One Million US Veterans Are In Prison, 22 Commit Suicide Every Day

[enhanced_deficit]

Is this reflective of a nation that "supports the troops" ? Vet suicide rate has been updated for 2015 in the title, rest of numbers are from 2011.




Feb. 6, 2015
22 veterans commit suicide each day

Marine Clay Hunt received a hero’s welcome when he returned home to Texas after serving as a sniper in Afghanistan and Iraq. Struggling with a diagnosis of post-traumatic stress disorder, the Purple Heart-winner became a widely-recognized advocate for veterans. In 2011, two years after leaving the Marines, the 28-year-old became one of the 8,000 veterans who commit suicide every year.

http://time.com/3694053/veteran-suicide/


One Million US Veterans Are In Prison, And 18 Commit Suicide Every Day
Jul. 18, 2011

Brad Eifert and familyFacebookBrad Eifert and his wife Michelle at their daughters graduation

When Staff Sgt. Brad Eifert, 36, finally made his way to the woods behind his house with a .45 caliber pistol, he was a soldier at the end of his rope.

Recently back from Iraq, suicide was something he'd discussed openly with his commander, his family, and his Army doctor The New York Times reports.

But in 2010 in the dark woods with the pistol pressed to his temple he was unable to pull the trigger.

Instead he turned the weapon away, firing nine rounds into a nearby tree.

The police on the street, taking cover where they could, thought he was firing at them, so it's surprising that when Eifert ran weaponless into the driveway screaming "Shoot me! Shoot me! Shoot Me!" -- that they didn't -- they only Tasered him.

He had planned on committing "suicide by cop," making him one of the 18 veterans that commit suicide every day in the United States. Instead he became one of the 1 million veterans sitting in jail -- one in 10 of all prisoners.

http://www.businessinsider.com/brad-eifert-18-veterans-kill-themselves-every-day-special-veterans-court-2011-7





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From PTSD to Prison: Why Veterans Become Criminals (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/07/28/from-ptsd-to-prison-why-veterans-become-criminals.html)
Nearly one in 10 inmates have served in the military. Matthew Wolfe on how the system fails them—and the new prison dorms that could help them get back on track.

Georgia opens a prison for veterans (http://rt.com/usa/georgia-county-us-way-743/)
Published time: May 07, 2012

[tod evans]

How many have been imprisoned and are now out trying to hardscrabble?

I know a large percentage of folks my age that served have done time, primarily for dope.

[Created4]

This is due in large part to the over-prescription of psyche drugs. Suicide is a common side effect, and more military on these drugs than the general population.

http://healthimpactnews.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2014/05/cchr-apa-protest-military-drugging.jpg


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F02HElsg8uI

Here is a good story NPR did last year on this issue:

Veterans Kick The Prescription Pill Habit, Against Doctors' Orders

1 in 3 veterans polled say they are on 10 different medications.

While there is concern about overmedicating and self-medicating — using alcohol or drugs without a doctor’s approval — there are also some veterans who are trying to do the opposite: They’re kicking the drugs, against doctor’s orders.

Will, the veteran whose list of medications takes six minutes to read, has stopped taking those drugs.

“I always keep at least one month on supply,” Will says. “My next month’s supply comes next week, so as soon as they come in, I take those and I flush them. And then I just scrape my name off all the pill bottles and throw them all away.”

Will, who is in the process of medically retiring from the Army, keeps that month’s supply of pills on hand for a reason: He gets drug-tested to make sure he is taking his medications. That’s to ensure he’s not selling his drugs on the street — which isn’t uncommon.

So every few months, when he has an appointment coming up, Will gets himself back on his drugs. He gradually works up to the dose he’s supposed to be on. He recently cycled himself off the medications again after a doctor’s appointment.

“I’m actually feeling pretty good,” Will says. “I’ve now been fully off the meds for nine days. The first three days of being off them were really bad; just real bad nausea, diarrhea, shaky.”

Will hopes he’ll be out of the Army soon and can stop the roller coaster of getting on and off the drugs. But for now, he says, it’s worth it. When he was on the medications, he was a shut-in, he says, depressed and too doped up to drive.

Read the Full Story here (http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2014/07/11/330178170/veterans-kick-the-prescription-pill-habit-against-doctors-orders).

Ron Paul supposedly had more support among the military than all the other candidates combined when he ran for office. He understood the real issues they face. I hope the Rand Paul campaign continues focusing on issues like this.

[Uriel999]

You know in January I lost one of my best Marine friends to suicide. That same month another Marine from my unit committed suicide as well (he had been out probably about a year or so). It never hit home until it was somebody I cared about. We all made it home from Afghan alive. In fact, TBI was the worst of the injuries sustained out there. My fiend was only about 6 weeks from getting out and starting a new life. He had great friends here that loved him, perhaps more than he even knew. He had a girlfriend back home that he was going to get more serious with as well.

Depression and the military is a rough battle.

[enhanced_deficit]

Informative observations there about this tragic reality.


Below would be another incredible statistic if reported numbers are accurate:


43% of US prison population consists of US military veterans whereas they are only 7% of US general population. (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?472727-One-Million-US-Veterans-Are-In-Prison-22-Commit-Suicide-Every-Day&p=5841199&viewfull=1#post5841199)




This is based on data in below reports.

"United States incarceration rate
While the United States represents about 4.4 percent of the world's population, it houses around 22 percent of the world's prisoners. Imprisonment of America's 2.3 million prisoners, costing $24,000 per inmate per year, and $5.1 billion in new prison construction, consumes $60.3 billion in budget expenditures.
Prison population (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarceration_in_the_United_States#Prison_populati on) - According to the U.S. Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS), 2,266,800 adults were incarcerated in U.S. federal and state prisons, and county jails at year-end 2011 – about 0.94% of adults in the U.S. resident population.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_incarceration_rateWikipedia


One Million US Veterans Are In Prison, And 18 Commit Suicide Every Day
Jul. 18, 2011
http://www.businessinsider.com/brad-eifert-18-veterans-kill-themselves-every-day-special-veterans-court-2011-7


U.S. Veterans: By the Numbers
Nov. 11, 2011
While only a fraction of a percent of the country's population is currently serving, 7 percent of the population is veterans. There are 22,658,000 veterans in america today
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/us-veterans-numbers/story?id=14928136#3






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[Zippyjuan]

http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/vsfp04.pdf

Article from 2007.


The percentage of veterans among State and Federal
prisoners has steadily declined over the past three decades,
according to national surveys of prison inmates conducted
by the Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS). In 2004,10% of
State prisoners reported prior service in the U.S. Armed
Forces, down from 12% in 1997 and 20% in 1986. Since
BJS began surveying Federal prisoners in 1991, they have
shown the same decline over a shorter period. Overall, an
estimated 140,000 veterans were held in the Nation’s
prisons in 2004, down from 153,100 in 2000.

The majority of veterans in State (54%) and Federal (64%)
prison served during a wartime period, but a much lower
percentage reported seeing combat duty (20% of State
prisoners, 26% of Federal). Vietnam War-era veterans were
the most common wartime veterans in both State (36%) and
Federal (39%) prison. Veterans of the Iraq-Afghanistan eras
comprised 4% of veterans in both State and Federal prison.

The average length of military service of veterans in prison
was about 4 years. An estimated 62% of veterans received
an honorable discharge and 38% received various types of
other discharges.

Veterans in State and Federal prison in 2004 were almost
exclusively male (99%). When compared to other men in
the U.S. resident population, male veterans have had lower
incarceration rates. Among adult males, the incarceration
rate of veterans (630 prisoners per 100,000) was less than
half that of nonveterans (1,390 prisoners per 100,000). This
lower rate is due in part to age differences since older men
typically have lower incarceration rates. Most male veterans
(65%) were at least 55 years old in 2004, compared to 17%
of nonveteran men.

[enhanced_deficit]

http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/vsfp04.pdf

Article from 2007.

So things have gotten drastically worse from 2007 to 2015?

That 2007 report (before peak of Afghan war) doesn't contradict below in anyway, or does it?


43% of US prison population consists of US military veterans whereas they are only 7% of US general population. 22 Veternas commit suicide everyday (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?472727-One-Million-US-Veterans-Are-In-Prison-22-Commit-Suicide-Every-Day&p=5841199&viewfull=1#post5841199)

[Zippyjuan]

I went to the Business Insider link. In it, it claims:


He had planned on committing "suicide by cop," making him one of the 18 veterans that commit suicide every day in the United States. Instead he became one of the 1 million veterans sitting in jail -- one in 10 of all prisoners.

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/brad-eifert-18-veterans-kill-themselves-every-day-special-veterans-court-2011-7#ixzz3X9ZR0K3l

One in ten is not 43% of all prisoners.


Below would be another incredible statistic if reported numbers are accurate:

[enhanced_deficit]

I went to the Business Insider link. In it, it claims:



One in ten is not 43% of all prisoners.


Yep, and one million veterans in prison with a ratio of 1 in 10 woud make total US prison population 10 Million.

Perhaps more dd is needed on multiple ends to make sense of these reported numbers.

[Zippyjuan]

Somebody's numbers are certainly wrong. This Bureau of Justice report says that the prison population is only 1.574 million inmates as of December 31, 2013. http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/press/p13pr.cfm

If one million are veterans, then two thirds of prisoners are veterans. That does not seem likely. I think the issue is the claim of one million veterans in jail. I am unable to confirm that figure.

(article claiming that number was from 2011 and the link to "one million" is not working)

This article by a veteran outlines some of the difficulties: http://www.justicepolicy.org/news/2861


In spring 2008, I was part of a group of veterans’ advocates, criminal justice professionals, federal employees and researchers gathered to brainstorm around what had become, by then, an issue of note: the large numbers of Iraq and Afghanistan veterans who were experiencing some level of contact with our criminal justice systems. The product that resulted from this meeting was a policy brief entitled, “Responding to the Needs of Justice-Involved Combat Veterans with Service-Related Trauma and Mental Health Conditions.” The brief noted that on any given day, nine out of 100 men in jail or prison is a veteran; this figure, it stated, was in line with the percentage of the general population that are veterans – that is, veterans were not over-represented in the justice system.



It also notes:


Regarding the data itself, people are not required to declare whether they are veterans when they are arrested or become incarcerated. We therefore have to date relied on surveys. The DOJ-BJS 2000 and 2004 (released in 2007) surveys, done in conjunction with the U.S. Census Bureau, were based upon contact with one percent of all state and federal prison inmates.

[Anti Federalist]

1 million in "the system", I think is what they wanted to say.

In prison, on parole, on probation, PTI, halfway housed, completed sentence or any number of a thousand ways in which you could be enmeshed in the penal system.

That number is close to 7 million IIRC and I could see one in seven being vets.

[Christopher A. Brown]

How many have been imprisoned and are now out trying to hardscrabble?

I know a large percentage of folks my age that served have done time, primarily for dope.

And the guy that filed 9 civil rights lawsuits because of over 1,000 insanity actions missing from the court records, who subpoenaed other records that would prove they were absent; finds the sheriffs dept. Failing to appear on subpoena.
http://algoxy.com/law/nojustice3/cv06_comp/cv06_comp.exhib/subdengif.gif
And judges that refuse to disqualify there prejudiced selves, also refusing to use witnessed declarations stating the records were there a year earlier;
http://algoxy.com/missingknowledge/images/skuse.jpg
refusing to find the sheriffs dept in contempt; files a 4th federal suit to find a 125 year old court rule missing that provided a new magistrate and judge when filing with new co plaintiffs.
When a copy of the lawsuit is given to reporter at the local paper, two weeks later she is fired, and a month after that 16 more reporters and editors are fired or resigned, all gagged by the courts.

http://algoxy.com/law/no_free_press/sbsecretsofmedia.html

Why?

Because it is about effective mental health care that works directly with the unconscious mind. Which is 86% of our mental capacity at any given moment.

Soldiers could be healed from their deep psychological wounds by this treatment. Drug addicts and alcoholics could be recovered. Depressed and psychotic people could be helped. There is a decent chance a percentage of the schizoids could be cured too.

But when that rights violation by the district court, the secret removal of 125 year old court rules automatically providing a new magistrate and judge when a previously filed and dismissed case is re filed with new co plaintiffs, and that unconstitutional rights violation of secret removal of local court rules, appears to have spread across the nation is posted in the individual rights violations forum, it's moved into grassroots.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?471904-APROX-1-3-of-US-Deprived-Of-Critical-Pro-se-right-secret-revision-of-local-court-rules

Imagine that. One case of individual rights violation by a court. Which translates into an understanding of the entire nations pro se right to access to fair courts removed, can't be posted in the individual rights violations forum.

Does anyone really give a crap about these wounded warriors and others that are suffering? Does anyone really care about civil rights?

There is no way to know. Too confused and caught up in the social melee to even use reason, logic or to understand what rights really are or how to use them.

[Ronin Truth]

As far as I can tell, the Feds have always treated the veterans like crap.

[Anti Federalist]

As far as I can tell, the Feds have always treated the veterans like crap.

Ever since the Revolution.

[Pericles]

Ever since the Revolution.

Nothing is too good for our boys in uniform, so that is what we will give them. :)

[Warrior_of_Freedom]

According to a US Department of Justice report published in 2006, over 7.2 million people were at that time in prison, on probation, or on parole (released from prison with restrictions). That means roughly 1 in every 32 Americans are held by the justice system

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_incarceration_rate#Prison_population

[Christopher A. Brown]

As far as I can tell, the Feds have always treated the veterans like crap.

I wonder, and I really don't like saying this, if that is because soldiers allow themselves to be deceived and used since the civil war and cannot, under the infiltrated government existing since the act of 1871, defend the 1787 constitution?

As far as I can tell soldiers undergo severe psychological abuse at basic training, making them fear command and forget the constitution in any practical sense. This is very likely responsible for the drug and suicide issues present with soldiers and veterans.

I base that on the complete failure of veterans and active duty to discuss a legal and peaceful method that ALL soldiers have a constitutional right to pursue, assuring they ARE defending the constitution and a civil government actually operating under it. This was created while I was on the occupywallstreet site during their protests.

http://algoxy.com/ows/soldiersinquiry.html

I spent most of my time there trying to get the OWS group online to support the constitution that provided the right to free speech and assembly they probably were actually abusing on the ground. Not one person would carry the issue of Article V into their general assembly in NYC, and I wasn't the only one trying to get that done.

I knew then about the soros/adbuster connection and suspected it was a front for eventual socialism/communism conditioning. Seems like that's the case. I had tested adbuster back in 2004 and found them wholly unaccountable. It was a learning experience for sure working on the OWS site.

I actually found online agents operating as ADMINS interacting with covert agents manipulating discussion that I had encountered before, ironically then, using the guy fawkes icon so popular with OWS and anonymous now.

http://algoxy.com/psych/images/qsot.quasipsychthread.jpg

[Mani]

It's OK...because it's about Honor. All these dead troops off'ing themselves daily.....well..It's about HONOR, so it's OK.

Well Said Huckabee...It's all about Honor.

Let's have a drinking game everytime Huckabee says, "honor"


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ATI44XNKss


Troops are dying everyday...Killing themselves...ending up in jail...not getting proper care, or getting drugged into suicidal zombies...but hey...Huckabee says it's about HONOR.