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enhanced_deficit
05-24-2015, 11:43 AM
Will Obama's gandmother's visit to Saudi Arabia influence US-Saudi ties one way or the other or there will be no impact?


Obama's grandmother visits Makkah
Al Arabiya
Apr 24, 2015 - Sara Omar, paternal grandmother of President Obama, attended an exhibition detailing the life of the Prophet Mohammad in Saudi Arabia.
http://english.alarabiya.net/en/variety/2015/04/23/Obama-s-grandmother-performs-pilgrimage-in-Makkah-.html


http://www.dhacdo.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/Sara-Omar2.jpg




King Salman, Obama vow to strengthen Saudi-US ties



http://www.arabnews.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/galleryformatter_slide/2015/05/12/file-12-6228023474893968.jpg

JEDDAH: ARAB NNEWS
Published — Tuesday 12 May 2015
http://www.arabnews.com/featured/news/745811










Related

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/11/25/article-1333036-0C3D8DB7000005DC-77_468x450.jpg


Barack Obama's grandmother 'prays he converts to Islam' (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/barackobama/8159700/Barack-Obamas-grandmother-prays-he-converts-to-Islam.html)


http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01770/obama_1770973c.jpg
Sarah Omar, 88, who was on hajj pilgrimage to Mecca, told the Al-Qatan Saudi daily: "I prayed for my grandson Barack to convert to Islam".
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/barackobama/8159700/Barack-Obamas-grandmother-prays-he-converts-to-Islam.html


54% of GOP Believe 'Deep Down' Obama Is a Muslim, Only 45% of Dems Believe Obama Is Christian (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?472016-54-of-GOP-Believe-Deep-Down-Obama-Is-a-Muslim-Only-45-of-Dems-Believe-Obama-Is-Christian/page3&)


Bobby Jindal Calls on Obama and Muslim Leaders To Condemn Radical Islam (http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/05/04/bobby-jindal-calls-on-obama-and-muslim-leaders-to-condemn-radical-islam/)



https://swordattheready.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/obama-bows-to-saudi-king.jpg

Ronin Truth
05-24-2015, 02:27 PM
Maybe if she signs up to be a suicide bomber.

Zippyjuan
05-24-2015, 03:07 PM
No impact.

enhanced_deficit
05-24-2015, 09:38 PM
No impact.

Probably so in substance. However if Michelle Obama's last visit caused any minor ripples in the bilateral relations between the two powerful nations, there is potential that Obama grandma could smooth things over a bit in the opticals realm.

Members of Saudi King's entourage refuse to shake Michelle Obama's hand (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?467585-Members-of-Saudi-King-s-entourage-refuse-to-shake-Michelle-Obama-s-hand&)

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/01/27/251DCA3200000578-2928539-image-a-22_1422377887888.jpg



In recent years, ties appear to have been close:

Syria: The Strange US/Israel/Al-Qaeda Ménage à Trois
Daniel McAdams at 15:44 pm EDT on September 28, 2012
A little more than a week after the extremists linked to Al-Qaeda by our own US government set up and murdered Ambassador to Libya Chris Stevens, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has announced that the United States would send an additional $45 million to the very same Al-Qaeda’s Syrian franchise.
Yes you read that right: The US is sending another $45 million to assist in Syria the same people it is fighting in Afghanistan and the same people who killed US Ambassador Chris Stevens in Libya.
http://www.lewrockwell.com/lrc-blog/...enage-a-trois/ (http://www.lewrockwell.com/lrc-blog/syria-the-strange-usisraelal-qaeda-menage-a-trois/)

Obama's $195 Million Aid Package for Al Qaeda-Led Syrian Rebels (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/08/08/obamas-195-million-aid-package-for-al-qaeda-led-syrian-rebels-latest-move-against-assad-but-whats-the-end-game/)
Aug 8, 2013 - President Barack Obama's announcement of an additional $195 million in humanitarian and food aid to Syrian rebels came a day after Al ...

