New book: Hamilton, Washington, Lincoln, Twain, Melville and Nixon - all gay.

[Anti Federalist]

LOL - Nixon was many things, but I think gay is not one, and I base that on his revulsion at the ***** gamboling he encountered at Bohemian Grove.




Were Lincoln and Nixon gay? The ‘history’ book that is dividing America

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/apr/11/were-lincoln-nixon-gay-history-book-divides-america

Gay-rights activist and award-winning author Larry Kramer is 79 and in failing health, but that won’t defuse the impact of his latest bombshell project: the first 800-page installment of a two-part history of America that tells of the secret gay life of figures from Alexander Hamilton, George Washington and Abraham Lincoln to Mark Twain, Herman Melville and Richard Nixon.

The American People: Volume 1, subtitled Search for My Heart, has taken nearly 40 years to complete and may prove to be one of the most provocative historical, or pseudo-historical, accounts of American history.

Kramer, who is co-founder of Aids services group Gay Men’s Health Crisis and the Aids Coalition to Unleash Power (Act Up), as well as a chronicler of ***** life with plays including The Normal Heart and The Destiny of Me, said the book is a labour of love designed to counter what he feels to be the exclusion of gays – or gay life – from history books.

“It may look like fiction, but to me, it’s not,” Kramer told the New York Times last week. “Most histories have been written by straight people. There has never been any history book written where the gay people have been in the history from the beginning.It’s ridiculous to think we haven’t been here for ever.”

The American People, Volume I: Search for My Heart is causing consternation among historians, who say there is little evidence to back Kramer’s claims.

Ron Chernow, author of an epic 2004 biography of Alexander Hamilton – the statesman Kramer claims was at least bisexual if not entirely gay – cautions against “ransacking history in service of a political agenda”.

Kramer also claims that John Wilkes Booth assassinated Abraham Lincoln not because he was unhappy that the South was losing the civil war, but because Lincoln had spurned him.

“You only have to look at photographs of Wilkes and [co-conspirator] Lewis Powell to see that they’re full of their own beauty. We call it gaydar – the thing straight historians don’t have. Or take Mark Twain. He had a huge gay life.”

Kramer has a history of initiating high-profile disputes. He had a war of words with Tony Kushner over acknowledging Lincoln’s orientation in his screenplay for Steven Spielberg’s 2012 biopic of the civil war president.

He scrapped with Barbra Streisand over her planned film adaptation of The Normal Heart. The author insisted it should include gay sex; Streisand retorted that her intention was “to promote the idea of everyone’s right to love. Gay or straight!”

The American People is likely to rankle with historians as there is no evidence many of historical figures were gay. He claims Lincoln biographer Doris Kearns Goodwin became “hysterical” at the suggestion of homosexual tendencies in the president but this was, he added in an interview with NPR, “only because she didn’t write it first”.

The book, which has been labelled as a novel to avoid legal complications, has divided US reviewers. LGBT magazine The Advocate said that at points in Kramer’s book “the reader will feel like the audience at Springtime for Hitler”. The New York Times calls it “a far-reaching historical exposé”.

The first volume spans pre-Columbian Florida, Puritans and early settlements (brimming with same-sex desire), the American revolution, the civil war and the years leading to the second world war. It includes a history of syphilis, hepatitis, hatred, ostracism, concentration camps, the CIA, and a shadowy disease. The disease is named as Aids in the second volume, due in 2017, which will bring the history to the present.

Aaron Hicklin, editor of Out magazine, said young members of the LGBT community are becoming interested in their history, a history that will not automatically be passed on because so many of the elder generation died young of HIV/Aids.

Whether it is absolutely accurate or not, The American People speaks to a need across gay and straight communities to revise historical accounts from which sexual orientation was absent. This can be seen in the mainstream – Benedict Cumberbatch as Alan Turing in The Imitation Game, for instance, or the story of Harvey Milk in Milk (2008) – but rarely goes further back in time.

“The gay historical timeline tends to go back as far as Oscar Wilde and no further,” said Hicklin. “There were pioneers before us but no one took the time to write about them, and there’s an appetite to claim a history that has been hidden from us.”

From some quarters there have been calls for a exclusively gay branch of archaeology directed solely at establishing sexual orientation (Kramer claims traces of semen found in the stools of English settlers prove his point).

