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The Rebel Poet
04-12-2015, 01:03 PM
It’s correct to say that few Americans identify as libertarian. Only 11 percent said the term “libertarian” describes them well, according to a 2014 Pew Research poll.

Nor do very many Americans self-identify as socially liberal but economically conservative. Just 3 percent did so in a 2012 Gallup poll, in fact. Even fewer Americans — just 1 percent — fall into the category Krugman calls “hardhats,” that is, people who are socially conservative but economically liberal.

But how people label themselves is one thing. Americans sometimes leave a different impression when polled about specific issues. Often, their views are reasonably heterodox and not well represented by a one-dimensional political spectrum.

Take two issues that are taken as emblematic of the split between liberal and conservative viewpoints: gay marriage and income inequality. If Krugman is right, you should see few Americans who are in favor of same-sex marriage but oppose government efforts to reduce income inequality, or vice versa.

As it turns out, however, there are quite a number of them; about 4 in 10 Americans have “inconsistent” views on these issues. The General Social Survey asks Americans whether they favor or oppose gay marriage. It also asks them to rate, on a 7-point scale, whether the government ought to reduce income differences through higher taxes on the rich and income assistance to the poor.1 Here’s how Americans’ responses lined up in the poll in 2010 and 2012:

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LibertyEagle
04-12-2015, 01:14 PM
So, according to this it is the libertarian position to be for gay marriage? lololol

The Rebel Poet
04-14-2015, 11:29 AM
So, according to this it is the libertarian position to be for gay marriage? lololol
You right about that. I'd love to ask Nate to explain the NAP (would be hilarious). Anyway, this is about as deep and unbiased a critique as we're gonna get from a mainstream outlet.

Ronin Truth
04-14-2015, 02:38 PM
The NAP presents a HUGE impediment to many for some sets of savage and barbaric childish reasons.

Aspie Minarcho-Capitalist
04-14-2015, 04:24 PM
I'm pretty sure most of these self identified "libertarian leaning" millennials are none other than hedonistically libertine and economically insouciant krugmanites (unaware that they are socialists) who simply postulate that being pro-choice, advocating the government sanctioning of gay marriage as well as "positive discrimination" laws (a blatant infringement of the NAP and voluntary association), supporting supply-side tax-cuts as well as free trade agreements (not free market), supporting the faux-libertarian corporatist Koch brothers, opposing gun control and advocating drug decriminalization equivocates to being a libertarian. This is what I refer to as the ultra-beltway libertarian fallacy.