Princeton Study: Congress literally doesn't care what you think

[donnay]

Princeton Study: Congress literally doesn't care what you think

Professors Martin Gilens (Princeton University) and Benjamin I. Page (Northwestern University) looked at more than 20 years worth of data to answer a simple question: Does the government represent the people?

Their study took data from nearly 2000 public opinion surveys and compared it to the policies that ended up becoming law. In other words, they compared what the public wanted to what the government actually did. What they found was extremely unsettling: The opinions of 90% of Americans has essentially no impact at all.

This video gives a quick rundown of their findings — it all boils down to one simple graph:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tu32CCA_Ig

Princeton University study: Public opinion has “near-zero” impact on U.S. law.

Gilens & Page found that the number of Americans for or against any idea has no impact on the likelihood that Congress will make it law.

“The preferences of the average American appear to have only a miniscule, near-zero, statistically non-significant impact upon public policy.”

One thing that does have an influence? Money. While the opinions of the bottom 90% of income earners in America have a “statistically non-significant impact,” Economic elites, business interests, and people who can afford lobbyists still carry major influence.

Continued... (http://refreshingnews99.blogspot.in/2015/05/princeton-study-congress-literally.html)

[Origanalist]

I'm shocked, shocked I tell you.

[Cleaner44]

Great job of exposing the problem. Poor job of proposing a solution.

Make corruption illegal they say. Just outlaw corruption like drugs were outlawed and that will fix it. Not.

This is why we need more local government and less central government. I know that John McCain doesn't give a shit about my views and he doesn't care to hide it either.

At least my state government might actually listen to me.

[Ronin Truth]

If not required and they don't have to, then why should they? Just fire the criminal weaselly bastards.

[Brian4Liberty]

They fail to identify the problem of ignorant voters who are promised free stuff by candidates.

[Ronin Truth]

They fail to identify the problem of ignorant voters who are promised free stuff by candidates.

Whatever it takes to buy enough votes. Is this a great system or what?

[donnay]

One thing is definitely true is-- Follow the money. No money, no voice. It's sad really.

[ZENemy]

Why would the kings enforcers care for the opinion of peasants?

[Anti Federalist]

Why would the kings enforcers care for the opinion of peasants?

Bingo.

Now, move along, knaves.

[DFF]

More confirmation that the US is an oligarchy. No different than Russia. Or China.

[DamianTV]

Great job of exposing the problem. Poor job of proposing a solution.

Make corruption illegal they say. Just outlaw corruption like drugs were outlawed and that will fix it. Not.

This is why we need more local government and less central government. I know that John McCain doesn't give a shit about my views and he doesn't care to hide it either.

At least my state government might actually listen to me.

I think this wins the thread, excluding of course, the OP.

If we make anything illegal, including corruption, it only creates an Underground Market for it. Right now they can get funds and what not publicly. If corruption is made illegal, they do the same exact thing, and only use Shadow Corporations and deals we do not know about to buy off all the Politicians. And again, the Illusion of Choice remains.

[heavenlyboy34]

Great job of exposing the problem. Poor job of proposing a solution.

Make corruption illegal they say. Just outlaw corruption like drugs were outlawed and that will fix it. Not.

This is why we need more local government and less central government. I know that John McCain doesn't give a shit about my views and he doesn't care to hide it either.

At least my state government might actually listen to me.
I can all but guarantee you this is just wishful thinking. That tired cliche "you can't fight city hall" didn't become common knowledge just because it's catchy.

[heavenlyboy34]

More confirmation that the US is an oligarchy. No different than Russia. Or China.

+rep 'Murica is exceptional! :rolleyes:
http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/d1/d10c30071092f382a11e2b279e3d53fda1641d50e885320a52 9619291b3c005f.jpg

[Cleaner44]

I can all but guarantee you this is just wishful thinking. That tired cliche "you can't fight city hall" didn't become common knowledge just because it's catchy.

It is wishful thinking. I don't know if our Republic is a lost cause, but I do know it is worth fighting for. I also find it fun and interesting. Provoking John McCain to call people Wacko Birds™ is definitely worth fighting city hall for.

[heavenlyboy34]

It is wishful thinking. I don't know if our Republic is a lost cause, but I do know it is worth fighting for. I also find it fun and interesting. Provoking John McCain to call people Wacko Birds™ is definitely worth fighting city hall for.

Well, if you can fight on your own terms, a reasonable proposition. Try to play by the regime's rules and you will lose.

[GunnyFreedom]

That was my exact same experience in the General Assembly. Popular will meant literally NOTHING to nearly every legislator in office. In fact, in 2013 one Paul "Skip" Stam then Speaker Pro-Tem killed a medicinal cannabis bill because it was 'too popular,' (his own words even) he wanted to make everyone just shut up about it by killing the bill so that it could no longer be considered.

[GunnyFreedom]

I just watched the video itself. My experience says the video is completely accurate.

[heavenlyboy34]

nvm, dupe.

[Christopher A. Brown]

Princeton Study: Congress literally doesn't care what you think

Professors Martin Gilens (Princeton University) and Benjamin I. Page (Northwestern University) looked at more than 20 years worth of data to answer a simple question: Does the government represent the people?

