How is this not murder?

[Unknownuser]

LONGMONT, Colo. (CBS4) – A woman suspected of cutting an unborn baby from a woman’s belly in Longmont will face several charges, including attempted murder, in the attack.
Boulder County District Attorney Stan Garnett won’t charge Dynel Lane, 34, with murder. He discussed why during a news conference to announce the charges.
“Colorado criminal law defines homicide as ‘the killing of a person by another’ and it defines a person as ‘a human being who had been born and was alive at the time of the homicidal act. That person does not include a fetus even if the child is born following the injury which ultimately results in its death.’ On this point, Colorado law is absolutely unambiguous. A prosecutor cannot file murder charges when a baby who is killed, has not lived outside the body of the mother. For similar reasons I cannot bring charges of child abuse resulting in death,” said Garnett.

Read more.
http://denver.cbslocal.com/2015/03/27/woman-suspected-cutting-out-unborn-baby-womb-attempted-murder-assault/

The baby died. How is this not murder?

[morfeeis]

It's not murder because it would set court precedent that an unborn child is alive and a human being, if that ball got rolling then the whole baby murdering train could come to an end.

[Unknownuser]

It's not murder because it would set court precedent that an unborn child is alive and a human being, if that ball got rolling then the whole baby murdering train could come to an end.

Do you remember Lacey Peterson?

[William Tell]

It's not murder because it would set court precedent that an unborn child is alive and a human being, if that ball got rolling then the whole baby murdering train could come to an end.

Yeeeesss....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMrMxiO522E

[Sola_Fide]

It's not murder because it would set court precedent that an unborn child is alive and a human being, if that ball got rolling then the whole baby murdering train could come to an end.

Yep.

[Ronin Truth]

I guess it may just be a very crude and messy involuntary amateur abortion without a license by government legal standards. :p :mad:

[Danke]

The baby was born via a c-section. The baby was still alive when the husband came home, and doctors said the baby could have survived if the lady didn't leave the baby in a cold tub.

[Unknownuser]

It was born via a c-section. It was still alive when the husband came home, and doctors said ithe baby could have survived if the lady didn't leave the baby in a cold tub.

I'd really like to send this to Miss Schultz and ask her if this is murder.

[morfeeis]

Do you remember Lacey Peterson?

I had forgotten all about that. abortion is one of the most insane things i have ever heard of, not even from a moral viewpoint but just from a legal one. So he was charged with the murder of an unborn child but had she had an abortion it's ok? and we are only talking about a few weeks between legal abortion and a murder? it's just crazy to me and makes no sense to me...

[phill4paul]

States rights?

[GunnyFreedom]

LONGMONT, Colo. (CBS4) – A woman suspected of cutting an unborn baby from a woman’s belly in Longmont will face several charges, including attempted murder, in the attack.
Boulder County District Attorney Stan Garnett won’t charge Dynel Lane, 34, with murder. He discussed why during a news conference to announce the charges.
“Colorado criminal law defines homicide as ‘the killing of a person by another’ and it defines a person as ‘a human being who had been born and was alive at the time of the homicidal act. That person does not include a fetus even if the child is born following the injury which ultimately results in its death.’ On this point, Colorado law is absolutely unambiguous. A prosecutor cannot file murder charges when a baby who is killed, has not lived outside the body of the mother. For similar reasons I cannot bring charges of child abuse resulting in death,” said Garnett.

Read more.
http://denver.cbslocal.com/2015/03/27/woman-suspected-cutting-out-unborn-baby-womb-attempted-murder-assault/

The baby died. How is this not murder?

It is in NC.

Varies by State Law.

[lilymc]

It's not murder because it would set court precedent that an unborn child is alive and a human being, if that ball got rolling then the whole baby murdering train could come to an end.

Sad but true. :( +rep.

Then again, there have been cases where people were charged for a double crime when killing a pregnant woman. But the inconsistency/illogic of it all is ignored... just as they ignore that premature babies have survived (and are obviously considered human beings) at the same age that preborn babies can be legally killed in some places.

[morfeeis]

Yeeeesss....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMrMxiO522E

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYBYJaBrTP0


....