Obama Waives Ban on Arming Terrorists to Aid Syrian Rebels (http://libertyblitzkrieg.com/2013/09/17/obama-waives-ban-on-arming-terrorists-to-aid-syrian-rebels/)
3 days ago - When I first highlighted the fact that the rebels in Syria had large al-Qaeda elements to it back in December of last year, most people thought it ...


https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/447748380958011392/B-3cSD0r_normal.png (https://twitter.com/haaretzcom)Haaretz.com @haaretzcom · 4h 4 hours ago


WATCH: Jon Stewart rips Obama for attending Saudi king's funeral, not France march
http://dlvr.it/8KpWjg (http://t.co/6rATWws5YW)
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B8szYAKCcAAfh_7.jpg:large (https://twitter.com/haaretzcom/status/561599066035859456/photo/1)

CPUd
05-25-2015, 03:26 AM
2/10 needs more *****.

enhanced_deficit
05-25-2015, 10:26 AM
CPUd, did you mistake current thread for this (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?470183-Ben-Carson-Being-Gay-Is-A-Choice-Because-Of-Prison-Sex-VIDEO&) one?


Getting back to the topic. A day after news of Obama's grandma visiting Saudi Arabia for her muslim pilgrimage was reported, one of the most prominent Christian leaders in America linked ongoing slaughter of mideast Christians to Obama's Islamic upbringing.

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2008/08/11/0811_graham_460x276.jpg (http://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CAcQjRw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.theguardian.com%2Fworld%2F200 8%2Faug%2F11%2Fusa.religion&ei=BEpjVfflM8uosAXE24GQAQ&bvm=bv.93990622,d.b2w&psig=AFQjCNFg2ZU3QuEoqh1uGFEL_Yu-en8s5g&ust=1432656685366144)



Franklin Graham blames Obama: His Islamic upbringing may make him ignore Christian slaughter

April 25, 2015
The Rev. Franklin Graham blamed President Obama on Friday for Islamic State’s murderous rampage and massacre of Christians in Iraq.
“We have a mess on our hands, and the president, and his policies are responsible for this,” the son of famous evangelist Billy Graham told Fox News host Eric Bolling on “The O’Reilly Factor.”

Graham said Obama’s upbringing has likely influenced him to remain silent on the atrocities against Christians around the world.
“As a youth, his influence was Islam,” Graham said. “Growing up, his impressions as a young man came from Islam, not the Christian faith.”
The removal of American troops from Iraq has accelerated the chaos in that area of the world, Graham said. Obama withdrew troops too soon, paving the way for Islamic State to take root.
Christians in Iraq are being butchered, and “the president has been doing virtually nothing,” he said, adding that he appreciates the airstrikes, but believes America may have to return ground troops to Iraq to defeat Islamic State, “I don’t think the airstrikes are enough. ISIS is growing.”
The evangelist was also critical of Obama’s untimely decision to use speeches at the National Prayer Breakfast and during Easter to call out Christians for past atrocities. Graham turned the tables back on Obama, repeating that he is doing nothing to help persecuted Christians, “being slaughtered” because of their faith.
“My question to the president and his administration: What are you going to do?” he said. “You going to say you didn’t know? You do know!”

http://www.bizpacreview.com/2015/04/25/franklin-graham-blames-obama-his-islamic-upbringing-may-make-him-ignore-christian-slaughter-198528 (http://www.bizpacreview.com/2015/04/25/franklin-graham-blames-obama-his-islamic-upbringing-may-make-him-ignore-christian-slaughter-198528#ixzz3bAR9JZJJ)





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Dianne
05-25-2015, 12:37 PM
Will Obama's gandmother's visit to Saudi Arabia influence US-Saudi ties one way or the other or there will be no impact?


