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James_Madison_Lives
03-24-2015, 10:24 PM
http://warisacrime.org/content/tsarnaev-defense-fails-ask-hardest-questions

"Tsarnaev defense fails to ask hardest questions"

The Tsarnaev trial in Boston - now going into the third week - has already revealed a number of puzzles and questions in addition to being one of the most unusual high-profile trials in history.

For starters, not many trials have ever opened with the defense's opening salvo being 'he did it.' More precisely, lead defense attorney Judy Clarke said "it was him." (http://abcnews.go.com/US/boston-marathon-bombing-inside-dzhokhar-tsarnaevs-defense-strategy/story?id=29405323 t=_blank) From there, legal commentators have agreed upon the narrative that the job of the defense is not to cast a "reasonable doubt" that Dzhokhar Tsarnaev is guilty of the actions of which he is accused, but to avoid the death penalty. This despite a great number of both old questions and new which emerge as the trial moves forward.

One piece of information was reported by AP under the headline "Tsarnaev’s Computer Contained Extremist Materials, FBI Agent Testifies." (https://www.wbur.org/2015/03/19/tsarnaev-computer-extremist-materials t=_blank) The prosecution sought to show that Tsarnaev had taken a violent jihadist's frame of mind before the bombing, by testifying that his laptop and other personal electronics had been downloaded with extremist literature. But below the fold, the interesting fact came out that Tsarnaev was not the only person who had access to his laptop and thumb drive.

AP reported: (https://www.wbur.org/2015/03/19/tsarnaev-computer-extremist-materials t=_blank)


"In fact, the thumb drives introduced Thursday contained material that appeared to have been put on them by other Tsarnaev family members, including a pay stub of his sister-in-law and a rental agreement in her name. Tsarnaev’s thumb drive also contained homework by some of his college friends."

The "sister-in-law" would be Katherine Russell, the deceased older brother's widow, who is under investigation (https://gma.yahoo.com/boston-bombing-suspect-widow-under-investigation-could-face-232258623--abc-news-topstories.html t=_blank) by law enforcement for possibly being the woman who is seen with Tamerlan in a Macy's store surveillance video, at the time he purchased five pressure cookers at that store. Even if the person in the Macy's store video is not Russell, law enforcement's keen interest in that person's identity reveals a key fissure in the prosecution's attempt to portray the bombing as the act of two brothers acting alone, since any woman in full Muslim garb, which is what Russell habitually wore and what is presumably captured in the video, would add a new dimension to the crime.

There are now strong suggestions that the FBI and other US agencies had contact with Tamerlan even before the March of 2011 warnings (http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/boston-bombing-fbi-failures/2013/04/23/id/501057/ t=_blank) by the Russian government that he may have been on a violent course. In an April 2014 report on the Boston bombing by the Inspectors General of the "Intelligence Community," (http://www.dni.gov/files/documents/ICIG_Forum_Boston_Marathon_Bombings_Review_-_Unclassifed_Summary.pdf t=_blank) which includes the CIA, the Department of Justice, and the Department of Homeland Security, a censored portion refers to "JANUARY 2011 COMMUNICATIONS." The heading recalls a 2013 report by the New York Times (http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/21/us/boston-marathon-bombings.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0 t=_blank) which indicated that the Boston office of the FBI had interviewed Tamerlan and "family members" in January of 2011, even though the FBI has indicated that it first became aware of the family that March.

Other reports belie the FBI's claim to have had limited contacts with the brothers and the family, beginning and ending with the March/April 2011 "assessment" for Russian intelligence, after which the FBI said it did not have the "authority" to continue surveillance of them. This prompted investigative reporter Russ Baker to remark sarcastically (http://whowhatwhy.org/2014/04/14/uss-boston-bombing-report-hints-even-darker-reality/ t=_blank) that:


"...completely contrary to Edward Snowden’s revelations about NSA abuses, US agencies are scrupulously careful about how they collect private data on individuals."

Warned that Tamerlan might travel to the Chechnya region soon, in 2012 he did exactly that, for six months, even as he was on two terror watch lists, placed there by the Boston FBI. Once there, a report by the congressional committee (http://homeland.house.gov/sites/homeland.house.gov/files/documents/Boston-Bombings-Report.pdf t=_blank) which oversees the Department of Homeland Security found that the Moscow FBI office may have intercepted communications between Tamerlan and a known violent extremist, William Plotnikov (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Plotnikov t=_blank), a Canadian who was killed in a gun battle with Russian forces just two days before Tamerlan returned to the states.

