Bunch of kids wear Rand Paul shirts at Cruz's announcment

[radiofriendly]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CAyk8fjWUAAlIiM.png
Link: http://iroots.org/2015/03/23/ted-cruz-announces-live-blog/



more:
http://www.nationaljournal.com/2016-elections/students-stand-with-rand-cruz-20150323
http://www.mediaite.com/online/rand-paul-supporters-at-cruzs-announcement-nice-guy-but-too-much-of-a-war-hawk/

[William Tell]

Cool!

[Cleaner44]

Too funny...

http://static4.businessinsider.com/image/55102afb6bb3f7027583609e-800-/stand%20with%20rand%20ted%20cruz.png

[Cleaner44]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CAydxdaUsAEVaNY.jpg

[NACBA]

Why is this place called "LIBERTY" University?

Highlights of Liberty University's Controlling and Fascist-like methods:

The university also has an all-encompassing code of conduct, called €œThe Liberty Way, which governs what students can say, do, read, and watch both on and off campus €“ and sets out a regimen of reprimands and fines for violators.

The First Amendment Doesn'€™t Apply at Liberty
No R-Rated Movies, Un-Godly Music, or Immodest Posters at Liberty University
No Dancing or Kissing at Liberty University
Witchcraft and Abortion on Par with Sexual Assault and Felony Conviction at Liberty University
Liberty University'€™s Guide to Female Modesty
The Religious Right Nanny State, on View at Liberty University
Welcome to Liberty University, Now Gives Us Your Blood and Urine Sample



http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/05/11/1090946/-Liberty-University-s-The-Liberty-Way-exposed#

[acptulsa]

..
Here is an article about the Stand with Rand people that were there:
http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-03-23/ted-cruz-has-skeptics-at-liberty-and-they-use-yik-yak

From one of the Stand with Rand students quoted in the article:


I strongly object to Senator Cruz's choice of venue for the announcement of his 2016 presidential bid: as is well-known by Liberty University students but considerably less well-known by the general public, all students are required to attend convocation every Monday, Wednesday, and Friday. Sen. Cruz is a friend of the Liberty University administration and has spoken at convocation in the past. As such, he knows that all students are required to be in attendance. I bear no ill will toward Sen. Cruz, but his choice to announce his 2016 presidential bid at convocation at Liberty University is a starkly deceptive one. Should the general public be unaware that all students are required to attend convocation, it would seem to the average viewer (as this will be televised and is already being widely publicized) that 10,000 supporters came to Liberty University to hear Sen. Cruz's announcement. However, every student in attendance has no say in the matter. Students will either attend convocation and lend to the illusion of widespread support for Sen. Cruz, or they will be subject to administrative punishment--specifically, four reprimands and a $10 fine--if they are absent. While Sen. Cruz has every right to run for president and to announce his candidacy, it is a highly deceptive, albeit politically savvy, move on Sen. Cruz's part to make his big announcement here. I do not support this action, and I am not alone in my belief that such deception is wrong.

[CaptUSA]

Hopefully, they are smart enough to wear those shirts to show unity with the Cruz supporters instead of open mocking. But college kids... Who knows?

[philipped]

This is how we should do it. Just rock tees at all the other candidates events LOL.

[Sola_Fide]

This is how we should do it. Just rock tees at all the other candidates events LOL.

I agree.

[Sola_Fide]

Why is this place called "LIBERTY" University?

Highlights of Liberty University's Controlling and Fascist-like methods:

The university also has an all-encompassing code of conduct, called €œThe Liberty Way, which governs what students can say, do, read, and watch both on and off campus €“ and sets out a regimen of reprimands and fines for violators.

The First Amendment Doesn'€™t Apply at Liberty
No R-Rated Movies, Un-Godly Music, or Immodest Posters at Liberty University
No Dancing or Kissing at Liberty University
Witchcraft and Abortion on Par with Sexual Assault and Felony Conviction at Liberty University
Liberty University'€™s Guide to Female Modesty
The Religious Right Nanny State, on View at Liberty University
Welcome to Liberty University, Now Gives Us Your Blood and Urine Sample



http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/05/11/1090946/-Liberty-University-s-The-Liberty-Way-exposed#


Liberty university is one of the main purveyors of religious neoconservatism in America. That's why he went there.

[acptulsa]

This is how we should do it. Just rock tees at all the other candidates events LOL.

It has been done. Of course, the spin was not, 'These people are just trying to break through the Ron Paul media blackout,' but rather that we were rude.