Their study took data from nearly 2000 public opinion surveys and compared it to the policies that ended up becoming law. In other words, they compared what the public wanted to what the government actually did. What they found was extremely unsettling: The opinions of 90% of Americans has essentially no impact at all.

This video gives a quick rundown of their findings — it all boils down to one simple graph:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tu32CCA_Ig

Princeton University study: Public opinion has “near-zero” impact on U.S. law.

Gilens & Page found that the number of Americans for or against any idea has no impact on the likelihood that Congress will make it law.

“The preferences of the average American appear to have only a miniscule, near-zero, statistically non-significant impact upon public policy.”

One thing that does have an influence? Money. While the opinions of the bottom 90% of income earners in America have a “statistically non-significant impact,” Economic elites, business interests, and people who can afford lobbyists still carry major influence.

Continued... (http://refreshingnews99.blogspot.in/2015/05/princeton-study-congress-literally.html)

Yes, by talking with people and listening to their opinions of what government had done and was doing, I determined this myself 25 years ago.

There is an agenda of empire, and we do not have a role except as unwilling supporters of it. Eventually suffering greatly from it.

This why a lawful and peaceful revolution is required of us by our human integrity, if we have it still.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?471555-A-lawful-and-peaceful-revolution

Good find and post Donnay!

[Christopher A. Brown]

That was my exact same experience in the General Assembly.

OWS?

[GunnyFreedom]

OWS?

Are you asking me if I was in the Legislature building as a member of Occupy Wall Street?

[Christopher A. Brown]

Are you asking me if I was in the Legislature building as a member of Occupy Wall Street?

Yes.

[GunnyFreedom]

OWS?


Are you asking me if I was in the Legislature building as a member of Occupy Wall Street?


Yes.

lol -- Okay RonPaulForums, should I tell him what I was doing in the North Carolina Legislature building? What say ye? :D

[Christopher A. Brown]

lol -- Okay RonPaulForums, should I tell him what I was doing in the North Carolina Legislature building? What say ye? :D
Really?? WTF?

[GunnyFreedom]

Really?? WTF?
THEY all know what I was doing there. I prefer to represent the wishes of the Forums on this one. Maybe they think it would be funnier to watch you twisting in the wind. Maybe they think it would be funnier to tell you exactly what I was doing there. Myself I think both would be awesomely hilarious so I am minded to let the Forums decide whether to tell you what I was doing in the NCGA or not.

[CPUd]

THEY all know what I was doing there. I prefer to represent the wishes of the Forums on this one. Maybe they think it would be funnier to watch you twisting in the wind. Maybe they think it would be funnier to tell you exactly what I was doing there. Myself I think both would be awesomely hilarious so I am minded to let the Forums decide whether to tell you what I was doing in the NCGA or not.

I think you should just confirm or deny that you were in the NCGA building as a member of OWS.

[GunnyFreedom]

I think you should just confirm or deny that you were in the NCGA building as a member of OWS.
Makes sense. Good advice.

No, I was not in the legislature building as a member of OWS.

[Christopher A. Brown]

Makes sense. Good advice.

No, I was not in the legislature building as a member of OWS.

Okay, I have much better idea of the agenda here. I am dealing with a group, they are associated with OWS.

They have a background that accepts and integrates with the GA.

The group is socialist in nature.

The fact that there is little or no accountability is quite possibly unconscious.

All consistent with OWS which failed to support the constitution which provided the right to assembly used in protest in the first place.

Consistent with UNC's support of secrecy related to 9/11. (http://www.unc.edu/courses/2001fall/plan/006e/001/engineering/)

Consistent with no-plan-ronin and October2011.

[AngryCanadian]

Was this supposed to be a surprise?

[donnay]

Was this supposed to be a surprise?

For some people, yes.

[Christopher A. Brown]

For some people, yes.

Lifton from UNC coined a term, "Thought terminating phrase"

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thought_Reform_and_the_Psychology_of_Totalism

I see quite a bit of that coming from this group.

It has not really been a surprise for me. More of a confirmation.

However, it is actually a very good thing. Understanding always is.

[GunnyFreedom]

Okay, I have much better idea of the agenda here. I am dealing with a group, they are associated with OWS.

They have a background that accepts and integrates with the GA.

The group is socialist in nature.

The fact that there is little or no accountability is quite possibly unconscious.

All consistent with OWS which failed to support the constitution which provided the right to assembly used in protest in the first place.

Consistent with UNC's support of secrecy related to 9/11. (http://www.unc.edu/courses/2001fall/plan/006e/001/engineering/)

Consistent with no-plan-ronin and October2011.
The reason I was in the Legislature building was not that I was associated with OWS either. :p

[Christopher A. Brown]

The reason I was in the Legislature building was not that I was associated with OWS either. :p

Your thinking is associated with OWS, so maybe you don't know what you are doing.

[TheTexan]

Their study took data from nearly 2000 public opinion surveys and compared it to the policies that ended up becoming law. In other words, they compared what the public wanted to what the government actually did. What they found was extremely unsettling: The opinions of 90% of Americans has essentially no impact at all.