The Tsarnaev family has long maintained that, despite the FBI's denials, the FBI had regular contact with the brothers over the past five years. The Tsarnaev defense team has asserted that Tamerlan was asked to become an informant (http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2014/03/29/Dzhokhar-Tsarnaev-Lawyers-say-older-brother-was-asked-to-be-FBI-informant/1381396120486/ t=_blank) on the Muslim Chechen community, and has requested all records of contacts between the FBI and the family. The father of the suspects said (http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/04/20/us-usa-explosions-boston-mother-idUSBRE93J0AE20130420 t=_blank) the FBI told his sons "We know what you eat, what you read on the Internet." The mother has said that her sons were "set up."

After the suspects had been captured or killed after the bombing, the FBI denied reports (http://boston.cbslocal.com/2013/04/20/cbs-news-fbi-interviewed-tamerlan-tsarnaev-2-years-ago/ t=_blank) that it had ever known or interviewed the brothers until multiple law enforcement sources insisted that it had. The FBI was then forced to admit that it had, after the 2011 communication with Russian intelligence.

In 2013, an MIT police sergeant told (http://www.bostonmagazine.com/news/blog/2014/04/24/fbi-official-tsarnaev-allegations-patently-false/#.U1qnplkITRQ.twitter t=_blank) a local radio station in an interview that: “The word was out regarding the suspects. We knew that his house was under surveillance, and the feds were all over the city of Cambridge.”

US Representative Bill Keating returned (http://www.wbur.org/2013/05/31/keating-bombing-preventable t=_blank) from a fact-finding trip from Russia in 2013, in which he was handed a letter by Russian officials which they sent to the FBI in March 2011, warning that Tsarnaev had plans to join insurgents in Chechnya. The letter contained information such as Tamerlan's birthday, telephone number, cellphone number, where he lived, and information about his wife and child.

In another bizarre development in court last week, U.S. District Court Judge George O’Toole Jr. ruled that a law enforcement witness need not answer the question of whether the defendant was armed or not when he was captured from his hiding place, a boat in Watertown. The prosecution raised an objection when the question was asked, which O'Toole sustained (https://twitter.com/RealRussBaker/status/578256526680293377 t=_blank). No mention, apparently, was made of the withering barrage unleashed by police into the boat, with no prior command to surrender being heard, as normal police procedure requires.

Police fire into boat in which defendant is hiding

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0ji_O1exwE

It is not known if the defense will present the footage taken by a news crew during the chase and ensuing shootout on the night of Tamerlan's death, in which Tamerlan can be heard in an apparent attempt to surrender, yelling into the night (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4abBDzq3LM t=_blank) "We didn't do it!" and "It wasn't us!"

Another question which has yet to be raised by the defense is that of the backpacks allegedly containing the bombs. In the indictment dated June 27, 2013 (https://archive.org/stream/718968-dzhokhar-tsarnaev-indictment/718968-dzhokhar-tsarnaev-indictment_djvu.txt t=_blank), the prosecution says the backpacks were black:


"The IEDs that exploded at the Marathon were constructed from pressure cookers, low explosive powder, shrapnel, adhesive, and other materials. They were concealed inside black backpacks."

But the backpack Dzhokhar is wearing is light gray, with black trim, in the prosecution's surveillance video compilation. Last week at trial the prosecution reversed itself on the color of the backpack, and presented pieces of a "black and white backpack." AP reported: (http://www.providencejournal.com/article/20150311/NEWS/150319763/13752?template=printart t=_blank)


"FBI Agent Sarah De Lair held up pieces of the black and white backpack for the jury. She said they were found near the Forum restaurant, where Tsarnaev planted and detonated a bomb on April 15, 2013."

Moreover, it is not clear how the photograph of the backpack being carried by Dzhokhar on that day could be so inconsistent with a backpack containing a 30 pound, Fagor Duo six-quart pressure cooker (http://www.chingaone.com/2013/04/boston-bomber-is-trapped-by-his-phone.html t=_blank) filled with shrapnel and explosive. A surveillance video shows a large amount of slack in the backpack. The model of pressure cooker which the authorities say was used, a Fagor Duo six-quart cooker, weighs nine pounds empty, and filled only with water would weigh 21 pounds. The cookers were filled with ball bearings, shrapnel, and explosives, for a conservative estimate of 30 pounds for each bomb.

Dzhokhar Tsarnaev backpack.
http://www.digitaljournal.com/img/8/9/4/8/6/7/i/2/3/1/p-medium/backpack.jpg


Fagor six-quart pressure cooker.
http://www.digitaljournal.com/img/8/9/4/8/6/7/i/2/3/2/p-medium/fagor.jpeg

Two 15 lb. weights, total 30 lbs., weight of pressure cooker bomb used in Boston Marathon attack
http://www.digitaljournal.com/img/8/9/4/8/6/7/i/2/3/2/p-medium/PSDC-15_large.jpg





A photo taken by the New York Daily News (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/boston-marathon-bombers-lived-squalid-ramshackle-apartment-article-1.1323047 t=_blank) shows what appears to be a backpack remarkably similar to the one Dzhokhar is carrying, left in Tamerlan's apartment before the brothers fled (New York Daily News photo (http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1323040.1366501188!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_970/image-1-1323040.jpg?enlarged t=_blank).)

