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Brian4Liberty
04-27-2015, 04:20 PM
Fun and games in Baltimore.

According to some reports, it appears that a lot of the looting is local teenagers organizing flash mobs on social media.

4084


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8AnYBXLbnw


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoD8YHFrRaM


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ml4863BJXEo

http://www.cnn.com/videos

http://www.cnn.com/go/?stream=CNN

http://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2015/04/27/baltimore-protests-looting.cnn/video/playlists/top-news-videos/

http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/show/cbs-baltimore-live-video/

http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/show/cbs-baltimore-live-video/

It's for the children!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvu0qK8ykSg

Local citizen stands against looters:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sN1qSRgKoU0

Obama statement on looting and arson:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-_NLBzggZE

presence
04-27-2015, 04:21 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=_5kHRQGMyC0

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CDpJAGnW8AAaTO8.jpg
baltimore cop throwing a rock at protesters


Alternate Streams

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/delotaylor?utm_campaign=JPER&utm_medium=FlashPlayer&utm_source=embed

http://www.livenewschat.eu/politics/

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/no-thiefs-allowed?utm_campaign=ustre.am&utm_source=ustre.am%2F1lbVu&utm_medium=social&utm_content=20150427153115


http://linkis.com/www.wbaltv.com/news/QfY4O


http://t.co/GAG3VhuEd7

https://t.co/ep81uHDAI3

http://t.co/QjeKiAIOOt

Natural Citizen
04-27-2015, 04:33 PM
What is interesting is that police were throwing bricks back. Of course, this kind of response serves to solicit a prescribed response. I believe that video of police throwing bricks is up at and running over at Ruptly.

jllundqu
04-27-2015, 04:39 PM
Coming to a city near you?

Dr.3D
04-27-2015, 04:41 PM
It would be pretty stupid to add more cops to the situation.

Southron
04-27-2015, 04:57 PM
It would be pretty stupid to add more cops to the situation.

How do you think they should stop the violence?

Root
04-27-2015, 05:00 PM
It would be pretty stupid to add more cops to the situation.
Standard procedure will be followed.

Dr.3D
04-27-2015, 05:05 PM
How do you think they should stop the violence?
If it's violence against cops, just get the cops out of the way and there would be no violence.

Putting them out there in lines is just asking for somebody to take a pot shot at em.

69360
04-27-2015, 05:09 PM
How do you think they should stop the violence?

Pull back and wait until they all kill each other, run out of crap to steal or get bored and move on.

Dr.3D
04-27-2015, 05:11 PM
Pull back and wait until they all kill each other, run out of crap to steal or get bored and move on.
Yeah, the police just have to show they are in control. :p

Hope they don't get surprised.

Southron
04-27-2015, 05:15 PM
All I gotta say is I wouldn't let anyone riot and tear down my community.

Brian4Liberty
04-27-2015, 05:16 PM
How do you think they should stop the violence?

Clearly it's an active threat situation. Send in the drones.


/s

TheTexan
04-27-2015, 05:20 PM
If it's violence against cops, just get the cops out of the way and there would be no violence.

Putting them out there in lines is just asking for somebody to take a pot shot at em.

Ya but that would just encourage more violence against cops, if that tactic is allowed to work.

Therefore, more violence against the civilians is necessary, to end their more violence against cops.

Barrex
04-27-2015, 05:23 PM
Reminds me of:
Blues vs Greens, 25.000-30.000 rioters were killed.


Last years of empires.

mad cow
04-27-2015, 05:24 PM
Pull back and wait until they all kill each other, run out of crap to steal or get bored and move on.

Here is The Mayor of Baltimore's take on that:


Rawlings-Blake stated:

"And I've made it very clear that I worked with the police and instructed them to do everything that they could to make sure that the protesters were able to exercise their right to free speech. It's a very delicate balancing act because while we try to make sure that they were protected from the cars, and the other things that were going on, we also gave those who wish to destroy, space to do that as well
http://www.opposingviews.com/i/society/crime/baltimore-mayor-we-gave-those-who-wished-destroy-space-do-video

69360
04-27-2015, 05:26 PM
Yeah, the police just have to show they are in control. :p

Hope they don't get surprised.

Baltimore is a war zone on good days. I'd assume the cops aren't going to take many risks to save anything from the looting and burning.


All I gotta say is I wouldn't let anyone riot and tear down my community.

My answer to that is don't live in a community where there are people that would riot.

Brian4Liberty
04-27-2015, 05:31 PM
Don't let your mother catch you out there rioting!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvu0qK8ykSg

Suzanimal
04-27-2015, 05:45 PM
Gov. declares state of emergency; activates National Guard


BALTIMORE —Gov. Larry Hogan signed an executive order Monday declaring a state of emergency and activating the National Guard.

Police officers were injured, stores were looted and fires were set Monday evening as vandals ran through Baltimore.

City police say as many as seven officers have been injured Monday afternoon in northwest Baltimore, where a large group of juveniles converged and began to throw bricks and other items at officers. The officers were injured with broken bones and cuts, and one was unresponsive.

The CVS store at North and Pennsylvania avenues was set on fire around 6:15 p.m. Police have asked motorists to avoid the area of North Avenue between Monroe Street and Druid Hill Avenue.
...

http://www.wbaltv.com/news/downtown-businesses-organizations-close-early-monday/32595778

Zippyjuan
04-27-2015, 05:46 PM
It is mostly poor who riot. People who feel they have no option.

tangent4ronpaul
04-27-2015, 05:47 PM
Cops showing up today in riot gear apparently helped spark this.
cops are not setting up roadblocks so unsuspecting people are driving into this mess.
Gov just called out the National Guard
Meme flyer if spreading promoting 24 hours of violence.
bunch of liquor stores have been looted and people are getting drunk in the street - I'm sure that will "help" the situation :rolleyes:
rioters moving toward/into good neighborhoods.
CVS totally destroyed
one homemade bomb found
several cars destroyed.

-t

tangent4ronpaul
04-27-2015, 05:52 PM
7 officers down, some have broken bones, one is unconscious.
crips are not approving of the rioting and even protected a reporter on the ground.
tear gas and pepper balls use planned

mac_hine
04-27-2015, 05:54 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=-AtsVp5_OVY&app=desktop

https://scontent-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/t31.0-8/p480x480/11174214_1052388931442513_2154140566698505115_o.jp g

https://scontent-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/p480x480/1509288_1052389054775834_4055545858775367922_n.jpg ?oh=9388553dd788bea3c934103d5ffcacba&oe=55C97806

Brian4Liberty
04-27-2015, 05:59 PM
rioters moving toward/into good neighborhoods.


LOL. Never gonna happen.

They don't even loot stores right in the middle of the riot area if the owner actually stays to defend it.

Zippyjuan
04-27-2015, 06:00 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVgHffdUPfI

tangent4ronpaul
04-27-2015, 06:03 PM
10pm-5am curfew for 1+ week for entire city of Baltimore
9pm -5am for 14 and under - permanent during school year already in effect.

All police leave cancelled and additional forces called in from other departments.

Root
04-27-2015, 06:09 PM
Overheard on Baltimore PD Special Event scanner channel:
"50-70 from Anarundel county, all swatted up"

"all officers check your aim"

PaulConventionWV
04-27-2015, 06:17 PM
All I gotta say is I wouldn't let anyone riot and tear down my community.

Nor would I, but I certainly wouldn't ask the cops to stop it for me.

Brian4Liberty
04-27-2015, 06:23 PM
According to some reports, it appears that a lot of the looting is local teenagers organizing flash mobs on social media.

AuH20
04-27-2015, 06:24 PM
Good work LBJ. Helluva job...

juleswin
04-27-2015, 06:33 PM
This is like shitting on your own doorstep. At some point you've got to come home. I have no idea what the solution is but I am 100% sure this is not it

Root
04-27-2015, 06:35 PM
Anyone have a working live stream video link?

juleswin
04-27-2015, 06:40 PM
Youtube livestream

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdcx47ZU3_0

Brian4Liberty
04-27-2015, 06:42 PM
592850883597213697

Cleaner44
04-27-2015, 06:48 PM
Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.

John F. Kennedy

Henry Rogue
04-27-2015, 06:48 PM
Krugman said this will help spur the economy.

69360
04-27-2015, 06:48 PM
I've noticed with each ghetto loot/burn less and less people defend it.

DFF
04-27-2015, 06:49 PM
This is like shitting on your own doorstep. At some point you've got to come home. I have no idea what the solution is but I am 100% sure this is not it

I concur wholeheartedly. Even if the police were guilty of murdering this guy trashing your own neighborhood is an ignorant and counterproductive response.

Anti Federalist
04-27-2015, 06:49 PM
Of course, by the numbers, 2015 is shaping up to be one of the safest years ever for cops.

https://www.odmp.org/

No so much for us Mundanes though...

http://killedbypolice.net/

AuH20
04-27-2015, 06:53 PM
Uncle Sam's kids are pissed that he ignores them and just sends money.

