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RonPaul4Prez2012
04-05-2015, 04:07 PM
Got to bring in those future Obumma voters I see.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2z1ElTSY68

presence
04-05-2015, 05:17 PM
http://i.imgur.com/bRs5rM1.png

Origanalist
04-05-2015, 06:17 PM
None of this crap surprises me anymore, we are beyond screwed.

fisharmor
04-05-2015, 06:20 PM
So, let's try again.... what is the constitutional justification for the federal government keeping people out of the US? And what is the constitutional justification for the federal government ejecting people from the US?

Zippyjuan
04-05-2015, 06:23 PM
A bit more info on it: http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2015/04/dhs-launches-family-reunification-refugee-program-for-central-americans/

Parent has to apply to have their kids brought and they must pass a DNA test to prove they are their children. It isn't blanket bringing in thousands of children.


A U.S.-based parent will initiate the application to bring his or her child in from any of the three Central American countries. To qualify they must be a permanent resident, a parolee or a beneficiary of Obama’s recent amnesty or deferred action. Many have probably lived illegally in the U.S. for years. The only out-of-pocket cost is for a DNA test to assure the child belongs to the applicant but Uncle Sam will reimburse the money if the result is positive. A U.S. official will interview the child, then a medical exam and “cultural orientation” will be conducted before the minor flies to the U.S. Once in the U.S. the illegal alien will get “resettlement assistance,” the State Department official confirmed during the teleconference.

If the applicant doesn’t qualify for the more desirable refugee status he or she can be considered for parole, a USCIS official explained in the teleconference, which was attended mostly by immigrant rights groups known for advocating on behalf of illegal aliens. Refugee status is a form of protection offered to those who are deemed of special humanitarian concern to the United States. Parole allows individuals who may be otherwise inadmissible to come to the U.S. on a case-by-case basis for urgent humanitarian reasons or significant public benefit. The State Department official assured that applicants need not express or document a credible fear to qualify under CAM because “we want to make sure this program is open to as many people as possible.”

Only applies to persons from three countries:


Specifically, the “program provides certain children in El Salvador, Guatemala and Honduras with a safe, legal, and orderly alternative to the dangerous journey that some children are undertaking to the United States,” according to a DHS memo obtained by JW this week. The document goes on to say that the CAM program has started accepting applications from “qualifying parents” to bring their offspring under the age of 21 from El Salvador, Guatemala or Honduras.

Anti Federalist
04-05-2015, 06:33 PM
program provides certain children in El Salvador, Guatemala and Honduras

Countries we have fucking turned upside-down in over a 100 years of US interventionism.

Zippyjuan
04-05-2015, 06:36 PM
Countires we have fucking turned upside in over a 100 years of US interventionism.

We have been funding revolution and chaos there for a long time. No wonder they have had little chance to develop economically or politically.

Stratovarious
04-05-2015, 07:21 PM
Countries we have fucking turned upside-down in over a 100 years of US interventionism.

7 or 8 years ago , I though Ron had a screw loose talking about us 'bringing terrorism on ourselves through our actions...' I though George
and George were stand up guys.
Fast forward...the truth sets us free, I want to see 95% at least of our military brought home, see us become a self sufficient Nation, and
let those mid east savages do as they please.

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euphemia
04-05-2015, 07:44 PM
So, let's try again.... what is the constitutional justification for the federal government keeping people out of the US? And what is the constitutional justification for the federal government ejecting people from the US?

What would be the constitutional justification for using taxpayer dollars to actually fly non-citizens into the US for free?

Jamesiv1
04-05-2015, 07:47 PM
What would be the constitutional justification for using taxpayer dollars to actually fly non-citizens into the US for free?
Why do you hate America?

Dianne
04-05-2015, 07:49 PM
The best part is when they come under Obama's amnesty they auto qualify for social security, food stamps, free Obumba care, free college tuition. So this is why when many of you reach retirement age, (forget your kids having anything) there won't be a dime of social security for you to collect even though you paid into the system for a lifetime. It will all be gone to Juan and Pedro who didn't pay a dime into the system.

Obama wants to give free everything to the world on your dollar.

euphemia
04-05-2015, 08:02 PM
Why do you hate America?

What?

puppetmaster
04-05-2015, 09:07 PM
The best part is when they come under Obama's amnesty they auto qualify for social security, food stamps, free Obumba care, free college tuition. So this is why when many of you reach retirement age, (forget your kids having anything) there won't be a dime of social security for you to collect even though you paid into the system for a lifetime. It will all be gone to Juan and Pedro who didn't pay a dime into the system.