Observers have noted the unlikely manner in which the defendant is handling the backpack, and not showing any signs of strain against the significant load of approximately 30 pounds. He carries it by one strap, standing erect and not hunched forward against the load. Not only is Tsarnaev not hunched forward or showing any signs of strain, he can be seen at one point sauntering, loose-jointed, with his shoulders rolling back and forth, both hands in his pockets.

2:10 in surveillance montage, Dzhokhar Tsarnaev with backpack
http://www.digitaljournal.com/img/8/9/4/8/6/7/i/2/3/1/o/pockets.jpg


Tsarnaev walking with backpack on one shoulder

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aued9021yGw

The level of sophistication of the bombs has been described as "relatively sophisiticated" by experts. In a court filing this year, prosecutors conceded (http://circanews.com/news/boston-bombings-investigation t=_blank) that the bombs would have been:


"difficult… to fabricate successfully without training or assistance from others."

This contradicts the contention made by the prosecution that the brothers made the bombs working only from plans found on jihadist websites (http://investigations.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/04/26/17932143-exclusive-government-doc-shows-how-closely-boston-marathon-bombers-followed-al-qaeda-plans t=_blank).

In 2013 US Representative Michael McCaul, chairman of the committee which oversees DHS, said that (http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/21/us/boston-marathon-bombings.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0 t=_blank) “the level of sophistication” of the bombs used at the marathon “leads me to believe that there was a trainer.”

The presence, on the day of the bombing, of other men with black backpacks (http://imgur.com/a/sUrnA t=_blank) resembling the one shown by the prosecution as one of those containing a bomb, running in the chaos without their backpacks, has been ignored by the media as well as the defense. One set of photos surfaced in a discussion on the social networking site reddit.com, which prompted Boston FBI chief Richard Deslauriers to say (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkxfMIMNDDU t=_blank) in the press conference in which surveillance photos of the suspects were unveiled, that the images presented "should be the only ones that the public should view to assist us," in an apparent effort to tamp down rampant speculation over the Internet that men in paramilitary gear, shown in the reddit photos, may have been involved.

Some of the photos showed images of men wearing caps displaying the logo of Craft International (http://thecraft.com/ t=_blank), a private security company similar to the company formerly known as Blackwater, now Xe Services.

On day 10 of the trial the prosecution presented for the first time a pair of white gloves (http://www.heraldnews.com/article/20150318/NEWS/303199999/12410/NEWS?template=printart t=_blank) allegedly worn by Dzhokhar Tsarnaev when he allegedly shot MIT officer Sean Collier, with bloodstains matching Collier's DNA. The gloves were said to be found in Tsarnaev's Honda Civic, on the floor of the driver's side near the gas pedal. In a surveillance video showing two assailants approaching Collier's cruiser before his death, the distance, dark, and angle prevent the identification of the assailants. An MIT student testifies (http://www.richmond.com/news/latest-news/ap/article_4694dd93-30ff-5c48-a58c-9923acc0f6a0.html t=_blank) that he saw the defendant leaning into Collier's cruiser as he rode past on his bike, but that part of the video, in which the shots were said to be fired at Collier, is excised from the public version, so the MIT witness and the speed at which he was traveling cannot be seen.

Another persistent oddity is a photo spliced into the surveillance video compilation (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0ji_O1exwE t=_blank) presented by the prosecution, which appears to be the one taken by Marathon runner David Green (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/19/david-green-boston-marathon-suspect-dzhokhar-tsarnaev-photo_n_3118601.html t=_blank), which allegedly captures Dzhokhar fleeing without his backpack. In the photo in the video compilation, Dzhokhar occupies a different position than he does in Green's famous photo. The defense has not asked if there were in fact two photos taken, although Green explicitly has said he took only one shot, telling the New York Daily News (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/tiny-victim-bombing-recovering-article-1.1320266 t=_blank): “It was one shot and it was the shot that counted.”

Detail of David Green photo showing Dzhokhar fleeing bombing, past the wooden door
http://www.digitaljournal.com/img/8/9/4/8/6/7/i/2/3/1/o/David-Green-boston-marathon-bombing-suspect.jpg

Photo shown to jury in surveillance video montage, at 9:02, Dzhokhar flush with wooden door
http://www.digitaljournal.com/img/8/9/4/8/6/7/i/2/3/1/p-large/juryvid.jpg

One point on which the official surveillance compilation video shows past statements by prosecutors to be incorrect is in describing Tsarnaev as not reacting as the first bomb goes off. In March of last year, Boston FBI agent Stephanie Douglas told 60 Minutes (http://www.cbsnews.com/news/manhunt-inside-the-boston-marathon-bombing-investigation/ t=_blank) in the special "Manhunt":


"You clearly see everybody look very, very definitely to the left like they've heard something. They've seen something. So you know that first blast has gone off. He does not do that. He does not do what everybody else in that video does, he does not turn to his left."