Dubya set up massive security at his rallies and anyone with a shirt that was in any way off message was not allowed in. Of course, given that this was a mandatory assembly at Liberty, that wasn't exactly possible here. But expect these things to happen elsewhere.

[jct74]

These Students 'Stand with Rand' at Ted Cruz's 2016 Announcement
The Texan's presidential announcement Monday had some party crashers.

http://cdn-media.nationaljournal.com/?controllerName=image&action=get&id=45767&format=nj2013_10_columns

BY SHANE GOLDMACHER
March 23, 2015

LYNCHBURG, Va.—Sen. Ted Cruz took the stage to declare his presidential candidacy at Liberty University Monday, surrounded by upwards of 10,000 cheering students. They weren't all here by choice.

Attendance at convocation at Liberty is mandatory, and a group of students clad in "Stand With Rand" shirts sat center stage—directly in view of the cameras—to log their displeasure with having to be here.

"Of course, you want it to appear as if you have a large audience," said Eli McGowan, who organized the not-so-subtle protest. "We felt like if we didn't wear shirts showing our true political preference then the media might think we all supported Cruz."

"They make you come. If you don't come, you get punished," said Ana Delgado, a sophomore, who said students face a $10 fine for not showing up at convocation. Delgado wasn't among those wearing Paul gear. She is undecided about who she'll support in 2016, but she didn't like being forced to be part of Cruz's announcement.

...

read more:
http://www.nationaljournal.com/2016-elections/students-stand-with-rand-cruz-20150323

[Crashland]

Lol, Cruz knew he wouldn't be able to attract an impressive crowd so he announces at a mandatory student event.

[mit26chell]

The First Amendment Doesn'€™t Apply at Liberty
No R-Rated Movies, Un-Godly Music, or Immodest Posters at Liberty University
No Dancing or Kissing at Liberty University
Witchcraft and Abortion on Par with Sexual Assault and Felony Conviction at Liberty University
Liberty University'€™s Guide to Female Modesty
The Religious Right Nanny State, on View at Liberty University
Welcome to Liberty University, Now Gives Us Your Blood and Urine Sample



http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/05/11/1090946/-Liberty-University-s-The-Liberty-Way-exposed#

Won't be surprised to find out Cruz agrees with all of these. He is a socon, Johnny-come-lately tea party guy who is a neocon overseas.

[TNforPaul45]

LYNCHBURG, Va.—Sen. Ted Cruz took the stage to declare his presidential candidacy at Liberty University Monday, surrounded by upwards of 10,000 cheering students. They weren't all here by choice.
Attendance at convocation at Liberty is mandatory, and a group of students clad in "Stand With Rand" shirts sat center stage—directly in view of the cameras—to log their displeasure with having to be here.

ht tp://www.nationaljournal.com/2016-elections/students-stand-with-rand-cruz-20150323

So the 9 Rand supporters were the only individuals who were there voluntarily, and the rest were forced to go support Cruz 2016. Yeah that about sums up Ted Cruz I think :)

http://cdn-media.nationaljournal.com/?controllerName=image&action=get&id=45767&format=nj2013_10_columns

[serenityrick]

Why is this place called "LIBERTY" University?

Highlights of Liberty University's Controlling and Fascist-like methods:

The university also has an all-encompassing code of conduct, called €œThe Liberty Way, which governs what students can say, do, read, and watch both on and off campus €“ and sets out a regimen of reprimands and fines for violators.

The First Amendment Doesn'€™t Apply at Liberty
No R-Rated Movies, Un-Godly Music, or Immodest Posters at Liberty University
No Dancing or Kissing at Liberty University
Witchcraft and Abortion on Par with Sexual Assault and Felony Conviction at Liberty University
Liberty University'€™s Guide to Female Modesty
The Religious Right Nanny State, on View at Liberty University
Welcome to Liberty University, Now Gives Us Your Blood and Urine Sample



http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/05/11/1090946/-Liberty-University-s-The-Liberty-Way-exposed#

The first amendment doesn't apply to any private institution. I have no problem with them having strict rules like that.. Those students chose to go there so it's not like they had a gun to their head.

[serenityrick]

Lol, Cruz knew he wouldn't be able to attract an impressive crowd so he announces at a mandatory student event.

And so what if he agrees with those rules? As long as he isn't advocating for those rules to be applied to society forcefully, who gives a shit what he or any other politician thinks?

