retaining the knowledge and academia from the age of Antiquity.

To borrow a phrase, "most don't know" the history of Islam. Then again, most people don't know the history of subjects that are of no concern to them, so it isn't really a big deal.

[FSP-Rebel]

Rick is competing w/ Huck for his parcel of the GOP electorate so this is a win overall. They're competing together w/ Cruz, Carson and a few others to snag the entire bunch and Rand is flying high in all these interviews lately. Rand is that big time 2nd supporting candidate for these types just to let Jeb fall on hard along w/ Rubio on their war hawk knives.

[DevilsAdvocate]

The unelectable zealot who wants to "bomb Iran into the stone age" disapproves or Rand Paul? Oh no! The horror!

[Spikender]

The first stage is denial.

Problem is, Sanatorium and his ilk are stuck in the first stage and refuse to budge.

[anaconda]

Bernie Sanders is a smart guy. A socialist, but a smart guy.

And a banker puppet that screwed the 99% on behalf of his 1% overlords with his May, 2011 amendment to the Dodd-Frank bill that gutted the transparent Federal Reserve audit passed in the house.

[anaconda]

The unelectable zealot who wants to "bomb Iran into the stone age" disapproves or Rand Paul? Oh no! The horror!

On the other hand, he did carry eleven states and over 20% of the primary vote.

[Foreigner]

These comments on Rand are too weak sauced to be added to his list of golden comments. Some of Rick Santorum's better moments:

"Ron Paul is disgusting"

"You know, Mitt [Romney], I don't want to go to a trade war, I want to beat China, I want to go to war with China."

"The right to privacy … doesn’t exist in my opinion in the United States Constitution, this right that was created - [by contraception activists] - this freedom actually intervenes and affects the family... it destroys the basic unit of our society because it condones behavior that’s antithetical to strong healthy families. Whether it’s polygamy, whether it’s adultery, where it’s sodomy..."

"What we’re talking about, basically, is priests who were having sexual relations with post-pubescent men. We’re not talking about priests with 3-year-olds, or 5-year-olds. We’re talking about a basic homosexual relationship" - Santorum defending pedofile catholic priests.

[RonPaulFanInGA]

This clown peaked in 2012. With Huckabee around, he offers absolutely nothing. Furthermore, despite Santorum's performance in 2012, he's polling extremely poorly in Iowa and nationally. Nobody cares about this cad.

[Mr.NoSmile]

Sheesh. All this ganging up on Paul, you'd think he was in the lead or something.

[RonPaulFanInGA]

Sheesh. All this ganging up on Paul, you'd think he was in the lead or something.

Yep, in just the past few days, Paul has been attacked by Larry, Curly, Moe and Shemp...er, sorry...Christie, Graham, Jindal and Santorum.

[LatinsforPaul]

Santorum's only function is to split the evangelical vote.

[JohnGalt23g]

Well, I bet Bernie Sanders demonstrated sufficient wisdom to vote against the Iraq War. Something Frothington cannot say...

[wizardwatson]

First they ignore you.
Then they laugh at you.
Then they fight you.
Then you post that one Gandhi quote about them ignoring you.
Then you ultimately lose the election because of lack of funds and moral backbone in the electorate.

[65fastback2+2]

Bernie Sanders is a smart guy. A socialist, but a smart guy.

i never consider anyone that cant figure out the basics of how money works to be a "smart guy".

[EBounding]

"ISIS didn't come about because of ... the arms that America left behind."

Interesting. Then where did they get all those American weapons?

[65fastback2+2]

"ISIS didn't come about because of ... the arms that America left behind."

Interesting. Then where did they get all those American weapons?

he is trying to say ISIS would exist without weapons. Except, they wouldnt because they were the minority and the state they were fighting against would have beat them down without weapons.

[hells_unicorn]

Santorum my friends, Santorum is spreading! The bad part is, most people have their sense of smell in tact.

Yuck!!! :eek:

[Dianne]

I'm sure FOX will be playing that most of the day. They seem to love Frothy.

[AuH20]

Santorum is the worst. A fake:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Dvq1V4X_RM

[JohnGalt1225]

Holy shit. Santorum once again with the most coherent historically grounded counter-argument of anyone.

Problem with it, Islam petered out due to internal corruption in the early 1900's. The US assault has galvanized a force that had nearly gone extinct.

I think this is an argument worth countering. Have a debate about actual Islam and the nature of it. Most don't know that Islam continuously assaulted the west for 1400 years and destroyed a lot of great civilisation, creating the dark ages.
Completely agree with this.

[JohnGalt1225]

I also love Santorum trotting out the mid-2000's idea of "they hate us for our freedoms!"

[nikcers]

Lets point out the fact that Rick Santorum wouldn't win the presidency if all the democrats stayed home.

[idiom]

That's as far from the truth as you can come. The dark ages where upon Europe long before Islam was created. Both before and after Islam, large civilizations with huge cities continued to persist in the Middle East. The Arabs and Persians preserved the vast human knowledge acquired during antiquity, and added to it with own experimentation and infusions of ideas from Asia. This knowledge again rapidly spread throughout Europe, once Italian mercantile states opened their minds enough to disregard some of the strict thought-restrictions of the papacy, and applied it to their benefit. The renaissance means 'rediscovery', why? Because they rediscovered vital insights of thought and technology that had been lost from them since the the Roman era.

As for Muslims fighting Christians. Yes it happened. However, there was way more infighting between the Muslims, and between the Christians. Why? Because very few wars are fought over religion. Most are over access to land, resources or simply just power. Sometimes war over land and resources are re-branded as a religious war, however, to better mobilize the population and neighboring states to join in.

I don't expect most people to know this, but if you are going to post something about it, would you not check first?

Just reading different history books.

In mine, Egypt, Syria, Turkey, North Africa, Spain, Afghanistan, North India, were all peaceful trading non-Muslim territories that were brutally conquered and their academia burned. Their trade ended afterwards and the Mediterranean became the dwelling place of pirates.

It is possible I guess that all of that is fabrication, Hindus, Armenians, and others were never the targets of religious genocides. Zoroastrianism is still alive and strong...

[idiom]

Are you referring to the expansion of Islam that peaked in the 900sAD and then to the rise and decline of the Ottoman Empire? Because those are two completely different things. And as the other poster mentioned, the Muslim world is responsible almost exclusively (not even partially but almost 100%) for retaining the knowledge and academia from the age of Antiquity.

Assuming that myth was even true why would it be necessary for the Muslim armies to come in and rescue the libraries of Egypt, Syria, Byzantine, from their owners? The west was just collapsing its economic activity for the hell of it?

[dillo]

All these people attacking Rand are dumber than Rand for the most part, its basically free ammo for us if Rand can continually combat it.

[acptulsa]

All these people attacking Rand are dumber than Rand for the most part, its basically free ammo for us if Rand can continually combat it.

But we don't want him punching down their way. So we're all better off if we rip these clowns to shreds so Rand doesn't have to.