But at minute 7:43 in the surveillance compilation (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0ji_O1exwE t=_blank), the defendant can be seen turning to the left at the moment that the first bomb explodes, before starting to make his way in the opposite direction, before the second bomb goes off.


Tsarnaev (circled) looking left as first bomb explodes.
http://www.digitaljournal.com/img/8/9/4/8/6/7/i/2/3/2/p-large/left.jpg

One of the defendant's friends, Stephen Silva, has connected the defendant with the gun allegedly used to kill MIT police officer Sean Collier. However, Silva testified as part (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/03/18/the-downfall-of-the-boston-bombers-gun-runner.html t=_blank) of a plea bargain which helped him avoid severe consequences for a career of drug-dealing in college.

Finally, the defense has not stated any intention of showing evidence that the brothers were being surveilled on that day, at the Marathon, as a copy of a video shown by CNN suggests. In it, a man with appears to be a security detail-style earpiece watches the brothers as they round the corner by the Whiskey Steak House on Boylston Street, and speaks into it as they pass (video below.)

Video obtained by CNN, man with earpiece (narration: Pete Santilli)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Oi0qzuU_Ik


http://warisacrime.org/content/tsarnaev-defense-fails-ask-hardest-questions

RonPaulGeorge&Ringo
03-24-2015, 10:47 PM
The defense attorney is a ringer. Total scumbag.

phill4paul
03-25-2015, 07:27 AM
The deal was made before they even went to court. It happens all the time. The defense will admit to the offence and the prosecution will not push for the death penalty. At no time will the government be on trial.

James_Madison_Lives
03-25-2015, 04:02 PM
The deal was made before they even went to court. It happens all the time. The defense will admit to the offence and the prosecution will not push for the death penalty. At no time will the government be on trial.

If they do not let Tsarnaev take the stand it is fixed from the start. Neither side trusts what he might say.

jmdrake
03-25-2015, 04:08 PM
The deal was made before they even went to court. It happens all the time. The defense will admit to the offence and the prosecution will not push for the death penalty. At no time will the government be on trial.

Yep. They are basically treating the trial like it is the penalty phase.

dannno
03-25-2015, 05:45 PM
If they do not let Tsarnaev take the stand it is fixed from the start. Neither side trusts what he might say.

He can't SAY anything, they cut his fucking vocal chords.. and has probably been threatened with much, much worse if he ever tells the truth.

enhanced_deficit
03-26-2015, 11:00 AM
Haven't followed that news story but under new freedoms defense lawyers cannot always raise tough questions.

Lawyer representing family of Miriam Carey arrested (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?430954-Lawyer-representing-family-of-Miriam-Carey-arrested&)

Acala
03-26-2015, 11:55 AM
If they do not let Tsarnaev take the stand it is fixed from the start. Neither side trusts what he might say.

Criminal defendants almost NEVER testify. It is truly extraordinary when a defense attorney puts his client on the stand.

James_Madison_Lives
03-28-2015, 02:53 PM
Criminal defendants almost NEVER testify. It is truly extraordinary when a defense attorney puts his client on the stand.


Criminal defendants almost NEVER testify. It is truly extraordinary when a defense attorney puts his client on the stand.

True, but in this case it is his only chance. He needs to yell out "IT WAS A SET UP!" That would clear up a lot of crazy questions. I still think the bomb was in this bag:

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/04/17/article-2310200-1954E0EE000005DC-204_964x578.jpg

I do think he is doped up though, they had 2 years to work on him in isolation. Look at this sketch.

https://i0.wp.com/www.digitaljournal.com/img/6/5/9/9/8/8/i/1/5/2/p-medium/Resiz22izard-1.jpg

Also Boston Globe says former high school wrestling teammate says he seemed like a “different guy” who had a different “body language.” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUSHcW5P2co

Defense should demand toxicology.

dannno
03-28-2015, 03:37 PM
He needs to yell out "IT WAS A SET UP!" That would clear up a lot of crazy questions.

He can't say anything, they cut his vocal chords...

jmdrake
03-28-2015, 03:48 PM
He can't say anything, they cut his vocal chords...

And for the record the government lied when they said he had a throat wound before he was arrested.

http://www.infowars.com/dzhokar-tsarnaevs-throat-wound-another-government-lie-bites-the-dust/

http://static.infowars.com/bindnfocom/2013/07/tsarssurrender.jpg

Those who ignore the conspiracy theories choose to be ignorant.

Zippyjuan
03-28-2015, 04:13 PM
http://abcnews.go.com/US/boston-bomber-dzhokhar-tsarnaev-shot-face-doctors/story?id=20012945


"He has multiple gunshot wounds, the most severe of which appears to have entered through the left side inside of his mouth and exited the left face, lower face," Dr. Stephen Ray Odom, a trauma surgeon, told a court convened inside Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center, where the 20-year-old suspect was being treated three days after his arrest.

Odom described the shot to the suspected bomber's face as a "high-powered injury" that damaged his skull, vertebrae, ear, throat and mouth, according to court documents unsealed Monday. Tsarnaev also received "multiple gunshot wounds" to his arms and legs.

Note the blood on the left side of his face in the photo.

There was speculation it was self-inflicted. http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/boston-bomber-dzhokhar-tsarnaev-shot-1846537


It is thought the teenager placed a gun in his mouth and pulled the trigger in a desperate bid to avoid capture and a possible death penalty.

Reports say the bullet passed through his throat, just missing his spinal cord, and came out the back of his neck.

jmdrake
03-28-2015, 04:19 PM
http://abcnews.go.com/US/boston-bomber-dzhokhar-tsarnaev-shot-face-doctors/story?id=20012945



Note the blood on the left side of his face in the photo.

There was speculation it was self-inflicted. http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/boston-bomber-dzhokhar-tsarnaev-shot-1846537

LOL @ anyone who thinks someone injured like that wouldn't be in shock and unable to stand.

Zippyjuan
03-28-2015, 04:19 PM
Half his neck is in shadow- that is where the injury could be. Or a bullet which entered the mouth could have injured the back of the throat without a bloody hole in his neck.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/boston-bomber-dzhokhar-tsarnaev-shot-face-doctors/story?id=20012945


"He has multiple gunshot wounds, the most severe of which appears to have entered through the left side inside of his mouth and exited the left face, lower face," Dr. Stephen Ray Odom, a trauma surgeon, told a court convened inside Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center, where the 20-year-old suspect was being treated three days after his arrest.

Odom described the shot to the suspected bomber's face as a "high-powered injury" that damaged his skull, vertebrae, ear, throat and mouth, according to court documents unsealed Monday. Tsarnaev also received "multiple gunshot wounds" to his arms and legs.

http://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/img/eu51e9498a.jpg
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread960137/pg1

jmdrake
03-28-2015, 04:21 PM
Read this Zippy.

In May, the story changed. It was said Tsarnaev didn’t have a bullet wound in his throat, but was cut. “I did see a throat injury. To me it looked more like a knife wound,” said Officer Jeff Campbell of the Massachusetts Bay Transportation Authority Transit Police SWAT Unit. “It wasn’t a puncture hole. It was a slice where it was spread open, possibly a piece of shrapnel from one of the explosives that they were using the night before. It didn’t look like a bullet wound to me. It looked like a cut of some kind.” Campbell was supposedly part of the team that apprehended Tsarnaev, so if anybody knew about his wounds, it would be Campbell and his fellow SWAT officers.

Zippyjuan
03-28-2015, 04:24 PM
He was barely standing and was unconscious by the time they got to the hospital. He practically fell out of the boat he was hiding in.


But the team of officers and detectives kept approaching, eventually getting close enough to see both hands were empty.

"We broke away from the shield protective cover and just rushed him," Campbell said.

After cuffing Tsarnaev, who was in and out of consciousness because of blood loss, the officers examined his body for explosives and found none. But they feared that he could have rigged the boat.

http://articles.latimes.com/2013/apr/23/nation/la-na-nn-swat-team-capture-boston-bombing-suspect-20130423

phill4paul
03-28-2015, 04:27 PM
He was barely standing and was unconscious by the time they got to the hospital. He practically fell out of the boat he was hiding in.



http://articles.latimes.com/2013/apr/23/nation/la-na-nn-swat-team-capture-boston-bombing-suspect-20130423

OK. So?

Zippyjuan
03-28-2015, 04:30 PM
Read this Zippy.

In May, the story changed. It was said Tsarnaev didn’t have a bullet wound in his throat, but was cut. “I did see a throat injury. To me it looked more like a knife wound,” said Officer Jeff Campbell of the Massachusetts Bay Transportation Authority Transit Police SWAT Unit. “It wasn’t a puncture hole. It was a slice where it was spread open, possibly a piece of shrapnel from one of the explosives that they were using the night before. It didn’t look like a bullet wound to me. It looked like a cut of some kind.” Campbell was supposedly part of the team that apprehended Tsarnaev, so if anybody knew about his wounds, it would be Campbell and his fellow SWAT officers.

(a small cut on the neck does not rule out a bullet through the mouth).

Zippyjuan
03-28-2015, 04:31 PM
OK. So?

Responce to:


LOL @ anyone who thinks someone injured like that wouldn't be in shock and unable to stand.

jmdrake
03-28-2015, 04:39 PM
He was barely standing and was unconscious by the time they got to the hospital. He practically fell out of the boat he was hiding in.



http://articles.latimes.com/2013/apr/23/nation/la-na-nn-swat-team-capture-boston-bombing-suspect-20130423

Picture says otherwise.

jmdrake
03-28-2015, 04:41 PM
Link to report? (a small cut on the neck does not rule out a bullet through the mouth).

http://www.wnd.com/2013/05/swat-team-boston-bomber-possibly-not-shot/

The CNN video is at the WND link.

And nobody but you said the slice was small.

Zippyjuan
03-28-2015, 04:49 PM
And for the record the government lied when they said he had a throat wound before he was arrested.

http://www.infowars.com/dzhokar-tsarnaevs-throat-wound-another-government-lie-bites-the-dust/



Those who ignore the conspiracy theories choose to be ignorant.

So he DIDN'T have a neck injury.




Read this Zippy.
In May, the story changed. It was said Tsarnaev didn’t have a bullet wound in his throat, but was cut. “I did see a throat injury. To me it looked more like a knife wound,” said Officer Jeff Campbell of the Massachusetts Bay Transportation Authority Transit Police SWAT Unit. “It wasn’t a puncture hole. It was a slice where it was spread open, possibly a piece of shrapnel from one of the explosives that they were using the night before. It didn’t look like a bullet wound to me. It looked like a cut of some kind.” Campbell was supposedly part of the team that apprehended Tsarnaev, so if anybody knew about his wounds, it would be Campbell and his fellow SWAT officers.

So he DID have a neck injury.

(thanks for the link by the way)

jmdrake
03-28-2015, 04:55 PM
So he DIDN'T have a neck injury.





So he DID have a neck injury.

(thanks for the link by the way)

A shill's gonna shill. :rolleyes: If that's all you got from reading that then work on deeper reading comprehension. The government at first said he had a gunshot wound. Then they said later he didn't have a gunshot wound but a knife wood. In the pictures of him crawling out of the boat you don't see any wounds. So...at some point....he gets a knife wound. The government can't say "There's not any wound" because that would be too obvious. Yes he has a wound. When did he get it? There is clearly no across the throat slice in the picture.

Zippyjuan
03-28-2015, 05:31 PM
There is clearly no across the throat slice in the picture.

The SWAT officer did not say it was a slice clear across the throat (and again, we can't see his entire neck in any of the photos). Also again a cut does not rule out a bullet. According to Dr. Odom there was an exit wound on the neck which would look differently from a bullet entry wound.


“It wasn’t a puncture hole. It was a slice where it was spread open, possibly a piece of shrapnel from one of the explosives that they were using the night before. It didn’t look like a bullet wound to me. It looked like a cut of some kind.” Campbell

Tsarnaev struggling to get out of the boat.
http://cdn1.bostonmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/113_4490.jpg

Another of him- blood on the neck but can't say if it is from a neck injury or other blood running down.

http://cdn1.bostonmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/fea_terror5.jpg

Pressure being applied to left side of his neck as he is being treated (yes, I am aware that in the press conference the SWAT officer pointed at the other side of his own neck but that is not conclusive as to which side the injury was on)

http://cdn1.bostonmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/413_3543.jpg

http://www.bostonmagazine.com/news/article/2013/08/27/dzhokhar-tsarnaev-manhunt-photos/4/

phill4paul
03-28-2015, 07:04 PM
So. Can he speak or can't he speak in his defense. Physically. Can he speak or can't he speak in his defense. Mentally. Can he speak in his defense. Politically.

Zippyjuan
03-28-2015, 07:30 PM
He can speak now- his wounds have healed. His lawyer (as per usual) urges him not to take the stand.

James_Madison_Lives
03-29-2015, 01:18 PM
And for the record the government lied when they said he had a throat wound before he was arrested.

http://www.infowars.com/dzhokar-tsarnaevs-throat-wound-another-government-lie-bites-the-dust/

http://static.infowars.com/bindnfocom/2013/07/tsarssurrender.jpg

Those who ignore the conspiracy theories choose to be ignorant.

This is true, that's why they fired the cop who leaked these pictures. It let the cat out of the bag. If anything bleeds prodigiously it's a neck/throat wound. He would be soaked in blood and probably passed out and going into shock. Here is is climbing out of the boat on his own power, then suddenly in the hospital he is declared in critical condition. I'd say someone cut his neck while they were arresting him, trying to kill him. Check out the reaction of these SWAT team guys when their leader refers to a knife cut on his neck, they are like "Huh? We didn't see that when we took him..."


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fd1iV3GCIk4

jmdrake
03-29-2015, 01:27 PM
The SWAT officer did not say it was a slice clear across the throat (and again, we can't see his entire neck in any of the photos). Also again a cut does not rule out a bullet. According to Dr. Odom there was an exit wound on the neck which would look differently from a bullet entry wound.

The SWAT team member specifically said it was NOT an exit wound. So he conflicts with your Dr. Odom. Also he pointed to the part of the neck there the wound was. That part of the neck is visible in the pictures you posted. There is no blood there.




Another of him- blood on the neck but can't say if it is from a neck injury or other blood running down.

http://cdn1.bostonmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/fea_terror5.jpg


And in this picture he clearly is standing on his own which is not what you would expect from someone who had been bleeding for any significant period of time from a self inflicted wound.


Pressure being applied to left side of his neck as he is being treated (yes, I am aware that in the press conference the SWAT officer pointed at the other side of his own neck but that is not conclusive as to which side the injury was on)

Glad you picked that up. You are discounting the very real possibility that the wound being treated by the pressure occurred after Tsarnaev got out of the boat.

jmdrake
03-29-2015, 01:28 PM
He can speak now- his wounds have healed. His lawyer (as per usual) urges him not to take the stand.

And your conclusive evidence that he is physically able to speak now is.....? Oh yeah. You don't have any. (As per usual).

Zippyjuan
03-29-2015, 07:00 PM
The SWAT team member specifically said it was NOT an exit wound. So he conflicts with your Dr. Odom. Also he pointed to the part of the neck there the wound was. That part of the neck is visible in the pictures you posted. There is no blood there.




And in this picture he clearly is standing on his own which is not what you would expect from someone who had been bleeding for any significant period of time from a self inflicted wound.



Glad you picked that up. You are discounting the very real possibility that the wound being treated by the pressure occurred after Tsarnaev got out of the boat.

The SWAT team said it did not look to them like a bullet wound. He did NOT "specifically say it was not an exit wound". A bullet ENTRY wound is often round. A bullet EXIT wound can be quite different depending on what happened with the bullet while it was in the body as well as the bullet itself. The doctor described damage to several bones in his head which would have damaged the bullet which could have come out shreading due to its damage- rather than a neat round hole. How much a neck wound bleeds depends on if any major arteries were damaged. According to the doctor, his was missed.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/health/2013/04/22/alleged-bombers-neck-wound-missed-vital-arteries/


Alleged Bomber’s Neck Wound Missed Vital Arteries

The bullet that sliced through the neck of Boston Marathon bomb suspect Dzhokhar Tsarnaev likely missed his major arteries and windpipe, experts said.
Otherwise, he would have been dead within minutes.

“If you think about it, [the neck has] got a lot of very important structures in a very small, confined space,” said Dr. Elliott Haut, a professor of surgery at Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine.



He is sitting on the side of the boat- not standing on his own. Already forgot the first photo in the series where he cannot stand up? Since you like the words of Officer Jeff Campbell, let him describe the scene:

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/boston-swat-team-we-wanted-to-end-this/


As they approached the boat, Campbell says he saw "the suspect sitting up on the...gunnel of the boat with one leg hanging over the side."

"His hands were just sort of down by his side. He looked weak. He was shaky, appeared to be losing consciousness, and did have some wounds to his body," Campbell said, adding that the officers then commanded Tsarnaev "to get down off the boat, because we didn't know what he has on the inside of that gunnel where his other hand is. We don't know if he has a weapon or some type of explosive ignition that he could just reach down and hit."

At that point, Tsarnaev was not responding to the team's commands. "He's just kind of staring at us," Campbell said, "We waited to a point where , as we were getting closer to him and both hands came up, we saw that both hands were open [and] we bolted out in front of the shield at that point. That was the one chance we had and we wanted to end this for everybody."

Despite concerns Tsarnaev may have had other explosive devices in the vicinity of the boat, Tran told Miller that when the team "bolted" out to apprehend the suspect, "Your training kicks in...you can't be scared, you just got to do the task at hand."

Zippyjuan
03-29-2015, 07:04 PM
And your conclusive evidence that he is physically able to speak now is.....? Oh yeah. You don't have any. (As per usual).

As usual, you don't check things (unless it is with Alex Jones). Is his Mother a reliable enough for you?

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/listen-dzhokhar-tsarnaev-talks-mother-article-1.1363579


LISTEN: Dzhokhar Tsarnaev tells mother he's well-fed, receiving money
Boston Marathon bombing suspect Dzhokhar Tsarnaev talks to his mother, Zubeidat, for the first time since the April 15 terror attack. She, in turn, shared a recording of that conversation.

Boston bombing suspect Dzhokhar Tsarnaev is eating well and making money while he sits in a federal medical detention center awaiting trial, he told his mother in the first recording of his voice released since the April 15 terror attack.

In the only conversation he's had with his mother since his arrest, Tsarnaev reassures Zubeidat Tsarnaeva he's being fed well, chicken and rice, and is stacking cash — unsolicited — as people send money to support him, the United Kingdom's Channel 4 reported.

"He said, 'Mama, do not worry about me, I do have money, somebody opened an account for me, and people do send me money here, and I do have lots of money,'" the suspected terrorist's mother recounted.

He told her he has raised a thousand dollars, Zubediat said with a laugh. That's in addition to the $8,000 Zubeidat and her husband, Anzor Tsarnaev, have raised for the teen's defense fund.

The native Chechens, who live in Makhachkala, Dagestan have had one phone conversation so far with their surviving son.

"Everything is good, please don't say anything," the 19-year-old suspect said last week to his emotional mother, who cried as she played the recording for the news channel, which translated the conversation from Russian.

It's unclear if Dzhokhar was trying to reassure his distraught mother — or asking her to clam up to law enforcement and media.

More plus audio at the link.

James_Madison_Lives
03-30-2015, 12:26 PM
As usual, you don't check things (unless it is with Alex Jones). Is his Mother a reliable enough for you?

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/listen-dzhokhar-tsarnaev-talks-mother-article-1.1363579



More plus audio at the link.

He doesn't need money he needs a real lawyer.

jmdrake
03-30-2015, 12:47 PM
The SWAT team said it did not look to them like a bullet wound. He did NOT "specifically say it was not an exit wound". A bullet ENTRY wound is often round. A bullet EXIT wound can be quite different depending on what happened with the bullet while it was in the body as well as the bullet itself. The doctor described damage to several bones in his head which would have damaged the bullet which could have come out shreading due to its damage- rather than a neat round hole. How much a neck wound bleeds depends on if any major arteries were damaged. According to the doctor, his was missed.

Right. Because someone from SWAT doesn't know about bullet exit wounds. :rolleyes: Really grabbing at straws here Zippy.



http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/health/2013/04/22/alleged-bombers-neck-wound-missed-vital-arteries/


He is sitting on the side of the boat- not standing on his own. Already forgot the first photo in the series where he cannot stand up? Since you like the words of Officer Jeff Campbell, let him describe the scene:


In one picture he was straddling the boat and his body was upright and erect. I the next picture he was clearly not sitting. Another straw grab.

Zippyjuan
03-30-2015, 12:58 PM
So you don't believe Jeff Campbell's description.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/boston-swat-team-we-wanted-to-end-this/


As they approached the boat, Campbell says he saw "the suspect sitting up on the...gunnel of the boat with one leg hanging over the side."

"His hands were just sort of down by his side. He looked weak. He was shaky, appeared to be losing consciousness, and did have some wounds to his body," Campbell said, adding that the officers then commanded Tsarnaev "to get down off the boat, because we didn't know what he has on the inside of that gunnel where his other hand is. We don't know if he has a weapon or some type of explosive ignition that he could just reach down and hit."

At that point, Tsarnaev was not responding to the team's commands. "He's just kind of staring at us," Campbell said, "We waited to a point where , as we were getting closer to him and both hands came up, we saw that both hands were open [and] we bolted out in front of the shield at that point. That was the one chance we had and we wanted to end this for everybody."

Despite concerns Tsarnaev may have had other explosive devices in the vicinity of the boat, Tran told Miller that when the team "bolted" out to apprehend the suspect, "Your training kicks in...you can't be scared, you just got to do the task at hand."

I might suggest that besides reading what Campbell describes that you look through the entire series of photos taken at the scene and not just the one which appears to support your theory. Start here. http://www.bostonmagazine.com/news/article/2013/08/27/dzhokhar-tsarnaev-manhunt-photos/2/ (photos continue on next two pages at link)

He was definately NOT standing stable on his own.


And in this picture he clearly is standing on his own which is not what you would expect from someone who had been bleeding for any significant period of time from a self inflicted wound.

jmdrake
03-30-2015, 01:17 PM
So you don't believe Jeff Campbell's description.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/boston-swat-team-we-wanted-to-end-this/


Zippy, you're just being dishonest here. I already said from jump that there's a position with him straddling the boat sitting upright but that it is not the only picture. Good grief man. You're being lame. And if you are in shock aren't able to sit upright like that either.

NorthCarolinaLiberty
03-30-2015, 01:35 PM
As usual, you don't check things (unless it is with Alex Jones). Is his Mother a reliable enough for you?

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/listen-dzhokhar-tsarnaev-talks-mother-article-1.1363579





Yes, that brigade of professionals at New York Daily News must be more reliable than Alex Jones. I guess you would think so because New York is so friendly to you Democrats.

Those big gov type journalists also probably thanked the Boston Police for raiding people's homes.