DFF
04-27-2015, 06:55 PM
Of course, by the numbers, 2015 is shaping up to be one of the safest years ever for cops.

https://www.odmp.org/

No so much for us Mundanes though...

http://killedbypolice.net/

AF, no doubt there is way too much police violence in the US which I condemn in the strongest sense of the word. But is stealing a Russian reporters handbag (see my thread) the proper response? Or burning down a convenience store? Two wrongs don't make a right.

Anti Federalist
04-27-2015, 07:00 PM
I concur wholeheartedly. Even if the police were guilty of murdering this guy trashing your own neighborhood is an ignorant and counterproductive response.

Does that include these guys?

http://www.teachushistory.org/files/imagecache/screen/resources/bostonmassacrebychampney.jpg

Anti Federalist
04-27-2015, 07:01 PM
AF, no doubt there is way too much police violence in the US which I condemn in the strongest sense of the word. But is stealing a Russian reporters handbag (see my thread) the proper response? Or burning down a convenience store? Two wrongs don't make a right.

That's the problem.

We talk.

Others do...even if wrong they do.

AuH20
04-27-2015, 07:01 PM
Does that include these guys?

http://www.teachushistory.org/files/imagecache/screen/resources/bostonmassacrebychampney.jpg

Those guys were grabbing sneakers and jeans too? I really wish this was a riot to get behind.

specsaregood
04-27-2015, 07:03 PM
AF, no doubt there is way too much police violence in the US which I condemn in the strongest sense of the word. But is stealing a Russian reporters handbag (see my thread) the proper response? Or burning down a convenience store? Two wrongs don't make a right.

Screw that reporter and her stupid handbag, she never should have brought it down there in the first place. She wasn't down there serving food to the homeless; she was down there attempting to help her employer profit off of other people's anger, hopelessness and shitty situation.

Brian4Liberty
04-27-2015, 07:03 PM
As all of the grown-ups talk about principals, rights, abuse and struggles, the teens are using the latest social media app to ask each other "what place we gonna hit next to get some good free shit?!"

AuH20
04-27-2015, 07:04 PM
As all of the grown-ups talk about principals, rights, abuse and struggles, the teens are using the latest social media app to ask each other "what place we gonna hit next to get some good free shit?!"

Free shit. That's what this has transformed into.

TheCount
04-27-2015, 07:04 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B3QyX9nIIAAbZjl.jpg

Hockey. Serious business.

DFF
04-27-2015, 07:05 PM
I see you managed to turn green again, Count.

Time to help you out with that.

TheCount
04-27-2015, 07:07 PM
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/.a/6a00d8341c630a53ef015392f13543970b-600wi


We'll riot if you fire a pedophile.

TheTexan
04-27-2015, 07:07 PM
As all of the grown-ups talk about principals, rights, abuse and struggles, the teens are using the latest social media app to ask each other "what place we gonna hit next to get some good free shit?!"

Yes, agreed. These random acts of illegality must be condemned. Law & Order is the fabric that holds this great country together, and it must be maintained.

Thank you, for your continued support for the laws of this great country.

Anti Federalist
04-27-2015, 07:07 PM
Those guys were grabbing sneakers and jeans too? I really wish this was a riot to get behind.

No, but when you read the accounts of the riot that caused that, you'll see they stole the 18th century equivelant: ropes, hay, livestock, silver pieces...that sort of thing.

And that most of the mob was drunk.

Dr.3D
04-27-2015, 07:08 PM
Free shit. That's what this has transformed into.
Yeah they are using it as an excuse to rob and burn down the stores.

The people doing that are not protesters, they are thieves and vandals.

Carlybee
04-27-2015, 07:08 PM
It is mostly poor who riot. People who feel they have no option.

There are a lot of poor people who don't riot and loot. There is always an option to not be an asshole.

DFF
04-27-2015, 07:08 PM
We'll riot if you fire a pedophile.

I got a better one (and mine is bigger). :)

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/04/28/01/2813123200000578-3057819-image-a-25_1430179261267.jpg

ThePaleoLibertarian
04-27-2015, 07:09 PM
Bunch of gentle giants who dindu nuffin.

TheCount
04-27-2015, 07:09 PM
I see you managed to turn green again, Count.

Time to help you out with that.

I can post those screenshots of your accounts if you'd like.

Anti Federalist
04-27-2015, 07:09 PM
Baltimore = Boston riots 1770
Bundy Ranch = Lexington and Concord 1775

AuH20
04-27-2015, 07:10 PM
No, but when you read the accounts of the riot that caused that, you'll see they stole the 18th century equivelant: ropes, hay, livestock, silver pieces...that sort of thing.

And that most of the mob was drunk.

Those items all have functional uses. Sneakers and jeans are mere garb made in some Asian sweatshop as opposed to something valuable.
If I have the choice of grabbing a generator or a firearm, I'm not going to take designer jeans and limited edition Nikes. Their priorities are so effed up, I don't know where to start. Fashion slaves that live in closets. C'mon.

TheTexan
04-27-2015, 07:11 PM
Yeah they are using it as an excuse to rob and burn down the stores.

The people doing that are not protesters, they are thieves and vandals.

Yes, not to mention, this lawness invites further lawlessness. If there's enough lawlessness going around, eventually someone will muster the misguided courage to start attacking police officers. And we certainly wouldn't want that; these brave officers have a dangerous enough job as it is.

TheTexan
04-27-2015, 07:12 PM
I got a better one (and mine is bigger). :)

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/04/28/01/2813123200000578-3057819-image-a-25_1430179261267.jpg

It saddens me immensely to see these people have so little regard for Law & Order.

TheCount
04-27-2015, 07:15 PM
I got a better one (and mine is bigger). :)

Your comparison is shit. It's right there in the pictures. Wrecked cop car vs. wrecked news van.


The recent riots in Boston and Baltimore arose from grievances against the state

The white riots I posted occurred for no legitimate reason whatsoever


You can pretend that those two are equivalent if you want, but you're just going to end up looking even stupider than normal.

mad cow
04-27-2015, 07:23 PM
Shots fired at the liquor store.

Dispatcher just rattled off about 5 silent alarms going off.

AuH20
04-27-2015, 07:23 PM
Camerman assaulted

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CDoubIiWMAE5u2a.jpg

AuH20
04-27-2015, 07:24 PM
Liquor Store being looted. Please no jokes.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CDokt5rW8AAga3r.jpg:large

AuH20
04-27-2015, 07:25 PM
Nation of Islam Trying To Dissuade Looting Mob

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CDoZa4mWYAA62ZW.jpg

DFF
04-27-2015, 07:27 PM
Camerman assaulted

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CDoubIiWMAE5u2a.jpg

Just awful. Hopefully no one gets seriously injured like Reginald Denny back in 1992 when he was nearly beaten to death.

Uriel999
04-27-2015, 07:28 PM
April 29th 1992 there was a riot in the streets tell me were where you?

invisible
04-27-2015, 07:28 PM
http://countercurrentnews.com/2015/04/baltimore-bloods-and-crips-call-truce/


In a move reminiscent of the Los Angeles gang truce during the Rodney King protests, Baltimore area Bloods and Crips have agreed to put aside their rivalry and focus on fighting rogue police officers.

Last Saturday, both Bloods and Crips marched side by side in the Baltimore rallies against police brutality. Putting aside differences, both groups united in one voice to demand “Justice for Freddie Grey.”


Reports among members indicate that members of the Nation of Islam organization brokered the truce, much the same as happened in Los Angeles two decades ago.

“I can say with honesty those brothers demonstrated they can be united for a common good,” Carlos Muhammad, a minister at Nation of Islam’s Mosque No. 6 said.

“At the rally, they made the call that they must be united on that day. It should be commended,” he continued.

“We can unite and stop killing one another, and the Bloods and the Crips can help rebuild their community,” Muhammad said in an interview with the The Daily Beast.

A community organizer, DeRay McKesson, confirmed the ceasefire between the groups.

Nation of Islam is huge in Baltimore. At virtually every major intersection, there is always some guy standing around in a cheap polyester suit selling sweet potato pies and copies of The Final Call.

mac_hine
04-27-2015, 07:29 PM
That's the problem.

We talk.

Others do...even if wrong they do.

Then how about storm the castle? March down to the nearest police precinct and start slitting throats. That's something I could get behind. Looting local businesses and destroying private property is at the very least myopic, and more than likely a bunch of opportunistic barbarian thugs taking what they can get.

invisible
04-27-2015, 07:31 PM
Then how about storm the castle? March down to the nearest police precinct and start slitting throats. That's something I could get behind. Looting local businesses and destroying private property is at the very least myopic, and more than likely a bunch of opportunistic barbarian thugs taking what they can get.

It sounds like exactly that may be happening, see my post above yours.

mad cow
04-27-2015, 07:31 PM
Momford&Monument SWAT team w/ a Bearcat moving in.

tangent4ronpaul
04-27-2015, 07:31 PM
rioting and arson now on the east side.

I want to say I heard this wrong, but the news guy just said they were calling up 500,000 cops from other states in the eastern US and a similar number of NG troops. This is after they pulled in cops from the rest of the state and deployed the state NG... WTF!
local schools are also closed tomorrow at least.