The most likely explanation for this, is that popular opinion wants things that are unconstitutional, and our representatives have the discipline to remain faithful to the constitution.

[GunnyFreedom]

Your thinking is associated with OWS, so maybe you don't know what you are doing.

hahah my thinking is from OWS. :D :D

I admit that I did once speak to an OWS crowd and got a standing ovation for saying we need to eliminate the Food and Drug Administration. That was so unusual that the local Tea Party threw me a party.

[CCTelander]

I can all but guarantee you this is just wishful thinking. That tired cliche "you can't fight city hall" didn't become common knowledge just because it's catchy.


'Murica! Fuck yeah!

[acptulsa]

Well, if you can fight on your own terms, a reasonable proposition. Try to play by the regime's rules and you will lose.


I can all but guarantee you this is just wishful thinking. That tired cliche "you can't fight city hall" didn't become common knowledge just because it's catchy.


nvm, dupe.

Yeah, slightly. You do duplicate yourself.

You keep harping and keep harping on the notion that scaling Washington back to the dimensions it had not all that long ago is no solution, and you dig up a grand old phrase in defense of that. But that phrase was not always true. In this part of the country, we used that phrase both as a way to laugh at the damnyankees in their political machines, and as a warning to our own that we would not put up with that. You can't fight city hall. I have heard that used, and used it myself, as a way to get laughs at victory parties after beating city hall.

Of course, there have always been places where it has been true. Or has it? Detroit's city hall got beat. They had to be starved out. But they were starved out. Of course, if all the city halls get federalized, there will be no point in avoiding Detroit, because every city hall will be just as bad. That's why we're here fighting centralization.

Keep telling us this goal isn't worth fighting for, silly child, and we will continue to ignore you. Because we remember. You can tell us what we remember wasn't worth fighting for until you're blue in the face. But we know you are flat wrong. Because we remember.

[GunnyFreedom]

Yeah, slightly. You do duplicate yourself.

You keep harping and keep harping on the notion that scaling Washington back to the dimensions it had not all that long ago is no solution, and you dig up a grand old phrase in defense of that. But that phrase was not always true. In this part of the country, we used that phrase both as a way to laugh at the damnyankees in their political machines, and as a warning to our own that we would not put up with that. You can't fight city hall. I have heard that used, and used it myself, as a way to get laughs at victory parties after beating city hall.

Of course, there have always been places where it has been true. Or has it? Detroit's city hall got beat. They had to be starved out. But they were starved out. Of course, if all the city halls get federalized, there will be no point in avoiding Detroit, because every city hall will be just as bad. That's why we're here fighting centralization.

Keep telling us this goal isn't worth fighting for, silly child, and we will continue to ignore you. Because we remember. You can tell us what we remember wasn't worth fighting for until you're blue in the face. But we know you are flat wrong. Because we remember.

Aye. I'm only 41 and I remember. I totally get that it was already coming off the rails 102 years ago. I totally get that the instability that led to the derailing was introduced in 1803. But the real evils from all of that did not really start to manifest in a big way until the 1990's.

I remember too.

[heavenlyboy34]

Yeah, slightly. You do duplicate yourself.

You keep harping and keep harping on the notion that scaling Washington back to the dimensions it had not all that long ago is no solution, and you dig up a grand old phrase in defense of that. But that phrase was not always true. In this part of the country, we used that phrase both as a way to laugh at the damnyankees in their political machines, and as a warning to our own that we would not put up with that. You can't fight city hall. I have heard that used, and used it myself, as a way to get laughs at victory parties after beating city hall.
Uh-huh. Sure. You know what truism they say about things that sound too good to be true, yes? ;)


Of course, there have always been places where it has been true. Or has it? Detroit's city hall got beat. They had to be starved out. But they were starved out. Of course, if all the city halls get federalized, there will be no point in avoiding Detroit, because every city hall will be just as bad. That's why we're here fighting centralization.

Keep telling us this goal isn't worth fighting for, silly child, and we will continue to ignore you. Because we remember. You can tell us what we remember wasn't worth fighting for until you're blue in the face. But we know you are flat wrong. Because we remember.

Go ahead, I don't care. Why bother to even respond if you are ignoring me? Trying to convince me that the Constitutionalists' 200+ year record of fail doesn't exist? Nope, not going to happen, silly child. Your lofty rhetoric, wishful thinking, condescension, and highly selective interpretation of history fail to impress. God bless ya, though. Heaven knows the business of politics and corporate interests would have a helluva lot harder time without y'all...because without fable-spinners enrapturing the imagination of the masses, the State propaganda machine wouldn't be all that effective. ~hugs~

[acptulsa]

Some people look at the Constitution and say, 'It didn't work forever.'

Others look at it and say, 'True, but it did work! Looking back over history, how many things can you say that about?'

[oyarde]

More confirmation that the US is an oligarchy. No different than Russia. Or China.

My taxes would be lower in Russia.

[heavenlyboy34]

Some people look at the Constitution and say, 'It didn't work forever.'

