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Suzanimal
05-22-2015, 11:19 AM
FBI agents can’t point to any major terrorism cases they’ve cracked thanks to the key snooping powers in the Patriot Act, the Justice Department’s inspector general said in a report Thursday that could complicate efforts to keep key parts of the law operating.

Inspector General Michael E. Horowitz said that between 2004 and 2009, the FBI tripled its use of bulk collection under Section 215 of the Patriot Act, which allows government agents to compel businesses to turn over records and documents, and increasingly scooped up records of Americans who had no ties to official terrorism investigations.

The FBI did finally come up with procedures to try to minimize the information it was gathering on nontargets, but it took far too long, Mr. Horowitz said in the 77-page report, which comes just as Congress is trying to decide whether to extend, rewrite or entirely nix Section 215.

Backers say the Patriot Act powers are critical and must be kept intact, particularly with the spread of the threat from terrorists. But opponents have doubted the efficacy of Section 215, particularly when it’s used to justify bulk data collection such as in the case of the National Security Agency’s phone metadata program, revealed in leaks from former government contractor Edward Snowden.

The new report adds ammunition to those opponents, with the inspector general concluding that no major cases have been broken by use of the Patriot Act’s records-snooping provisions.

“The agents we interviewed did not identify any major case developments that resulted from use of the records obtained in response to Section 215 orders,” the inspector general concluded — though he said agents did view the material they gathered as “valuable” in developing other leads or corroborating information.

The report said agents bumped their number of bulk-data requests under Section 215 from seven in 2004 to 21 in 2009 as a result of technological advances and legislative changes that the intelligence community believed expanded the reach of the law.

Increasingly, that meant scooping up information on those who weren’t targets of a terrorism investigation, Mr. Horowitz said. He said that while Section 215 authority allows the government to do that, the FBI needed more checks to make sure it was using the power properly.

“While the expanded scope of these requests can be important uses of Section 215 authority, we believe these expanded uses require continued significant oversight,” he concluded.

The report was an update to a previous study done in 2008 that urged the department to figure out ways to minimize the amount of data it was gathering on ordinary Americans even as it was targeting terrorists.

In Thursday’s report Mr. Horowitz said the administration finally came up with procedures — five years later. He said it never should have taken that long but that he considers that issue solved.

The report was heavily redacted, and key details were deleted. The entire chart showing the number of Section 215 requests made from 2007 through 2009 was blacked out, as was the breakdown of what types of investigations they stemmed from: counterintelligence, counterterrorism, cyber or foreign intelligence investigations.

Section 215 of the Patriot Act is slated to expire at the end of this month. The House, in an overwhelming bipartisan vote, passed a bill to renew it but also to limit it so the government could no longer do bulk collection such as the NSA phone data program. That legislation is known as the USA Freedom Act.

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Danke
05-22-2015, 11:21 AM
It's a ruse.

paleocon1
05-22-2015, 11:23 AM
Yeah.......the purpose of the 'patriot' act never was to fight terrorism. The Purpose of this Enabling Act ALWAYS has been to repress/intimidate/control the flyover country Citizen population.

enhanced_deficit
05-23-2015, 01:22 PM
To be fair, a major case was broken:

All-white jury convicts Jeffrey Sterling, sent to prison for 42 months (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?474883-All-white-jury-convicts-Jeffrey-Sterling-sent-to-prison-for-42-months&)

http://therealnews.com/media/trn_2015-05-01/dswanson0513sterling-240.jpg


But what Norman pointed out was that Jeffrey Sterling was convicted on the basis of metadata, which is something we're told we shouldn't worry about the government having.

GunnyFreedom
05-23-2015, 01:49 PM
outta rep

surf
05-23-2015, 02:22 PM
oh yeah, what about this?
FBI Arrests 2 Suspected Islamic State Recruits In California: Reports



Reuters


Posted: 05/22/2015 2:41 am EDT Updated: 05/22/2015 4:59 am EDT
convenient timing, huh? how long til we find out that these guys aren't all there mentally and that the fbi provided the plan, fake documents, etc?

Rand probably spoiled the fbi's dream scenario where they swarmed/stormed these 2 poor guys at LAX 'utilizing' mwraps and armored humvees, shut down the airport for a few publicity shot inspired hours, and the press conference, oh the press conference, as the sun sets so the lights highlight the fbi chief and a few hundred armored minions in the background....

Occam's Banana
05-23-2015, 03:57 PM
Psshhht! Who needs the PATRIOT Act when you can just bust "terror" plots you've cooked up yourself ... ?

PRB
05-23-2015, 08:02 PM
that's not what Wikileaks says
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/how-wikileaks-vindicated-bushs-anti-terrorism-strategy/2011/05/10/AFkKtU1G_story.html

Danke
05-23-2015, 08:11 PM
that's not what Wikileaks says
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/how-wikileaks-vindicated-bushs-anti-terrorism-strategy/2011/05/10/AFkKtU1G_story.html


By Donald H. Rumsfeld


You need further instruction from Zippy, even he is not that sloppy.

Christopher A. Brown
05-24-2015, 09:43 AM
that's not what Wikileaks says
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/how-wikileaks-vindicated-bushs-anti-terrorism-strategy/2011/05/10/AFkKtU1G_story.html

The bin laden statement in the beginning of that tells us the nature of the origin of the articles premise.

Spin.

You need to examine the original backing for Assange to realize the Bush support connection.

But your link is very important because it shows that which I suspected when I learned of the main backers about two years ago.

The best thing about it is it shows what a loser bush is, because having to resort to using sources of inside information in such selective, as well as erroneous ways, indicates desperation.

Their plan worked in the initial phases because it originates so far in the past. But enough people in high places caught on, who were also not ready to fully associate with treason, to slow down the alignment with the plan.

The insider aspect used Snowden, but his info had barbs in it. The selectivity at this late date shows the desperation. Using what Assange highlights rather than what Snowden brought.

Christopher A. Brown
05-24-2015, 09:54 AM
Yep, the FBI is realizing they were infiltrated, and to a degree, have shaken off its control.


FBI agents can’t point to any major terrorism cases they’ve cracked thanks to the key snooping powers in the Patriot Act, the Justice Department’s inspector general said in a report Thursday that could complicate efforts to keep key parts of the law operating.

The entire Muslim terrorist thing is BS hype. This is not to say there are not fanatical extremists. The secret government was able to pay a few to fly planes on 9/11, but even then they disobeyed orders exposing the conspiracy to those with enough capacity for free and critical thinking to see.

Time for a lawful and peaceful revolution.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?471555-A-lawful-and-peaceful-revolution