AuH20
04-27-2015, 07:33 PM
West Baltimore has been a powderkeg for years. This could go on for days.

mac_hine
04-27-2015, 07:34 PM
Shots fired at the liquor store.

Dispatcher just rattled off about 5 silent alarms going off.


"First spot we hit it was my liquor store
I finally got all that alcohol I can't afford"

Dr.3D
04-27-2015, 07:34 PM
rioting and arson now on the east side.

I want to say I heard this wrong, but the news guy just said they were calling up 500,000 cops from other states in the eastern US and a similar number of NG troops. This is after they pulled in cops from the rest of the state and deployed the state NG... WTF!
local schools are also closed tomorrow at least.
Well, you know how it is.... ya never have enough cops when you are dealing with people who are having problems with cops.

Anti Federalist
04-27-2015, 07:35 PM
Those items all have functional uses. Sneakers and jeans are mere garb made in some Asian sweatshop as opposed to something valuable.
I'm sure I can read through the books and find that art, rum, and other trinkets were stolen as well.

Brian4Liberty
04-27-2015, 07:37 PM
Yes, agreed. These random acts of illegality must be condemned. Law & Order is the fabric that holds this great country together, and it must be maintained.

Thank you, for your continued support for the laws of this great country.

Nothing says f*ck the Police like looting and robbing your mom and pop neighbors...

Anti Federalist
04-27-2015, 07:38 PM
Then how about storm the castle? March down to the nearest police precinct and start slitting throats. That's something I could get behind. Looting local businesses and destroying private property is at the very least myopic, and more than likely a bunch of opportunistic barbarian thugs taking what they can get.

Don't even have to. Besides, didn't we see a wrecked cop car?

http://www.alloutdoor.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/bundy-ranch.png

invisible
04-27-2015, 07:39 PM
West Baltimore has been a powderkeg for years. This could go on for days.

What specific part of the west side are you talking about, exactly? I used to live on the west side, and my neighborhood was very peacefully integrated. By all means, name some west side neighborhoods that can be described as a "powderkeg".

invisible
04-27-2015, 07:40 PM
Don't even have to. Besides, didn't we see a wrecked cop car?

There has been more than one. Perhaps this time around, people for the most part are realizing who the real enemy is.

tangent4ronpaul
04-27-2015, 07:44 PM
West Baltimore has been a powderkeg for years. This could go on for days.

No kidding! Anyone remember MOVE in Philly? West Baltimore is solid row houses...

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4651126

At 5:30 that evening, a Philadelphia police helicopter dropped a bomb onto the roof of the house in an effort to drive MOVE members out.

Accounts differ on why the fire wasn't snuffed out, despite the dozen fire trucks surrounding the block. Ramona Africa, the sole surviving adult in the house, says police fired on MOVE members as they tried to escape the burning house. Police say the MOVE members ran in and out of the house firing at them. Police ordered their officers and fire fighters to stay back. What is clear is that four hours later, 61 houses on the block were gone, and everyone inside the MOVE house, except for Ramona Africa and a 13-year-old boy, was dead.

http://media.npr.org/programs/atc/features/2005/may/move/burnt200-34b3881a630eec7937b0a9b96e7907a66b2851d8-s400-c85.jpg

AuH20
04-27-2015, 07:45 PM
What specific part of the west side are you talking about, exactly? I used to live on the west side, and my neighborhood was very peacefully integrated. By all means, name some west side neighborhoods that can be described as a "powderkeg".

Sandtown-Winchester.

Root
04-27-2015, 07:45 PM
"Handguns in the crowds"

"Shots fired in the Northwest"

presence
04-27-2015, 07:46 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CDpJAGnW8AAaTO8.jpg
baltimore cop throwing a rock at protesters

mad cow
04-27-2015, 07:49 PM
Cop just rattled off 4 separate areas where looting is going on.

Brian4Liberty
04-27-2015, 07:50 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sN1qSRgKoU0

invisible
04-27-2015, 08:02 PM
Sandtown-Winchester.

That has always been the worst of the west side neighborhoods. But how exactly is it a "powderkeg"? I don't ever remember anything happening there, that didn't also happen elsewhere in the city as well. There was no more racial tension there, than elsewhere. I've spent time in just about every part of the west side, including Sandtown-Winchester, and never had any problems. I lived within walking distance to there, and one friend of mine lived even closer, and never had any problems.

Brian4Liberty
04-27-2015, 08:02 PM
Burned down a brand new senior center that was built by a church. That will show those Police!

AuH20
04-27-2015, 08:04 PM
That has always been the worst of the west side neighborhoods. But how exactly is it a "powderkeg"? I don't ever remember anything happening there, that didn't also happen elsewhere in the city as well. There was no more racial tension there, than elsewhere. I've spent time in just about every part of the west side, including Sandtown-Winchester, and never had any problems. I lived within walking distance to there, and one friend of mine lived even closer, and never had any problems.

It's been blighted since the 1960s. And with the Bloods and Crips dominating that area, it's not exactly a shock when this termite hill is disturbed.

tangent4ronpaul
04-27-2015, 08:07 PM
Just something to think about. This rioting and looting was organized with social media apps on smart phones?

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?473624-White-House-Pushes-to-Keep-Power-to-Shut-Down-Cellphone-Networks
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/crime/blog/bs-md-ci-stingray-new-disclosures-20150420-story.html

Police outlined for the first time this month their usage of the stingray, pegging it at more than 4,300 times — a figure experts called a "huge number" compared to a trickle of disclosures in other cities.

So anyone that used social media as part of this is prety screwed, but at the same time the cops let it happen and apparently just tracked them.

on a more positive note, it's wet and I think more rain is coming.

15 officers injured
27+ arrested

staerker
04-27-2015, 08:09 PM
I don't know much about what's going on in Baltimore. But I do know that it has nothing to do with sneakers or alcohol.

The mind thinks more clearly when untainted by the State-run media.

Pauls' Revere
04-27-2015, 08:10 PM
Good work LBJ. Helluva job...

+ rep.

invisible
04-27-2015, 08:11 PM
It's been blighted since the 1960s. And with the Bloods and Crips dominating that area, it's not exactly a shock when this termite hill is disturbed.

It's been blighted a lot longer than that, actually. Probably the most run down and least maintained neighborhood in the entire city. That doesn't make it a powderkeg, though. I would argue that if anyplace in Baltimore is a powderkeg, it would be in more integrated neighborhoods where integration hasn't been so peaceful, like perhaps Remmington or the area just north of the NW corner of Patterson Park. Lots more racial tension in those two areas than about anywhere on the west side.

invisible
04-27-2015, 08:13 PM
Just something to think about. This rioting and looting was organized with social media apps on smart phones?

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?473624-White-House-Pushes-to-Keep-Power-to-Shut-Down-Cellphone-Networks
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/crime/blog/bs-md-ci-stingray-new-disclosures-20150420-story.html

Police outlined for the first time this month their usage of the stingray, pegging it at more than 4,300 times — a figure experts called a "huge number" compared to a trickle of disclosures in other cities.

So anyone that used social media as part of this is prety screwed, but at the same time the cops let it happen and apparently just tracked them.

on a more positive note, it's wet and I think more rain is coming.

15 officers injured
27+ arrested

Seen any accurate total of how many cop cars have been destroyed, or reports of significant attacks against cop shops, city hall, etc?

AuH20
04-27-2015, 08:16 PM
It's been blighted a lot longer than that, actually. Probably the most run down and least maintained neighborhood in the entire city. That doesn't make it a powderkeg, though. I would argue that if anyplace in Baltimore is a powderkeg, it would be in more integrated neighborhoods where integration hasn't been so peaceful, like perhaps Remmington or the area just north of the NW corner of Patterson Park. Lots more racial tension in those two areas than about anywhere on the west side.

My point being that this concentration in Sandtown is relatively self-contained until events like this.

AuH20
04-27-2015, 08:17 PM
I don't know much about what's going on in Baltimore. But I do know that it has nothing to do with sneakers or alcohol.

The mind thinks more clearly when untainted by the State-run media.

It started off as a protest and transformed into that.

TheCount
04-27-2015, 08:17 PM
That has always been the worst of the west side neighborhoods. But how exactly is it a "powderkeg"?

H20 is a self-admitted racist and segregationist. Anyplace that is primarily nonwhite is a dangerous hub of badness to him.

mad cow
04-27-2015, 08:19 PM
People holding hostages in a liquor store fled in a car,chopper in pursuit,asking for assistance,Another liquor store being looted elsewhere.

AuH20
04-27-2015, 08:21 PM
H20 is a self-admitted racist and segregationist. Anyplace that is primarily nonwhite is a dangerous hub of badness to him.

Racist? That's news to me. And yes, I don't believe in forced integration by state handlers. I also believe in black communities cutting their umbilical cord from the usual suspects. Get out of the cities. There is only poison and murder there for black folks.

invisible
04-27-2015, 08:23 PM
My point being that this concentration in Sandtown is relatively self-contained until events like this.