Others look at it and say, 'True, but it did work! Looking back over history, how many things can you say that about?'
God bless ya, brother. ~hugs~
http://scottsutton.net/wp-content/uploads/lie-enough-truth-660x790.jpg

[Origanalist]

Yes.

Actually, I think he is a Russian plant. First they took over education.....

[Origanalist]

My taxes would be lower in Russia.

Another Russian sleeper.

[GunnyFreedom]

Actually, I think he is a Russian plant. First they took over education.....

Curses! Foiled again. If it wasn't for you meddling kids...

http://reho.st/medium/http://static6.depositphotos.com/1062524/552/i/950/depositphotos_5528601-Three-coloures-of-flag-from-flowers.jpg

[Origanalist]

Curses! Foiled again. If it wasn't for you meddling kids...

http://reho.st/medium/http://static6.depositphotos.com/1062524/552/i/950/depositphotos_5528601-Three-coloures-of-flag-from-flowers.jpg

Now oyarde needs to fess up and back to Moscow with both of you.

[GunnyFreedom]

Now oyarde needs to fess up and back to Moscow with both of you.

до свида́ния, товарищ!

[Christopher A. Brown]

Some people look at the Constitution and say, 'It didn't work forever.'

Others look at it and say, 'True, but it did work! Looking back over history, how many things can you say that about?'

A functional post addressing the dysfunction of "Thought terminating phrases".

It did work as long as their was unity in the people.

Populations grew, while the media information dissemination machine was corrupted against the principles of natural law in the constitution. The press executed the PURPOSE of free speech by getting information to the masses, and the loyalists knew it well.

After Benjamin Franklin died, there was no real vigor with full enough understanding to embody unity in the people. The functional unity that was present in the generation of the revolutionary war, and the generation that followed, began to dwindle.

Lincoln inability to get his speeches published shows that. It was only in his home state of Illinois, where the press agenda of ignoring his anti war position and pro Article V position was relaxed some because they knew him, that a very important statement was published.

"the people are the rightful masters of the congress and the courts, not to overthrow the constitution, but to overthrow the men that would pervert the constitution."

The men that would pervert the constitution wanted the war, they wanted to violate it and disallow the south to secede. They ignored that the south was within their right to have slavery. Lincoln's plan for Article V would have had the south phasing slavery out over a 20 year period with the north actually profiting off of it while the south did as well from the increased commerce of the norths activities.

The men that perverted the constitution wanted to divide the nation with destruction, then take possession of it through the debt of war, and they did with the act of 1871. However, it was covert and unlawful because the people of the north would have never tolerated what was imposed.

To make it work again, we need to return to the level of unity that was present at the revolutionary war.

The realization that free speech has a vital purpose, and that the purpose of free speech is abridged, is enough to unify Americans, but it must start socially then grow into a cultural activity which preserves liberty and life itself. And such is fully constitutional, whereas the dysfunctional alternatives are not.

[heavenlyboy34]

A functional post addressing the dysfunction of "Thought terminating phrases".

It did work as long as their was unity in the people.

Populations grew, while the media information dissemination machine was corrupted against the principles of natural law in the constitution. The press executed the PURPOSE of free speech by getting information to the masses, and the loyalists knew it well.

After Benjamin Franklin died, there was no real vigor with full enough understanding to embody unity in the people. The functional unity that was present in the generation of the revolutionary war, and the generation that followed, began to dwindle.

Lincoln inability to get his speeches published shows that. It was only in his home state of Illinois, where the press agenda of ignoring his anti war position and pro Article V position was relaxed some because they knew him, that a very important statement was published.

"the people are the rightful masters of the congress and the courts, not to overthrow the constitution, but to overthrow the men that would pervert the constitution."

The men that would pervert the constitution wanted the war, they wanted to violate it and disallow the south to secede. They ignored that the south was within their right to have slavery. Lincoln's plan for Article V would have had the south phasing slavery out over a 20 year period with the north actually profiting off of it while the south did as well from the increased commerce of the norths activities.

The men that perverted the constitution wanted to divide the nation with destruction, then take possession of it through the debt of war, and they did with the act of 1871. However, it was covert and unlawful because the people of the north would have never tolerated what was imposed.

To make it work again, we need to return to the level of unity that was present at the revolutionary war.

The realization that free speech has a vital purpose, and that the purpose of free speech is abridged, is enough to unify Americans, but it must start socially then grow into a cultural activity which preserves liberty and life itself. And such is fully constitutional, whereas the dysfunctional alternatives are not.

They got information out, but facts...not so much. TJ himself lamented in his day, "The man who reads nothing at all is better educated than the man who reads nothing but newspapers".

[wizardwatson]

They got information out, but facts...not so much. TJ himself lamented in his day, "The man who reads nothing at all is better educated than the man who reads nothing but newspapers".

So much more true today than in Jefferson's time.

[GunnyFreedom]

To make it work again, we need to return to the level of unity that was present at the revolutionary war.

If you are looking for unity, then you are clearly going about it in the wrong way.