[H. E. Panqui]

Have the Republican/crat abortion prohibitionists Paul, Cruz, Rubio, etc. HONESTLY DIVULGED, SOMEWHAT PRECISELY, HOW THEIR FAVORED ABORTION LAW WOULD READ AND WHAT THE PENALTIES WOULD BE FOR VIOLATION OF THEIR LAW?! :confused:

(i didn't think so..you want to watch a republicrat blowhard abortion prohibitionist politician squirm wildly...ask them my ^^ question...with the recorder running) ;)

[acptulsa]

Have the Republican/crat abortion prohibitionists Paul, Cruz, Rubio, etc. HONESTLY DIVULGED, SOMEWHAT PRECISELY, HOW THEIR FAVORED ABORTION LAW WOULD READ AND WHAT THE PENALTIES WOULD BE FOR VIOLATION OF THEIR LAW?! :confused:

(i didn't think so..you want to watch a republicrat blowhard abortion prohibitionist politician squirm wildly...ask them my ^^ question...with the recorder running) ;)

Considering his father wanted to leave it up to the states, as per the Ninth and Tenth Amendments, Rand Paul has not disagreed with this to my knowledge, and neither has ever run for state office, I'd say any logical mind could figure out that Rand Paul won't be trying to interfere with the people who would pass such laws by kibbitzing. All he will do is find a way to get the ball back in their court.

Only someone so obsessed by the Republicrat or Demopublican false dichotomy that he can't even find his own belly button, much less tell friend from foe, would even ask.

Why can't you keep your random insults to your own threads? Is that behavior too civilized for you?

[Stratovarious]

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=124535

29 states have 'fetal homicide laws' , so killing babies once again is murder unless the mother hires the hit' .

Murder is not murder if you are a woman.

Men evil / women good .

, ,

[jmdrake]

LONGMONT, Colo. (CBS4) – A woman suspected of cutting an unborn baby from a woman’s belly in Longmont will face several charges, including attempted murder, in the attack.
Boulder County District Attorney Stan Garnett won’t charge Dynel Lane, 34, with murder. He discussed why during a news conference to announce the charges.
“Colorado criminal law defines homicide as ‘the killing of a person by another’ and it defines a person as ‘a human being who had been born and was alive at the time of the homicidal act. That person does not include a fetus even if the child is born following the injury which ultimately results in its death.’ On this point, Colorado law is absolutely unambiguous. A prosecutor cannot file murder charges when a baby who is killed, has not lived outside the body of the mother. For similar reasons I cannot bring charges of child abuse resulting in death,” said Garnett.

Read more.
http://denver.cbslocal.com/2015/03/27/woman-suspected-cutting-out-unborn-baby-womb-attempted-murder-assault/

The baby died. How is this not murder?


Rand Paul should pose that question to the head of the DNC. This insanity is what her warped mentality leads to. But yeah, even under the most liberal current abortion laws this should be considered a murder. It would be one thing if the baby died in utero but that's not what happened. Pro-life groups should remember this a run a well funded campaign against Stan Garrett next election cycle to teach him and others like him a lesson.


The baby was born via a c-section. The baby was still alive when the husband came home, and doctors said the baby could have survived if the lady didn't leave the baby in a cold tub.

Yep.


I'd really like to send this to Miss Schultz and ask her if this is murder.

Great minds think alike! Hopefully Rand is aware of this story.

[jmdrake]

Have the Republican/crat abortion prohibitionists Paul, Cruz, Rubio, etc. HONESTLY DIVULGED, SOMEWHAT PRECISELY, HOW THEIR FAVORED ABORTION LAW WOULD READ AND WHAT THE PENALTIES WOULD BE FOR VIOLATION OF THEIR LAW?! :confused:

(i didn't think so..you want to watch a republicrat blowhard abortion prohibitionist politician squirm wildly...ask them my ^^ question...with the recorder running) ;)

Trolling really hard today aren't you? But that's the usual for you.

[H. E. Panqui]

actuptulsa reads from the script: "Considering his father wanted to leave it up to the states, as per the Ninth and Tenth Amendments, Rand Paul has not disagreed with this to my knowledge,

:rolleyes:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Rand_Paul

Abortion and bioethics[edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Political_positions_of_Rand_Paul&action=edit&section=5)]

Paul is opposed to abortion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion).[27] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Rand_Paul#cite_note-nyt112509-27)[28] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Rand_Paul#cite_note-AP111109-28)[29] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Rand_Paul#cite_note-KRLA-29)[30] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Rand_Paul#cite_note-nydn052010-30)...Describing himself as "100% pro life," Paul has said, "I believe life begins at conception and it is the duty of our government to protect this life.... I have stated many times that I will always vote for any and all legislation that would end abortion or lead us in the direction of ending abortion."[32] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Rand_Paul#cite_note-sanctity-32) He has been a sponsor or cosponsor of several legislative measures to effectively ban virtually all abortions by recognizing a legal right to life of human embryos from the moment of fertilization (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_fertilization).[33] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Rand_Paul#cite_note-33)[34] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Rand_Paul#cite_note-34)[35] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Rand_Paul#cite_note-35)[36] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Rand_Paul#cite_note-lynch2012-36)[37] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Rand_Paul#cite_note-37)
Paul favors a federal ban on abortion, but he has said that until the U.S. Supreme Court overturns Roe v. Wade (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roe_v._Wade) or the nation passes a constitutional amendment to ban abortions nationwide, the legality of abortion should be left to the individual states to decide without federal involvement.[38] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Rand_Paul#cite_note-38)
During his senate campaign, Paul said he received a 100% pro-life score on a Kentucky Right to Life survey[39] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Rand_Paul#cite_note-39) ...He received a perfect score from the National Right to Life Committee (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Right_to_Life_Committee).[citation needed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed)]