Not really. There isn't anything going on there that doesn't occur elsewhere over most of the west side, and large portions of the east side too. Then you also have to consider places like Cherry Hill, the Tall Trees area in Essex, and the Moravia Rd area. It isn't exactly self contained by any means, it's widespread.

Natural Citizen
04-27-2015, 08:24 PM
How do you think they should stop the violence?

Muskets. ;)

phill4paul
04-27-2015, 08:24 PM
Did anyone burn a corrupt prostitutor's home to the ground? Quit rioting in the wrong neighborhoods.

tangent4ronpaul
04-27-2015, 08:26 PM
Seen any accurate total of how many cop cars have been destroyed, or reports of significant attacks against cop shops, city hall, etc?

I've seen video of two cop cars totaled and the other thread about a gunman trying to attack a precinct, but otherwise no.

mad cow
04-27-2015, 08:27 PM
Looting at Footlocker and Ace Hardware.

tod evans
04-27-2015, 08:29 PM
Did anyone burn a corrupt prostitutor's home to the ground? Quit rioting in the wrong neighborhoods.

Who can tweeter/skype these folks?

If they're runnin' off social media they could sure use some steering......

JK/SEA
04-27-2015, 08:29 PM
what i don't understand is how this all started...

invisible
04-27-2015, 08:31 PM
Did anyone burn a corrupt prostitutor's home to the ground? Quit rioting in the wrong neighborhoods.

They need to go visit o'malley and schmoke's houses. henson's, too.

Natural Citizen
04-27-2015, 08:31 PM
Ben Swann has had the best live feeds that I've seen all week. http://rt.com/on-air/rt-america-air/

Well...technically, he's been the only real source of reporting from the ground during what were previously peaceful protests going on. We didn't see the mainstream media come out of the woodwork until these rioters and looters started today. We didn't see mainstream reporting during peaceful protests at all, in fact. And, so, these rioters really are helping the media to discredit those who protested peacefully during the week. The cable news entertainment programs are going to want to focus on the violence and destruction of this group of rioters.

invisible
04-27-2015, 08:32 PM
what i don't understand is how this all started...

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?472873-MD-Cops-arrest-healthy-man-hours-later-he-is-near-death-in-ICU-likely-got-a-quot-nickel-ride-quot

tangent4ronpaul
04-27-2015, 08:36 PM
Looting at Footlocker and Ace Hardware.

There is a Footlocker? - dang, should have gotten out earlier. Guess no air jordans for me :( j/k :rolleyes:

Ace Hardware actually concerns me more than say a gun store getting looted.

cindy25
04-27-2015, 08:36 PM
at some point these riots will go nationwide, and the governor who handles them best will be VP. (Coolidge, Agnew)

AuH20
04-27-2015, 08:37 PM
So freaking awesome.

https://twitter.com/SputnikNewsUS/status/592820850711207938

Root
04-27-2015, 08:37 PM
Did anyone burn a corrupt prostitutor's home to the ground? Quit rioting in the wrong neighborhoods.
That's what I'm saying. Burn cop cars, police stations, court houses. Looting makes no sense.

juleswin
04-27-2015, 08:43 PM
Looting at Footlocker and Ace Hardware.

I would loot Ace if I was there. They are going to be doing a shit load of home improvement after this. That's if there's still any home left to improve.

mad cow
04-27-2015, 08:44 PM
Dispatcher just called for One Adam 12. LOL

amy31416
04-27-2015, 08:45 PM
Thank God I don't live there anymore.

AuH20
04-27-2015, 08:47 PM
Interesting...


UPDATE: 4:30 PM: The niece of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. blasted Mayor Rawlings-Blake for “inviting violence” into Baltimore in a letter obtained by Breitbart News.

Your invitation to “give space for those who want to destroy” is unbelievable. This interpretation of rights to free speech is dangerous Ma’am.

In 1963, my father Rev. AD King, after the firebombing of our home in Birmingham, Alabama, urged hostile protestors to abandon violence and turn to God in prayer instead. Thank God they listened to him, and the even greater voice of his brother, my Uncle MLK, during those turbulent days.

Now, you are inviting violence to your city? Who, Ma’am, will incur the moral and economic costs of picking up the pieces? The innocent taxpayers?

We at www.restorethedream2015.com are very concerned. Ma’am, people are not entitled to pillage and destroy. That is just plain wrong. Our affiliates on the ground in Baltimore are willing to help quell the violent tide. And make no mistake about it; something must be done to save our cities.

How did we get here? Where do we go now? Think about this: Baltimore 1965 vs. Baltimore 2015, compare and contrast:

1. Money spent on public schools then vs. now.

2. Amount spent on social welfare payments then vs. now.

3. The size of Government Bureaucracy then vs. now.

4. The number of black elected officials then vs. now.

5. Number of black children born in Baltimore to an intact nuclear family.

6. Number of Black lives MIA by abortion and incarceration.

If you look at all six questions/comparisons what you will see is the only statistics to have decreased (1965 to 2015) is the number of black children born in intact nuclear families.

Something is wrong. We must stop the killing and advance the healing now!

phill4paul
04-27-2015, 08:48 PM
That's what I'm saying. Burn cop cars, police stations, court houses. Looting makes no sense.

Opportunists aren't revolutionaries. That's the trouble. Everyone is an opportunist, so few are revolutionaries. Fug'em. I'd shoot them dead if they came to my property seeking opportunism through destruction and theft.

Brian4Liberty
04-27-2015, 08:50 PM
People holding hostages in a liquor store fled in a car,chopper in pursuit,asking for assistance,Another liquor store being looted elsewhere.

Hostages? That definitely means the drones will be coming.

Brian4Liberty
04-27-2015, 08:54 PM
Just something to think about. This rioting and looting was organized with social media apps on smart phones?

So anyone that used social media as part of this is prety screwed, but at the same time the cops let it happen and apparently just tracked them.


The "solution" to this will be shutting down the cell phone networks. They have already used that in SF against "flash" protests.

ghengis86
04-27-2015, 08:56 PM
The "solution" to this will be shutting down the cell phone networks. They have already used that in SF against "flash" protests.

It's almost like all these police state tools are in place, ready for a moment like this...

Root
04-27-2015, 08:56 PM
Opportunists aren't revolutionaries. That's the trouble. Everyone is an opportunist, so few are revolutionaries. Fug'em. I'd shoot them dead if they came to my property seeking opportunism through destruction and theft.
a friend of mine lives about 30 miles north of Baltimore. He already texted me that he'll be sleeping next to his AR15 tonight.

but you're right. This country needs more revolutionaries.

Natural Citizen
04-27-2015, 08:57 PM
Wow. They just said that they're enacting 5000 National Guard and 5000 additional police.

phill4paul
04-27-2015, 08:59 PM
Wow. They just said that they're enacting 5000 National Guard and 5000 additional police.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LH-QwK4v0ZI

Root
04-27-2015, 08:59 PM
Wow. They just said that they're enacting 5000 National Guard and 5000 additional police.
Moar Kops just following orders!

Origanalist
04-27-2015, 09:00 PM
Wow. They just said that they're enacting 5000 National Guard and 5000 additional police.

Surprise, surprise.

Christopher A. Brown
04-27-2015, 09:00 PM
It's almost like all these police state tools are in place, ready for a moment like this...

They want it so they can move towards Marshall law. That's why they are killing people to trigger riots.

That's why covert infiltrations here mock an an agreement that unifies around the purpose of free speech as constitutional intent,

AuH20
04-27-2015, 09:00 PM
These cities are potential death traps in the long run. All the cops in the world aren't going to keep the lid on this pot when it blows. It's going to boil over into the suburbs. And it's the goddamn fed's fault for destroying these people's lives and having them revert back to a primal state.

Danke
04-27-2015, 09:01 PM
Two words: Predator Drones.

Natural Citizen
04-27-2015, 09:01 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LH-QwK4v0ZI

Meh. This is more my style. Heh...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5f2X_j7eIs


Of course, I don't condone all of this just for the record. :cool:

mad cow
04-27-2015, 09:03 PM
Shots fired,Urban&Federal.

Danke
04-27-2015, 09:03 PM
They want it so they can move towards Marshall law. That's why they are killing people to trigger riots.

That's why covert infiltrations here mock an an agreement that unifies around the purpose of free speech as constitutional intent,

Cue AF.

Christopher A. Brown
04-27-2015, 09:04 PM
It saddens me immensely to see these people have so little regard for Law & Order.

It saddens me immensely to see a forum of a Americans that cannot agree and accept the purpose of free speech as enabling unity adequate to alter or abolish government destructive to unalienable rights .