[Anti Federalist]

THEY all know what I was doing there. I prefer to represent the wishes of the Forums on this one. Maybe they think it would be funnier to watch you twisting in the wind. Maybe they think it would be funnier to tell you exactly what I was doing there. Myself I think both would be awesomely hilarious so I am minded to let the Forums decide whether to tell you what I was doing in the NCGA or not.

I would have let him twist in the wind, myself.

[Pauls' Revere]

They fail to identify the problem of ignorant voters who are promised free stuff by candidates.

and a lack of responsibility for one's actions.

[heavenlyboy34]

Another Russian sleeper.

Quit trying to blow our cover, man! :P

[Anti Federalist]

OK, so we've gone from being coginfil government agents to being members of Occupy Wall Street...

That about sum it up?


Okay, I have much better idea of the agenda here. I am dealing with a group, they are associated with OWS.

They have a background that accepts and integrates with the GA.

The group is socialist in nature.

The fact that there is little or no accountability is quite possibly unconscious.

All consistent with OWS which failed to support the constitution which provided the right to assembly used in protest in the first place.

Consistent with UNC's support of secrecy related to 9/11. (http://www.unc.edu/courses/2001fall/plan/006e/001/engineering/)

Consistent with no-plan-ronin and October2011.

[GunnyFreedom]

OK, so we've gone from being coginfil government agents to being members of Occupy Wall Street...

That about sum it up?

We are whatever he thinks will make people distrustful of us at the moment. That's how people like him work. If he thought that RPF's hated "Ronald McDonald" then we would be 'Ronalds.' It's some kind of twisted power play.

[Anti Federalist]

We are whatever he thinks will make people distrustful of us at the moment. That's how people like him work. If he thought that RPF's hated "Ronald McDonald" then we would be 'Ronalds.' It's some kind of twisted power play.

Well, hell, all I want to know is where to send my invoices. ;)

[Christopher A. Brown]

They got information out, but facts...not so much. TJ himself lamented in his day, "The man who reads nothing at all is better educated than the man who reads nothing but newspapers".

So much more true today than in Jefferson's time.

An understatement. Media has been de-evolving the western world for about 25 years effectively. It started full swing in about 1980.

The potentials for true education are huge, but the entire commercial
System is corrupted to serve power instead of adaptation and freedom.

A lawful and peaceful revolution can end that. It begins with people realizing, agreeing and accepting that free speech has a purpose vital our survival. The first order of that is altering or abolishing government destructive to our rights.

With "Preparatory Amendnent" preceding an Article V convention, where general Proposals for amendment are made, all amendments are assured of having constitutional intent.

Preparatory amendment ends the abridging of the purpose of free speech, secures the vote and reforms campaign finance. When those things have had time for effect, Americans will be able to agree upon definitions of constitutional intent adequate to assure all amendments have it.

[Christopher A. Brown]

We are whatever he thinks will make people distrustful of us at the moment. That's how people like him work. If he thought that RPF's hated "Ronald McDonald" then we would be 'Ronalds.' It's some kind of twisted power play.

People that do not agree and accept that free speech has the ultimate purpose of altering or abolishing government destructiive to unalienable rights cannot be trusted.

It is unwise to allow them to occupy any of ones time while government is busy violating our unalienable rights.

The constitution and the intents defined by the documents framing it are not twisted, you are.

[Christopher A. Brown]

Well, hell, all I want to know is where to send my invoices. ;)

There are more than one kind of agent.

Some work for free because they are so mislead they don't know what they are doing and think that their agenda with no plan and no principle with no people that understand those empty things, is something worth working for.

Their work is against something millions accept but do not understand, their work is against a plan to help those millions understand and the principles that can unify them into an effective force for altering or abolishing government destructive to unalienable rights.

They are lost, with no paycheck, no plan and no principles.

[GunnyFreedom]

Look, seriously Christopher, you aren't well. You need help. I can identify at least two clear psychological functional disorders right off the top and there are probably more.

AF has shed blood sweat and tears to save this country and so have I. You are launching vendettas against some of the brightest liberty activists on this forum because they will not bow down and worship YOU. That's not good, man.

You hold old some kind of weird grudge against a local government because they would not allow you to inject mental patients with drugs and hypnotize them. That's just not good.

I may not be an expert, but I'm a pretty bright guy, and o can clearly see narcissistic personality disorder and probably schizophrenia. By letting yourself try to take on the whole world full of monsters you aren't helping the world by attacking the very people doing the work to save it, and you are hurting yourself by allowing the condition to fester without getting help.

Listen to me. I'm not joking, I'm not being flippant or sarcastic. You need help. You aren't well. I'm not trying to hurt you, I am genuinely worried for a fellow human being who clearly means well even if you are misguided.

Please, seek help. :(

[Ronin Truth]

How are we ever going to be able to tell when we finally have enough laws and we can safely shut down the law factory?

One hundred more years? Two hundred?

[Christopher A. Brown]

Look, seriously Christopher, you aren't well. You need help. I can identify at least two clear psychological functional disorders right off the top and there are probably more.