Obama's grandmother visits Makkah
Al Arabiya
Apr 24, 2015 - Sara Omar, paternal grandmother of President Obama, attended an exhibition detailing the life of the Prophet Mohammad in Saudi Arabia.
http://english.alarabiya.net/en/variety/2015/04/23/Obama-s-grandmother-performs-pilgrimage-in-Makkah-.html


http://www.dhacdo.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/Sara-Omar2.jpg




King Salman, Obama vow to strengthen Saudi-US ties



http://www.arabnews.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/galleryformatter_slide/2015/05/12/file-12-6228023474893968.jpg

JEDDAH: ARAB NNEWS
Published — Tuesday 12 May 2015
http://www.arabnews.com/featured/news/745811










Related

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/11/25/article-1333036-0C3D8DB7000005DC-77_468x450.jpg


Barack Obama's grandmother 'prays he converts to Islam' (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/barackobama/8159700/Barack-Obamas-grandmother-prays-he-converts-to-Islam.html)


http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01770/obama_1770973c.jpg
Sarah Omar, 88, who was on hajj pilgrimage to Mecca, told the Al-Qatan Saudi daily: "I prayed for my grandson Barack to convert to Islam".
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/barackobama/8159700/Barack-Obamas-grandmother-prays-he-converts-to-Islam.html


54% of GOP Believe 'Deep Down' Obama Is a Muslim, Only 45% of Dems Believe Obama Is Christian (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?472016-54-of-GOP-Believe-Deep-Down-Obama-Is-a-Muslim-Only-45-of-Dems-Believe-Obama-Is-Christian/page3&)


Bobby Jindal Calls on Obama and Muslim Leaders To Condemn Radical Islam (http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/05/04/bobby-jindal-calls-on-obama-and-muslim-leaders-to-condemn-radical-islam/)



https://swordattheready.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/obama-bows-to-saudi-king.jpg

Does she live in New York public housing, Section 8 and food stamps like Obama's Aunts and Uncles do?

Vanguard101
05-25-2015, 12:55 PM
This is news? Wow this forum has gone downhill

enhanced_deficit
05-25-2015, 01:21 PM
Dianne, she lives in Kenya.



This is news? Wow this forum has gone downhill

It's more like a discussion on possible political implications and impact on US-Saudi ties based on a news.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-HNPQ3bY4z04/VTh1-xJTolI/AAAAAAAAYUo/xuIUMk8VxBA/s1600/11169412_10153328316077125_6406679346245586779_n.j pg




But why you think news about Obama's grandma would lower a forum's standing in any way? Would a news about Bush's grandma visiting a close US ally on a religious prayer visit have evoked same response from you?

This news is not about random relative visiting a US ally at a critical juncture of US-Saudi relations, it is someone who is close to current US President.
http://bigsafariservices.com/uploads/tx_templavoila/21.-Kogelo.jpg

nobody's_hero
05-25-2015, 02:23 PM
Does anyone really care? 15 of the 19 9/11 hijackers were from Saudi Arabia. By 'improvement in relations,' are we expecting grandma's visit means they'll send fewer next time or what? You have to admit the bar is set pretty low as for what could be considered an improvement in relations.

enhanced_deficit
05-25-2015, 06:16 PM
More than 15 of the delegates that went to Saudi Arabia to pay respects to the Saudi King few months ago were top US Democrats or Republicans. Does that answer your question?


Obama includes Republicans in big delegation to meet new Saudi King
Tue Jan 27, 2015 10:00am IST
Joining Obama in paying respects following the death of King Abdullah will be Republican statesmen James Baker, secretary of state in the George H.W. Bush administration, and Brent Scowcroft, national security adviser to presidents Ford and H.W. Bush, the White House said.
Condoleezza Rice, secretary of state for President George W. Bush, Stephen Hadley, national security adviser in that administration, and Republican Senator John McCain, who is often critical of Obama's foreign policy, also will join.
http://in.reuters.com/article/2015/0...0V51U420150127 (http://in.reuters.com/article/2015/01/27/obama-saudi-idINL1N0V51U420150127)



Even if you missed that but have you been reading the news headlines of recent weeks.. you would have observed that almost everything in the US Foreign Policy and by extension domestic policy is revolving around Iran-Saudi-Israeli relations lately.