Obama wants to give free everything to the world on your dollar.

free cell phones.....relocation benefits....what a way to keep on fucking the country over....

puppetmaster
04-05-2015, 09:08 PM
A bit more info on it: http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2015/04/dhs-launches-family-reunification-refugee-program-for-central-americans/

Parent has to apply to have their kids brought and they must pass a DNA test to prove they are their children. It isn't blanket bringing in thousands of children.



Only applies to persons from three countries:

So.....

56ktarget
04-05-2015, 09:26 PM
Paulite thinking:

Ron Paul exposed as the most corrupt member of Congress when it comes to travel spending- Paulite reaction: not a peep
Government tries to be compassionate and reunite families- Paulite reaction: sign of the end times

Dianne
04-05-2015, 09:41 PM
free cell phones.....relocation benefits....what a way to keep on fucking the country over....

I forgot about the Obama phones and airfare. We should all apply to change status to illegal immigrants.. OOOOOOPS, you and I both forgot free Section 8 housing. Free for them, not free for you and me.

Dianne
04-05-2015, 09:49 PM
Paulite thinking:

Ron Paul exposed as the most corrupt member of Congress when it comes to travel spending- Paulite reaction: not a peep
Government tries to be compassionate and reunite families- Paulite reaction: sign of the end times

How about a little compassion for the taxpayers who gave much thought on a career and education in order to support their own families... who are now on the line to financially support the poor choices of the world.

DevilsAdvocate
04-05-2015, 10:28 PM
There is a huge deliberate effort to ship in uneducated people and get them hooked on government benefits. It is a deliberate action by intellectuals and social engineers who want to permanently tip the USA over the edge towards socialism. Once you have more than 50% of the country hooked, it's a downhill slide from there to total government control of the distribution of resources in the economy.

The fact that so many Mexicans come here to work, and are starting their own businesses and finding the American dream is a huge obstacle to this goal. They need to get them dependent before they can build wealth. It is a lot better for them if they can get them all together as a racial group, that way they can use racial division to solidify the voting block.

69360
04-05-2015, 10:31 PM
Obama can do whatever he wants. You just figured that out?

NorthCarolinaLiberty
04-05-2015, 10:58 PM
Ron Paul exposed as the most corrupt member of Congress when it comes to travel spending...

No, that was only declared by a liberal group with liberal donors:



Several news stories — in this newspaper as well as in The Washington Post, The Wall Street Journal and others — have pointed out that much of CREW’s funding comes from liberal groups and big donors to Democratic candidates and causes. And all but a handful of its complaints against Members of Congress have targeted Republicans.


http://www.rollcall.com/issues/53_85/-21796-1.html

And I don't think you can claim Roll Call is some kind of conservative source. I think a former staffer of Roll Call was Nina Totenberg, lib extraordinaire. They are (I think) owned by the same people who own The Economist. Also affiliated with CQ.

ZENemy
04-06-2015, 07:56 AM
Hopefully one day folks will realize this will all stop when WE stop paying for it and stop allowing it.

I am one of thousands taking a moral stand and refusing to pay, we grow by the day.

There is no government, just people exercising rights they don't have... Because they can.

presence
04-06-2015, 08:57 AM
Paulite thinking:

Ron Paul exposed as the most corrupt member of Congress when it comes to travel spending- Paulite reaction: not a peep



2008 RP returns $58k to Treasury
2009 RP returns $80k to Treasury
2010 RP returns $100k to Treasury
2011 RP returns $140k to Treasury
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$378k

http://ivn.us/2011/04/02/ron-paul-returns-over-140000-his-office-budget-us-treasury/

2008 through 2011 RP "overpays" for airline tickets by a grand total of

$24k

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/16/ron-paul-defends-first-cl_n_1208495.html?