AF has shed blood sweat and tears to save this country and so have I. You are launching vendettas against some of the brightest liberty activists on this forum because they will not bow down and worship YOU. That's not good, man.

Look, seriously Christopher, you aren't well. You need help. I can identify at least two clear psychological functional disorders right off the top and there are probably more.


Agent, you are so full of shit.

You have ZERO integrity. Mass murder in NYC on 9/11 means nothing to you.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?471836-WTC-really-had-concrete-core-(split-thread)&p=5830604&viewfull=1#post5830604

I prove that there is a massive deception regarding the structural core of the Twin Towers and file a disclosure of my knowledge of treason in federal court relating to it,

http://algoxy.com/psych/9-11title_18.disclosure.html

http://algoxy.com/psych/9-11title_18.civreassign.html

http://algoxy.com/psych/9-11title_18.civreasign1.html

and the federal court judges proceed to conceal treason and mass murder by removing my filing as an "IN RE:" with the criminal clerk and refile it as a civil case WITHOUT my authorization so they can discard it when I do not pay filing fees.

You ignore that I say I have a problem with local courts which is proven to be seriously unconstitutional (http://algoxy.com/poly/disclosure.coverlet.html) AND designed to conceal treason. BTW, I was filing lawsuits before 9/11 to try and stop conspiracies exploiting, abusing the human unconscious to create secrecy. Now you and AF show yourselves to be so corrupt and against the principles of this country you PRETEND that you have the moral position to say I have mental problems.

You are a sociopath.

I have filed 9 lawsuits trying to stop treason and murder. Five in state court and four in federal. All courts deprive me of justice while treason an murder is rampant; I POST PROOF of this; and you post BS.

Locally, you should know there has been tragic lethal retaliation ongoing since before 9/11 for the deprivations of justice preventing humanity from developing the tools needed to treat mental illness. Within a 4 mile radius there have been 22 murders by 4 murderers, 2 of which tried to get help from the county mental health department, but because of the obstruction and deprivation of justice, there was no competent help.

To be responsible and use what right I have which MIGHT serve the purpose of free speech, to at least preserve lives, I made a craigslist page to inform local citizens and remind them of our communities losses from corrupt government allowing mass destruction of an unalienable right.

http://santabarbara.craigslist.org/pol/5019879659.html

There is a reason it is happening here you piece of crap, (temporary if you have a heart connected to your mind).

The Indigenous people here are the ancient leaders of ancient America (the Iroquois and Mohawks, also leaders, were erecting steel on the Twin a Towers which is why I know about those) and the colonization brought many dark spiritual factions with it that exploit secrecy for power. Those factions have consolidated their forces here because the colonizations leadership, mostly Masonic, Templarian, has a tradition of dominating the territory of Pagan leadership they have conquered to continue surpressing knowledge of the unconscious mind to remain the exclusive users of it for the imposition of tyranny. They are abusing the unconscious minds of people to create mass murders hoping Americans will notice and demand justice creating recognition of unconscious control, stopping them and the factions controlling government in the same ways

They of course control the courts and the best of the Masons are prevented from doing anything; as bad as they want to; about the deprivations of justice leading to mass murder and treason because of their oaths which are administered in a trance and control them unconsciously.

Everyone NEEDS to learn what happened, what these native people were put through that escalated after the act of 1871 which converted the federal government into a full fledged branch of the Roman Empire.

I've produced a one hour documentary that people who have control if their own minds need to view in order to be appraised if the breadth of these vital issue which WILL determine our future in the long run.

On this page are 4 videos. The first, a 30 minute piece dealing with the Mexican American war and it's impacts on Indigenous people has been cut off from viewing because it has some minor errors about tribal identity.

The second is called "CIRCA, Stolen Spirit, Frauds of Colonization". It is a one hour .avi file.

Download it and view it. Do not stream it on the server. A friend hosts it and saving bandwidth is important.

The third video is a sequel to "CIRCA" and is 30 minutes. It documents the events surrounding 2 mass murders here as well as a few other things.

The forth video is about 7 minutes and is of the ancient Indigenous leaders of America and their opening of their "Story Circle", a tile artwork on the beachside walk of the main beach of the city here, across from where their perhaps 9,000 year old village was. This was done following the broadcasts of CIRCA, perhaps 50 times here in 2008 on public access television.

If you believe in love In our universe, and love protecting life, having the ordinary human courage to accept truths that protect life, you will download and view CIRCA to return here and agree then accept that the purpose of free speech is to enable unity adequate to alter or abolish government destructive to our unalienable rights.

http://algoxy.com/miskno

[Anti Federalist]

^^^ Touched a nerve there, I guess. ^^^

[Anti Federalist]

and the federal court judges proceed to conceal treason and mass murder by removing my filing as an "IN RE:" with the criminal clerk and refile it as a civil case WITHOUT my authorization so they can discard it when I do not pay filing fees.

You ignore that I say I have a problem with local courts which is proven to be seriously unconstitutional AND designed to conceal treason. BTW, I was filing lawsuits before 9/11 to try and stop conspiracies exploiting, abusing the human unconscious to create secrecy. Now you and AF show yourselves to be so corrupt and against the principles of this country you PRETEND that you have the moral position to say I have mental problems.