Austrian Econ Disciple
04-27-2015, 09:05 PM
I lived in Cecil County for 6 years (45 min or so from Baltimore), and whenever we'd go to Baltimore, it was mostly understood that the inner harbor and Camden Yards was about as far in as you wanted to go. Baltimore has been near or at the top of homicide rates forever now, and there's a reason why a ton of cop shows used Baltimore. It's just a total shit hole of a place. A bunch of my old friends back home (Cecil County is hickville that is like 95% white) are all ready arming up just in case. They've turned legitimate grievance into a means by which they can be marginalized. These people are so stupid.

phill4paul
04-27-2015, 09:06 PM
Of course, I don't condone all of this just for the record. :cool:

Nor do I. But, watch out, you might get what you're after...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u06DpcFXc4U

AuH20
04-27-2015, 09:12 PM
I lived in Cecil County for 6 years (45 min or so from Baltimore), and whenever we'd go to Baltimore, it was mostly understood that the inner harbor and Camden Yards was about as far in as you wanted to go. Baltimore has been near or at the top of homicide rates forever now, and there's a reason why a ton of cop shows used Baltimore. It's just a total shit hole of a place. A bunch of my old friends back home (Cecil County is hickville that is like 95% white) are all ready arming up just in case. They've turned legitimate grievance into a means by which they can be marginalized. These people are so stupid.

Baltimore is regarded as the heroin capital of the U.S.

DFF
04-27-2015, 09:12 PM
These cities are potential death traps in the long run. All the cops in the world aren't going to keep the lid on this pot when it blows. It's going to boil over into the suburbs.

Historically there has been safety in the cities...but in the future, safety may be found only in the countryside. Perhaps even in another country.

mad cow
04-27-2015, 09:13 PM
Chopper is following a pickup loaded with stuff after leaving a Rite-Aid.

mad cow
04-27-2015, 09:16 PM
Some 7/11 just had the front window busted out.

Pericles
04-27-2015, 09:17 PM
That's the problem.

We talk.

Others do...even if wrong they do.

“To be is to do - Socrates

To do is to be - Sartre

Do Be Do Be Do - Sinatra”
― Kurt Vonnegut (https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/2778055.Kurt_Vonnegut)

Which explains why we are where we are.

phill4paul
04-27-2015, 09:17 PM
Historically there has been safety in the cities...

You are quite daft. Carry on.

Slutter McGee
04-27-2015, 09:17 PM
They want it so they can move towards Marshall law. That's why they are killing people to trigger riots.

Marshall Law lol. If you want people to take you seriously....its called Martial Law. Just FYI. And yes the elites obviously caused this lol.

Come on people.

Slutter McGee

mad cow
04-27-2015, 09:18 PM
3 people inside of Apache liquors.

DFF
04-27-2015, 09:19 PM
The things that the Japanese did in Indochina and Philippines would make our skin crawl

Those Japanese during WWII were some right brutal bastards. To this day the Chinese still hate them from all the atrocities they committed.

Christopher A. Brown
04-27-2015, 09:19 PM
what i don't understand is how this all started...

When there is no functional unity, those who are angry settle for dysfunctional unity.

We all pay for it in numerous ways.

phill4paul
04-27-2015, 09:21 PM
Marshall Law lol. If you want people to take you seriously....its called Martial Law. Just FYI. And yes the elites obviously caused this lol.

Come on people.

Slutter McGee

Spelling errors aside..do you deny that the "elites" have created this situation? If not you are willfully naive and a part of the problem.

tangent4ronpaul
04-27-2015, 09:21 PM
I lived in Cecil County for 6 years (45 min or so from Baltimore), and whenever we'd go to Baltimore, it was mostly understood that the inner harbor and Camden Yards was about as far in as you wanted to go. Baltimore has been near or at the top of homicide rates forever now, and there's a reason why a ton of cop shows used Baltimore. It's just a total shit hole of a place. A bunch of my old friends back home (Cecil County is hickville that is like 95% white) are all ready arming up just in case. They've turned legitimate grievance into a means by which they can be marginalized. These people are so stupid.

Agree, I rarely go into Baltimore and I know a number of professionals that refuse to step foot in the city also.

The senior retirement facility is definitely being called arson. I bet some developers are behind it. The churches bus was also burned, some row houses and the church was buying up vacant properties for low cost housing. Some vermin are afoot!

-t

DFF
04-27-2015, 09:23 PM
Things are really getting out of hand....perhaps a Ben Bernanke style helicopter drop of welfare checks is in order...this would probably be a lot less costly than a cat 5 riot which is looking more and more likely by the minute.

http://www.a-w-i-p.com/media/blogs/articles/Articles5/bernanke-drops-money-from-helicopters_71_fli.jpg

aGameOfThrones
04-27-2015, 09:24 PM
We need to unite and collectively burn down PDs, court houses, DMVs, etc...



note to gov monitor: LOL JK note serious

Christopher A. Brown
04-27-2015, 09:24 PM
Ben Swann has had the best live feeds that I've seen all week. http://rt.com/on-air/rt-america-air/

Well...technically, he's been the only real source of reporting from the ground during what were previously peaceful protests going on. We didn't see the mainstream media come out of the woodwork until these rioters and looters started today. We didn't see mainstream reporting during peaceful protests at all, in fact. And, so, these rioters really are helping the media to discredit those who protested peacefully during the week. The cable news entertainment programs are going to want to focus on the violence and destruction of this group of rioters.

It's a setup to justify escalation to military levels of crowd supression.

Posters here that are spectators that also do not work for unity possible to conduct a lawful peaceful revolution are the passive side of the same problem we see in the streets of Baltimore.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?471555-A-lawful-and-peaceful-revolution

mad cow
04-27-2015, 09:25 PM
Family Dollar getting looted.

phill4paul
04-27-2015, 09:26 PM
Agree, I rarely go into Baltimore and I know a number of professionals that refuse to step foot in the city also.

The senior retirement facility is definitely being called arson. I bet some developers are behind it. The churches bus was also burned, some row houses and the church was buying up vacant properties for low cost housing. Some vermin are afoot!

-t

My ex is from "MultiBore." I courted. Always came armed. Always conducted myself as a sovereign. Never had trouble. The city was loopy. As all cities are.

aGameOfThrones
04-27-2015, 09:26 PM
Family Dollar getting looted.

They deserved it for raising prices....

Brian4Liberty
04-27-2015, 09:29 PM
These cities are potential death traps in the long run. All the cops in the world aren't going to keep the lid on this pot when it blows. It's going to boil over into the suburbs. And it's the goddamn fed's fault for destroying these people's lives and having them revert back to a primal state.

And people in the city tend to be dependent on the Police for protection. People will take it into their own hands in the suburbs. In the country they are pretty much self sufficient.

mad cow
04-27-2015, 09:37 PM
Full engulf fire on Monument,starting to roll,surrounded by other buildings.

HVACTech
04-27-2015, 09:39 PM
Cue AF.

nice call.

r3volution 3.0
04-27-2015, 09:49 PM
They should have called in the national guard hours ago and cleared the streets.

I have zero sympathy for a rioting mob.

Bullets are cheaper than food stamps.

Pericles
04-27-2015, 09:49 PM
at some point these riots will go nationwide, and the governor who handles them best will be VP. (Coolidge, Agnew)

Automatic weapons tend to put a stop to shit real quick.

mad cow
04-27-2015, 09:50 PM
Chopper was directing cop cars to a mob.Dispatch asked did they get them?Chopper says yeah,one out of fifty.

AuH20
04-27-2015, 09:53 PM
Since America is allegedly exceptional, I'm still waiting for an exceptional riot. Don't disappoint me, people of Baltimore. I want to see bridges felled...

Schifference
04-27-2015, 09:55 PM
Why must a pedestrian "back up"?

Root
04-27-2015, 09:56 PM
Reports of a lion from the city zoo on the loose.

Schifference
04-27-2015, 09:56 PM
If you lived in Baltimore would you comply with the curfew?

phill4paul
04-27-2015, 09:58 PM
Since America is allegedly exceptional, I'm still waiting for an exceptional riot. Don't disappoint me, people of Baltimore. I want to see bridges felled...

I'd like to see something truly exceptional...property damage to government offices or officials as opposed to citizen business owners. Both of us are in for disappointment.

phill4paul
04-27-2015, 09:59 PM
If you lived in Baltimore would you comply with the curfew?

No.

Schifference
04-27-2015, 09:59 PM
All the property damage should be insured.

Schifference
04-27-2015, 10:00 PM
Would You "move back"?

AuH20
04-27-2015, 10:00 PM
All the property damage should be insured.

Not necessarily. A fair share of the damage that occurred in Ferguson fell outside the general policy parameters.

phill4paul
04-27-2015, 10:01 PM
Why must a pedestrian "back up"?

Because a pedestrian doesn't arm themselves, get together with like minded individuals, and walk their own way.

Pericles
04-27-2015, 10:06 PM
I'd like to see something truly exceptional...property damage to government offices or officials as opposed to citizen business owners. Both of us are in for disappointment.

What is in a government office worth stealing?

mad cow
04-27-2015, 10:07 PM
Reports of a lion from the city zoo on the loose.

According to dispatch,That was a picture from 2 years ago,a hoax.

Corky's Liquor store being looted.

Schifference
04-27-2015, 10:07 PM
The world is a much better place since Obama became president. Hope & change. Racial tensions diminished.

DFF
04-27-2015, 10:07 PM
This is more than just a riot. It's integration falling to pieces in real-time.

Before it's all over, just to stop the violence, the government may be forced to step in and essentially reimplement segregation.

Just like Yugoslavia, the US could wind up balkanized.

aGameOfThrones
04-27-2015, 10:07 PM
What is in a government office worth stealing?

a job

Schifference
04-27-2015, 10:08 PM
Obama should get a nobel prize

AuH20
04-27-2015, 10:08 PM
The world is a much better place since Obama became president. Hope & change. Racial tensions diminished.

The racial tension and plight has always been percolating under the surface in these lost communities for decades, but certain powers have recently called them forth of late.

Bastiat's The Law
04-27-2015, 10:08 PM
http://i.imgur.com/Ux7Zs0i.jpg

tangent4ronpaul
04-27-2015, 10:12 PM
If you lived in Baltimore would you comply with the curfew?

With the city on lockdown and a cop on just about every corner and the following ground rules:
On your way to work - walk
On your way back from work - walk
Medical emergency - can I offer you an escort to the ER?
else
JAIL!

Hell, yeah, comply! - then plan a spontaneous camping trip first thing in the morning...

But I don't live in Baltimore city and avoid the place.

Looks like they hit Fells points and several bars are down for the count. The college kids are going to be PISSED!

-t

AuH20
04-27-2015, 10:12 PM
Did anyone see the footage of the car spinning out of control on a city block and slamming into a stray washing machine out in the middle of the street? It's pretty funny.

NorthCarolinaLiberty
04-27-2015, 10:14 PM
The recent riots in Boston and Baltimore arose from grievances against the state




You are one of this forum's extreme progressives trying to go undetected here. Instead of being on this site trying to thwart Rand's campaign, why don't you work with all the black people you so seemingly cherish? Yes, people have grievances against the state, but the answer for progressives like you is--yes, more state!

You like to pretend this is all about race. You want to appease your own selfish ego while having more government. YOU are part of the problem.




H20 is a self-admitted racist and segregationist.

See my post above. Your technique here is this kind of shilling.

You progressives like to pretend you're not prejudiced. You talk a good game, but go home to your white neighborhoods. At least I know where I stand with the KKK. Your game is phony all the way around.

phill4paul
04-27-2015, 10:14 PM
What is in a government office worth stealing?

Nothing worth stealing. You are correct. Nothing for opportunists. For revolutionaries there is a property seizure. Now that would be something to get exited about.

TheTexan
04-27-2015, 10:15 PM
Do they have a permit for these riots?

Natural Citizen
04-27-2015, 10:16 PM
Do they have a permit for these riots?


It's all about taking action and not being lazy. So you do the work, whether it's fitness or whatever. It's about getting up, motivating yourself and just doing it.

- Kim Kardashian

torchbearer
04-27-2015, 10:18 PM
Concerning the cause of rising tensions between law enforcement and the people:
"No society can exist unless the laws are respected to a certain
degree, but the safest way to make them respected is
to make them respectable.
When law and morality are in contradiction to each other, the citizen finds himself in the cruel alternative of either losing his moral sense, or of
losing his respect for the law—two evils of equal magnitude,
between which it would be difficult to choose."
-Bastiat, The Law
- I come across two kinds of people in our society of immoral laws, those who have lost all moral sense by holding allegiance to immoral laws, or those who become agorist in an attempt to keep morality in an empire of immoral laws.
as the distance between morality and enforced law becomes greater, the more friction will be seen between the people and those who enforce immoral laws.

AuH20
04-27-2015, 10:20 PM
This is what I call Riot Control. LOL

http://i.imgur.com/ZfUCxXO.gif

r3volution 3.0
04-27-2015, 10:20 PM
The people doing this are not a real threat to law and order.

They're a bunch of assholes with sticks and stones; maybe 1 in 50 has a .32 caliber Midnight Special.

The problem is that the authorities refuse to deal with them. They could be cleared out in 30 minutes if the mayor weren't a poof.

"Baltimore Mayor Stephanie Rawlings-Blake said her city government “gave those who wished to destroy space to do that..."

WTF?!

The technical term for this is anarcho-tyranny - "tyranny" for all the usual reasons that government is fucking us, "anarcho" because they simultaneously fail to perform their one legitimate function (protection of life and property).

FUBAR

phill4paul
04-27-2015, 10:21 PM
Concerning the cause of rising tensions between law enforcement and the people:
"No society can exist unless the laws are respected to a certain
degree, but the safest way to make them respected is
to make them respectable.
When law and morality are in contradiction to each other, the citizen finds himself in the cruel alternative of either losing his moral sense, or of
losing his respect for the law—two evils of equal magnitude,
between which it would be difficult to choose."
-Bastiat, The Law
- I come across two kinds of people in our society of immoral laws, those who have lost all moral sense by holding allegiance to immoral laws, or those who become agorist in an attempt to keep morality in an empire of immoral laws.
as the distance between morality and enforced law becomes greater, the more friction will be seen between the people and those who enforce immoral laws.


"the subject will exclaim, 'it is immaterial to me whether I behave well or ill, for virtue itself is no security.'" - John Adams

presence
04-27-2015, 10:23 PM
This is what I call Riot Control. LOL

wtf is that? source?

Danke
04-27-2015, 10:23 PM
Do they have a permit for these riots?

From the lack of police crackdown and the mayor's words and actions, I would believe they do.

AuH20
04-27-2015, 10:25 PM
wtf is that? source?

I think a mother came home, found her son partaking in the 'activities' (notice his clothing?) and proceeded to whoop his ass. WMAR is the local ABC affiliate in Baltimore.

https://twitter.com/wsoctv/status/592874942804418561/photo/1

Christopher A. Brown
04-27-2015, 10:25 PM
Spelling errors aside..do you deny that the "elites" have created this situation? If not you are willfully naive and a part of the problem.

Yea, really, spelling at a time like this, gotta wonder how lame an agent can be.

The elites have been manipulating the populations and economy towards this for 25 years.
Notice partisan politics is silent. They want martial law too. Divide the people into the elite and the slave classes.

phill4paul
04-27-2015, 10:26 PM
The people doing this are not a real threat to law and order.

They're a bunch of assholes with sticks and stones; maybe 1 in 50 has a .32 caliber Midnight Special.

The problem is that the authorities refuse to deal with them. They could be cleared out in 30 minutes if the mayor weren't a poof.

"Baltimore Mayor Stephanie Rawlings-Blake said her city government “gave those who wished to destroy space to do that..."

WTF?!

The technical term for this is anarcho-tyranny - "tyranny" for all the usual reasons that government is fucking us, "anarcho" because they simultaneously fail to perform their one legitimate function (protection of life and property).

FUBAR

The people allowing it, us, are the real threat. The problem is we resort to an appeal to authority. There is nothing stopping businesses from creating their own protection agency. Excepting the government.

mad cow
04-27-2015, 10:27 PM
Do they have a permit for these riots?

Yep.According to the Mayor :

It's a very delicate balancing act because while we try to make sure that they were protected from the cars, and the other things that were going on, we also gave those who wish to destroy, space to do that as well.

Schifference
04-27-2015, 10:28 PM
The situation is f**cked up!

Without government or degenerates being governed what would happen to these cities?

OK pack up and leave. All government and all police. What happens to the community?

It goes to shit and of course is the white man's fault!

AuH20
04-27-2015, 10:29 PM
Reports of a lion from the city zoo on the loose.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ak8-QLjQvwE

phill4paul
04-27-2015, 10:30 PM
Yea, really, spelling at a time like this, gotta wonder how lame an agent can be.

The elites have been manipulating the populations and economy towards this for 25 years.
Notice partisan politics is silent. They want martial law too. Divide the people into the elite and the slave classes.

I'm an insincere American, and a confirmed cog-infiltraitor, so please don't include me in your rants between myself and other members.

NorthCarolinaLiberty
04-27-2015, 10:31 PM
Family Dollar getting looted.

That place looks looted any time I've ever been in there.

CPUd
04-27-2015, 10:32 PM
http://i.imgur.com/f5I945E.gif

AuH20
04-27-2015, 10:32 PM
The situation is f**cked up!

Without government or degenerates being governed what would happen to these cities?

OK pack up and leave. All government and all police. What happens to the community?

It goes to shit and of course is the white man's fault!

It is the white man's fault for footing the bill for this shit all these years. Everybody just kept their mouth shut and paid their extortion fees. I'm tired of paying for the police as well as these lost boys.

presence
04-27-2015, 10:32 PM
5000 National Guard headed to Baltimore?



The New York Times - BALTIMORE — Gov. Larry Hogan activated the National Guard on Monday and the city of Baltimore announced a curfew for all residents

Schifference
04-27-2015, 10:32 PM
Is that fog horn noise going off every 20 seconds or so supposed to discourage the protestors?

Schifference
04-27-2015, 10:33 PM
Maybe Neil Young will be writing a new song.

r3volution 3.0
04-27-2015, 10:35 PM
The people allowing it, us, are the real threat. The problem is we resort to an appeal to authority. There is nothing stopping businesses from creating their own protection agency. Excepting the government.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=4086&stc=1

...not going to debate anarchy v. minarchy with you right now.

