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James_Madison_Lives
03-14-2015, 04:59 PM
https://marathontrial.wordpress.com/2015/03/13/the-evidence-for-a-wider-plot-in-the-tsarnaev-trial/

As the Dzhokhar Tsarnaev trial barrels ahead, in the third day already unveiling the prosecution’s surveillance video and the mystery witness “Danny,” whose name turns out to be Dun Meng (http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2015/03/12/more-testimony-about-death-mit-officer-sean-collier-expected-tsarnaev-trial/rvMR7fgpIdEnMJvibg3SuJ/story.html), many questions still remain which point to the existence of a third party, or a third party organization.


The most tantalizing indicator, of course, is that we now know someone, a woman, was with Tamerlan when he bought five pressure cookers at Macy’s in Boston. The pair were captured in a Macy’s store surveillance video. Law enforcement is trying to determine if the woman is Katherine Russell, Tamerlan’s widow, who is now under active investigation.

(https://gma.yahoo.com/boston-bombing-suspect-widow-under-investigation-could-face-232258623--abc-news-topstories.html)

Ms. Russell, remember, is coincidentally a granddaughter of Skull and Bones (http://www.cryptogon.com/?p=34962), her father being the son of Richard W. Russell, listed in Eric Samuelson’s Skull and Bones membership list. And not just Skull and Bones, but possibly a descendant of William Huntington Russell (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Huntington_Russell) (1809 – 1885), a co-founder of Skull and Bones, the famous feeder club for the CIA. Skull and Bones – CIA alumni include (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Skull_and_Bones_members) Charles S. Whitehouse, US Ambassador to Laos, George H.W. Bush, William Sloane Coffin, and William F. Buckley.


That is on top of Tamerlan’s uncle Ruslan just happening to be the son-in-law (http://21stcenturywire.com/2013/05/04/tsarnaev-wife-skull-and-bones-cia-family-connections/) of CIA, Iran-Contra scoundrel Graham Fuller (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graham_E._Fuller), yes, that Graham Fuller, and Ruslan himself a USAID cover for CIA. USAID in Chechnya does not hire social workers.


How many crazy coincidences can you have in one crime? Remember the Tsarnaev brothers were pretty much just working class kids. Regardless of whether or not the woman in the Macy’s video is Russell, the mere exposure of the fact that someone was with Tamerlan, not his brother, leaves a gaping hole in the two-lone-perpetrators theory. Even if it was not Russell, who was it? Will the defense even call attention to the video, and suggest that the brothers were not acting alone?


The video surveillance compilation (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqaGJ50Cz7o) presented by the prosecution splices still images into various pieces of surveillance video along a timeline, starting from when the suspects round the corner at the Whiskey Steakhouse, to them fleeing down Boylston Street. But it conveniently omits the video segment of a man with an earpiece apparently tracking the brothers around the corner at the Whiskey (at minute 3:20 in this video.)

(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkxfMIMNDDU)

The promised scene of Dzhokhar setting down his backpack is believable enough, but what is less believable is that the backpack weighs 30 pounds. Dzhokhar handles the backpack as if it contains notebooks and a sandwich, not two 15 pound barbells worth of steel and gunpowder.


Much was made of a still photo allegedly captured by Marathon runner David Green (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/19/david-green-boston-marathon-suspect-dzhokhar-tsarnaev-photo_n_3118601.html), in which Dzhokhar can be seeing fleeing with the crowd. Green’s capture of an image of the suspect was heralded as a stroke of good fortune. Green’s oft-told story is that he, a marathon runner finished with the race, caught the shot in a moment of luck after the second bomb went off. But in the video- still photo compilation which is shown to the jury, a photo emerges which is much like Green’s but cannot be Green’s, because the angle is slightly different. Green never mentioned anything about taking two photos, and in fact told the New York Daily News (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/tiny-victim-bombing-recovering-article-1.1320266): “It was one shot and it was the shot that counted”.


Was someone else taking the photos besides Green? The original Green photo was ridiculed as being a Photoshop job, hiding the backpack, although in the moving video it is clear neither of the brothers have their backpacks. Dzhokhar is in front of a brick wall in the original Green photo, but in the prosecution’s current version he is in front of a wooden door.