But where gay rights warriors sought to define themselves as gay in defiance of the stigma around Aids, Hicklin considers that sexual orientation is no longer a singular marker of identity. “Young people feel much more a part of mainstream society, so a lot has been forgotten about the price that was paid.

“For Larry Kramer, it’s important to carry on being the archetypal activist who wants to *****ify history and bring it out into the public domain.”

Perhaps the most remarkable aspect of The American People is that it was written at all. Kramer began writing it in 1975, soon after publication of his groundbreaking novel ******s. He shelved it until 2000, when his liver was failing and he was given weeks to live.

By 2010, Kramer having had a liver transplant, the manuscript had swelled to 4,000 pages. Kramer’s editor at Macmillan says he is in no doubt that writing is what keeps him alive.

Kramer believes the injustice is continuing. Thirty five years since HIV/Aids was identified there is still no cure, and violence against gay people is increasing in several parts of the world. “We should have our own army as gays,” he told The Advocate.

“It’s lovely that we can get married, but that’s really small potatoes compared to what we don’t have, which is equality.”

[TheTexan]

Lincoln wasn't gay. He was too busy being a hero for this country, to be gay.

[phill4paul]

We call it gaydar – the thing straight historians don’t have.

Tough to argue with that logic.

[Anti Federalist]

Tough to argue with that logic.

You hateful homophobe, you.

[ThePaleoLibertarian]

Whether it is absolutely accurate or not, The American People speaks to a need across gay and straight communities to revise historical accounts from which sexual orientation was absent. This can be seen in the mainstream – Benedict Cumberbatch as Alan Turing in The Imitation Game, for instance, or the story of Harvey Milk in Milk (2008) – but rarely goes further back in time.

This is one of the biggest problems with the modern left. The truth of a proposition doesn't matter as long as it's useful to the leftist meta-narrative.

"It doesn't matter is that UVA girl was raped, it doesn't matter any of these historical figures are gay. What matters is the truth of the narrative, even though the narrative isn't based on any facts."


Kramer believes the injustice is continuing. Thirty five years since HIV/Aids was identified there is still no cure, and violence against gay people is increasing in several parts of the world. “We should have our own army as gays,” he told The Advocate.

“It’s lovely that we can get married, but that’s really small potatoes compared to what we don’t have, which is equality.”
So he thinks that there being no cure for Aids is proof of inequality and he wants a gay army. He's really one deranged old queen.

[TaftFan]

No conflict of interest here? A gay person trying to revise history and make great historical figures gay?

[enhanced_deficit]

This just goes to show how un-informing our media has been. Both Newsweek and the "warror of truth" winner are straight.

http://i.usatoday.net/communitymanager/_photos/on-politics/2012/05/14/obama-newsweekx-inset-community.jpg


Woman who called Michelle Obama "tranny", Obama "gay" honored with Grammy, "Warrior of Truth" Awards (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?468543-Woman-who-called-Michelle-Obama-quot-tranny-quot-honored-with-Grammy-quot-Warrior-of-Truth-quot-Awards)

[ThePaleoLibertarian]

In a few decades, this will be a widely quoted source and the homosexuality of these historical figures will have at least some level of mainstream acceptance. Just watch. Such is the sad state of modern social science.

[AuH20]

Charlotte Iserbyt & Bob Chapman had heard from legitimate sources that Reagan was a homosexual or bisexual. Go look up her interview. She's very adamant about her findings. Frankly, I don't know what to believe.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6duzXE-liFY

[enhanced_deficit]

Charlotte Iserbyt & Bob Chapman had heard from legitimate sources that Reagan was a homosexual or bisexual. Go look up her interview. She's very adamant about her findings. Frankly, I don't know what to believe.


This kind of attacks on conservative national heroes would have reapercushions.

Ann Coulter says Bill Clinton is gay
marcelgagne.com › Blogs › Marcel Gagne's blog
Right-wing socio-political pundit Ann Coulter apparently went on television claiming that former U.S. President Bill Clinton is gay. Clinton's purported response is ...

[euphemia]

This is a tactic of heterophobes: Out people who were married with children because the agenda calls for it.