You are a sociopath.

I have filed 9 lawsuits trying to stop treason and murder. Five in state court and four in federal. All courts deprive me of justice while treason an murder is rampant; I POST PROOF of this; and you post BS.

Locally, you should know there has been tragic lethal retaliation ongoing since before 9/11 for the deprivations of justice preventing humanity from developing the tools needed to treat mental illness. Within a 4 mile radius there have been 22 murders by 4 murderers, 2 of which tried to get help from the county mental health department, but because of the obstruction and deprivation of justice, there was no competent help.

Which pretty much makes our point.

This is the system to which you would appeal to for justice.

For the record, I have already, in part, agreed to your premise that ONE of the purposes of free speech is to "enable unity adequate to alter or abolish government destructive to our unalienable rights."

But once again, I must try to point out that you are putting the cart before the horse here.

Until people even begin to realize they are living under a tyrannical system, there will be no universal outcry, united or otherwise.

Right now most people are either happy with the tyranny and want more, or are, like the classic rant delivered in Network just cowering behind their doors hoping that they will be left alone to eke out a living as best they can.

[Christopher A. Brown]

This innocent young woman was gunned down in cold blood because I was deprived of justice when trying to see adequate mental health care developed. Are you dead inside? No nerves whatsoever?
http://cdn.abclocal.go.com/content/kabc/images/cms/79332_1280x720.jpg

Here's two more gunned down by a autistic psychopath that was seeing 2 psychologists, and was able to conceal his intentions for years. My proposals for treatment would get to the depths of those thoughts to learn about such plans and create diffusion and intervention of them.

http://www.ksbw.com/image/view/-/26175550/highRes/4/-/maxh/480/maxw/640/-/ge8k99/-/santa-barbara-victims-jpg.jpg


^^^ Touched a nerve there, I guess. ^^^

Got no nerve, no heart, no paycheck, no principles, no plan = pitiful agent of death and destruction of unalienable rights.

[Christopher A. Brown]

Which pretty much makes our point.

This is the system to which you would appeal to for justice.



Wrong, that is the system sincere Americans will CHANGE, with their unity from agreement upon definition of constitutional intent, so that Article V provides justice and STOPS government from violating unalienable rights.

Your misrepresentation and distortions SUCK.

I am appealing to sincere Americans to unify around constitutional principle and you with gun sack are trying to stigmatize my efforts.

[CCTelander]

Wrong, that is the system sincere Americans will CHANGE, with their unity from agreement upon definition of constitutional intent, so that Article V provides justice and STOPS violating unalienable rights.

Your misrepresentation and distortions SUCK.

I am appealing to sincere Americans to unify around constitutional principle and you with gun sack are trying to stigmatize my efforts.


For some one who claims to be seeking unity, you sure do manage to create a lot of division.

Just an observation.

[Christopher A. Brown]

For some one who claims to be seeking unity, you sure do manage to create a lot of division.

Just an observation.

Is it me creating it? When face to face with people this doesn't happen.

The impression the agents work to create is that functional concepts for unity are divisive. And given the concept of cognitive infiltration, that is logical.

Sad to see you go along with them rather than accepting that free speech has an ultimate purpose.

[Anti Federalist]

Is it me creating it? When face to face with people this doesn't happen.

The impression the agents work to create is that functional concepts for unity are divisive. And given the concept of cognitive infiltration, that is logical.

Sad to see you go along with them rather than accepting that free speech has an ultimate purpose.

Because I doubt you go around telling people to their face that they are agents and they suck while lashing out with various styles of crazy.

If you did, you'd probably get a punch in the nose.

[Occam's Banana]

Princeton Study: Congress literally doesn't care what you think

Professors Martin Gilens (Princeton University) and Benjamin I. Page (Northwestern University) looked at more than 20 years worth of data to answer a simple question: Does the government represent the people?

Their study took data from nearly 2000 public opinion surveys and compared it to the policies that ended up becoming law. In other words, they compared what the public wanted to what the government actually did. What they found was extremely unsettling: The opinions of 90% of Americans has essentially no impact at all.

[...]

Princeton University study: Public opinion has “near-zero” impact on U.S. law.

Gilens & Page found that the number of Americans for or against any idea has no impact on the likelihood that Congress will make it law.

“The preferences of the average American appear to have only a miniscule, near-zero, statistically non-significant impact upon public policy.”

[...]

Here's some corroborating evidence (not that any is really needed) straight from the horse's mouth (or other anatomical orifice):


Consider – and please share – this illuminating confession from Sen. Richard Burr (R-NC): “I think it’s clear to say (http://blogs.rollcall.com/wgdb/senate-intelligence-chairman-blasts-houses-nsa-surveillance-bill/?dcz) that the [NSA’s highly unpopular] program as designed is effective, and members [of the Senate] are reluctant to change things that are effective just because of public opinion … there’s really no compelling reason to change the structure of the program other than that the public is uncomfortable with it.” [Emphasis added. Not that it needed it. Wow.][Bold emphasis added - OB]

h/t Beck Akers @ LRC: https://www.lewrockwell.com/lrc-blog/that-loch-ness-monster-called-democracy/

[Christopher A. Brown]

Public opinion has become so divided and scattered that there is no significant majority.