AuH20
04-06-2015, 09:10 AM
Mike Church goes into detail while explaining James Madison's view on immigration basked on the report that Madison wrote for the Virginia legislature. Gets juicy at the 7:43 mark.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNUQ8tk54F0

Two key points:
1. The federal government never had authority to control immigration, only the states
2. The U.S. Constitution never applied to illegal aliens despite what our fraudulent courts say. Only citizens are parties to the constitution.



http://www.mikechurch.com/transcripts/the-founders-transcripts/james-madison-on-taxes-and-immigration/


At the same time, the House of Representin’, in 1795, in January of 1795, is considering also a bill to write a uniform rule of naturalization. Way, way back in the day they were considering immigration? Yes, they were. Folks, ladies and gentlemen, you would not believe the bigotry. You would not believe the dripping bigotry that comes from the pen of Jimmy Madison when he writes to Pendleton warning about: Wait a minute now, we don’t want to import certain kinds of individuals because they’re going to cause problems. Let’s deal with the nobility first, or in dealing with this we get to the part about nobility. Here’s what Madison writes to Pendleton. By the way, this applies to today’s debate over immigration, today’s discussion in the House of Representin’ that’s going to go on over the Senate-passed immigration bill, the amnesty bill that many believe is going to spell the end, if you’re of this variety, the end of the Republican Party as it has been described. This is relevant to today...

http://www.mikechurch.com/transcripts/immigration-is-simple-either-theyre-alien-enemies-or-alien-friends/


If a one-size-fits-all solution won’t work for 311 million when it comes to healthcare, why in dude’s holy name do some of you believe it will work when it comes to immigration? Every state is unique. Every locality is unique. It would seem to me that the populations of those states and localities would be unique. One locality may say: Yes, we have lots of asparagus, lots of lettuce and bell peppers. We need pickers. People don’t like picking but we can import alien friends here and they’ll do the picking. You can actually legalize that, too. You can make them legal members of your state. There is nothing in the Constitution that says you can’t. You can’t naturalize them as American citizens, but you can treat them as alien friends. That’s what the whole fight over the alien part of the Alien and Sedition Act was.

If Congress wants to deal with this in a constitutionally consistent manner, what I think they ought to do is they ought to have the testicles to declare those that are here illegally as alien enemies. That might require then a declaration of war against Central American countries, but then the designation of alien enemies would apply and you could then deal with the problem. Short of that, all this is going to do is produce more tears. It’s not going to solve the problem. I do not believe that expanding the size of the gargantuan federal leviathan by adding border patrol agents of a national nature is going to solve what amounts to a local problem.

AuH20
04-06-2015, 09:13 AM
None of this crap surprises me anymore, we are beyond screwed.

My sentiments exactly. We have starving kids in this country and we're flying in the more destitute for long-term demographic reasons?

jmdrake
04-06-2015, 09:14 AM
So, let's try again.... what is the constitutional justification for the federal government keeping people out of the US? And what is the constitutional justification for the federal government ejecting people from the US?

What is the constitutional justification for flying people into the U.S.? Come on. It's one thing to be for open borders. It's another for the taxpayers to fit the bill for immigration.

AuH20
04-06-2015, 09:34 AM
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osan
04-06-2015, 09:51 AM
Got to bring in those future Obumma voters I see.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2z1ElTSY68


Lets summarize the general political environment.

'Bammy does mostly anything he pleases. Congress does nothing to stop him. They do not, in fact, even raise much of a verbal fuss, what with all their equivocating, soft-porn euphemism-blather that comes forth in timid poots and fups. Their dignities would be better served were they to remain silent altogether, rather than utter such apparently insincere whispers of protest.

It is clear that not nearly enough in those halls of state iniquity have any interest in what is right. I could probably count them on my one hand and have a couple fingers remaining unused.

What part of this truth leads one to believe that our situation can be remedied by doing the same things that lead us here in the first place?

Anyone?

osan
04-06-2015, 09:53 AM
What is the constitutional justification for flying people into the U.S.?

This is the wrongest question to ask.

How about: "what is the constitutional basis for putting this criminality to its prompt, decisive, and permanent end?"

AuH20
04-06-2015, 09:54 AM
This is the wrongest question to ask.

How about: "what is the constitutional basis for putting this criminality to its prompt, decisive, and permanent end?"

Lawlessness begets lawlessness. Obama or his handlers aren't looking ahead or maybe they just don't want to.

osan
04-06-2015, 10:00 AM
Paulite thinking:

Ron Paul exposed as the most corrupt member of Congress when it comes to travel spending- Paulite reaction: not a peep
Government tries to be compassionate and reunite families- Paulite reaction: sign of the end times

I hope you realize that with this you have committed libel? If you do not know what libel is, look it up.

AFAIK, in some states libel is actually a crime punishable by jail time. In every state it is an offense for which remedies may be sought.

You should think about that the next time you are thinking of making unqualified statements of fact that happen to be false. And if you think that you can pull some "proof" out of your asshole by which to demonstrate the truth of your assertion, you should consider what a jury might think, especially in a civil action where judgment is made based on preponderance of evidence. Juries, typically, are really not stupid. When your lawyer attempts to employ some nonsense "National Enquirer"-league website "proof" of your accusations, I suspect you will shortly thereafter be staring down the barrel of your own .22, begging heaven the courage to pull the trigger because your plaintiff just scored everything you own for the next 35 years.

Have a good day, and be careful.

osan
04-06-2015, 10:05 AM
Lawlessness begets lawlessness.

Not sure what you mean here.


Obama or his handlers aren't looking ahead or maybe they just don't want to.


Neither. They don't have to. We, through our failures as free men ( a appellation few of us earn ) have demonstrated to Themme that they can do anything they damned please. Name a single substantive thing that has been done, and by whom, which has had the significant and nation-wide effect of improving our general state of liberty.

fisharmor
04-06-2015, 10:05 AM
What is the constitutional justification for flying people into the U.S.? Come on. It's one thing to be for open borders. It's another for the taxpayers to fit the bill for immigration.

I did not put the words "illegal alien children" in the title of this thread.
Clearly the purpose of this thread is to get people riled up over the fact that these children are "illegal aliens", not the fact that Obama is paying for their airfare.

And taxpayers already foot the bill for deportation, and not only do most here not give a shit, but they accept this as a primary function of the federal government.

The entire thread revolves around the federal government's supposed constitutional power to control ingress to and force egress from the US.
So I ask again, how is this constitutionally justified?

AuH20
04-06-2015, 10:07 AM
Not sure what you mean here.


Civility is hanging on by a string due to the illusion we call law. Once law is deemed illegitimate by the populace, the chief abusers of said laws have the most to fear.

fisharmor
04-06-2015, 10:08 AM
Civility is hanging on by a string due to the illusion we call law. Once law is deemed illegitimate by the populace, the chief abusers of said laws have the most to fear.

All statutory law is illegitimate by nature.

acptulsa
04-06-2015, 10:10 AM
Government tries to be compassionate and reunite families- Paulite reaction: sign of the end times

Either that, or we're wondering why the families split themselves up in the first place, and why it wouldn't be cheaper (no DNA testing required) to reunite them by shipping the ones who aren't where they are legally allowed to be back to the ones who are where their citizenship lies.


All statutory law is illegitimate by nature.

Must be why those who break it deserve to have the airfare for the children they held hostage by leaving them behind paid up as a reward. I wonder if they'll be using your argument as a justification?

AuH20
04-06-2015, 10:12 AM
Vets are left to die on contrived backlog lists in the VA system, but now we're flying in Central American children that have no ties or contract with the United States? You almost have to laugh at the duplicity.

osan
04-06-2015, 10:22 AM
Hopefully one day folks will realize this will all stop when WE stop paying for it and stop allowing it.

I am one of thousands taking a moral stand and refusing to pay, we grow by the day.

There is no government, just people exercising rights they don't have... Because they can.

Precisely so. And how, pray tell, do we think will set this to rights? Talk? Voting? Protesting with signs and chanting?

All of that is pure FAIL.

At the end of the day, the only thing that makes real the quality of our lives is our willingness and our choice to stand up for those which are our rights, GUNS IN HAND, or the absence of it. If you are of such a mind, then at least be ready for it in the event it comes, and make not the error of assuming that the day will never arrive. Thought it appears that way to me more and more by the day, I've been fooled before. People will surprise you when you least expect it. I hope to be surprised.

Those in the high seats are not intimidated by us. They have no fear of us because we allayed all causes through our inaction and the rank stupidity of accepting the endlessly rotten and utter lie that unequivocal physical measures are never the answer. I am afraid that now it is likely the only answer. Those people, the ones who have raked your parents over the coals for all their lifetimes, who have taken you into a state of relative poverty, and who have sold your children and the rest of your posterity into de-facto slavery, are not going away, not backing down, and will see you and your grandchildren dead before they would cede the least crumb of their power. It will never happen, save by making it happen by whatever means is necessary. For those whose failures to accept and act upon this truth results in abject misery, my only counsel to such people will be, "shut the fuck up and bear with a bright and cheery smile the chains for which you so insistently begged."

There ain't no such thing as a free lunch. Freedom isn't free. You want? REALLY want? Not going to get by crying and attempting to persuade with reason. Theye don't give the least damn about what you want. That leaves pretty much one option. I'll leave the answering to you.

osan
04-06-2015, 10:31 AM
Civility is hanging on by a string due to the illusion we call law. Once law is deemed illegitimate by the populace, the chief abusers of said laws have the most to fear.

This raises some interesting questions and possibilities.

If our general state of common civility is in fact hanging by a thread, what might be the result if and when it breaks? Against whom will the population act? Will they choose the correct targets? No doubt much of the fedgov will become corpses, rotting in an unmarked mass grave, left open for the buzzards. That would likely be a good thing, if not carried into a new Terror. But what about the rest? I fear that in places such as California and Arizona, there will be massive race wars. I could see MX taking this as an opportunity to reclaim that which I no doubt am certain they still covet. If things go sufficiently unstable here, I have little doubt that would be the Mexican play. They could easily suck up another 100 miles of the southern border if we are too busy killing each other.

Stratovarious
04-06-2015, 01:28 PM
Article 4 section 4
The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence.

Shall is not an option, but this in of itself does not incicate States have no right to secure against invasion, which is claimed by DHS.

DHS can #### up a rope , we don't even need them , another federal agency against it's own citizens, that can't even be trusted to take out the trash.



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Stratovarious
04-06-2015, 01:30 PM
Defund DHS, TSA , NSA, (80% of ATF funds ).

We have 10 redundant bureacracies for every one that we actually need.

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Zippyjuan
04-06-2015, 06:58 PM
Article 4 section 4
The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence.

Shall is not an option, but this in of itself does not incicate States have no right to secure against invasion, which is claimed by DHS.

DHS can #### up a rope , we don't even need them , another federal agency against it's own citizens, that can't even be trusted to take out the trash.



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How big is the invasion we need to be protected from?

Stratovarious
04-06-2015, 07:27 PM
How big is the invasion we need to be protected from?


One Radical Muslim Terrorist is too many.
One Hepatitis carrying Haitian is too many.
One Ebola Patient from Ghana is too many.
One Mexican with Tuberculosis is too many.
One Illegal alien from anywhere is too many.
One Zippy with crabs and herpes is too many.

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Zippyjuan
04-06-2015, 07:42 PM
So we should spend billions rounding them up and sending them out of the country at taxpayer expense. I need to see your papers to prove you belong here. We will have to check you at every opportunity to be sure we get every one. At work, walking on the streets, driving your car (roadblocks may be an option), when you apply for a loan, when you open a bank account, when you apply for a job or school. And we can never let up. You never know when another one will sneak by. We have to get every last one.

Sure it will cost lots of tax dollars but I am sure you would be happy to chip in. Sure it will require some sacrifices- but what good are civil liberties anyways if there might be a foreigner among us? You can't trust anybody. Observe and report. Your neighbor just might be one of "them". Or you might be. Big Brother thanks you for your service in supporting this cause. It will make everybody freer.

osan
04-06-2015, 09:15 PM
So we should spend billions rounding them up and sending them out of the country at taxpayer expense.

No. We bill the nations responsible for not keeping their people on leashes. :)

AuH20
04-06-2015, 09:42 PM
No. We bill the nations responsible for not keeping their people on leashes. :)

It really is that simple. Nothing wrong with guests as long as they keep their hands to their selves, but we know that never happens.

http://www.mikechurch.com/founders-tradin-post/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/This_is_a_border_DETAIL.jpg

fisharmor
04-06-2015, 09:55 PM
and shall protect each of them against Invasion;

Tell me, o constitutional scholar,
Why does the word "militia" in the 2nd Amendment not refer specifically to the military? That is every bit as good faith a reading of that amendment as you have made of article 4 section 4.

Why does the word "among" in the commerce clause not grant the federal government power over anything which can conceivably affect commerce anywhere? That is every bit as good faith a reading as your reading of article 4 section 4.

fisharmor
04-06-2015, 09:57 PM
It really is that simple. Nothing wrong with guests as long as they keep their hands to their selves, but we know that never happens.
Wow, you just cut the foreplay and went straight for the racism this time.

AuH20
04-06-2015, 10:02 PM
Wow, you just cut the foreplay and went straight for the racism this time.

Racism? The French live in France. The Germans live in Germany. And so on and so forth. When you have a large portion of another population flooding into another nation, I think common sense should prevail. They (the mob as opposed to the individual) don't belong here. It's like a round block trying to be forced into a square hole. It would be the same situation if a staggering amount of Americans tried to suddenly descend upon Buenos Aires in large numbers. Mass migrations like that would be (a) unnatural and (b) dangerous to liberty.

AuH20
04-06-2015, 10:18 PM
I was thinking about the stipulations that would be acceptable in my eyes so as to let the undocumented stay. I think these 5 would be no-brainers.

(1) Revoke 14th Amendment birthright citizenship as Ron Paul advocated. That would put a sudden end to Chinese 'maternity tourism.'
(2) Close all welfare and EITC loopholes that illegals exploit
(3) Clean up ICE so as to immediately process serious criminals (multiple drunk driving violations, rape, murder, etc.) who are undocumented
(4) Narrow the parameters for a path of citizenship in light of the long line (years upon years) that others lawfully abided for. Ethnicity or country of origin shouldn't let one cut ahead of the line.
(5) Terminate any thoughts of amnesty or granting of voting rights to a block of former non-citizens

Weston White
04-07-2015, 04:41 AM
Paulite thinking:

Ron Paul exposed as the most corrupt member of Congress when it comes to travel spending- Paulite reaction: not a peep
Government tries to be compassionate and reunite families- Paulite reaction: sign of the end times

Oh yea: Aaron Schock resigns after new questions about mileage expenses (http://www.politico.com/story/2015/03/aaron-schock-resigns-116153.html)

Weston White
04-07-2015, 05:00 AM
I need to see your papers to prove you belong here. We will have to check you at every opportunity to be sure we get every one. At work, walking on the streets, driving your car (roadblocks may be an option), when you apply for a loan, when you open a bank account, when you apply for a job or school. And we can never let up. You never know when another one will sneak by. We have to get every last one.

Sure it will cost lots of tax dollars but I am sure you would be happy to chip in. Sure it will require some sacrifices- but what good are civil liberties anyways if there might be a foreigner among us? You can't trust anybody. Observe and report. Your neighbor just might be one of "them". Or you might be. Big Brother thanks you for your service in supporting this cause. It will make everybody freer.

You just described America's present reality.

Stratovarious
04-07-2015, 05:01 AM
So we should spend billions rounding them up and sending them out of the country at taxpayer expense. I need to see your papers to prove you belong here. We will have to check you at every opportunity to be sure we get every one. At work, walking on the streets, driving your car (roadblocks may be an option), when you apply for a loan, when you open a bank account, when you apply for a job or school. And we can never let up. You never know when another one will sneak by. We have to get every last one.

Sure it will cost lots of tax dollars but I am sure you would be happy to chip in. Sure it will require some sacrifices- but what good are civil liberties anyways if there might be a foreigner among us? You can't trust anybody. Observe and report. Your neighbor just might be one of "them". Or you might be. Big Brother thanks you for your service in supporting this cause. It will make everybody freer.


lol


BORDERS


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Stratovarious
04-07-2015, 05:59 AM
Tell me, o constitutional scholar,
Why does the word "militia" in the 2nd Amendment not refer specifically to the military? That is every bit as good faith a reading of that amendment as you have made of article 4 section 4.

Why does the word "among" in the commerce clause not grant the federal government power over anything which can conceivably affect commerce anywhere? That is every bit as good faith a reading as your reading of article 4 section 4.

lol

The right to bear arms shall not be infringed. The word 'Shall' is not a suggestion, it is a mandate.
The Bill of Rights is about rights to Citizens not armies.
Good of you to bring up the 'Well regulated Militia' we should adopt the Swiss tradition, we have been slacking in that
area.


Commerce Clause:
"To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes"

Commerce is the exchange of goods and services, your assertion claims eyesight, hearing, desires, preferences, tastes, interests,
hobies, smell, labor, children, pets, etc, are authorized through the commerce clause to be regulated by the Federal Gov, as
the all surely 'could' have an affect on Commerce.




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Zippyjuan
04-07-2015, 01:46 PM
It really is that simple. Nothing wrong with guests as long as they keep their hands to their selves, but we know that never happens.

http://www.mikechurch.com/founders-tradin-post/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/This_is_a_border_DETAIL.jpg

Net immigration from Mexico has been zero or negative since 2007. There is no flood of immigrants coming from Mexico. Immigrants today (legal and illegal) are now coming from Asia. Maybe we need a bigger wall between the US and Asia.

http://www.pewresearch.org/files/2014/11/mexican-unauthorized.png

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/11/18/5-facts-about-illegal-immigration-in-the-u-s/