Andrew Napolitano: The Saudi Arabian Government's Involvement In 9/11 Finally Revealed

[RonPaul4Prez2012]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BP7OnEcMatU


http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/04/15/bob_graham_the_saudi_arabian_government_paid_to_he lp_fund_the_attacks_of_911_the_fbi_knows_it_and_he lped_cover_it_up.html

[Brian4Liberty]

Interesting tidbit about Feinstein being immune because she spoke on the floor of the Senate. Does that apply to the House too? How many people in Congress have read the mysterious pages of the 9/11 Report?

[tangent4ronpaul]

60 Billion in mil equip sales to Saudis gets green light.
Saudis supply 13% of US imported oil
Saudis over produce oil and drop per barrel price - hurts Russia and ISIS

The Cost of US Wars Since 9/11: $1.6 Trillion
http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2014/12/crs-report-war-spending-trillion

Since 9/11, The U.S. Has Been Involved In More Than 5 Wars … And They’ve All Been Disasters
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-02-20/911-us-has-been-involved-more-5-wars-%E2%80%A6-and-they%E2%80%99ve-all-been-disasters

$740 Billion Has Been Spent on Security Since 9/11 — Is America Any Safer?
http://mic.com/articles/83101/740-billion-has-been-spent-on-security-since-9-11-is-america-any-safer


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mXsoYrXaMQ

-t

[tangent4ronpaul]

Wesley Clark "Don't Wait for the Next War"

From World War II through the Cold War, America grew into a formidable world leader as the Arsenal of Democracy. But in recent years the nation has lost its way, Clark believes. The retired four-star general, currently head of his own strategic consulting firm and member of the Clinton Global Initiative’s Energy & Climate Change Advisory Board, argues that we need a new strategic vision, particularly in relation to the turbulent Middle East, China, and the unprecedented challenges of cybersecurity. (PublicAffairs)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKOJhRKqAtI


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5e4MLk9gCo

-t

[presence]

so do we get a 9/11 conspiracy forum yet or is this off to hot topics too?

[muh_roads]

Didn't Russia say they had some satellite footage they were thinking of releasing a few days ago?


so do we get a 9/11 conspiracy forum yet or is this off to hot topics too?

And lets not use the word "Theory". I prefer Conspiracy FACTS.

[AuH20]

this guy better get protection

[TheTexan]

$740 Billion Has Been Spent on Security Since 9/11 — Is America Any Safer?


Number of planes that crashed into tall buildings in the US since 2001:

2002: 0
2003: 0
2004: 0
2005: 0
2006: 0
2007: 0
2008: 0
2009: 0
2010: 0
2011: 0
2012: 0
2013: 0
2014: 0
2015: 0

I would like to thank our brave troops at home and abroad, the NSA, and most importantly, the TSA, for their vigilance and extreme enthusiasm for their work.

[Stratovarious]

Hillary Cllinton is not going to want to talk about the Clinton Foundation.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2015/02/18/foreign-donations-to-hillary-clintons-foundation-raise-major-ethical-questions/

, ,


"... the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, has given between $10 million and $25 million since the foundation was created in 1999. "

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[tangent4ronpaul]

Number of planes that crashed into tall buildings in the US since 2001:

2002: 0
2003: 0
2004: 0
2005: 0
2006: 0
2007: 0
2008: 0
2009: 0
2010: 0
2011: 0
2012: 0
2013: 0
2014: 0
2015: 0

I would like to thank our brave troops at home and abroad, the NSA, and most importantly, the TSA, for their vigilance and extreme enthusiasm for their work.

Yes, closing the barn door after the horses have run off is such an effective strategy. :rolleyes:

I guess 4 stories doesn't count as "tall'

(though the Pentagon only has 5 stories above ground)

Man Crashes Plane Into Texas I.R.S. Office (2010)
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/19/us/19crash.html?_r=0

http://static01.********/images/2010/02/18/us/18cnd-planespan/18cnd-planespan-articleLarge.jpg

Guess we need TSA screeners at all private airports... :rolleyes:

-t

[muh_roads]

this guy better get protection

I was thinking he has a hidden illness and was like, "fuck it".

