Common core in Florida required 10th grades to recite Islamic Rug

[kpitcher]

I didn't see this posted elsewhere. A world history class in Florida required people the kids to recite an Islamic Prayer and make a prayer rug. The first 100 pages of the book which would have discussed Jewish and Catholic teachings were missing.



Wagner is not reading the Five Pillars of Islam from the Quran, but rather his son's 10th-grade world history book from Lyman High School.

"Students were instructed to recite this prayer as the first Pillar of Islam, off of the board at the teacher's instruction," Wagner claims.

Wagner, who is not religious, said he had no idea the public school was teaching so extensively about religion until he spotted a text on his son's phone from a teacher reminding him to complete a prayer rug assignment and study an Islam packet.

"For it to be mandatory and part of the curriculum and in the textbooks, didn't seem right," Wagner said.

Inside of the book is a chapter dedicated to the "Rise of Islam," including prayers and scriptures from the Quran. What's more disturbing for Wagner is that the first 100 pages discussing Judaism and Christianity are missing. The district blames a manufacturer defect in 68 books that are only a year old.


Seems like something out of place in a non religious school. History is one thing, having to say prayers tho?


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[Natural Citizen]

Well. We want Religion taught in the schools, right? I mean, that is a social movement that we see moving to make it happen. It's Religion, for sure, Islam. The fact that the first 100 pages discussing Judaism and Christianity are missing is a hot one though. That's a problem.

Let me ask this, though. And I'm being serious here. Do you want the schools teaching Religion? More clearly, do you want individuals...teachers...doing that? Cripes, even the Churches don't get it done from what I understand. Of course, I'm not a Biblical scholar either but we hear a lot about what they fail or succeeed at teaching dependingh on who is on the other end of the horn.

[ThePaleoLibertarian]

Well, since so many libertarian now define social libertarianism as synonymous with progressivism, I guess I'll follow suit. I applaud putting in a chapter about Islam in a textbook with no reference to Judaism or Christianity. We have the Crusades to make up for here, people!

[jonhowe]

Clearly the missing pages are suspicious. But if you want a teacher to teach your kids about the world (rather than yourself), it's not going to be very successful if they don't learn about the major religions. Ignoring the content of the deeply held beliefs of the billion+ muslims seems rather silly. As does ignoring the content of the deeply held beliefs of the billion+ christians and billion or so hindus.

Reciting a prayer is a bit much, but learning the habits of other cultures isn't a bad thing (I mean, muslims pray multiple times every day, often in large groups; it's a major part of the religion).

I've found people are surprised that I, as a non believer, know as much that I do about so many different religions. I feel I don't know that much, but it tends to be more than the vast majority of people. I think it helps me in life.

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

Rugs? I thought they were called Ragheads, not Rugheads. :confused:

[PierzStyx]

Islam is one of the largest, most influential religious, secular, political, philosophical, and scientific movements in history and modern times. If you really wish to understand a people you must understand their religion(s). To demand your children be ignorant of this information is to demand they be ignorant of information they need to make truly intellectual decisions about issues of the times in which they live. Teaching people about the teachings of Islam (or Christianity, or Judaism, or Zoastarianism, or Buddhism, or Hinduism, etc.) is not the same thing as teaching them Islam is the true religion of God. Teaching the history of religion(s) is not the same as teaching religious history.

[Natural Citizen]

Islam is one of the largest, most influential religious, secular, political, philosophical, and scientific movements in history and modern times. If you really wish to understand a people you must understand their religion(s). To demand your children be ignorant of this information is to demand they be ignorant of information they need to make truly intellectual decisions about issues of the times in which they live. Teaching people about the teachings of Islam (or Christianity, or Judaism, or Zoastarianism, or Buddhism, or Hinduism, etc.) is not the same thing as teaching them Islam is the true religion of God. Teaching the history of religion(s) is not the same as teaching religious history.

I would agree with that.

Interestingly, I'm often amazed at the policies of our representative leaders toward foreign nations and they clearly demonstrate a lack of understanding of the history of those nations. Which is kind of a big deal. The most recent thing with regard to our policies toward Russia are an excellent example. Which, I suppose, is kind of off topic but relevant in a similar way.

[Christopher A. Brown]

I didn't see this posted elsewhere. A world history class in Florida required people the kids to recite an Islamic Prayer and make a prayer rug. The first 100 pages of the book which would have discussed Jewish and Catholic teachings were missing.

Seems like something out of place in a non religious school.

It should be very clear that common core is an agenda to complete a process of de Americanizing people of the continent. The last sentence says it all. American schools historically are non religious. The only thing even close to religion was found in the pledge of allegiance. "One nation under God", and that's spiritual not religious.

The only thing that makes any sense politically is unity under the principles of the republic, then rejection of all else relating to anything government.

Unity around government operating strictly lawfully under laws derived from the constitution makes sense. Partisanship rarely uses such historically correct basis with equality.

The words of Article V echo meaningfully here, "shall be valid to all intents and purposes, of this constitution".

[tod evans]

The issue here is federally funded and managed "education", not religion or common core.

[Ender]

The issue here is federally funded and managed "education", not religion or common core.

Agree.

[jbauer]

No I do not want public k-12 teaching religion. I however, as a parent choose to send my kids to private school where it will be.


Well. We want Religion taught in the schools, right? I mean, that is a social movement that we see moving to make it happen. It's Religion, for sure, Islam. The fact that the first 100 pages discussing Judaism and Christianity are missing is a hot one though. That's a problem.

Let me ask this, though. And I'm being serious here. Do you want the schools teaching Religion? More clearly, do you want individuals...teachers...doing that? Cripes, even the Churches don't get it done from what I understand. Of course, I'm not a Biblical scholar either but we hear a lot about what they fail or succeeed at teaching dependingh on who is on the other end of the horn.

[phill4paul]

We need to get back to the things that made this country exceptional!

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/73/Students_pledging_allegiance_to_the_American_flag_ with_the_Bellamy_salute.jpg

[jonhowe]

No I do not want public k-12 teaching religion. I however, as a parent choose to send my kids to private school where it will be.

How can you POSSIBLY teach history, even basic US history, without teaching religion? Why did the pilgrims/puritans leave for the new world? Well, we cant say religion so lets say... to look cool! The pilgrims were america's first hipsters!

Why did they think women in Salem were witches? Where did they get that idea? I guess we cant possibly know.

[phill4paul]

H/T to Originalist...

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[enhanced_deficit]

The amazing transformation from Iraqi freedom invasion to US States freedom. We were supposed to spread our way of life in mideast but instead we have this.

New York City public schools to have Muslim holidays off
www.cnn.com/2015/03/04/us/new-york-muslim-school-holidays/CNN
Mar 4, 2015 - (CNN) New York City public schools will now observe two Muslim holidays, officials announced Wednesday, making the district -- the nation's ...


Not to mention that for half of GOP, an Islamic man in the White House runs America these days. Cultural blowback is the less talked about phenomenon.

[Ender]

REPEAT:

The issue here is NOT whether gays are bad or whether Christianity or any other religion should or should not be taught in schools.

The issue is: GOVERNMENT IN SCHOOLS.

Mandatory public education was set up to make compliant factory workers and it has succeeded.

If you want a change, then get rid of any government involvement in education and work on your own brand of education for yourself and/or family.

[Ronin Truth]

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[jbauer]

How can you POSSIBLY teach history, even basic US history, without teaching religion? Why did the pilgrims/puritans leave for the new world? Well, we cant say religion so lets say... to look cool! The pilgrims were america's first hipsters!

Why did they think women in Salem were witches? Where did they get that idea? I guess we cant possibly know.

Are the students making prayer rugs and crucifixes? I don't have a problem with religion as long as its taught as a historical reference.

Please keep in mind I'm a Christian paying 10k/yr to send my 2 kids to a Christian school.

[tod evans]

REPEAT:

The issue here is NOT whether gays are bad or whether Christianity or any other religion should or should not be taught in schools.

The issue is: GOVERNMENT IN SCHOOLS.

Mandatory public education was set up to make compliant factory workers and it has succeeded.

If you want a change, then get rid of any government involvement in education and work on your own brand of education for yourself and/or family.

"Teh Newz" wants Boobus focusing on the damn mooslums instead of their master government...

There must be a villain for government to protect him from or he might figure out who's really at fault.......

[jonhowe]

The amazing transformation from Iraqi freedom invasion to US States freedom. We were supposed to spread our way of life in mideast but instead we have this.

New York City public schools to have Muslim holidays off
www.cnn.com/2015/03/04/us/new-york-muslim-school-holidays/CNN
Mar 4, 2015 - (CNN) New York City public schools will now observe two Muslim holidays, officials announced Wednesday, making the district -- the nation's ...


Not to mention that for half of GOP, an Islamic man in the White House runs America these days. Cultural blowback is the less talked about phenomenon.

10% of the kids are Muslim. More than that % of the city is muslim. Im fine with setting a parameter like this for observing a holiday in a school (assuming we are to even have public schools). Do it by %. If 10% of the class is Wiccan, Halloween off. I dont see the problem in adjusting to the students.

[PierzStyx]

I would agree with that.

Interestingly, I'm often amazed at the policies of our representative leaders toward foreign nations and they clearly demonstrate a lack of understanding of the history of those nations. Which is kind of a big deal. The most recent thing with regard to our policies toward Russia are an excellent example. Which, I suppose, is kind of off topic but relevant in a similar way.

In is all part of the larger issues. Michael Scheuer's "Imperial HUbris" was all about exactly what you're talking about. Taking public knowledge that was available to everyone he shows how the invasion of Afghanistan was doomed to fail from the beginning, specifically because Western leaders were so ignorant of Afghanista's history and culture. It was a revelatory and depressing read.

[Stratovarious]

"Students were instructed to recite this prayer as the first Pillar of Islam,
off of the board at the teacher's instruction," Wagner claims.
...text on his son's phone from a teacher reminding him to complete a
prayer rug assignment and study an Islam packet..."

Voluntary or mandatory, about the 'History of' or the 'Religious tenets of' ,
had this been a class requiring students to create a Nativity Scene or recital
of the Prayer of Saint Francis, or the Rosary , someone's name would be in every
News Paper, and Network News channel for a week, they'd also be looking for
a new career.

The Federal Gov should not be endoctrinating our children through the
education system , when the Fed is involved, it's social engineering.

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[Acala]

It should be very clear that common core is an agenda to complete a process of de Americanizing people of the continent.

I thought that happened when we killed all the Indians?

[moostraks]

The amazing transformation from Iraqi freedom invasion to US States freedom. We were supposed to spread our way of life in mideast but instead we have this.

New York City public schools to have Muslim holidays off
www.cnn.com/2015/03/04/us/new-york-muslim-school-holidays/CNN
Mar 4, 2015 - (CNN) New York City public schools will now observe two Muslim holidays, officials announced Wednesday, making the district -- the nation's ...


Not to mention that for half of GOP, an Islamic man in the White House runs America these days. Cultural blowback is the less talked about phenomenon.

I grew up in a predominantly Jewish area in Miami and we would have Jewish holidays off in the public schools.

[Natural Citizen]

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by Christopher A. Brownhttp://www.ronpaulforums.com/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?p=5821024#post5821024)

It should be very clear that common core is an agenda to complete a process of de Americanizing people of the continent.





I thought that happened when we killed all the Indians?

No, we're actually Americanizing Indians by way of the H1-B (even though they eventually go back to their homeland). I don't think we've killed any of them. At least I haven't read anything that would indicate that.

[Dr.3D]

I thought that happened when we killed all the Indians?
Looks to me like somebody wants to do it again but this time we are the Indians.

[euphemia]

The issue is not teaching history involving religion. The issue is teaching one religion in a vacuum without reference to other major world religions, when, in fact, teaching about Christianity or Judaism is forbidden.

[PRB]

isn't the whole point of common core to make sure all states follow the same curriculum?

[Stratovarious]

isn't the whole point of common core to make sure all states follow the same curriculum?

My dictionary states:

Common Core; UFRI
Curriculum For All States Shall Comply With And Conform To Uniform Federal Revisionist Indoctrination.

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[idiom]

H/T to Originalist...

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We learnt firearm saftey at my school, and that was in the 90's.

[Acala]

The issue is not teaching history involving religion. The issue is teaching one religion in a vacuum without reference to other major world religions, when, in fact, teaching about Christianity or Judaism is forbidden.

No, the issue is getting government out of education entirely. Otherwise the arguments over curriculum will never end.