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johnwk
05-14-2015, 07:20 PM
Fast-track trade power would allow the President to negotiate regulations of commerce with foreign nations in secret, while Congress’ only part before these regulations become law would be an up or down vote within 90 days upon receiving the presidents' concocted regulations.

Keep in mind that our Constitution places exclusive power to legislate regulations of commerce with foreign nations in Congress’ hands. Placing this power in Congress’ hands was intended by our Founders to insure that any regulations of commerce would be formulated, debated, and amended if needed by the various State’s Congressional Delegation sent to Washington to insure that each State’s interests would be represented in the making of such regulations. After any regulations of commerce were agreed upon by Congress, the president was left with a limited power to either approve or veto the regulations of commerce agreed to by Congress.

Fast Track Trade promotion authority is intentionally designed to reverse the president's and Congress' constitutionally assigned duties as they apply to regulating commerce with foreign nations. In this reversal, the president would usurp Congress’ assigned duty to represent their particular state interests when fashioning regulations of commerce while Congress would be left with the limited power to either approve or veto what the president has cooked up in secret with foreign nations.

And yet, Marco Rubio, Ted Cruz, Rand Paul, Paul Ryan, Jeb Bush and a number of other "conservatives" are on board with allowing the president to usurp Congress' exclusive legislative power to fashion regulations of commerce. Why? And why has there not been a massive outcry coming from our big media, and every “conservative” media personality, voicing an outrage over this irrefutable attempt to circumvent our Constitution’s separations of powers?

To date, there are but a handful of media personalities expressing an outrage over this attempt to eliminate Congress from its assigned duty to fashion, debate, amend and then send regulations of commerce to the president for his signature. Laura Ingraham seems to be the most out-spoken critic of TPA and defender of our Constitution at this point in time. But what is most surprising are those mentioned above who support this usurpation of power.


JWK



To support Fast Track Trade Promotion authority is to support a reversal of our President’s and Congress’ constitutionally assigned duties.

dillo
05-15-2015, 01:12 AM
apparently the democrats just caved

Christopher A. Brown
05-15-2015, 11:01 AM
Fast-track trade power would allow the President to negotiate regulations of commerce with foreign nations in secret, while Congress’ only part before these regulations become law would be an up or down vote within 90 days upon receiving the presidents' concocted regulations.

Keep in mind that our Constitution places exclusive power to legislate regulations of commerce with foreign nations in Congress’ hands. Placing this power in Congress’ hands was intended by our Founders to insure that any regulations of commerce would be formulated, debated, and amended if needed by the various State’s Congressional Delegation sent to Washington to insure that each State’s interests would be represented in the making of such regulations. After any regulations of commerce were agreed upon by Congress, the president was left with a limited power to either approve or veto the regulations of commerce agreed to by Congress.

Fast Track Trade promotion authority is intentionally designed to reverse the president's and Congress' constitutionally assigned duties as they apply to regulating commerce with foreign nations. In this reversal, the president would usurp Congress’ assigned duty to represent their particular state interests when fashioning regulations of commerce while Congress would be left with the limited power to either approve or veto what the president has cooked up in secret with foreign nations.

And yet, Marco Rubio, Ted Cruz, Rand Paul, Paul Ryan, Jeb Bush and a number of other "conservatives" are on board with allowing the president to usurp Congress' exclusive legislative power to fashion regulations of commerce. Why? And why has there not been a massive outcry coming from our big media, and every “conservative” media personality, voicing an outrage over this irrefutable attempt to circumvent our Constitution’s separations of powers?

To date, there are but a handful of media personalities expressing an outrage over this attempt to eliminate Congress from its assigned duty to fashion, debate, amend and then send regulations of commerce to the president for his signature. Laura Ingraham seems to be the most out-spoken critic of TPA and defender of our Constitution at this point in time. But what is most surprising are those mentioned above who support this usurpation of power.


JWK



To support Fast Track Trade Promotion authority is to support a reversal of our President’s and Congress’ constitutionally assigned duties.


JWK, Have you figured out yet that the entire federal government is hijacked? Have you figured out yet that only the people using simple agreement upon prime constitutional intent to FIRST control their states, THEN compel those states to amend the infiltrated federal government RIGHT OUT OF BUSINESS is going to get the job done once and for all?

We are far past the point of partisan politics being capable of anything but band aid measures. Use your brain, be accountable. The purpose of free speech was abridged before the First Amendment was written by loyalists who planned to sabotage its language removing the philosophical aspects that can create unity in the people THEN they put long term plans into action to control all printing of newspapers having wide distribution FOREVER.

Wake up man, you are no dummy.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?471555-A-lawful-and-peaceful-revolution

Uriel999
05-15-2015, 02:09 PM
If the government suggests it...it is typically tyranny.

johnwk
05-17-2015, 04:35 PM
I just hope all those voters who call themselves "conservative" Republicans will remember all the self anointed "conservative' Republicans in Congress who are supporting this nefarious attack on our Constitution's separation of powers and the assigned duties of our Congress as distinguished from our President's powers.


JWK



The accumulation of all powers, legislative, executive, and judiciary, in the same hands, whether of one, a few, or many, and whether hereditary, self-appointed, or elective, may justly be pronounced the very definition of tyranny. ___ Madison, Federalist Paper No. 47

Zippyjuan
05-17-2015, 04:47 PM
What does the Constitution say about it? First of course is the Commerce Clause giving Congress the power:


To regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several states, and with the Indian tribes;
https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/articlei#section8

So they have the power to decided on rules for foreign trade. But what about a negotiated treaty on trade?

Then we have the Treaty Clause which gives the President the power to:


He shall have power, by and with the advice and consent of the Senate, to make treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur; and he shall nominate, and by and with the advice and consent of the Senate, shall appoint ambassadors, other public ministers and consuls, judges of the Supreme Court, and all other officers of the United States, whose appointments are not herein otherwise provided for, and which shall be established by law: but the Congress may by law vest the appointment of such inferior officers, as they think proper, in the President alone, in the courts of law, or in the heads of departments.

which says he does have the power to negotiate treaties which must then either be approved or rejected by two thirds of present Senators. It does not say that Congress can modify a treaty prior to approval (also does not say they can't). Modification may require the President to re-negotiate a treaty if it is not accepted as negotiated. Since Congress still has the power to decide if they accept or reject a trade treaty, it does not seem to interfere with any of their powers.