Detail of David Green photo showing Dzhokhar fleeing bombing, past the wooden door
https://marathontrial.files.wordpress.com/2015/03/david-green-boston-marathon-bombing-suspect.jpg?w=300&h=212 (https://marathontrial.files.wordpress.com/2015/03/david-green-boston-marathon-bombing-suspect.jpg)
Photo shown to jury in surveillance video, Dzhokhar flush with wooden door
https://marathontrial.files.wordpress.com/2015/03/juryvid.png?w=300&h=162 (https://marathontrial.files.wordpress.com/2015/03/juryvid.png)
Video shown to jury by the prosecution

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqaGJ50Cz7o




Even if we lay those issues to rest, and grant the prosecution’s assertion that the brothers had backpacks and put them down, so did other men (http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2013/04/the-black-and-tan-men-at-the-boston-marathon-were-national-guard-civil-support-teams.html), never adequately explained by the police, nor what they were doing running away without their backpacks also. Then the stubborn fact that neither of the brothers’ backpacks match the one released by police in a photo, showing a square logo on the top flap. The brothers’ backpacks were also a different color from the one shown by police.


From Reddit discussion uncovering paramilitary men missing backpacks https://i2.wp.com/i.imgur.com/RxRzprN.jpg Where does this go? A well-known journalist who distrusts the official story told me that the brothers almost certainly were involved on some level. Riding with police and reporters who were there, he said it is just too unlikely that so many police could be collaborating on the basic events of the night, and he opined they were truthful. There was shooting going on back and forth with the brothers, although the officer hit was possibly hit by friendly fire.
Was the plan for the brothers to participate in a drill, and put the backpacks down at a certain time and place? When they saw the jaws of the trap snap shut, did they decide to make a run then go down shooting? It is intriguing that authorities were conducting what was announced as an exercise (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-vjPw8QZV0) that morning at the starting line, involving bomb-sniffing dogs and rooftop snipers.


There is a cryptic note presented (http://news.yahoo.com/boston-marathon-bombing-suspect-dzhokhar-tsarnaevs-secret-online-193440883--abc-news-topstories.html) by the prosecution from Dzhokhar, which said: “They will spend their money and they will regret it and then they will be defeated.”


Could this have meant the brothers were being paid by handlers? It is important to remember Tamerlan was an alien and had possible deportation at any time to use as a club against him, never to see his daughter again.


The carjack victim, now unmasked as Dun Meng, was certainly convincing enough as a man thinking someone was trying to kill him. Nevertheless it is curious that he has told conflicting stories of his escape from Tamerlan, in one version Tamerlan being in the car (http://www.cbsnews.com/news/boston-suspects-carjacking-victim-describes-terrifying-night/), in the driver’s seat, when Meng makes a break out the passenger door, in the other Tamerlan being outside the car pumping gas (https://marathontrial.wordpress.com/2015/03/13/the-evidence-for-a-wider-plot-in-the-tsarnaev-trial/Danny). One would think one would remember a detail like that when you think you are about to die.


Surveillance video: Dun Meng escape

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=niRSu1iekLs




As well, the defense, if you can call it that, would be remiss to not, at the very least, subpoena cellphone records just to confirm that it was Tamerlan that Dzhokhar was talking to four minutes before the first bomb went off, as shown in the prosecutor’s surveillance montage.


That video montage, notably, does not support a repeated contention to the media, by the FBI and Massachusetts Governor Duval Patrick, that Dzhokhar did not “react” when the first explosion went off, as he clearly suddenly looked in the direction of the blast like everyone else, then fled. Massachusetts Governor Duval Patrick said on Meet the Press in 2013 (http://articles.latimes.com/2013/apr/21/nation/la-na-nn-boston-bombings-video-backpack-20130421):

“The videotape is not something I’ve seen, it’s been described to me, in my briefings, but It does seem to be pretty clear that this suspect took the backpack off, put it down, did not react when the first explosion went off and then moved away from the backpack in time for the second explosion. It’s pretty clear about his involvement and pretty chilling, frankly, as it was described to me.”
There also remain the facts that:


– The brothers at one point were apparently trying to surrender (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4abBDzq3LM), but the police were having none of it, as they yelled “We didn’t do it!” from behind their vehicle in the dark in Watertown.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4abBDzq3LM




– That the existence of the incriminating note in the boat Dzhokhar was hiding in was announced a full month (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/05/16/boston-marathon-bombing-dzhokhar-tsarnaev-note-boat/2165543/) after the capture, even as the media reported every other incriminating detail. On this score it is only a matter of time before a true handwriting sample from Dzhokhar surfaces and Internet sleuths will compare the handwriting.