This is something I discovered back in the last millenium when we were home schooling. Student was called on to research a 20th century female author. There is actally a whole series of books outing various famous people, whether there is any evidence to suggest they were gay, or not. Some people are openly gay. Some are not. If there is no evidence, then there is no evidence, but that doesn't stop heterophobes from promulgating lies. And shame on the publishers for not validating the research.

Heterophobes are about the most devious and corrupt people there are. Just a tick above personal injury attorneys and televangelists, and about two ticks below most congressmen/women.

Heterophobes are the ones who have an agenda and use any means to advance the agenda.

[specsaregood]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uv_WGEHr4I

[Ronin Truth]

Would the book's author be gay, perchance?

[tod evans]

Who gives a rats ass?

[PaulConventionWV]

LOL - Nixon was many things, but I think gay is not one, and I base that on his revulsion at the ***** gamboling he encountered at Bohemian Grove.




Were Lincoln and Nixon gay? The ‘history’ book that is dividing America

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/apr/11/were-lincoln-nixon-gay-history-book-divides-america

Gay-rights activist and award-winning author Larry Kramer is 79 and in failing health, but that won’t defuse the impact of his latest bombshell project: the first 800-page installment of a two-part history of America that tells of the secret gay life of figures from Alexander Hamilton, George Washington and Abraham Lincoln to Mark Twain, Herman Melville and Richard Nixon.

The American People: Volume 1, subtitled Search for My Heart, has taken nearly 40 years to complete and may prove to be one of the most provocative historical, or pseudo-historical, accounts of American history.

Kramer, who is co-founder of Aids services group Gay Men’s Health Crisis and the Aids Coalition to Unleash Power (Act Up), as well as a chronicler of ***** life with plays including The Normal Heart and The Destiny of Me, said the book is a labour of love designed to counter what he feels to be the exclusion of gays – or gay life – from history books.

“It may look like fiction, but to me, it’s not,” Kramer told the New York Times last week. “Most histories have been written by straight people. There has never been any history book written where the gay people have been in the history from the beginning.It’s ridiculous to think we haven’t been here for ever.”

The American People, Volume I: Search for My Heart is causing consternation among historians, who say there is little evidence to back Kramer’s claims.

Ron Chernow, author of an epic 2004 biography of Alexander Hamilton – the statesman Kramer claims was at least bisexual if not entirely gay – cautions against “ransacking history in service of a political agenda”.

Kramer also claims that John Wilkes Booth assassinated Abraham Lincoln not because he was unhappy that the South was losing the civil war, but because Lincoln had spurned him.

“You only have to look at photographs of Wilkes and [co-conspirator] Lewis Powell to see that they’re full of their own beauty. We call it gaydar – the thing straight historians don’t have. Or take Mark Twain. He had a huge gay life.”

Kramer has a history of initiating high-profile disputes. He had a war of words with Tony Kushner over acknowledging Lincoln’s orientation in his screenplay for Steven Spielberg’s 2012 biopic of the civil war president.

He scrapped with Barbra Streisand over her planned film adaptation of The Normal Heart. The author insisted it should include gay sex; Streisand retorted that her intention was “to promote the idea of everyone’s right to love. Gay or straight!”

The American People is likely to rankle with historians as there is no evidence many of historical figures were gay. He claims Lincoln biographer Doris Kearns Goodwin became “hysterical” at the suggestion of homosexual tendencies in the president but this was, he added in an interview with NPR, “only because she didn’t write it first”.

The book, which has been labelled as a novel to avoid legal complications, has divided US reviewers. LGBT magazine The Advocate said that at points in Kramer’s book “the reader will feel like the audience at Springtime for Hitler”. The New York Times calls it “a far-reaching historical exposé”.

The first volume spans pre-Columbian Florida, Puritans and early settlements (brimming with same-sex desire), the American revolution, the civil war and the years leading to the second world war. It includes a history of syphilis, hepatitis, hatred, ostracism, concentration camps, the CIA, and a shadowy disease. The disease is named as Aids in the second volume, due in 2017, which will bring the history to the present.

Aaron Hicklin, editor of Out magazine, said young members of the LGBT community are becoming interested in their history, a history that will not automatically be passed on because so many of the elder generation died young of HIV/Aids.

Whether it is absolutely accurate or not, The American People speaks to a need across gay and straight communities to revise historical accounts from which sexual orientation was absent. This can be seen in the mainstream – Benedict Cumberbatch as Alan Turing in The Imitation Game, for instance, or the story of Harvey Milk in Milk (2008) – but rarely goes further back in time.