CPUd
04-27-2015, 10:35 PM
5000 National Guard headed to Baltimore?

Yes, the Governor declared a state of emergency.

r3volution 3.0
04-27-2015, 10:37 PM
Maybe Neil Young will be writing a new song.

I think he owes someone an apology...

Schifference
04-27-2015, 10:38 PM
Yes, the Governor declared a state of emergency.

Maybe he should have declared a "natural disaster"!

phill4paul
04-27-2015, 10:38 PM
The situation is f**cked up!

Without government or degenerates being governed what would happen to these cities?

OK pack up and leave. All government and all police. What happens to the community?

It goes to shit and of course is the white man's fault!

Coulda stopped at government. Degenerates applies equally well to that function.


What happens to the community?

Dunno. But it would be interesting to see.

Get over your white guilt. I don't give the notion power therefore it has no power.

AuH20
04-27-2015, 10:38 PM
Little known fact. Most of the Mercedes Benzs that are imported into this country are routed through the port of Baltimore.

Schifference
04-27-2015, 10:41 PM
I think he owes someone an apology...
"Ohio"

Tin soldiers and Nixon coming,
We're finally on our own.
This summer I hear the drumming,
Four dead in Ohio.

Gotta get down to it
Soldiers are cutting us down
Should have been done long ago.
What if you knew her
And found her dead on the ground
How can you run when you know?

Gotta get down to it
Soldiers are cutting us down
Should have been done long ago.
What if you knew her
And found her dead on the ground
How can you run when you know?

Tin soldiers and Nixon coming,
We're finally on our own.
This summer I hear the drumming,
Four dead in Ohio.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6irfBMm48g

Brian4Liberty
04-27-2015, 10:42 PM
Aside from the mass teen flash mob looting earlier, it's sad that it probably only takes a few (20-40?) looters/arsonists to create this mess. The rest of the crowds are pretty much bystanders, but provide cover. Those few can just go from place to place causing trouble. It's even conceivable that a single arsonist is lighting the majority of the structure fires. Another opportunist.

phill4paul
04-27-2015, 10:44 PM
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=4086&stc=1

...not going to debate anarchy v. minarchy with you right now.

I wasn't aware I was debating anarchy vs. minarchy, but o.k.

CPUd
04-27-2015, 10:47 PM
This thread is getting a bit Diane Sawyerish

r3volution 3.0
04-27-2015, 10:47 PM
One problem, bullets for them increases the justification for bullets for you and others. A lawful
Peaceful revolution can educate and restore functionality WITHOUT inviting unbridled tyranny.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?471555-A-lawful-and-peaceful-revolution

That's sweet, but nothing occurring in Baltimore tonight has an even accidental affinity with any kind of movement toward liberty.

I guess, as thoughtful libertarians, we all fall into two camps:

(a) Those who would have encouraged Tsar Nicholas to shoot the Bolsheviks in the street.

And, (b) those who would've worried about their civil liberties.

...I am unapologetically in the former camp.

wizardwatson
04-27-2015, 10:50 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ak8-QLjQvwE

Hehe.

I can't help but think of Mitch's line from Paranorman:

Neil: [to the mob, about Norman] All night long he's been trying to save you guys.
Mitch: Yeah, but all you want to do is burn and murder stuff, burn and murder stuff, just burning and murdering.

I tried to find a clip but no dice. It's probably his funniest line (voiced by Casey Affleck)

HVACTech
04-27-2015, 10:52 PM
Little known fact. Most of the Mercedes Benzs that are imported into this country are routed through the port of Baltimore.

those durn Hessian's are at it again?

curses! :p

UWDude
04-27-2015, 10:53 PM
And, as I predicted in the quiet Baltimore thread, the four days of peaceful protest get no coverage.
But the days of violent protest do.

That is why protests must be violent.

r3volution 3.0
04-27-2015, 10:55 PM
I wasn't aware I was debating anarchy vs. minarchy, but o.k.

Well, you proposed private protection agencies as a solution to the problem of the incompetence of the government of Baltimore, so...

Christopher A. Brown
04-27-2015, 10:55 PM
And, as I predicted in the quiet Baltimore thread, the four days of peaceful protest get no coverage.
But the days of violent protest do.

That is why protests must be violent.

Yep, the elite and government are coordinated with media to justify military escalation and not lawful and peaceful revolution. Philforpaul is helping them.

UWDude
04-27-2015, 10:56 PM
Still no word on MURDER charges for the six officers who killed the man by thrashing them in the back of the van, which by the way is not uncommon practice in Baltimore.

Still no word on ANY charges at all.

But I bet you....

NOW there will be something.

phill4paul
04-27-2015, 10:56 PM
For pfp that is cheering on a mob to destroy property so mass murder might be justified. Then his masters get to escalate police action to military action.
Agents work that agenda hard in times like this. They try to make each other's behaviors look normal.

Yeah. You are a candidate for "Operation Rep Burn." Congratulations.

HVACTech
04-27-2015, 10:56 PM
I wasn't aware I was debating anarchy vs. minarchy, but o.k.

most Ancaps consider the "Constitution" a necessary evil.

unless, of course, you are not an ancap. :confused:

UWDude
04-27-2015, 10:56 PM
Still no word on MURDER charges for the six officers who killed the man by thrashing them in the back of the van, which by the way is not uncommon practice in Baltimore.

Still no word on ANY charges at all.

But I bet you....

NOW there will be something.

Natural Citizen
04-27-2015, 10:57 PM
And, as I predicted in the quiet Baltimore thread, the four days of peaceful protest get no coverage.
But the days of violent protest do.

That is why protests must be violent.

Actually, Ben Swann has been covering those peaceful protests from the ground all week as well as studio reporting there at RT. Other than that, you're correct. The cable news entertainment platforms didn't cover any of the peaceful protests or discuss the case at all. Of course, as soon as the rioters and looters showed up, the cable news entertainment platforms came out of the woodwork and put a camera in front of all of that. And, unfortunately, that discredits all of the peaceful efforts to protest the matter earlier in the week. These looters and rioters will define the protest to police killings if the mainstream gets to use these rioters to narrate the terms of controversy.

I don't even watch the news entertainment platforms anymore. In fact, the only time I see them is when I log in here. Which is kind of scwewy, really, now that I think about it. I don't know what to think about how that phenomenon has evolved as of late.

Actually, Ben brings up your point here (specifically a the 2:20 mark), UWDude, with regard to previous peaceful protests that went unreported and acknowledged by the news entertainment platforms, yet, once the rioting started those platforms were front and center.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dq1h3-uORQU

phill4paul
04-27-2015, 10:59 PM
Well, you proposed private protection agencies as a solution to the problem of the incompetence of the government of Baltimore, so...

Fair enough, I guess. I don't look at it as anarchy or minarchy. Seems like common sense to me. I guess there is not a political label for that as it is subjective.

UWDude
04-27-2015, 10:59 PM
Yep, the elite and government are coordinated with media to justify military escalation and not lawful and peaceful revolution. Philforpaul is helping them.

Does it even matter anymore?

The police state will go ahead, with or without riots.

r3volution 3.0
04-27-2015, 11:00 PM
And, as I predicted in the quiet Baltimore thread, the four days of peaceful protest get no coverage.
But the days of violent protest do.

That is why protests must be violent.

You think the events of this evening were "protests"?

What were they protesting, a shortage of burning cars?

UWDude
04-27-2015, 11:00 PM
Actually, Ben Swann has been covering those peaceful protests from the ground all week as well as studio reporting there at RT. Other than that, you're correct. The cable news entertainment platforms didn't cover any of the peaceful protests or discuss the case at all. Of course, as soon as the rioters and looters showed up, the cable news entertainment platforms came out of the woodwork and put a camera in front of all of that. And, unfortunately, that discredits all of the peaceful efforts to protest the matter earlier in the week. These looters and rioters will define the protest to police killings if the mainstream gets to use these rioters to narrate the terms of controversy.

I don't even watch the news entertainment platforms anymore. In fact, the only time I see them is when I log in here. Which is kind of scwewy, really, and now that I think about it. I don't know.

You can't discredit the peaceful protesters when they were given no credit in the first place.

UWDude
04-27-2015, 11:01 PM
You think the events of this evening were "protests"?

What were they protesting, a shortage of burning cars?

They were protesting lack of coverage of the case, in a sense.

I know it makes no sense to you, but the only way black people ever get heard is if they burn shit down.

AuH20
04-27-2015, 11:02 PM
Actually, Ben Swann has been covering those peaceful protests from the ground all week as well as studio reporting there at RT. Other than that, you're correct. The cable news entertainment platforms didn't cover any of the peaceful protests or discuss the case at all. Of course, as soon as the rioters and looters showed up, the cable news entertainment platforms came out of the woodwork and put a camera in front of all of that. And, unfortunately, that discredits all of the peaceful efforts to protest the matter earlier in the week. These looters and rioters will define the protest to police killings if the mainstream gets to use these rioters to narrate the terms of controversy.

I don't even watch the news entertainment platforms anymore. In fact, the only time I see them is when I log in here. Which is kind of scwewy, really, and now that I think about it. I don't know.