– Then there is the strange video which cannot be ignored of a naked man looking very much like Tamerlan in custody (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VS8CAUFFSMU), and identified by his aunt as him. A woman who may have changed the man’s diapers said without hesitancy: “That’s Tamerlan.”


– Oh yes, and let’s not forget that poor chap in Florida, Todashev (http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/03/24/dark-questions-about-a-deadly-fbi-interrogation-in-orlando/), Tamerlan’s friend, who caught three bullets in the back while unarmed and so now will never be able to tell anything he knew.


It is the FBI’s own prevarications and this murderous behavior which is most damning. The FBI claimed that it did not know the brothers before April 15, 2013, when in fact it had interviewed them numerous times (http://www.bostonglobe.com/news/nation/2013/04/23/russia-contacted-fbi-multiple-times-concerns-about-alleged-boston-marathon-bomber/ND0bhUdq1Tp1mRuC8xlb8N/story.html), along with the family.


Not only did it know them, it let Tamerlan slip to Chechnya in 2012 (http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/21/us/tamerlan-tsarnaev-timeline/index.html), even as he was on at least two terror watch lists (http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/25/us/tamerlan-tsarnaev-bomb-suspect-was-on-watch-lists.html?_r=0). The FBI attributed the error to a name misspelling somewhere along the line, as if an Edward Snowden could elude Homeland Security and leave the country just by misspelling his name on a document.


The FBI’s own behavior, as well as other factors like the clear attempt to kill Dzhokhar and never let him see trial, points to the brothers being involved as patsies of some sort, perhaps playing secret agent, and being told to be at certain places at certain times. Some have pointed out that the bombs were fairly sophisticated, in their power and destructiveness, and were likely beyond the reach of an amateur bomb-maker.


Police attempt to kill defendant while hiding in boat
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0ji_O1exwE




The murder of Sean Collier is not cleared up much by the video presented by the prosecution, which shows two men, who are not identifiable in the video because of the dark and great distance, approaching Collier’s patrol car and killing him. An MIT student witness, Nathan Harman, in his testimony alternately switched from the pronoun “he” to “they,” according to CNN (http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/11/us/boston-bombing-trial/). Coaching? Nevertheless Harman at this point seems credible enough. He identified Dzhokhar directly as a man with a “big nose.” There is no reason to think he is lying. But could a look-alike team of assassins easily be found to do this job? Remember, we already know the FBI lied about at least one thing.


An inconvenient moment of candor took place when MIT police Sargent Clarence Henniger, who was the first on the scene of the Collier shooting, revealed in an interview with Boston’s WBUR radio that FBI agents were already watching the house in which Tamerlan lived in Cambridge even before he was identified Thursday night, four days after the bombing. Four days had elapsed before the Bureau released the first surveillance photos of the suspects and asked the public for help in identifying them. Henniger said (http://www.bostonmagazine.com/news/blog/2014/04/24/fbi-official-tsarnaev-allegations-patently-false/#.U1qnplkITRQ.twitter):

“The word was out regarding the suspects. We knew that his house was under surveillance, and the feds were all over the city of Cambridge.”
The FBI found this admission alarming enough to issue an official denial of Henniger’s claim, saying, “No one was surveilling the Tsarnaevs and they were not identified until after the shootout. Any claims to the contrary are false.” But when pressed, Henniger stuck to his story, saying “to some degree I’m sure [the FBI] knew.”


The brothers’ mother and father have both steadfastly maintained that the brothers were “set-up”: The mother told Russia Today, as reported by Reuters (http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/04/20/us-usa-explosions-boston-mother-idUSBRE93J0AE20130420):

“He (Tamerlan) was ‘controlled’ by the FBI, like, for three to five years…They knew what my son was doing. They knew what sites on the internet he was going to.”
The mother, Zubeidat Tsarnaeva, said:

“They were telling me that he was really an extremist leader and that they were afraid of him. They told me whatever information he is getting, he gets from these extremist sites. They were controlling him…I am, like, 100 percent sure, that this is a set-up,”
The brothers’ father, Anzor Tsarnaev, told Russia’s Channel One (http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/04/20/us-usa-explosions-boston-mother-idUSBRE93J0AE20130420) television:

“I do not believe that my sons could have planned and organized the terrorist act, because they knew U.S. national security services were keeping an eye on them…They (the security services) said ‘We know what you eat, what you read on the Internet.'”
The overriding fact to all of this, of course, is that after two years in isolation and with God-knows-what being done to him, Dzhokhar is described by people who know him as being a shell of himself, and in newspaper accounts as all but comatose. During one day’s proceedings the AP described (http://news.yahoo.com/different-views-bombing-suspect-given-trial-063434741--spt.html) the defendant as “slouched in his seat and [showing] little reaction as the case unfolded.” A former high school wrestling teammate of Dzhokhar’s recently told the Boston Globe, of a recent court appearance by Tsarnaev, that he seemed like a “different guy” who had a different “body language.” (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUSHcW5P2co) Is Dzhokhar doped up?


The public must insist that Dzhokhar take the stand, as he is doomed anyway, and will get the death penalty no matter what his lawyer does. If there were other plotters, there is only the hope that there is a braincell left somewhere deep which will blurt out the wrong thing for the prosecution. His initial plea was not guilty, after all. The event marked a warp-speed increase in the demonization of Muslims in America, and the introduction of the first ever, voluntary, city-wide lock-down whenever a man with a gun is loose. A very convenient tool for dealing with pesky anti-wall Street-type protesters.


Dzhokhar must take the stand, as a dead man to clear his name. Whatever he did, he and his brother did not do alone, and America must know the truth.



https://marathontrial.wordpress.com/2015/03/13/the-evidence-for-a-wider-plot-in-the-tsarnaev-trial/

phill4paul
03-14-2015, 05:06 PM
The defense destroyed the FBI's social media/alleged connections agent.

James_Madison_Lives
03-14-2015, 06:33 PM
The defense destroyed the FBI's social media/alleged connections agent.

Dzhokhar said in a tweet, " they'll spend their money." He must've meant they were getting paid to participate in war games. They couldn't have meant the Marathon. The Marathon is free.

angelatc
03-14-2015, 06:47 PM
So, it actually happened then? Last I heard it was all a big fraud.

James_Madison_Lives
03-14-2015, 07:52 PM
So, it actually happened then? Last I heard it was all a big fraud.

If you mean fraud like it involved more people, yes. If you mean fraud like it did happen, that is stupid. Which definition of fraud are you using?

Mach
03-14-2015, 10:28 PM
This is how they move the Chess pieces, they feed and lead.

EX: WTC 1993 (FACT)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYcAfOoGagw

fr33
03-15-2015, 02:08 AM
So, it actually happened then? Last I heard it was all a big fraud.

Yeah, where is devil(+abunchofnumbers) and the rest of the "truthers" that tell us the legless guy was already legless? One thing is sure. They aren't at the trial. Many of the bombing victims showed up there. You know who didn't show up? These brilliant youtube sleuths that have been mapping out the conspiracy of it all being fake. They could actually investigate and interview but instead choose not to. Gee I wonder why.

dannno
03-15-2015, 03:54 AM
Yeah, where is devil(+abunchofnumbers) and the rest of the "truthers" that tell us the legless guy was already legless? One thing is sure. They aren't at the trial. Many of the bombing victims showed up there. You know who didn't show up? These brilliant youtube sleuths that have been mapping out the conspiracy of it all being fake. They could actually investigate and interview but instead choose not to. Gee I wonder why.

Well since it is clear there were multiple others involved and this was a CIA op, maybe there were real victims, at least one real bomb and maybe their were also crisis actors and possibly one 'fake' bomb?

That way when we point it out, people like you make the people who have more attention to detail the enemy instead of the other people who actually helped carry it out. It's a great distraction for people like you so that they don't get caught. Good job, you played right into their psychological tricks. But you usually do.

Zippyjuan
03-15-2015, 11:30 AM
So, it actually happened then? Last I heard it was all a big fraud.