“The gay historical timeline tends to go back as far as Oscar Wilde and no further,” said Hicklin. “There were pioneers before us but no one took the time to write about them, and there’s an appetite to claim a history that has been hidden from us.”

From some quarters there have been calls for a exclusively gay branch of archaeology directed solely at establishing sexual orientation (Kramer claims traces of semen found in the stools of English settlers prove his point).

But where gay rights warriors sought to define themselves as gay in defiance of the stigma around Aids, Hicklin considers that sexual orientation is no longer a singular marker of identity. “Young people feel much more a part of mainstream society, so a lot has been forgotten about the price that was paid.

“For Larry Kramer, it’s important to carry on being the archetypal activist who wants to *****ify history and bring it out into the public domain.”

Perhaps the most remarkable aspect of The American People is that it was written at all. Kramer began writing it in 1975, soon after publication of his groundbreaking novel ******s. He shelved it until 2000, when his liver was failing and he was given weeks to live.

By 2010, Kramer having had a liver transplant, the manuscript had swelled to 4,000 pages. Kramer’s editor at Macmillan says he is in no doubt that writing is what keeps him alive.

Kramer believes the injustice is continuing. Thirty five years since HIV/Aids was identified there is still no cure, and violence against gay people is increasing in several parts of the world. “We should have our own army as gays,” he told The Advocate.

“It’s lovely that we can get married, but that’s really small potatoes compared to what we don’t have, which is equality.”

I am a direct descendent of Herman Melville. I hate it when people misrepresent family like that. :mad:

[PaulConventionWV]

This just goes to show how un-informing our media has been. Both Newsweek and the "warror of truth" winner are straight.

http://i.usatoday.net/communitymanager/_photos/on-politics/2012/05/14/obama-newsweekx-inset-community.jpg


Woman who called Michelle Obama "tranny", Obama "gay" honored with Grammy, "Warrior of Truth" Awards (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?468543-Woman-who-called-Michelle-Obama-quot-tranny-quot-honored-with-Grammy-quot-Warrior-of-Truth-quot-Awards)

I would believe Obama was gay, but I honestly don't think he was the first, considering how saturated the power elite seem to be with pervy, pedophilic old men.

[euphemia]

You hateful homophobe, you.

Author's a heterophobe.

When people mention homophobia to me, as in, "I'm so sick of the homophobia," I don't bat an eye. "I guess I'm pretty sick of the heterophobia, myself."

[Anti Federalist]

Who gives a rats ass?

Normally I don't, but when history starts getting re-written right before my eyes, I tend to take notice.

[phill4paul]

I am a direct descendent of Herman Melville. I hate it when people misrepresent family like that. :mad:

You don't have the "gaydar." If you had the "gaydar" then you would be able to challenge the author on whose "gaydar" was more accurate. You don't, therefore, your belief that your family is misrepresented is invalid. If you slept with another man I suppose you could develop this "gaydar." However, the author would probably just point to the fact that your "gaydar" isn't as developed as his since yours would be newly gained. I guess you are just going to have to accept the fact that Melville smoked big dick.

[PaulConventionWV]

You don't have the "gaydar." If you had the "gaydar" then you would be able to challenge the author on whose "gaydar" was more accurate. You don't, therefore, your belief that your family is misrepresented is invalid. If you slept with another man I suppose you could develop this "gaydar." However, the author would probably just point to the fact that your "gaydar" isn't as developed as his since yours would be newly gained. I guess you are just going to have to accept the fact that Melville smoked big dick.

LOL

[libertarianMoney]

Is caring about the sexual predilections about people dead for hundreds of years a special kind of fetish or something?

Really? Why else would someone waste their life researching this? You can research how to save lives. You can create things that have never been created. Instead you choose to try and write tabloids about people dead for hundreds of years...

[phill4paul]

Is caring about the sexual predilections about people dead for hundreds of years a special kind of fetish or something?

Really? Why else would someone waste their life researching this? You can research how to save lives. You can create things that have never been created. Instead you choose to try and write tabloids about people dead for hundreds of years...

Apparently "gaydar" is a previously un-utilized research tool. There really is no telling the extent to the applicability of such a science.