And no.. Ted Cruz would not advocate a society in which R-rated movies or kissing is banned. Let's not be idiotic here.

[francisco]

Jack Hunter's report, posted at rare:

http://rare.us/story/paul-fans-stand-with-rand-at-ted-cruzs-presidential-announcement-rally/

[rich34]

And so what if he agrees with those rules? As long as he isn't advocating for those rules to be applied to society forcefully, who gives a shit what he or any other politician thinks?

And no.. Ted Cruz would not advocate a society in which R-rated movies or kissing is banned. Let's not be idiotic here.

Sure, but let's also be real. Ted Cruz is an opportunist who knows he has no real shot at the nomination, but rather his main objective is to fool as many people possible into supporting him over Rand in order to hand Jeb Bush n company the nomination.

Also the blaze network ie Glen Beck is already shilling as hard as they can saying on his show this morning among many other absurd things that obviously apply to Rand that it's Cruz, not Rand that is drawing all the independent support and that's what it's going to take to win the general election. Wow Glen really??? Even though Rand draws the most support among independents while Cruz draws very little, close to the bottom actually, he then goes on a tirade of how others are dishonest and not telling the truth. To the uninformed this all sounds great but to someone like myself that knows better find these deception tactics despicable and gutless. It also honestly goes against everything the man supposedly stands for. Using and invoking God as a means to hoodwink people to vote for you has always been something i simply cannot stomach.. God bless you all but most of all SEND YOUR MONEY... The man is a fraud and those that support him and know the truth are equally frauds, period!!!

[SilentBull]

Hopefully, they are smart enough to wear those shirts to show unity with the Cruz supporters instead of open mocking. But college kids... Who knows?

This.

[69360]

Hopefully, they are smart enough to wear those shirts to show unity with the Cruz supporters instead of open mocking. But college kids... Who knows?

They just wore the shirts. Didn't interrupt the speech or cause any sort of scene. Attendance was mandatory for students, so they just showed their non-support of Cruz in a non-disruptive not disrespectful way.

I think it was funny.

[ThePaleoLibertarian]

3.5-1 male to female ratio... Looks like the female outreach is working!

[NIU Students for Liberty]

Hopefully, they are smart enough to wear those shirts to show unity with the Cruz supporters instead of open mocking. But college kids... Who knows?

They were forced to be in attendance for his announcement so no, I hope those students were standing in opposition to Cruz.

[acptulsa]

Also the blaze network ie Glen Beck is already shilling as hard as they can saying on his show this morning among many other absurd things that obviously apply to Rand that it's Cruz, not Rand that is drawing all the independent support and that's what it's going to take to win the general election. Wow Glen really??? Even though Rand draws the most support among independents while Cruz draws very little, close to the bottom actually, he then goes on a tirade of how others are dishonest and not telling the truth.

This is what we're up against, folks, and the starting gun has sounded.

[MaxPower]

Why is this place called "LIBERTY" University?

Highlights of Liberty University's Controlling and Fascist-like methods:

The university also has an all-encompassing code of conduct, called €œThe Liberty Way, which governs what students can say, do, read, and watch both on and off campus €“ and sets out a regimen of reprimands and fines for violators.

The First Amendment Doesn'€™t Apply at Liberty
No R-Rated Movies, Un-Godly Music, or Immodest Posters at Liberty University
No Dancing or Kissing at Liberty University
Witchcraft and Abortion on Par with Sexual Assault and Felony Conviction at Liberty University
Liberty University'€™s Guide to Female Modesty
The Religious Right Nanny State, on View at Liberty University
Welcome to Liberty University, Now Gives Us Your Blood and Urine Sample



http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/05/11/1090946/-Liberty-University-s-The-Liberty-Way-exposed#
Private institutions are perfectly within their rights to lay down codes of conduct for people who want to be a part of those institutions, on penalty of the severance of their membership. Mind you, some of those rules do seem unreasonable to me (no R-rated movies, no dancing, no kissing?), but they are perfectly compatible with liberty so long as they are part of an entirely voluntary agreement which the students accept when joining the university.

[MaxPower]

3.5-1 male to female ratio... Looks like the female outreach is working!
Nonconformist political ideologies in general, with the exception of specifically female-oriented ones like radical feminism, are primarily the province of males.

[Krugminator2]

How funny is that these kids have to attend an assembly? What is Liberty University? An elementary school? I couldn't even imagine being in college and being forced to at attend something like this. It is pretty Orwellian that the most anti-liberty school on the planet is called Liberty University.