Nobody died. Nobody ever dies. From anything (except vaccines). It was all actors.

James_Madison_Lives
03-15-2015, 03:45 PM
Well since it is clear there were multiple others involved and this was a CIA op, maybe their were real victims, at least one real bomb and maybe their were also crisis actors and possibly one 'fake' bomb?

That way when we point it out, people like you make the people who have more attention to detail the enemy instead of the other people who actually helped carry it out. It's a great distraction for people like you so that they don't get caught. Good job, you played right into their psychological tricks. But you usually do.

The police have admitted that a woman was with the older brother when he bought 5 pressure cookers at Macy's in Boston. Who was she? The Skull and Bones legacy wife? Someone else? This fact alone points to others besides the brothers involved.

UWDude
03-16-2015, 02:57 AM
I wonder how long the CIA has been using and funding Chechens.
I wonder where Putin is, especially right after Chechens were caught assassinating Nemtsov.
I wonder when the truth will be revealed.

Weston White
03-16-2015, 03:47 AM
Nobody died. Nobody ever dies. From anything (except vaccines). It was all actors.

It was reported that three were killed and approximately 264-others were injured. Now, is it at all feasible that the incident could be both staged and real, simultaneously? As in a training operation that suddenly, miraculously, turns into a real life incident--just like such has occurred elsewhere so many times already. For example the London 7/7 Bombing, quoting the Peter Power interview:


And the most peculiar thing was, we based our scenario on the simultaneous attacks on an underground and mainline station. So we had to suddenly switch an exercise from 'fictional' to 'real'.

http://www.julyseventh.co.uk/july-7-terror-rehearsal.html

Those involved have learned from past false-flags, nobody really cares about a tragic event unless mass-casualties have been incurred. Thusly, if they need to pay crisis-actors/actresses to accomplish their ends, then so be it.

Weston White
03-16-2015, 03:50 AM
Also, I am curious about this Macy's CCTV footage, those stores generally only maintain those videos for around 72-hours before the footage is recycled. Anyone know what the purchase date is?

jmdrake
03-16-2015, 04:03 AM
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jmdrake
03-16-2015, 04:34 AM
So, it actually happened then? Last I heard it was all a big fraud.


Yeah, where is devil(+abunchofnumbers) and the rest of the "truthers" that tell us the legless guy was already legless? One thing is sure. They aren't at the trial. Many of the bombing victims showed up there. You know who didn't show up? These brilliant youtube sleuths that have been mapping out the conspiracy of it all being fake. They could actually investigate and interview but instead choose not to. Gee I wonder why.


Nobody died. Nobody ever dies. From anything (except vaccines). It was all actors.

It's interesting that none of you want to comment on anything substantive. I don't know if crisis actors were used. But if using crisis actors is a way to get people like you to deny other facts right in front of your face, then isn't that a smart move by TPTB?

Fact 1: The FBI had been informed prior to the bombing that both brothers were terror suspects, yet after the bombing made a public appeal to help identify pictures of the brothers and only after 4chan released photos of other suspects who had backpacks that more closely resembled the backpacks actually carrying the bombs.

Fact 2: One of the brothers was mentored by a former Gitmo interrogator.

Fact 3: CIA connections mentioned in the OP and talked about back in 2013.

Fact 4: The older brother made multiple trips to the terrorist infested region of Chechnya and was subsequently put on the radar of Russian intelligence who informed U.S. intelligence.

Oh but you can ignore all of those (and more) inconvenient facts even though they are totally documented by MSM sources because there's some difficult to prove, and possibly (probably?) false information out there too. It's called poisoning the well. Hillary Clinton should try that and get some crisis actors to cart off her email server so that the anti conspiracy crowd will come mindlessly to her defense.

Mach
03-16-2015, 01:43 PM
A better look at a video that was linked to above by JML.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkxfMIMNDDU

dillo
03-16-2015, 02:11 PM
Well if they are truly being framed, than there lawyers would have to be part of it as well right?

phill4paul
03-16-2015, 02:28 PM
Well if they are truly being framed, than there lawyers would have to be part of it as well right?

Defense liaryers convince their clients to plea all the time. Particularly in Federal cases. To them a plea is as good as a win. At this point it would seem they are just trying to keep him from receiving the death penalty.

http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2014/nov/20/why-innocent-people-plead-guilty/

Zippyjuan
03-16-2015, 02:32 PM
In this case, they started out with "yes, my client did it."

phill4paul
03-16-2015, 02:33 PM
In this case, they started out with "yes, my client did it."

Yes. And?

Zippyjuan
03-16-2015, 02:45 PM
So now the argument is over what the penalty should be. Millions of dollars will be spent and months of time taken up. And the penalty phase will cost more in addition to that. Your tax dollars at work.

phill4paul
03-16-2015, 02:56 PM
So now the argument is over what the penalty should be. Millions of dollars will be spent and months of time taken up. And the penalty phase will cost more in addition to that. Your tax dollars at work.

I never thought for an instant that the trial would be anything other than what you have described.

Mach
03-16-2015, 03:00 PM
So now the argument is over what the penalty should be. Millions of dollars will be spent and months of time taken up. And the penalty phase will cost more in addition to that. Your tax dollars at work.

They don't care about the money, if they did they wouldn't have outlined and "fed" all of the plots.

donnay
03-16-2015, 03:10 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaWCumjviWg

69360
03-16-2015, 03:30 PM
If you mean fraud like it involved more people, yes. If you mean fraud like it did happen, that is stupid. Which definition of fraud are you using?

So you are only a minor conspiracy theorist then? The major conspiracy theorists think the whole thing never happened.

I guess sorta nutty is better than full on crazy...

phill4paul
03-16-2015, 03:36 PM
So you are only a minor conspiracy theorist then? The major conspiracy theorists think the whole thing never happened.

I guess sorta nutty is better than full on crazy...

You don't believe that there was prior knowledge, by our government, of the oldest Tsaraev brother's radicalization?

donnay
03-16-2015, 03:46 PM
Flashback:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqmtMA25kW4

Zippyjuan
03-16-2015, 03:49 PM
You don't believe that there was prior knowledge, by our government, of the oldest Tsaraev brother's radicalization?

If the government did have knowledge of his "prior radicalization" what should have they done about it? Does that make the government duplicitous in the events if they knew he was a radical? Should we arrest everybody who might be a radical to save us from what they "might" do in the future? Should we track every person the government thinks might be a radical every minute of every day?

jmdrake
03-16-2015, 03:56 PM
Well if they are truly being framed, than there lawyers would have to be part of it as well right?

No. Your job as defense attorney isn't to get to the truth. It's to get your client off. If the strategy is to blame the older brother then that's your strategy. Also you are ignoring the possibility (likelihood actually) that he was set up as a patsy. Please consider this pattern:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9p1AnhDzWg

jmdrake
03-16-2015, 04:00 PM
If the government did have knowledge of his "prior radicalization" what should have they done about it? Does that make the government duplicitous in the events if they knew he was a radical? Should we arrest everybody who might be a radical to save us from what they "might" do in the future? Should we track every person the government thinks might be a radical every minute of every day?

If the CIA asks you to put him on a terrorist watch list then maybe you could. If the FSB tells you to watch him maybe you should. Maybe you don't let him fly back and forth to Chechnya.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/cia-pushed-to-add-boston-bomber-to-terror-watch-list/2013/04/24/cf02b43c-ad10-11e2-a8b9-2a63d75b5459_story.html
The CIA’s request came months after the FBI had closed a preliminary inquiry into Tsarnaev after getting a similar warning from Russian state security, according to officials who spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the matter.

The disclosure of the CIA’s involvement suggests that the U.S. government may have had more reason than it has previously acknowledged to scrutinize Tsarnaev in the months leading up to the bombing in Boston. It also raises questions why U.S. authorities didn’t flag his return to the United States and investigate him further after a seven-month trip he took to Russia last year.

phill4paul
03-16-2015, 04:09 PM
If the government did have knowledge of his "prior radicalization" what should have they done about it? Does that make the government duplicitous in the events if they knew he was a radical? Should we arrest everybody who might be a radical to save us from what they "might" do in the future? Should we track every person the government thinks might be a radical every minute of every day?