[PatriotOne]

http://www.sptimes.com/2004/06/09/Tampabay/TIA_now_verifies_flig.shtml

TAMPA - Two days after the Sept. 11 attacks, with most of the nation's air traffic still grounded, a small jet landed at Tampa International Airport, picked up three young Saudi men and left.

The men, one of them thought to be a member of the Saudi royal family, were accompanied by a former FBI agent and a former Tampa police officer on the flight to Lexington, Ky.

The Saudis then took another flight out of the country. The two ex-officers returned to TIA a few hours later on the same plane.

For nearly three years, White House, aviation and law enforcement officials have insisted the flight never took place and have denied published reports and widespread Internet speculation about its purpose.

But now, at the request of the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks, TIA officials have confirmed that the flight did take place and have supplied details.

The odyssey of the small LearJet 35 is part of a larger controversy over the hasty exodus from the United States in the days immediately after 9/11 of members of the Saudi royal family and relatives of Osama bin Laden.

The terrorism panel, better known as the 9/11 Commission, said in April that it knew of six chartered flights with 142 people aboard, mostly Saudis, that left the United States between Sept. 14 and 24, 2001. But it has said nothing about the Tampa flight.

The commission's general counsel, Daniel Marcus, asked TIA in a letter dated May 25 for any information about "a chartered flight with six people, including a Saudi prince, that flew from Tampa, Florida on or about Sept. 13, 2001." He asked for the information no later than June 8.

TIA officials said they sent their reply on Monday.

The airport used aircraft tracking equipment normally assigned to a noise abatement program to determine the identity of all aircraft entering TIA airspace on Sept. 13, and found four records for the LearJet 35.

The plane first entered the airspace from the south, possibly from the Fort Lauderdale area, sometime after 3 p.m. and landed for the first time at 3:34 p.m. It took off at 4:37 p.m., headed north. It returned to Tampa at 8:23 p.m. and took off again at 8:48 p.m., headed south.

Author Craig Unger, who first disclosed the possibility of a post-9/11 Saudi airlift in his book House of Bush, House of Saud, said in an interview that he believes the jet came to Tampa a second time to drop off two former law enforcement agents from Tampa who accompanied three young Saudis to Lexington for security purposes.

The Saudis asked the Tampa Police Department to escort the flight, but the department handed off the assignment to Dan Grossi, a former member of the force, Unger said. Grossi recruited Manuel Perez, a retired FBI agent, to accompany him. Both described the flight to Unger as somewhat surreal.

"They got the approval somewhere," Perez is quoted as telling Unger. "It must have come from the highest levels of government."

While there is no manifest for those aboard the Lear flight to Kentucky, Unger says the foreign nationals left Lexington for London aboard a Boeing 727. That manifest lists eight Saudis, two Sudan nationals, one Tunisian, one Philippine citizen, one Egyptian and two British subjects.

Of those, three listed residences on Normandy Trace Drive in Tampa, and all of them held Florida drivers' licenses. They are Ahmad Al Hazmi, then 19, Fahad Al Zeid, then 20, and Talal M. Al Mejrad, then 18, all male Saudis.

It is not known which, if any, is a Saudi prince.

Perez, the former FBI agent on the flight, could not be located this week, and Grossi declined to talk about the experience.

"I'm over it," he said in a telephone interview. "The White House, the FAA and the FBI all said the flight didn't happen. Those are three agencies that are way over my head, and that's why I'm done talking about it."

Grossi did say that Unger's account of his participation in the flight is accurate.

The FAA is still not talking about the flights, referring all questions to the FBI, which isn't answering anything, either. Nor is the 9/11 Commission.

Unger's book criticizes the Bush administration for allowing so many Saudis, including the relatives of bin Laden, to leave the country without being questioned thoroughly about the terrorist attacks.

Fifteen of the 19 men who hijacked four airlines on Sept. 11 were Saudi, as is bin Laden.

The 9/11 Commission, which has said the flights out of the United States were handled appropriately by the FBI, appears concerned with the handling of the Tampa flight.

"What information, if any, do you have about the screening by law enforcement personnel - including law enforcement personnel affiliated with the airport facility - of individuals on this flight?" the commission asked TIA.

The TIA Police Department said a check of its records indicated no member of its force screened the Lear's passengers.

Despite evidence that the flight occurred, several new questions have arisen.

Raytheon Aircraft is the only facility at TIA that services general aviation, which includes charter flights. When appropriate, Raytheon collects landing fees from those aircraft for TIA and reports to TIA on the flights.

According to airport records, Raytheon collected landing fees from only two aircraft on Sept. 13, one of them a Lear 35. But according to the record, the registration on the Lear is 505RP, a tail number which, according to the latest federal records, is assigned to a Cessna Citation based in Kalamazoo, Mich., and Oskar Rene Poch.

Poch confirmed Tuesday that he owns a Citation with that tail number and did before the terrorist attacks.

"Somebody must have gotten the registration number wrong in Tampa," he said.

TIA spokeswoman Brenda Geoghagan said it is believed the Lear's Sept. 13 journey began in Fort Lauderdale, possibly at a charter company called Hop-a-Jet Inc. The fact that the four trips in and out of Tampa all carried the flight designation "HPJ32" lends support to that idea.

But an official of Hop-a-Jet who wouldn't identify himself said the company does not own an aircraft with the registration number 505RP. Furthermore, he said, if that tail number is assigned to a Cessna Citation, the company doesn't own any Citations, either.

Most of the aircraft allowed to fly in U.S. airspace on Sept. 13 were empty airliners being ferried from the airports where they made quick landings on Sept. 11. The reopening of the airspace included paid charter flights, but not private, nonrevenue flights.

"Whether such a (LearJet) flight would have been legal hinges on whether somebody paid for it," said FAA spokesman William Shumann. "That's the key."

[PatriotOne]

According to the Washington Post, the Carlyle Group met at the Ritz Carlton Hotel in NYC one day before 9/11. In attendance at this meeting were former president George H. W. Bush and Shafiq bin Laden, the brother of Osama:

The Carlyle Group is a large private-equity investment firm, closely associated with officials of the Bush and Reagan administrations, and has considerable ties to Saudi oil money, including ties to the bin Laden family.

This morning [September 10, 2001] it is holding its annual investor conference at the Ritz Carlton hotel in Washington, DC. Among the guests of honor is investor Shafig bin Laden, brother of Osama bin Laden. [Observer, 6/16/2002; London Times, 5/8/2003] Former President George H. W. Bush, who makes speeches on behalf of the Carlyle Group and is also senior adviser to its Asian Partners fund [Wall Street Journal, 9/27/2001] , attended the conference the previous day, but is not there today (see (8:00 a.m.) September 11, 2001). [Washington Post, 3/16/2003]

http://www.globalresearch.ca/george-w-bush-and-the-bin-laden-family-meet-in-new-york-city-one-day-before-911/5332870

[Stratovarious]

If Hillary Clinton was not directly complicit in the Benghazi Embassy murders, she was certainly criminally derelict of duty.
Reasons for ignoring the explosive and predicted situation are probably lost with her deletion of emails, and a reason
she chose to flaunt federal law.

The Money She accepted from Saudi Arabia and Saudis' ties with 9/11 Explain why the
government did not immediately remand possession of the Government server at her residence,
and allowed her months to meticulously erase evidence of impropriety and possibly Treasonous activity the server held.

Emails on the gov server could quite possibly have sent Hillary Clinton to prison for life, yet we know our government
could not allow numerous high level individuals, corporations, and Federal Agencies to be placed in embarrassingly awkward
positions had all emails been preserved.

Hillary was given a direct pass, imo from the Muslim Terrorist Behind the Big Desk.


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[Stratovarious]

....which brings to mind, the NSA;

Gov or private server, I would bet $$$$ they have everything on file that Hillary has said printed and thought over the last 12 or so years, and I'll double
the bet the NSA will NEVER let any of that information see the light of day.

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[cindy25]

I wouldn't be surprised if the Israeli govt was also involved, and possibly the Bush family.

[DevilsAdvocate]

Notice how the Youtube video has 40 views and 3 likes.

This is what they do, they hold the information until nobody cares anymore, then they can trickle it out without making a fuss.

[TheTexan]

....which brings to mind, the NSA;

Gov or private server, I would bet $$$$ they have everything on file that Hillary has said printed and thought over the last 12 or so years, and I'll double
the bet the NSA will NEVER let any of that information see the light of day.

Of course they wouldn't ever release her private information. They respect people's privacy too much to do anything like that.

[tangent4ronpaul]

Notice how the Youtube video has 40 views and 3 likes.

This is what they do, they hold the information until nobody cares anymore, then they can trickle it out without making a fuss.

The YouTube count ticker gets stuck there and doesn't update for several days. I think it's a anti-going viral measure. We've had a couple of threads on that years ago.

-t

[enhanced_deficit]

US politics of late is a bi-partisan, mutli-plot drama... a marriage of swcbaggery and ddgbaggery.

Obama includes Republicans in big delegation to meet new Saudi King

Tue Jan 27, 2015 10:00am IST
Joining Obama in paying respects following the death of King Abdullah will be Republican statesmen James Baker, secretary of state in the George H.W. Bush administration, and Brent Scowcroft, national security adviser to presidents Ford and H.W. Bush, the White House said.

Condoleezza Rice, secretary of state for President George W. Bush, Stephen Hadley, national security adviser in that administration, and Republican Senator John McCain, who is often critical of Obama's foreign policy, also will join.

http://in.reuters.com/article/2015/0...0V51U420150127 (http://in.reuters.com/article/2015/01/27/obama-saudi-idINL1N0V51U420150127)


SWC Rahm Emanuel looks on as disgraced (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?433586-Majority-of-Americans-now-believe-Obama-is-quot-dishonest-and-untrustworthy)ddg puppet accepts gift from one of the most oppressive dictators of this century:


http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/01/23/24D5D8B800000578-2924183-image-a-1_1422052778757.jpg
( Saudi King's Justice) The barbarous beheading of woman with a sword last week

http://www.frontpagemag.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/obama-muslim-honor.jpg



http://theageofdesolation.com/Doomsday/images/Default/Bush-Family-Saudi-Arabia-1.jpg










Related

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2c/911worldopinionpoll_Sep2008_pie.png/350px-911worldopinionpoll_Sep2008_pie.png

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polls_about_9/11_conspiracy_theories

[TheTexan]

Yes, closing the barn door after the horses have run off is such an effective strategy. :rolleyes:

I guess 4 stories doesn't count as "tall'

(though the Pentagon only has 5 stories above ground)

Man Crashes Plane Into Texas I.R.S. Office (2010)
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/19/us/19crash.html?_r=0

http://static01.********/images/2010/02/18/us/18cnd-planespan/18cnd-planespan-articleLarge.jpg

Guess we need TSA screeners at all private airports... :rolleyes:

-t

It's not a terrorist attack if it's not done by muslims. Doesn't count.

[Constitutional Paulicy]

The allegations are that they funded the organization that carried out the attacks. Were they aware of the intent of the group to specifically target the world trade center with hijacked planes? That would be even more damning. Amazingly, we are just as guilty of funding groups who use those funds to attack us.

[anaconda]

Meanwhile Shepard Smith manages to insult 9-11 truthers on multiple occasions throughout the interview.

[anaconda]

Section. 6.

The Senators and Representatives shall receive a Compensation for their Services, to be ascertained by Law, and paid out of the Treasury of the United States. They shall in all Cases, except Treason, Felony and Breach of the Peace, be privileged from Arrest during their Attendance at the Session of their respective Houses, and in going to and returning from the same; and for any Speech or Debate in either House, they shall not be questioned in any other place.

Looks to me like if Feinstein's act of disclosure was a felony then the Constitution would not protect her.

[devil21]

Hillary Cllinton is not going to want to talk about the Clinton Foundation.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2015/02/18/foreign-donations-to-hillary-clintons-foundation-raise-major-ethical-questions/

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"... the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, has given between $10 million and $25 million since the foundation was created in 1999. "

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Clinton Foundation is nothing more than the money launderer for the Clinton Global Initiative, a CFR action network.

[libertygrl]

I'm very suspicious when the controlled news media brings up something like this because afterall, their job is to lie, distort and suppress the truth. Why is this information coming out now? Who stands to gain? Anyway, found the following on YouTube:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEGvDohdJN0

[libertygrl]

Also from former FBI whistleblower Sibel Edmonds:

“I will give you an analogy, okay? Say if we decided to have a “war on drugs,” but said in the beginning, “right, we’re only going to go after the young black guys on the street level…” But we decided never to go after the middle levels, let alone the top levels…

It’s like this with the so-called war on terror. We go for the Attas and Hamdis — but never touch the guys on the top.”

Which people are Sibel talking about?
Sibel is talking about three different, though often over-lapping, groups of:
a) Those who were directly involved in planning and/or facilitating the 911 attacks,
b) Those who knowingly, specifically, intentionally provided and facilitated ‘indirect’ support functions for the attacks
c) Those who support and finance al-Qaeda generally.

Let’s begin at the highest level. In Sibel’s “THE HIGHJACKING OF A NATION – Part 1” she quotes Senator Bob Graham’s numerous statements that Saudi Arabia’s support for some of the 911 hijackers has been hidden in the redacted 27 pages of the congressional inquiry’s final report into 911. Sibel notes:


“What Graham is trying to establish in his book and previous public statements in this regard, and doing so under state imposed ‘secrecy and classification’, is that the classification and cover up of those 27 pages is not about protecting ‘U.S. national security, methods of intelligence collection, or ongoing investigations,’ but to protect certain U.S. allies. Meaning, our government put the interests of certain foreign nations and their U.S. beneficiaries far above its own people and their interests. While Saudi Arabia has been specifically pointed to by Graham, other countries involved have yet to be identified.” (emphasis mine)

In various other interviews and articles, Sibel gives us some clues as to which ‘other countries’ she is pointing to. For example, in this 2006 interview, Sibel says


We’re not just talking about – as they say – Saudi Arabia and Egypt – but they have glossed over the involvement of certain entities within other countries – such as Turkey, Pakistan, Azerbaijan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan – many Central Asian countries.

They have absolutely covered up the involvement of certain entities – it’s not necessarily only governmental – from these other countries – Central Asia – they call it “Sensitive Diplomatic Relations’ – you know they are putting (military) bases there.

Please note that not only is the US establishing military bases in these countries, these countries are generally:
1) Major customers for US military hardware
2) US ‘allies’
3) Anti-democracy, anti-freedom, police states
4) Major players in the heroin trade
5) Supporters of various terrorist activity

http://www.911truth.org/sibel-edmonds-case-the-real-culprits-of-911/

[jmdrake]

It's not a terrorist attack if it's not done by muslims. Doesn't count.

And airplanes only cause buildings to fall when muslims fly them. And only fires started by muslims cause steel framed skyscrapers to collapse into their own footprint. The muslims must say a special prayer or something.

[fatjohn]

Interesting tidbit about Feinstein being immune because she spoke on the floor of the Senate. Does that apply to the House too? How many people in Congress have read the mysterious pages of the 9/11 Report?

Yes very good question. Why dont amash are massie tell us what they read if this is true?

[jmdrake]

Of course other nations are involved. And Graham knows this. He was told about a plot involving Pakistan involved in an attack on the WTC as early as June 2001. He was meeting with the Pakistani intelligence chief who funded 9/11 on 9/11. Yet he never talks about Pakistan. Why?


Also from former FBI whistleblower Sibel Edmonds:

“I will give you an analogy, okay? Say if we decided to have a “war on drugs,” but said in the beginning, “right, we’re only going to go after the young black guys on the street level…” But we decided never to go after the middle levels, let alone the top levels…

It’s like this with the so-called war on terror. We go for the Attas and Hamdis — but never touch the guys on the top.”

Which people are Sibel talking about?
Sibel is talking about three different, though often over-lapping, groups of:
a) Those who were directly involved in planning and/or facilitating the 911 attacks,
b) Those who knowingly, specifically, intentionally provided and facilitated ‘indirect’ support functions for the attacks
c) Those who support and finance al-Qaeda generally.

Let’s begin at the highest level. In Sibel’s “THE HIGHJACKING OF A NATION – Part 1” she quotes Senator Bob Graham’s numerous statements that Saudi Arabia’s support for some of the 911 hijackers has been hidden in the redacted 27 pages of the congressional inquiry’s final report into 911. Sibel notes:


“What Graham is trying to establish in his book and previous public statements in this regard, and doing so under state imposed ‘secrecy and classification’, is that the classification and cover up of those 27 pages is not about protecting ‘U.S. national security, methods of intelligence collection, or ongoing investigations,’ but to protect certain U.S. allies. Meaning, our government put the interests of certain foreign nations and their U.S. beneficiaries far above its own people and their interests. While Saudi Arabia has been specifically pointed to by Graham, other countries involved have yet to be identified.” (emphasis mine)

In various other interviews and articles, Sibel gives us some clues as to which ‘other countries’ she is pointing to. For example, in this 2006 interview, Sibel says


We’re not just talking about – as they say – Saudi Arabia and Egypt – but they have glossed over the involvement of certain entities within other countries – such as Turkey, Pakistan, Azerbaijan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan – many Central Asian countries.

They have absolutely covered up the involvement of certain entities – it’s not necessarily only governmental – from these other countries – Central Asia – they call it “Sensitive Diplomatic Relations’ – you know they are putting (military) bases there.

Please note that not only is the US establishing military bases in these countries, these countries are generally:
1) Major customers for US military hardware
2) US ‘allies’
3) Anti-democracy, anti-freedom, police states
4) Major players in the heroin trade
5) Supporters of various terrorist activity

http://www.911truth.org/sibel-edmonds-case-the-real-culprits-of-911/

[jmdrake]

Yes very good question. Why dont amash are massie tell us what they read if this is true?

Because immunity from arrest doesn't prevent your car's computer getting hacked and you mysteriously dying in a crash.

[jmdrake]

this guy better get protection

This is a controlled release of information. The PTB are fine with Bob Graham doing this. Note that he's not talking about Pakistan.

[AuH20]

This is a controlled release of information. The PTB are fine with Bob Graham doing this. Note that he's not talking about Pakistan.

I don't think it's controlled. He's been talking about this for the last year. If it was controlled they would have released the 28 pages far earlier. Graham was intentionally stonewalled by the FBI on a subpoena which started this whole quest. Does anyone else realize the potential implications of the Federal Bureau of Investigation directly subverting an investigation into the events of 9/11?

http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=11116



JAY: Well, if you combine that with what was clearly a message that was sent throughout the police to the FBI, to the intelligence agencies, that we're not very interested terrorism anymore--. Coleen Rowley that was part of the FBI group in Minneapolis that tried to get a warrant for Moussaoui, who was this guy learning to take off and not land, and the air flight instructor tells the local FBI office, and they cannot get the warrant. FBI headquarters won't give them the warrant to go get the computer. And it's a longer, detailed story. And if people want, they can go watch. We've interviewed Coleen Rowley. But I asked Coleen, what did you make of this? I mean, why? And she said there just seemed to be coming from the top a culture: don't follow terrorism; we're not interested in it.

GRAHAM: And we had a number of instances such as that. There was a very suspicious and I think potentially central figure in the Saudi relationship to the hijackers who was an elderly man, retired university professor, who in his dotage had taken to inviting young Saudis to live in his house as boarders. It was both a source of some income, but also some comfort. It happened that two of the boarders that this man invited to live in his house were future hijackers.
We very much wanted to interview that elderly former professor to find out just what had he learned having these two hijackers living literally under his roof. We were denied access. Here's--the joint intelligence committees of the U.S. Senate and the House of Representatives are being told, you cannot talk to this man. We said, could we send you questions and--.

JAY: Who is this you're--.

GRAHAM: The FBI.

JAY: FBI.

GRAHAM: And they say, no, we won't present the questions to him.
So we went to a federal judge and got a subpoena to require this man's arrival. It was on a Friday afternoon. I had the subpoena in my hand. The FBI agent in charge was in a small room in the capital, and I was prepared to hand him the subpoena. And he backed up against the wall and said, we don't like to have our people subpoenaed. And they described him as being "our people" because he was--in addition to taking in boarders, he also was paid by the FBI to allegedly oversee the actions of young Saudis.

JAY: Yeah. Isn't that the point? He was an FBI informant.

GRAHAM: Yeah. So that's why they were hiding him so much.
But anyway, the man said don't force the subpoena on us on Monday; seventy-two hours from now we will deliver this man.
So the biggest mistake maybe I made in my public life was accepting the truthfulness, the veracity of that man's statement, 'cause I did not push the subpoena into his hands. Seventy-two hours passed. No witness came forward. And from that point forward, they just ran the clock out until the session of Congress that we had legal authority to conduct our investigation ran out. And to my knowledge nobody has ever interviewed that man, who I think has a lot to say and to contribute to our understanding of the Saudi role in 9/11.

JAY: Where is he now?

GRAHAM: It think he's still in San Diego. The last time I checked, which was three or four years ago, he was.

JAY: This must frustrate you to no end that you weren't able to finish your work, in a sense, and then it has left the public discourse. There's no further inquiries

[jmdrake]

I don't think it's controlled. He's been talking about this for the last year. If it was controlled they would have released the 28 pages far earlier. Graham was intentionally stonewalled by the FBI on a subpoena which started this whole quest.

http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=11116

That's more proof that it's controlled. Bob Graham was told prior to 9/11 that Pakistan was planning to attack the WTC. He admitted that years ago. Indian intelligence proved after 9/11 that the head of Pakistani intelligence wired the money ($100,000) to the lead hijacker. This was proven back in 2002. Yet it didn't make it into the 9/11 commission report and Graham isn't talking about it now. And who was meeting with the head of Pakistani intelligence on 9/11 itself? Why Bob Graham was. That doesn't prove that Graham was a part of 9/11, but it does prove that Graham should know about the Pakistani connection yet he still refuses to bring it up. Controlled opposition. He needs to be investigated.

[AuH20]

That's more proof that it's controlled. Bob Graham was told prior to 9/11 that Pakistan was planning to attack the WTC. He admitted that years ago. Indian intelligence proved after 9/11 that the head of Pakistani intelligence wired the money ($100,000) to the lead hijacker. This was proven back in 2002. Yet it didn't make it into the 9/11 commission report and Graham isn't talking about it now. And who was meeting with the head of Pakistani intelligence on 9/11 itself? Why Bob Graham was. That doesn't prove that Graham was a part of 9/11, but it does prove that Graham should know about the Pakistani connection yet he still refuses to bring it up. Controlled opposition. He needs to be investigated.

Pakistan may have been involved. But you're creating this false conclusion in your mind just because all of the oranges haven't been shaken from the tree. The Saudis were undoubtedly a major player given their vast resources and closeness with our power structure (Kissinger). If this information was truly benign. it would have never been redacted for so long.

[AuH20]

I was thinking he has a hidden illness and was like, "fuck it".

My theory is that he started to integrate his 'findings' into a fictional work (he's written a couple books already) and got a visit by the agency, who probably spooked him real bad. If you want to survive, you come out for the public record. If the former chair of the Senate Intelligence committee goes missing, it would be a very big deal.

[phill4paul]

So when are SEALs gonna pull a Zero-Dark Thirty on the house of Saud?

[jmdrake]

Pakistan may have been involved. But you're creating this false conclusion in your mind just because all of the oranges haven't been shaken from the tree. The Saudis were undoubtedly a major player given their vast resources and closeness with our power structure (Kissinger). If this information was benign. it would never been redacted for so long.

Okay. Did you even read what I wrote? Did you process it? Bob Graham was told about the Pakistani connection BEFORE 9/11 and he is STILL covering it up! He is not some random ass person that just found one piece of the puzzle and hasn't "shook the rest of the oranges from the tree" yet. Why doesn't he come out at talk about what he and the Pakistani General who funded 9/11 were doing together on 9/11? Did this General seem shocked about the attacks? Why was all of this left out of the report? Really, pull your head out of the sand and think this through. I'm not saying this information is "benign." I'm saying there's worse information out there and one good way to keep the worst information from gaining steam to have controlled release of the less bad information.

Think of it this way. Let's say you were a criminal. Let's say the police were on to you. Let's say you had three different people in your gang. Person A was your buddy. Person B had the goods on you. Person C was expendable. Who would you give up to the police to keep the heat off of yourself and why? So far the only people that Graham has implicated are Saudi nationals. Guess what? Osama Bin Laden himself was a Saudi national. But Graham hasn't spoken about the Saudi government. The Pakistani connection implicates that Pakistani government. More importantly the Pakistani ISI and the CIA are joined at the hip. It was the ISI that the CIA used to fund its Afghanistan campaign against the Soviets.

Bob Graham isn't some farmer shaking fruit off the tree. He's part of the fruit.

[jmdrake]

My theory is that he started to integrate his 'findings' into a fictional work (he's written a couple books already) and got a visit by the agency, who probably spooked him real bad. If you want to survive, you come out for the public record. If the former chair of the Senate Intelligence committee goes missing, it would be a very big deal.

Does his fictional book have a character in it named "Bob" who meets with the man funding the terrorist attacks but then never says anything about it and instead points people elsewhere?

[jmdrake]

So when are SEALs gonna pull a Zero-Dark Thirty on the house of Saud?

Zero-Dark Thirty = Saving Private Lynch but with the media and all of the soldiers going along with the script this time.

[AuH20]

There has been almost complete media silence on this entire subject. Of course, the original NY Times article and a two or three spin-off pieces from Ben Swann, some local Florida publications and Real Clear Politics. Other than that crickets. It may be that no one wants to talk about the FBI aiding and abetting terrorist elements that may have been involved in 911. It's not good for national morale.

[devil21]

I'm convinced 9/11 had multiple purposes rolled into one event (such as starting the WoT, demolishing the outdated towers, insurance scam) but the biggest direct goal was the destruction of mountains of evidence of financial crimes by banks and their associates. Signs are pointing to history repeating soon.

http://www.wanttoknow.info/911/Collateral-Damage-911-black_eagle_fund_trust.pdf

[jmdrake]

There has been almost complete media silence on this entire subject. Of course, the original NY Times article and a two or three spin-off pieces from Ben Swann, some local Florida publications and Real Clear Politics. Other than that crickets. It may be that no one wants to talk about the FBI aiding and abetting terrorist elements that may have been involved in 911. It's not good for national morale.

I fully support dissemination of this information. The more that gets out about 9/11 the better. I just don't think Bob Graham is in any real danger because he's not asking the really damning questions. Taking the "Some well placed Saudi nationals were involved and the FBI covered this as to not embarrass our allies" approach still doesn't make 9/11 the preventable event that it absolutely was. Hell, the FBI was able to get away with ordering the making of the 1993 World Trade Center bomb that killed 7 people. Lot's of people, sadly some here, immediately chalk that up to "sting operation gone bad" when confronted with the info. That an insanely stupid position to take, but people take a warped, twisted and retarded view of Occam's Razor which instead of saying the simplest explanation is right, they take the view that the explanation that best exculpates the government at all levels, no matter how convoluted that explanation may be, must be the right one.

[jmdrake]

I just finally watched this. Didn't realize the lawsuit was going on against the Saudi government. I hope something comes of this.

[Mach]

I doubt it, but I would like to think that Jeb just got a "black eye" for his run.....

http://www.texasfred.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Bush-and-Saudi-King.jpg

I don't think it was just Saudi though, I think it was multi-country teamwork.

Saudi and Pakistan people where in NY having meetings on that day, not to mention Israelis that were, "documenting" the event.