It's hard to miss burning buildings and individuals cutting the fire hoses of firemen. Just sayin.

phill4paul
04-27-2015, 11:02 PM
Still no word on MURDER charges for the six officers who killed the man by thrashing them in the back of the van, which by the way is not uncommon practice in Baltimore.

Still no word on ANY charges at all.

But I bet you....

NOW there will be something.

Damn straight. The driver will get a reprimand and possibly desk duty for a month or two. He might have to resign and get a job in another department elsewhere. Every city resident will pull a dollar out of their pocket. Justice.

r3volution 3.0
04-27-2015, 11:04 PM
They were protesting lack of coverage of the case, in a sense.

I know it makes no sense to you, but the only way black people ever get heard is if they burn shit down.

And you think this is a good thing, productive in some way?

wizardwatson
04-27-2015, 11:04 PM
Actually, Ben Swann has been covering those peaceful protests from the ground all week as well as studio reporting there at RT. Other than that, you're correct. The cable news entertainment platforms didn't cover any of the peaceful protests or discuss the case at all. Of course, as soon as the rioters and looters showed up, the cable news entertainment platforms came out of the woodwork and put a camera in front of all of that. And, unfortunately, that discredits all of the peaceful efforts to protest the matter earlier in the week. These looters and rioters will define the protest to police killings if the mainstream gets to use these rioters to narrate the terms of controversy.

I don't even watch the news entertainment platforms anymore. In fact, the only time I see them is when I log in here. Which is kind of scwewy, really, and now that I think about it. I don't know.

Actually, Ben brings up your point here, UWDude, with regard to previous peaceful protests that went unreported and acknowledged by the news entertainment platforms, yet, once the rioting started those platforms were front and center.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dq1h3-uORQU

In MSM's defense we do have volcanos and earthquakes in the news. And rioting is becoming pretty standard. 5 years from now rioters might need suitcase nukes to get the MSM's attention.

Too many squeaky wheels these days, need to squeak louder.

AuH20
04-27-2015, 11:04 PM
Still no word on MURDER charges for the six officers who killed the man by thrashing them in the back of the van, which by the way is not uncommon practice in Baltimore.

Still no word on ANY charges at all.

But I bet you....

NOW there will be something.

The union will protect them. Despite all that, this orgy of destruction is not warranted. It would be a different story if it was homes of those 6 cops.

UWDude
04-27-2015, 11:06 PM
It's hard to miss burning buildings and individuals cutting the fire hoses of firemen. Just sayin.

It's hard to miss thousands of people marching down the streets peacefully protesting. But the media somehow did... again... like it always does.

This pattern has become so old it is cliche.

-Cop kills black man
-Black clergy denounce and announce protest
-Protest begins next day
-Peaceful protest continues for 2 or 3 days (four days is actually a bit above the norm)
-media makes no mention
-protest gets violent, (sometimes, it is cops shooting tear gas and beating up protesters, to which the media headlines "protests turn violent")
-People loot and burn
-government officials and the victims family call for calm
-the riot subsides
-People talk about dialogue
-NOTHING EVER CHANGES

TheTexan
04-27-2015, 11:06 PM
And you think this is a good thing, productive in some way?

Its idiotic and childish. The mature response here is to write many strongly worded letters to the police chief, mayor, representatives, and the news media.

And if you still have energy afterwards that you need to burn off, wave some signs to voice your discontent.

UWDude
04-27-2015, 11:06 PM
It's hard to miss burning buildings and individuals cutting the fire hoses of firemen. Just sayin.

It's hard to miss thousands of people marching down the streets peacefully protesting. But the media somehow did... again... like it always does.

This pattern has become so old it is cliche.

-Cop kills black man
-Black clergy denounce and announce protest
-Protest begins next day
-Peaceful protest continues for 2 or 3 days (four days is actually a bit above the norm)
-media makes no mention
-protest gets violent, (sometimes, it is cops shooting tear gas and beating up protesters, to which the media headlines "protests turn violent")
-People loot and burn
-government officials and the victims family call for calm
-the riot subsides
-People talk about dialogue
-NOTHING EVER CHANGES

tangent4ronpaul
04-27-2015, 11:07 PM
Is that fog horn noise going off every 20 seconds or so supposed to discourage the protestors?

Fog horn noise? First mention.

What I have noticed, being a night owl, are these damn EBN (Emergency Broadcast Network), generally between 3:30 and 4:30am that totally shit on any movie you might be watching and maybe an old one I was recording. They started being "monthly", but are now "weekly", but are actually daily. These "regularly scheduled tests" happen 2-3 times a night, though sometimes up to 15 times a morning.

Now with the city experiencing wide spread rioting, much of it on fire, massive looting and robberies, a declared state of emergency NG troops deployed and thousands of cops deployed from neighboring jurisdictions, massive school and commercial cancellations - guess what I haven't heard a peep from? YEPPERS! Not a peep from the Emergency Broadcast Network! :mad:

NOT A SINGLE ONE!

Put a fork in it! - It's WORTHLESS!

-t

UWDude
04-27-2015, 11:08 PM
And you think this is a good thing, productive in some way?

Does it matter if it is productive or not?

Does peaceful protest ever help?
Does looting ever help?
Does anything ever help?


Then fuck, might as well let out some rage, and get some loot.

Christopher A. Brown
04-27-2015, 11:08 PM
Does it even matter anymore?

The police state will go ahead, with or without riots.

Nihilism does not help. As long as you and are basically free, we can act to unify others with the same status and take proper political action.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?471555-A-lawful-and-peaceful-revolution

mad cow
04-27-2015, 11:08 PM
And you think this is a good thing, productive in some way?

The Keynesians sure think so.Just think of all the new cars and Liquor Stores that are going to be built now.

wizardwatson
04-27-2015, 11:09 PM
It's hard to miss thousands of people marching down the streets peacefully protesting. But the media somehow did... again... like it always does.

This pattern has become so old it is cliche.

-Cop kills black man
-Black clergy denounce and announce protest
-Protest begins next day
-Peaceful protest continues for 2 or 3 days (four days is actually a bit above the norm)
-media makes no mention
-protest gets violent, (sometimes, it is cops shooting tear gas and beating up protesters, to which the media headlines "protests turn violent")
-People loot and burn
-government officials and the victims family call for calm
-the riot subsides
-People talk about dialogue
-NOTHING EVER CHANGES

Which is why terrorism exists. To get attention.

So something does change. The label of the oppressed.

UWDude
04-27-2015, 11:10 PM
In MSM's defense we do have volcanos and earthquakes in the news. And rioting is becoming pretty standard. 5 years from now rioters might need suitcase nukes to get the MSM's attention.

Too many squeaky wheels these days, need to squeak louder.

Uh, no. You missed the point. They always cover riots. They never cover peaceful protest.

AuH20
04-27-2015, 11:10 PM
The Keynesians sure think so.Just think of all the new cars and Liquor Stores that are going to be built now.

Nothing should be rebuilt. Leave it as is.

TheTexan
04-27-2015, 11:10 PM
Nihilism does not help. As long as you and are basically free, we can act to unify others with the same status and take proper political action.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?471555-A-lawful-and-peaceful-revolution

Not only are we still basically free, we are still basically the free-est country in the universe, cus this is America

RickyJ
04-27-2015, 11:11 PM
They were protesting lack of coverage of the case, in a sense.

I know it makes no sense to you, but the only way black people ever get heard is if they burn shit down.

That's not true. They will get heard loud and clear if they targeted the 6 cops that actually beat the man to death. The cops will hear them very well. The media is irrelevant here, if the cops know they will be targeted for wrong doing they will think twice before doing something like that again and all the biased media coverage won't change that. Bullies only listen when their interests are at stake.

wizardwatson
04-27-2015, 11:12 PM
Uh, no. You missed the point. They always cover riots. They never cover peaceful protest.

Yeah, I caught that after I posted it.

mad cow
04-27-2015, 11:14 PM
Silent alarm going off at the Waverley Tavern.

TheTexan
04-27-2015, 11:14 PM
That's not true. They will get heard loud and clear if they targeted the 6 cops that actually beat the man to death. The cops will hear them very well. The media is irrelevant here, if the cops know they will be targeted for wrong doing they will think twice before doing something like that again and all the biased media coverage won't change that. Bullies only listen when their interests are at stake.


like Dorner who was a cop hating psycopath who was psychotic and clearly out of his mind, if I recall correctly from the news coverage.

r3volution 3.0
04-27-2015, 11:15 PM
Does it matter if it is productive or not?

In evaluating it? Uh, yes.


Does peaceful protest ever help?

Sometimes


Does looting ever help?

Very rarely


Does anything ever help?

Yes, obviously. You lack knowledge of history, I believe.


Then fuck, might as well let out some rage, and get some loot.

Well, I'm rooting for the Chinamen on the rooftop. Good luck.

Mach
04-27-2015, 11:16 PM
They've turned legitimate grievance into a means by which they can be marginalized.

Great description.... although I think that they will be way lower than just marginalized before this is all over.