[presence]

Wait a minute... so if you attend Liberty University there is mandatory attence at political rallies for people you don't support?

Is this the Onion? North Korea? Twilight Zone?

This thread gets the stamp:

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[jct74]

Rand Paul Supporters at Cruz’s Announcement: Nice Guy, but ‘Too Much of a War Hawk’

by Andrew Desiderio
5:27 pm, March 23rd, 2015

Earlier today, Mediaite noticed a trove of Rand Paul supporters who were sporting “Stand with Rand” t-shirts at Ted Cruz‘s announcement that he was entering the 2016 presidential race. After Cruz’s speech, CNN reporter Jeff Zeleny caught up with those Liberty University students, who were forced to be in attendance for the speech.

According to them, they were being used as “props,” and they weren’t happy about it.

“He’s a Christian man, he’s definitely a nice guy,” one student said. “It’s just that, from my personal beliefs, he’s a little bit too much of a war hawk.”

Watch the video below, via CNN:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QEUI2CMdtc

http://www.mediaite.com/online/rand-paul-supporters-at-cruzs-announcement-nice-guy-but-too-much-of-a-war-hawk/

[speciallyblend]

can someone please tell me how ted cruz can even run? Wasn't he born in canada? ooo so comical spreading the ben swann story on fb about shirts.

[presence]

The university also has an all-encompassing code of conduct, called €œThe Liberty Way, which governs what students can say, do, read, and watch both on and off campus €“ and sets out a regimen of reprimands and fines for violators.

The First Amendment Doesn'€™t Apply at Liberty
No R-Rated Movies, Un-Godly Music, or Immodest Posters at Liberty University
No Dancing or Kissing at Liberty University
Witchcraft and Abortion on Par with Sexual Assault and Felony Conviction at Liberty University
Liberty University'€™s Guide to Female Modesty
The Religious Right Nanny State, on View at Liberty University
Welcome to Liberty University, Now Gives Us Your Blood and Urine Sample

http://media.giphy.com/media/11VuVDwcO70bzG/giphy.gif

[TER]

Sure, but let's also be real. Ted Cruz is an opportunist who knows he has no real shot at the nomination, but rather his main objective is to fool as many people possible into supporting him over Rand in order to hand Jeb Bush n company the nomination.

Also the blaze network ie Glen Beck is already shilling as hard as they can saying on his show this morning among many other absurd things that obviously apply to Rand that it's Cruz, not Rand that is drawing all the independent support and that's what it's going to take to win the general election. Wow Glen really??? Even though Rand draws the most support among independents while Cruz draws very little, close to the bottom actually, he then goes on a tirade of how others are dishonest and not telling the truth. To the uninformed this all sounds great but to someone like myself that knows better find these deception tactics despicable and gutless. It also honestly goes against everything the man supposedly stands for. Using and invoking God as a means to hoodwink people to vote for you has always been something i simply cannot stomach.. God bless you all but most of all SEND YOUR MONEY... The man is a fraud and those that support him and know the truth are equally frauds, period!!!

+1

[Dr.3D]

Cruz shouldn't mind the shirts, he said he was proud to stand with Rand too.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcdWg6rP5XI

[Keith and stuff]

can someone please tell me how ted cruz can even run? Wasn't he born in canada? ooo so comical spreading the ben swann story on fb about shirts.

He has been in Congress for 2 years. Clearly, he is the most qualified Canadian for the job!

[serenityrick]

can someone please tell me how ted cruz can even run? Wasn't he born in canada? ooo so comical spreading the ben swann story on fb about shirts.

His mother is a US citizen. Therefore he is a citizen.

Can you imagine if a pregnant woman gave birth on vacation in say.. France and her son or daughter was no longer eligible to be President because of that? That's stupid.

[serenityrick]

Sure, but let's also be real. Ted Cruz is an opportunist who knows he has no real shot at the nomination, but rather his main objective is to fool as many people possible into supporting him over Rand in order to hand Jeb Bush n company the nomination.

Also the blaze network ie Glen Beck is already shilling as hard as they can saying on his show this morning among many other absurd things that obviously apply to Rand that it's Cruz, not Rand that is drawing all the independent support and that's what it's going to take to win the general election. Wow Glen really??? Even though Rand draws the most support among independents while Cruz draws very little, close to the bottom actually, he then goes on a tirade of how others are dishonest and not telling the truth. To the uninformed this all sounds great but to someone like myself that knows better find these deception tactics despicable and gutless. It also honestly goes against everything the man supposedly stands for. Using and invoking God as a means to hoodwink people to vote for you has always been something i simply cannot stomach.. God bless you all but most of all SEND YOUR MONEY... The man is a fraud and those that support him and know the truth are equally frauds, period!!!

Glenn also said that the two guys he supports the most right now are Rand and Ted.. Or did you decide to completely ignore that?

[torchbearer]

brings a smile to the heart.

[ThePaleoLibertarian]

Nonconformist political ideologies in general, with the exception of specifically female-oriented ones like radical feminism, are primarily the province of males.
That's true. Women's opinions are mostly based on social pressure, not logic or evidence. There are exceptions, but women's tribal nature is what they base their positions on.

[acptulsa]

Glenn also said that the two guys he supports the most right now are Rand and Ted.. Or did you decide to completely ignore that?

No more than you are ignoring the fact that Beck said nice things about his father, too--a couple of times--then Beckstabbed him--a couple of times. Why would we sit and wait for the obvious to happen before we started watching his son's back? As a springboard for 2024?


https://youtube.com/watch?v=eKgPY1adc0A

[torchbearer]

can someone please tell me how ted cruz can even run? Wasn't he born in canada? ooo so comical spreading the ben swann story on fb about shirts.


yeah, Calgary native, eh.

[Kotin]

one thing I have always loved about the liberty movement is how it brings a bunch of people together who probably would never know eachother otherwise and much more than that, it makes us like family almost instantly when we get together.. that was always my experience when traveling during the election cycles to different events and I cant wait to do it again.

[torchbearer]

We're your family...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7wAzAKlU8E

[clint4liberty]

Glenn Beck is has fundamentally endorsed Ted Cruz. If I was Rand Paul I would still enter the fray and do an interview on Glenn Beck Radio show anyways.

[torchbearer]

Glenn Beck is has fundamentally endorsed Ted Cruz. If I was Rand Paul I would still enter the fray and do an interview on Glenn Beck Radio show anyways.

not sure if serious.

[asurfaholic]

not sure if serious.
I think he is has the seriousness

[FriedChicken]

for Ron I was more interested in showing my support than winning votes, even though I had the best intentions.
sometimes showing support in ways like this actually hardens potential voters against you.

Cruise voters are the easiest for us to pick up when it becomes apparent that cruise has the electability problem.
if this were a Bush rally it might actually be good strategy ( being the anti Bush candidate) but I'm not seeing much to gain by doing this with Ted.

the fact it was a mandatory gathering makes a difference but that fact will lost on most.

[whoisjohngalt]

for Ron I was more interested in showing my support than winning votes, even though I had the best intentions.
sometimes showing support in ways like this actually hardens potential voters against you.

Cruise voters are the easiest for us to pick up when it becomes apparent that cruise has the electability problem.
if this were a Bush rally it might actually be good strategy ( being the anti Bush candidate) but I'm not seeing much to gain by doing this with Ted.

the fact it was a mandatory gathering makes a difference but that fact will lost on most.

Luckily, all the stories allowed the kids to explain why they did it. Though some will probably only read a headline or see it on twitter.

[DevilsAdvocate]

We should track all the other candidate's speeches and campaign stops, and coordinate with Rand Paul supporters in that local area. They all enter the event with "Ted Cruz" or "Hillary Clinton" sweatshirts. Then mid way through the speech, all of them take off the sweatshirts en masse to reveal "RAND PAUL" t-shirts underneath.

[devil21]

This is gonna be one fun election.


I know the guy who organized this.

Oh yeah? What's his name? How do you know him?

[Brett85]

I know the guy who organized this.

[puppetmaster]

His mother is a US citizen. Therefore he is a citizen.

Can you imagine if a pregnant woman gave birth on vacation in say.. France and her son or daughter was no longer eligible to be President because of that? That's stupid.

Hey I should run for the Prime Minister in Canada....that is where my mom was born......That's stupid

[whoisjohngalt]

Hey I should run for the Prime Minister in Canada....that is where my mom was born......That's stupid

And you could if you became a Canadian citizenship no matter where you were born, because other countries don't have such an incredibly stupid, anachronistic, and xenophobic law preventing it.

You are clearly a proud Murican though as evidenced by your utter lack of knowledge of how any other countries political system works. You don't run for prime minister. You are appointed PM if you are the leader of a party that wins a majority of seats in Parliament.