The public is a herd of cats, and they were made that way intentionally within the abridging of the purpose of free speech.

To abridge the purpose the people need to be mislead so far from what is significantly valid in the perceptions of what is happening and why, that no agreement is possible which precludes any public action that the government must be wary of inciting.

There are thresholds however, and they cannot be crossed all at once. They can be pushed and skirted. After about five years, with some related calamitous event, or "grave concern" or "dominant eventuality" the threshold can be abridged.

An example would be trashing the usenet and instituting dot com. The dominant eventuality of commerce needing the first available tier of internet justified trashing the free speech of the usenet (supposedly).

This was done before a significant percentage of the population even knew what the usenet was. Less than 20% of the people I ask about it know at all what it was or represented.

Another would be 9/11. Without that calamitous event the patriot act, NDAA, NSA, TSA etc. would not have been acceptable.

At this point the purpose of free speech cannot be served to any significant degree effecting any alteration of governmental design, so why should congress and the senate pay any attention to the ineffective disunity that public gestures amount to?

They serve corporate America and the MIC and media is the servant of all three.

The covert infiltrators of web forums like it this way do refuse to agree and accept the ultimate purpose of free speech and work together to put the notion down as much as the credibly can.

[Paul Or Nothing II]

As usual, a lot of class-warfare; as if each & every person with any amount of wealth buys out government for the (subjective) "wrong" reasons.

Nonetheless, lobbying doesn't equal corruption but that's how the video seems to want to put it. For example, people lobbying for gun rights wouldn't think lobbying for it is "wrong" but those who are against gun rights might this it is.

What the video shows & yet it fails to recognize is that democratic process & voting holds miniscule power more or less to the extent of it being futile, it just gives people the false illusion that they have power when they don't, & this illusion allows the government to justify its coercion. But instead of recognizing this reality, the video asks for more futile laws & regulations to perpetrate the illusion of power of democratic voting.

Markets are obviously driven by money, so why should it surprise anybody that the government are more likely to respond favorably to legislation that is backed by more money? It's not the problem but rather the effect of the REAL problem, & the real problem is the legitimacy of government's coercive powers. If the government didn't have the power to "legally" coerce people through legislation then there would be little need for people to lobby & "corrupt" them - so the real solution to the issue is either significantly reducing or eliminating government's powers.


More confirmation that the US is an oligarchy. No different than Russia. Or China.

Actually, they are fairly different in that over there people know who makes the rules while in the US (or democratic nation-states in general), many people THINK that they can make the rules through the democratic process.
A real monarchy/oligarchy is better in that people know that if that they don't like the rules then the only options they have is either to revolt or to leave; on the other hand, democratic process provides the false hope & keeps the exploitation going on until people either start a revolt or start to leave - & thereby doing one thing that all rulers hate - undermining the power the rulers have over the people.

The more I think about it the more it seems that monarchy or oligarchy (outright ownership of land) is better than democratic nation-states ("common" ownership of land) because the latter leads to the "tragedy of the commons" that most of us free marketers know very well of.
I think it would be better if various companies or individuals bought outright control of territories from the governments & offered "residency services" to the people, whereby there would be many companies or individuals competing to serve & offer the best services to their customers at competitive prices; as it is right now, the customers (taxpayers) are getting a raw deal while the freeloaders & the governments benefit off of them.


One thing is definitely true is-- Follow the money. No money, no voice. It's sad really.

Personally, I don't think it always comes down to good or bad in every situation, I think it's more of a question of accepting the reality & working with it. Markets are driven by money, the economic world as a whole is driven largely by money, it just IS, the question really is how do we work with it to maximize liberty for maximum number of people that want liberty.

[acptulsa]

Go ahead, I don't care. Why bother to even respond if you are ignoring me? Trying to convince me that the Constitutionalists' 200+ year record of fail doesn't exist?

Giving We, the People the freedom and confirming our right to take this nation from isolated backwater colony to world superpower in 125 years is a failure?

If doing that is to fail, what nation do you point to as the success of the 1788-1913 period...?

[acptulsa]

If doing that is to fail, what nation do you point to as the success of the 1788-1913 period...?

I didn't think that was a rhetorical question...

[acptulsa]

They got information out, but facts...not so much. TJ himself lamented in his day, "The man who reads nothing at all is better educated than the man who reads nothing but newspapers".

Or your random and ill-conceived blatherings...


Also-ditch fruit juices and keep high-sugar fruit to a minimum. Those cause blood sugar to go up. I think adding fiber to fruit juices like metimucil will help, but I'm not sure.

You think diabetics should dispose of all their quickly digested sugar, so when they're minutes away of dying from a sugar crash they won't have anything on hand that can save them.

You pop off with ignorant advice which could be deadly and we're supposed to think of your opinions on how the world should be run to be carefully considered and workable? You know, you may be in love with the sound of your own voice, but most of us have never even heard it.