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osan
05-14-2015, 04:17 AM
I admit I do not watch television ever and that I my therefore be missing something, but I cannot recall having seen nor heard a thing about the great revelations that Snowden promised over a year ago.

So where, then, have they gone? I smell more theater here, whether it be that Snowden is just another element in the greater general circus act, or perhaps some other player such as Russia has put the brakes on the train.

Does anyone have any info I may be missing? Any opinions with or against my flimsy speculation?

kcchiefs6465
05-14-2015, 07:25 AM
I admit I do not watch television ever and that I my therefore be missing something, but I cannot recall having seen nor heard a thing about the great revelations that Snowden promised over a year ago.

So where, then, have they gone? I smell more theater here, whether it be that Snowden is just another element in the greater general circus act, or perhaps some other player such as Russia has put the brakes on the train.

Does anyone have any info I may be missing? Any opinions with or against my flimsy speculation?
I would not rely on the MSM for coverage on the various NSA programs. The Guardian has done a great job reporting on various aspects of Snowden's cache but aside from that, the coverage has been more to justify the illegal actions of the NSA than anything.

PROJECT BULLRUN, EGOTISTICAL GIRAFFE, OLYMPIA, BOUNDLESS INFORMANT, SHELLTRUMPET, BLARNEY, FAIRVIEW, OAKSTAR, STORMBREW, PRISM, STELLARWIND etc. etc.

A few of the programs were known about but more information was provided. The maps provided, graphics, etc. are priceless to the truth. The picture of NSA employees installing hacking software to company's products destined for overseas likewise never would have been seen.

Check out, No Place to Hide, by Glenn Greenwald if you want to get an overview of what exactly was revealed. The slides themselves are also a great tool. James Bamford revealed a bit about what the NSA was doing. Snowden provided additional evidence that the US government is in fact trying to collect every digital communication and has been relatively successful in doing so.

I'm on my phone or I would provide a lot more information, links, etc. There was a website that had many original NSA documents. Reading through them is certainly eye opening and mainly possible because of Snowden and similar NSA whistleblowers.

tangent4ronpaul
05-14-2015, 11:08 AM
https://www.aclu.org/nsa-documents-search
https://snowdenarchive.cjfe.org/greenstone/cgi-bin/library.cgi
http://leaksource.info/category/nsa-files/
http://cryptome.org/
https://edwardsnowden.com/revelations/
https://www.eff.org/nsa-spying/nsadocs


http://cryptome.org/2013/11/snowden-tally.htm
8 May 2015. Add 40 pages to The Intercept. Tally now *4,022 pages of The Guardian first reported 58,000 files; caveat: Janine Gibson, The Guardian NY, said on 30 January 2014 "much more than 58,000 files in first part, two more parts" (no numbers) (tally now less than ~5.8%). DoD claims 1,700,000 files (~.020% of that released). ACLU lists 525 pages released by the press. However, if as The Washington Post reported, a minimum of 250,000 pages are in the Snowden files, then less than 1% have been released. Note Greenwald claim on 13 September 2014 of having "hundreds of thousands" of documents.

-t

TheTexan
05-14-2015, 12:10 PM
Whats the snowden thing again? Wasnt that some kind of celebrity sex scandal?

Danke
05-14-2015, 12:33 PM
Whats the snowden thing again? Wasnt that some kind of celebrity sex scandal?

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kpitcher
05-14-2015, 07:03 PM
There's been an oscar winning documentary to help spread some of what was revealed. It's out of his hands, it's all on the journalists.

TheTexan
05-14-2015, 07:06 PM
There's been an oscar winning documentary to help spread some of what was revealed. It's out of his hands, it's all on the journalists.

Documentary... ugh. If I wanted to watch a book, I'd listen to NPR.

Thanks anyway.

nayjevin
05-14-2015, 07:18 PM
https://firstlook.org/theintercept/

nayjevin
05-14-2015, 07:27 PM
Documentary... ugh. If I wanted to watch a book, I'd listen to NPR.

Thanks anyway.

Fiction is overrated.