This is top headlines on US edition of google news at this moment even though Memorial day holiday to honor vets is being observed today:


Islamic State faces battle in Iraq, US reassures Abadi (http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/05/25/us-mideast-crisis-idUSKBN0OA0MR20150525)



Reuters
- ‎1 hour ago‎











BAGHDAD/WASHINGTON Islamic State poured more fighters into Ramadi as security forces and Shi'ite paramilitaries prepared to try to retake the Iraqi city, while Washington scrambled on Monday to reassure Baghdad after a U.S.

Related Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant » (http://news.google.com/news/section?pz=1&cf=all&ned=us&hl=en&q=Islamic+State+of+Iraq+and+the+Levant&ict=clu_top) Ramadi » (http://news.google.com/news/section?pz=1&cf=all&ned=us&hl=en&q=Ramadi&ict=clu_top) Iraq » (http://news.google.com/news/section?pz=1&cf=all&ned=us&hl=en&q=Iraq&ict=clu_top)

Islamic State's Gains Reveal New Prowess on Battlefield (http://www.wsj.com/articles/islamic-states-gains-reveal-new-prowess-on-battlefield-1432592298) Wall Street Journal

Biden praises Iraqi military after US defense chief questions its will to fight (http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/25/politics/ash-carter-isis-joe-biden/) CNN

Opinion:Understanding ISIS and the long war ahead (http://www.thestar.com/opinion/commentary/2015/05/25/understanding-isis-and-the-long-war-ahead.html) Toronto Star
Wikipedia:Battle of Ramadi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Ramadi_%282014%E2%80%9315%29)



And past week's headlines:


Gulf leaders back out of Camp David summit in 'snub' to Obama
BBC News-May 11, 2015
Many Gulf heads of state have said they will not attend this week's summit of US and Arab leaders at Camp David. Their substitution with more junior leaders is ...

What King Salman's Snub Means For Barack Obama
National Journal-May 11, 2015
Another snub for Obama?
Opinion-CNN-May 11, 2015
Rulers of most Gulf nations to miss US summit, administration ...
In-Depth-Fox News-May 11, 2015
'Gulf rulers snub Camp David summit: Total disarray of US policy in ...
Blog-RT (blog)-May 13, 2015
King's Absence at Meeting Signals a Saudi-US Marriage Adrift
Opinion-New York Times-May 11, 2015





Yea, they is important for US Freedom policies.


And without close US-Saudi relations, Ramadi would still have been in Iran's hands today:

"In Iran, the daily newspaper Javan, which is seen as close to the Revolutionary Guard, quoted Soleimani as saying the U.S. didn't do a "damn thing" to stop the extremists' advance on Ramadi.
"Does it mean anything else than being an accomplice in the plot?" he reportedly asked, later saying the U.S. showed "no will" in fighting the Islamic State, also known as ISIL or ISIS.
Soleimani said Iran and its allies are the only forces that can deal with the threat.
"Today, there is nobody in confrontation with (the Islamic State) except the Islamic Republic of Iran, as well as nations who are next to Iran or supported by Iran," he said.
Iraq, Iran push back on U.S. defense chief over Ramadi loss (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2015/05/25/iraq-iran-ramadi-carter-palmyra/27912633/)

amy31416
05-25-2015, 07:36 PM
Strengthening ties with the gov't axis of evil, just like GW Bush. Shocking.

enhanced_deficit
05-29-2015, 01:44 AM
Strengthening ties with the gov't axis of evil, just like GW Bush. Shocking.

Axis-of-the-bow'rs loves that dictatorship:

Obama includes Republicans in big delegation to meet new Saudi King
Tue Jan 27, 2015 10:00am IST
Joining Obama in paying respects following the death of King Abdullah will be Republican statesmen James Baker, secretary of state in the George H.W. Bush administration, and Brent Scowcroft, national security adviser to presidents Ford and H.W. Bush, the White House said.
Condoleezza Rice, secretary of state for President George W. Bush, Stephen Hadley, national security adviser in that administration, and Republican Senator John McCain, who is often critical of Obama's foreign policy, also will join.

http://in.reuters.com/article/2015/0...0V51U420150127 (http://in.reuters.com/article/2015/01/27/obama-saudi-idINL1N0V51U420150127)