(..btw, abortion prohibitionists, your lame 'states rights' talking point BEGS THE QUESTION, "WHAT STATE ABORTION LAWS DO YOU FAVOR AND WHAT PENALTIES DO YOU FAVOR FOR VIOLATION?...squirm on, abortion prohibitionists.. ;)

[CaptUSA]

:rolleyes:


Um...

If you had a Federal ban on abortion, it could still be up to the states to determine the penalties. Infanticide is a crime in all 50 states, but the level of punishment differs. So, I think your snide post actually confirmed what acptulsa was saying.

[jmdrake]

More trolling BS

Seriously I've engaged in discussions with you in the past and you always lie and say questions haven't been answered when they have. So what's the point? Become honest and then there can be discussion.

[Ralph Coffman]

Lets see. You pull the baby out of the womb except for it's head. Then you stick an instrument into the baby's brain and scramble it like an egg. The Baby dies and then you pull the Baby all the way out. That is a late term abortion my fellow Human Beings. Whewwwwwwww. It's a sad day when this is all right and accepted. The Cheerleaders of Death are everywhere. My Dad always said that the first person you kill is the hardest. We have become Numb... That's what happens when our Food & water & even air has been "Compromised". Fluoride, Chlorine, GMO's, Big Pharma's Poisons,and thousands of chemicals created in test tubes to duplicate real life. We are ALL victims now. The Real Holocaust is Upon US NOW! So just who is behind this Program of Eugenic Genocide? Anybody Know? Or is all this accidental and coincidental. Just remember that those who don't know the lessons of history are condemned to repeat those lessons always paying a bigger price until the lesson is learned or the lesson destroys you...

[Danke]

Seriously I've engaged in discussions with you in the past and you always lie and say questions haven't been answered when they have. So what's the point? Become honest and then there can be discussion.

How did he get three bars?

[H. E. Panqui]

"How did he get three bars?"

;)

(i believe i had four until you and the drake negged me/hissed at me..yup i'm the type of person who calls republicrats/authoritarians out...when i hear the stinking republicrat politicians working their cakeholes about how "iran can't have a nuke!"...i'm ALWAYS going to ask, "HOW MANY NUKES DO ISRAEL, THE US, ETC. HAVE?"..

...when i hear blowhard republicrat drug prohibitionists yacking about the latest federal 'anti-drug legislation,' i'm ALWAYS going to ask "WHERE IS THE CONSTITUTIONAL AUTHORIZATION FOR YOUR STINKING ANTI-DRUG LEGISLATION?"

...and when i hear some blowhard republicrat abortion prohibitionist cheerleading for (more) 'abortion legislation,' i'm ALWAYS going to ask, 'WHAT ABORTION LAWS DO YOU FAVOR? (AND AT WHAT LEVEL)..and "WHAT PENALTIES DO YOU FAVOR FOR VIOLATION OF THE LAWS YOU FAVOR?"..

...fairly simple question...the drake calls me a 'liar' and a 'troll' :rolleyes: claiming this simple, direct question has been answered..:rolleyes:...BUT HIS FAILURE TO MERELY COPY AND PASTE THE ANSWER HE (FALSELY) CLAIMS HAS BEEN ANSWERED REVEALS THE LIAR...and/or the delusion..

...i GUARANTEE, given the chance, i would/will ask any of you here, eye to eye, AND YOUR FAVORED PROHIBITIONIST POLITICIANS, the same question..what words will you utter?...the tape is running...;)

[mrsat_98]

Somebody forgot what posterity means.

[H. E. Panqui]

Somebody forgot what posterity means.


(probably true...as the notion, 'mind your business' has been lost..but, look around you...you can certainly understand someone not 'bringing a child' into a world controlled by gd cretins, monstrous fools, etc....

btw, lots of republicrat blow-holing about 'partial-birth abortions'...is there a lot of this going on??..how much???...:confused:..