[Uriel999]

Well I don't know if they were homosexual or not but Hamilton, Lincoln and Nixon did all suck dick. Sorry...somebody had to say it.

[Scrapmo]

Hamilton successfully f***** an entire country, so I guess that qualifies.

[Anti Federalist]

Hamilton successfully f***** an entire country, so I guess that qualifies.

Hey Scrap, good to see you.

[RJB]

If they'll claim that Alexander the Great was gay, they'll say anybody was gay.

[donnay]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPb-PN9F2Pc

[Scrapmo]

Hey Scrap, good to see you.

Thanks, I still lurk here every day, but it's pain trying to type anything out on a tablet.

[paleocon1]

typical bilge from the Left

[RDM]

Lincoln wasn't gay. He was too busy being a hero for this country, to be gay.

This is your definition of being a hero?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgA4qYpR5aI

[specsaregood]

Hamilton successfully f***** an entire country, so I guess that qualifies.

Well he was the son of a prostitute.

[idiom]

If they'll claim that Alexander the Great was gay, they'll say anybody was gay.

He wasn't so much gay as Greek. Introducing younger lads to sex with men was just good manners.

Plenty of authors and statesmen were gay. Doesn't mean these ones were.

Being aware of gay tendencies and having an openness to talking about them does mean you can make observations that really weren't possible in recent western civilization.

One of my favourites would be that Jane Austen was not gay in any way shape or form. However one of her characters maybe unintentionally gay because Jane based it so accurately on a real life person that Jane also didn't know was gay.

Life happens lads.

People have been gay for millennia, unless maybe its the fluoride making people chose to be social outcasts and lives their lives in hiding and shame?

[Philhelm]

For the record, if I ever become famous, I know I'm not gay; I've sucked over one hundred D's but didn't like it. :D

[Origanalist]

Is caring about the sexual predilections about people dead for hundreds of years a special kind of fetish or something?

Really? Why else would someone waste their life researching this? You can research how to save lives. You can create things that have never been created. Instead you choose to try and write tabloids about people dead for hundreds of years...

Some gay people don't seem to be able to think about anything but gayness. And let me be the first to say, this book sounds really gay.

[Origanalist]

For the record, if I ever become famous, I know I'm not gay; I've sucked over one hundred D's but didn't like it. :D

Really? Over a hundred? That's like totally gay......(rolls eyes and flips wrist in a exaggerated feminine way...)

[Pericles]

If they'll claim that Alexander the Great was gay, they'll say anybody was gay.

Truth matters not, only the party line.

[Anti Federalist]

For the record, if I ever become famous, I know I'm not gay; I've sucked over one hundred D's but didn't like it. :D

http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/466/626/c18.gif

[RJB]

I don't see what that all has to do with my post. There is NO historical evidence that Alexander the Great, Washington, etc. was gay. Oliver Stone's movie was idiotic portraying this military commander playing footsie with his men. There is a fascination with linking all love to sex which is disgraceful and places us no better than animals. I was blown away when I read a person refer to all the "homoeroticism in the Lord of the Rings" in a magazine article. Yes there is love between men. The brothers I met when I was in the Marines will never be forgotten, and to equate the brotherly love felt by comerades to sexual attraction is so screwed up. I just don't know how to explain it to a person with such a base understanding of human relations.


He wasn't so much gay as Greek. Introducing younger lads to sex with men was just good manners.

Plenty of authors and statesmen were gay. Doesn't mean these ones were.

Being aware of gay tendencies and having an openness to talking about them does mean you can make observations that really weren't possible in recent western civilization.

One of my favourites would be that Jane Austen was not gay in any way shape or form. However one of her characters maybe unintentionally gay because Jane based it so accurately on a real life person that Jane also didn't know was gay.

Life happens lads.

People have been gay for millennia, unless maybe its the fluoride making people chose to be social outcasts and lives their lives in hiding and shame?

[Stratovarious]

This is your definition of being a hero?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgA4qYpR5aI



The winning side always writes the history, sadly the winning side was the Federal Government, not just the North.
Bump for the judge.



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[Zippyjuan]

Are You Homosexual:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJWQQrjzvSU

[Anti Federalist]

"No, we're not homosexuals. But we are willing to learn!"

"Yeah, would they send us someplace special?"



Are You Homosexual:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJWQQrjzvSU