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James_Madison_Lives
04-01-2015, 02:00 PM
https://marathontrial.wordpress.com/2015/04/01/the-burning-question-how-did-the-fbi-get-its-pictures-mixed-up-at-tsarnaev-trial

The Burning Question: How Did the FBI Get its Pictures Mixed Up at Tsarnaev Trial?

By Publius

A question which has not been raised by the defense in the Tsarnaev trial won’t seem to go away. The question challenges the veracity of the FBI in every way, down to its willingness to attempt to deceive the public, if this question cannot be satisfactorily answered. The question derives its significance from the plain simple forensic fact that once a still photograph is taken, parts or people within it cannot move. Not even a little bit. People move in videos. But not still photographs. Keep this simple fact in mind.


So when a Marathon runner took a photograph (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/19/david-green-boston-marathon-suspect-dzhokhar-tsarnaev-photo_n_3118601.html) of the chaos at Boylston and Fairfield Streets, after the Boston bombs went off, it was on the spur of the moment, before he continued ahead to help the injured. It was not until later that it was discovered that the photograph apparently contained a small figure, a young man, who was of interest to law enforcement. That young man wore a white baseball cap, turned backwards, and seemed to be walking, along with the crowd, away from the location of the carnage. The FBI declared that the iPhone picture showed none other than Dzhokhar Tsarnaev. Without his backpack.


“Conspiracy theorists,” a term now for people who tend not to take anything the government says at face value, immediately jumped on the image, saying that it looked like something behind the image, about where a backpack would be, had been airbrushed out. At best the argument was inconclusive. But when the prosecution showed the photo again in 2015, within a compilation of surveillance videos, something happened that could not happen in a still photo: Dzhokhar moved. The prosecution’s 2015 image can be seen at minute 9:02 in official prosecution video compilation (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0ji_O1exwE).


Not much. But remember, this is a still photo. One copy, if it is a copy, looks exactly like another. In the photograph taken by the Marathon runner shown to the public in 2013, Dzhokhar Tsarnaev is well past a wooden door with a bald man standing next to it. In the version of the photo shown to the jury, Tsarnaev is right in front of the door and the bald man.


https://marathontrial.files.wordpress.com/2015/03/david-green-boston-marathon-bombing-suspect.jpg?w=300&h=212 (https://marathontrial.files.wordpress.com/2015/03/david-green-boston-marathon-bombing-suspect.jpg)
Photo taken by Marathon runner released in 2013.

https://marathontrial.files.wordpress.com/2015/03/juryvid.png?w=300&h=162 (https://marathontrial.files.wordpress.com/2015/03/juryvid.png)
Photo introduce to jury in Tsarnaev trial, 2015, at minute 9:02 in official prosecution video compilation.



Is it a different photograph, taken at nearly the same time and from the same angle? If so, it cannot have been taken by the Marathon runner, who told the New York Daily News (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/tiny-victim-bombing-recovering-article-1.1320266): “It was one shot and it was the shot that counted.”
The runner told NBC Miami (http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/Florida-Runner-Took-Photo-of-Suspect-Fleeing-Boston-Marathon-203825911.html):


“I thought maybe it was a cannon…Then the second one exploded as he was walking toward it. When I saw it, I pulled out the camera and immediately took that picture.”

He then put it back in his pocket and went to help the injured.


That means either someone, not this Marathon runner, was standing right next to him, to capture almost exactly the same angle, and snapped the shutter within no more than a second from the time the Marathon runner snapped his. But the runner did not say anything about another cameraman, nor did another cameraman step forward after the first one did and say, “hey, I have almost the same picture” and hand it to law enforcement.


The Marathon runner’s photo was hailed as a great stroke of good luck in helping to solve the crime, in depicting an image of someone who had been seen in surveillance photos with a backpack, now without his backpack. The hunt for the Tsarnaev brothers was on.
There is one problem. In the etched-in-stone, fixed-pixel world of still photographs, which is what the Marathon runner took, not a video, Dzhokhar moved. “It was one shot and it was the shot that counted” he said.


Another possible explanation, one might think, is that maybe there was a surveillance camera, which just happened to be trained on exactly the same spot at the same angle, and this is a frame from the surveillance camera video. If so, the government should be able to produce the entire video, where we can see Tsarnaev move across the corner at the building of Boylston and Fairfield.

It just so happens, though, that the corner does not seem to have a surveillance camera or anything for that surveillance camera to watch, except a barren brick wall. Below is what was behind the Marathon runner who took the picture, looking back in the opposite direction.


https://marathontrial.files.wordpress.com/2015/04/boylstonfairfield.jpg?w=229&h=300 (https://marathontrial.files.wordpress.com/2015/04/boylstonfairfield.jpg)
Corner of Boylston and Fairfield Streets, looking back away from corner of brick building where Tsarnaev image is shown.



If the source of the photo with Dzhokhar in front of the door and the bald man cannot be produced, then there is only one conclusion. The image shown to the public in 2013 was manipulated in the first place, and carelessly replaced with a different manipulation, or remanipulated slightly differently. There is only one thing we know, that it cannot be one and the same photo as the one the Marathon runner took. Because in still photos, people do not move. Not even a little bit. No matter how much time goes by. article: https://marathontrial.wordpress.com/2015/04/01/the-burning-question-how-did-the-fbi-get-its-pictures-mixed-up-at-tsarnaev-trial/

dannno
04-01-2015, 02:30 PM
Do they claim it was a different photo? Maybe there was a video camera they got it off of? It would be VERY coincidental if two people took those similar photos right at the same moment...but the angle of the door is different, so it indicates they may be different.. but still something that should be explained, where did they get the second photo?

Ender
04-01-2015, 02:40 PM
Do they claim it was a different photo? Maybe there was a video camera they got it off of? It would be VERY coincidental if two people took those similar photos right at the same moment...but the angle of the door is different, so it indicates they may be different.. but still something that should be explained, where did they get the second photo?

Has to be a different photo- the people around him are completely different.

Sam I am
04-01-2015, 02:53 PM
The top photo is taken a couple of seconds later then the first one.

It's also taken closer to the building, and it's taken from an angle that's to the left of where the bottom photo is taken. It looks like the front 3 people in the top photo are just off the screen in the bottom photo

Zippyjuan
04-01-2015, 03:01 PM
Photo is cropped. Based on where Tzarnaev is relative to the man in the background, second photo was taken before the first. The people in the foreground are obviously running so may have entered the frame of view between the two shots. Tzarnaev also looks like he is running (note how high rear foot is raised- walking it would be near the ground). Other image is probably cropped to. Google image search doesn't find that original for me.

The photographer may have caught a "series" of images- not just one. It has happened to you as well most likely- you go to take a picture of something, hit the button, and instead of clicking once, you get two or three images. They used the "best" one for the trial.

Larger image:

http://i.imgur.com/Tw3Fz1j.jpg

limequat
04-01-2015, 03:07 PM
Also different is the height of the lens.

The first picture looks to be just above eye level.
Tsarnaev's hat is about level with the shoulder of the man by the door.

In the second picture Tsarnaev's hat is at his belly. To get that angle...he picture would have been taken from a different level altogether. Like from the roof of the building across the street. No way a dude in the street could take that pic without a ladder.

Zippyjuan
04-01-2015, 03:15 PM
There is also security cam video of him running.

http://www.wsbt.com/news/nationworld/new-video-shows-tsarnaev-running-after-blast/31705490

James_Madison_Lives
04-01-2015, 04:57 PM
Photo is cropped. Based on where Tzarnaev is relative to the man in the background, second photo was taken before the first. The people in the foreground are obviously running so may have entered the frame of view between the two shots. Tzarnaev also looks like he is running (note how high rear foot is raised- walking it would be near the ground). Other image is probably cropped to. Google image search doesn't find that original for me.

The photographer may have caught a "series" of images- not just one. It has happened to you as well most likely- you go to take a picture of something, hit the button, and instead of clicking once, you get two or three images. They used the "best" one for the trial.

Larger image:

http://i.imgur.com/Tw3Fz1j.jpg

David Green, the photographer, said "it was one shot and it was the shot that counted," not "I found I had two shots on my camera." For something as big as this he would distinguish between one shot and two. If law enforcement had two they would have released two, because they both prove the point that Dzhkhar does not have backpack, what they are after.

NY Times even provides a split second time stamp for one photo, not a series:
http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/04/18/new-higher-resolution-image-of-boston-marathon-suspect-emerges/?_r=0

Shortly after finishing the Boston Marathon this week David Green, 49, was walking to meet friends when two bombs exploded in front of him as he faced east on the corner of Fairfield and Boylston Streets. He snapped a photograph with his iPhone before rushing to help those wounded. It was time-stamped at 2:50:15 p.m.

Also the first one is clearly better quality, from a better angle for the face. Why didn't they use that one if there were two?

Finally I must say I can really see what the CTers are talking about, there is a shape that doesn't look natural behind Tsarnaev, like a rectangle, about where a backpack should be. Might mean nothing but mighty peculiar.

http://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/img/xx51737690.JPG

The gov. could have versions of photoshop similar to best Hollywood effects. Not like they can't afford it - our money.

Zippyjuan
04-01-2015, 05:33 PM
So there was another person with a cell phone or camera at a major sporting event. No surprise.


Finally I must say I can really see what the CTers are talking about, there is a shape that doesn't look natural behind Tsarnaev, like a rectangle, about where a backpack should be. Might mean nothing but mighty peculiar.

(People are running because the bombs have gone off- he wouldn't be wearing a back pack at that time- if he was THEN you might have a conspiracy story- check out the video in my previous link showing him running).

James_Madison_Lives
04-02-2015, 12:38 PM
So there was another person with a cell phone or camera at a major sporting event. No surprise.



(People are running because the bombs have gone off- he wouldn't be wearing a back pack at that time- if he was THEN you might have a conspiracy story- check out the video in my previous link showing him running).

If so, the FBI should simply say so to explain the discrepancy. This is one of the questions which will remain long after the trial is over.

enhanced_deficit
04-02-2015, 12:39 PM
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?471771-Is-Dzhokhar-Tsarnaev-Drugged-or-Brainwashed&p=5828673&viewfull=1#post5828673

Ronin Truth
04-02-2015, 03:14 PM
Maybe the same way that the FBI "lost" several thousand pages of evidence during the Tim McVeigh trial.

Hey FBI, where are those still unreleased videotapes you confiscated on 9/11 of the Pentagon strike?

Good help is hard to find, apparently.