But who gives a fuck? Murica!!!

[DP714]

Love it... Just one thing: at what point do they stop being kids and start being adults? Not trying to be "that guy" but just thought I'd leave this thought here. Saying these are just a buncha kids discredits them to an extent, in the average person's mind at least.

[devil21]

Yall realize Cruz is an ashkenazi right? Just sayin. His whole Cuban/Canadian thing is a smokescreen.

[DevilsAdvocate]

And you could if you became a Canadian citizenship no matter where you were born, because other countries don't have such an incredibly stupid, anachronistic, and xenophobic law preventing it.

You are clearly a proud Murican though as evidenced by your utter lack of knowledge of how any other countries political system works. You don't run for prime minister. You are appointed PM if you are the leader of a party that wins a majority of seats in Parliament.

But who gives a fuck? Murica!!!

The intention of the law is to make sure that whoever holds the highest office in the land is loyal to America. That they grew up here, all of their childhood experiences are here, they hold great loyalty to the land and the people.

Imagine someone grows up in France, and then moves here at age 30 and becomes president. That person simply would not be loyal to America in the same way that someone who grew up reading about the founding fathers and saluting the flag would be. It isn't xenophobic, it's common sense.

[Matt Collins]

for Ron I was more interested in showing my support than winning votes, even though I had the best intentions.And here is a big reason why Ron didn't win the nomination in 2012. :(

[r3volution 3.0]

Ted Cruz...surrounded by upwards of 10,000 cheering students...Attendance at convocation at Liberty is mandatory

http://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/60567842.jpg

[whoisjohngalt]

The intention of the law is to make sure that whoever holds the highest office in the land is loyal to America. That they grew up here, all of their childhood experiences are here, they hold great loyalty to the land and the people.

Imagine someone grows up in France, and then moves here at age 30 and becomes president. That person simply would not be loyal to America in the same way that someone who grew up reading about the founding fathers and saluting the flag would be. It isn't xenophobic, it's common sense.

If his loyalty was in question, the electorate should be smart enough not to elect him. If they aren't, they get the government they deserve.

What if his parents were Russian spies and he was a citizen who was raised to be subversive? It's just as ridiculous and it's a completely xenophobic law. The first many Presidents weren't born in America. Martin Van Buren was more Dutch then American. It's nonsense and is not required in a free society.

I've found in my thirty year here that immigrants have much greater respect and loyalty for this country then most of the native born. They certainly know way more about our history and laws.

[DevilsAdvocate]

If his loyalty was in question, the electorate should be smart enough not to elect him. If they aren't, they get the government they deserve.

What if his parents were Russian spies and he was a citizen who was raised to be subversive? It's just as ridiculous and it's a completely xenophobic law. The first many Presidents weren't born in America. Martin Van Buren was more Dutch then American. It's nonsense and is not required in a free society.

I've found in my thirty year here that immigrants have much greater respect and loyalty for this country then most of the native born. They certainly know way more about our history and laws.

How could you trust a French born president to negotiate a trade deal with France? And the electorate isn't smart enough not to elect someone like that, establishment interests can be too strong. It's the same reason why we need Term Limits.

The whole point of a Constitutional Republic is that we recognize that there are certain issues and situations in which majority rule simply isn't the best policy. Hence the Bill of Rights.

[whoisjohngalt]

How could you trust a French born president to negotiate a trade deal with France? And the electorate isn't smart enough not to elect someone like that, establishment interests can be too strong. It's the same reason why we need Term Limits.

The whole point of a Constitutional Republic is that we recognize that there are certain issues and situations in which majority rule simply isn't the best policy. Hence the Bill of Rights.

How could you trust the child of those French immigrants to negotiate a trade deal with France. What if the immigrated here and became citizens, gave birth to a son here, moved back to France to raise him until she 30 and then he moved back?

He would be eligible. But a child born to American parents living abroad I'm France who returned here with their child at age 2 and raised him here would not have an eligible child.

Sorry it's dumb, anachronistic, and xenophobic. Worse yet it's an arbitrary point to fixate on. I don't trust people who have never left the US to negotiate a trade deal with France.

It's incredibly collectivist and against what this movement stands for. We judge individuals based on their character.

I don't care where someone was born anymore than I care about their skin color. It's something you have no control over.

[puppetmaster]

If his loyalty was in question, the electorate should be smart enough not to elect him. If they aren't, they get the government they deserve.

What if his parents were Russian spies and he was a citizen who was raised to be subversive? It's just as ridiculous and it's a completely xenophobic law. The first many Presidents weren't born in America. Martin Van Buren was more Dutch then American. It's nonsense and is not required in a free society.

I've found in my thirty year here that immigrants have much greater respect and loyalty for this country then most of the native born. They certainly know way more about our history and laws.

Then they would know how to legally change the law... not just ignore it. Reminds me of the president we have.

[puppetmaster]

And you could if you became a Canadian citizenship no matter where you were born, because other countries don't have such an incredibly stupid, anachronistic, and xenophobic law preventing it.

You are clearly a proud Murican though as evidenced by your utter lack of knowledge of how any other countries political system works. You don't run for prime minister. You are appointed PM if you are the leader of a party that wins a majority of seats in Parliament.

But who gives a fuck? Murica!!!

Really could care less how the Canadians conduct their business...we have enough issues here to fill my life. and fuck Yeah I still like Murica and will do what I can to defend it for my kids. Stop being so hostile and childish.

[orenbus]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUz4YlwgFZQ

[r3volution 3.0]

LOL

[The Free Hornet]

Private institutions are perfectly within their rights to lay down codes of conduct for people who want to be a part of those institutions, on penalty of the severance of their membership. Mind you, some of those rules do seem unreasonable to me (no R-rated movies, no dancing, no kissing?), but they are perfectly compatible with liberty so long as they are part of an entirely voluntary agreement which the students accept when joining the university.

"... entirely voluntary agreement"? Bullshit.

These institutions - not individuals - are state-mandated roadblocks to the practice of many professions including medicine, your access to one of the three branches of government, professional engineering, most teaching jobs, etc. It is racketeering.

Feel free to defend them, but I hope you are compensated for your "services". Don't forget to wipe your chin.

[Valli6]

His mother is a US citizen. Therefore he is a citizen.

Ted Cruz is a natural born duel-citizen, as opposed to a natural born American citizen.


Can you imagine if a pregnant woman gave birth on vacation in say.. France and her son or daughter was no longer eligible to be President because of that? That's stupid.
That is, in fact the law, but apparently they stopped teaching kids about this during the last decade or so.
The law can be changed but you can't just ignore it.

[Brett85]

Oh yeah? What's his name? How do you know him?

Joseph Elijah McGowan. He goes by "Eli." I know him because he used to date a girl that lives in the same town that I do. Then he moved back to Virginia and now attends Liberty University.

[JK/SEA]

those kids in the shirts...they're hurting Rands chances.

[surf]

http://www.mediaite.com/online/rand-paul-supporters-at-cruzs-announcement-nice-guy-but-too-much-of-a-war-hawk/
brings back memories. I love the "warhawk" comment.

[serenityrick]

Ted Cruz is a natural born duel-citizen, as opposed to a natural born American citizen.


That is, in fact the law, but apparently they stopped teaching kids about this during the last decade or so.
The law can be changed but you can't just ignore it.


You're entirely mistaken dude, I don't know what to say. Even liberal constitutionalists have said that Ted Cruz is eligible to run for President.

I know this entire board hates the guy, but come on.

[jct74]

Jon Stewart mentioned this last night, go to 2:15



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dQEgf4VtRQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dQEgf4VtRQ

[francisco]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dQEgf4VtRQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dQEgf4VtRQ

Hahaha, Stewart had some really funny stuff in there, and some well-deserved jabs at Cruz too

On edit: It will be interesting to see what Stewart (not to mention the rest of the MSM) makes of Rand's announcement on April 7.

[r3volution 3.0]

those kids in the shirts...they're hurting Rands chances.

...not sure if serious...

But I think it was great. The media tried to spin it as "those wacky libertarians" being disruptive - but in doing so they had to point out how Cruz's adoring 10,000-strong audience was forced to attend = win. Don't know if the kids planned it that way, but that's the result. I say bravo.

[francisco]

...not sure if serious...

But I think it was great. The media tried to spin it as "those wacky libertarians" being disruptive - but in doing so they had to point out how Cruz's adoring 10,000-strong audience was forced to attend = win. Don't know if the kids planned it that way, but that's the result. I say bravo.

Same here

[phill4paul]

...not sure if serious...

But I think it was great. The media tried to spin it as "those wacky libertarians" being disruptive - but in doing so they had to point out how Cruz's adoring 10,000-strong audience was forced to attend = win. Don't know if the kids planned it that way, but that's the result. I say bravo.

It couldn't have been scripted better. And I am serious. I'm just wondering if this was a grassroots up initiative or a campaign down initiative. These were members of Young Americans for Liberty. Wish there was a forum member in the area that could get some of the "Stand with Rand" students to do an interview.

[Peace&Freedom]

It couldn't have been scripted better. And I am serious. I'm just wondering if this was a grassroots up initiative or a campaign down initiative.

It was a great episode for both the local Rand activists, and for some factions of the Christian right, as it was a sign that more evangelicals can be reached by Rand's message. If Paulians can be mobilized even within Liberty University, it means positive dialogue can be had with, and some votes can be gotten from this group.

[Sola_Fide]

Jon Stewart mentioned this last night, go to 2:15



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dQEgf4VtRQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dQEgf4VtRQ

Pretty funny, but Rand's is coming soon....you can guarantee that.

[jct74]

It couldn't have been scripted better. And I am serious. I'm just wondering if this was a grassroots up initiative or a campaign down initiative. These were members of Young Americans for Liberty. Wish there was a forum member in the area that could get some of the "Stand with Rand" students to do an interview.

here are 2 of them interviewed by USA Today (go to 2:00)



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzUkztZNKlU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzUkztZNKlU


h/t The Right Scoop (http://therightscoop.com/usa-today-interviews-two-of-libertys-rand-paul-students-about-ted-cruz/)

[phill4paul]

here are 2 of them interviewed by USA Today (go to 2:00)



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzUkztZNKlU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzUkztZNKlU


h/t The Right Scoop (http://therightscoop.com/usa-today-interviews-two-of-libertys-rand-paul-students-about-ted-cruz/)

Seemed like it was just a grassroots up initiative which is wonderful.

[RonPaulGeorge&Ringo]

If his loyalty was in question, the electorate should be smart enough not to elect him.

Ridiculous. The natural born citizen clause is just one of many checks and balances against mob rule that the Founders put into our Constitution. Are you one of these people who advocates overthrowing our republican system of government and the entire Constitution in favor of direct democracy? You seem to think the electorate is "smart enough."


What if his parents were Russian spies and he was a citizen who was raised to be subversive?

Then he shouldn't be President, and if his parents were illegal Russian aliens, he wouldn't be legally eligible to.



The first many Presidents weren't born in America.

They were born in colonies that declared independence and founded America. And more importantly, they were Americans in 1787, which qualified them to serve as President. I'm pretty sure Ted Cruz isn't 220 years old.


Martin Van Buren was more Dutch then American.

Van Buren was born to New York citizens in 1782 and was a citizen in 1787.


It's nonsense

Yes, everything you have said is nonsense. Correct.


and is not required in a free society.

Free societies gnerally aren't ruled by foreign dictators.


I've found in my thirty year here that immigrants have much greater respect and loyalty for this country

Your own words belie this statement. You are an immigrant, and here you are agitating against the Constitution and in favor of foreign dictatorship over this country. You are showing zero respect or loyalty.

[whoisjohngalt]

I didn't realize we had any people as crazy as you on this site. Please leave me alone you jingoistic, xenophobic piece of shit.

You are a disgrace to the cause of liberty. You should not be here.

[philipped]

The John Steward video was funny.

[Kotin]

And you could if you became a Canadian citizenship no matter where you were born, because other countries don't have such an incredibly stupid, anachronistic, and xenophobic law preventing it.

You are clearly a proud Murican though as evidenced by your utter lack of knowledge of how any other countries political system works. You don't run for prime minister. You are appointed PM if you are the leader of a party that wins a majority of seats in Parliament.

But who gives a fuck? Murica!!!

Every time I see you post, you are condescending and insulting.. We get it, you are a super cool liberty guy

[RonPaulGeorge&Ringo]

. Please leave me alone .

If you don't want me to reply to your posts, don't post anti-American pro-tyranny lies and bullshit. Thanks for proving you have no respect, and no coherent logical argument.

[whoisjohngalt]

Every time I see you post, you are condescending and insulting.. We get it, you are a super cool liberty guy

I think every time is a bit of hyperbole.

And I feel 0 remorse for being insulting and condescending to people to people with attitudes deserving of such treatment.
Admittedly, my most recent posts have been more vitriolic and combative than usual and I've been using internet arguments for cathartic release, lately.

But the market doesn't seem to dislike it as much as you do, based on the all the rep I've gotten lately.
Sorry that I have offended you.