Kinda thought that this very thing was what the FBI is in the business of. From all appearances they suck at it on an epic scale. Now let's take that word you used. "Duplicitous." It means deceitful. Yes, our government is deceitful. Was it being deceitful during the run-up to the war in Iraq? Has it been deceitful in saying that bin Laden was the mastermind and played a major role in the Twin Towers attack?

NorthCarolinaLiberty
03-16-2015, 04:13 PM
There is no such thing as a "conspiracy theorist." The two nouns don't even go together. It's like say "tree theorist" or "magazine theorist."

phill4paul
03-16-2015, 04:15 PM
In this case, they started out with "yes, my client did it."

And just to clear things up for you so you have the facts straight...


BOSTON -- Boston Marathon bombing suspect Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, appearing disheveled and fidgety, pleaded not guilty Wednesday to 30 counts of using a weapon of mass destruction stemming from the Boston Marathon bombing.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/07/10/tsarnaev-boston-marathon-bombing-hearing/2504681/

Zippyjuan
03-16-2015, 04:21 PM
And for further clarity: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-31727243


Boston bombing trial: Tsarnaev lawyer admits his guilt

The trial of the man accused of bombing the Boston Marathon two years ago has begun, with his defence lawyer telling the jury he committed the crime.

"It was him," the lawyer said as she prepared to defend Dzhokhar Tsarnaev's actions by saying he had been influenced by his older brother.

Mr Tsarnaev, 21, could face the death penalty and is charged with more than 30 counts relating to the bombings.

It was the deadliest terror attack on US soil since 9/11.

Three people, including an eight-year-old boy, were killed after two pressure cooker bombs packed with nails, ball bearings and other shrapnel detonated in April 2013. More than 260 people were injured, with many losing limbs.

In 2013, Mr Tsarnaev pleaded not guilty to all charges, including one related to the killing of a police officer in the days after the bombing.

The admission marks the beginning of the defence team's strategy, which is to place blame for the bombings on the defendant's older brother Tamerlan, who was killed by police.

"The evidence will not establish and we will not argue that Tamerlan put a gun to Dzhokhar's head or that he forced him to join in the plan," Ms Clark told the court, "but you will hear evidence about the kind of influence that his older brother had."

More at link. Your article is from 2013. This is March 4th when the trial started.

jmdrake
03-16-2015, 04:24 PM
And for further clarity: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-31727243


More at link. Your article is from 2013. This is March 4th when the trial started.

1) It's called trial strategy. The job of a defense lawyer is not to get to get to the truth. It's to get your client off. This lawyer is trying the "blame the brother" strategy.

2) The thread title is "Evidence of a larger plot." You are aware that in the 1993 WTC bombing a government informant built the bomb that killed 7 people. The other people in the plot were patsies.

phill4paul
03-16-2015, 04:26 PM
And for further clarity: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-31727243



More at link. Your article is from 2013. This is March 4th when the trial started.

Proving my point regarding plea deals. Thank you.

Zippyjuan
03-16-2015, 04:36 PM
1) It's called trial strategy. The job of a defense lawyer is not to get to get to the truth. It's to get your client off. This lawyer is trying the "blame the brother" strategy.

2) The thread title is "Evidence of a larger plot." You are aware that in the 1993 WTC bombing a government informant built the bomb that killed 7 people. The other people in the plot were patsies.

"Not my fault" defense. I helped make and place those bombs which injured and killed people but it wasn't my fault. Don't blame me.

phill4paul
03-16-2015, 04:41 PM
"Not my fault" defense. I helped make and place those bombs which injured and killed people but it wasn't my fault. Don't blame me.

"Not my fault" defense. About the same as the "matters of national security" defense.

jmdrake
03-16-2015, 05:01 PM
"Not my fault" defense. I helped make and place those bombs which injured and killed people but it wasn't my fault. Don't blame me.

Stupid I agree. The defense attorneys are taking a calculated risk that they'll get more millage out of arguing against a dead brother than trying t argue facts that some jurors may dismiss as conspiracy theory. If the jury hates your client, even if there is strong evidence for reasonable doubt, the jury may still go against you. The defense attorneys are going for a strategy they hope will make their client seem more sympathetic. And even if it does't get him and outright acquittal it could garner sympathy in the penalty phase.

RonPaulMall
03-16-2015, 05:10 PM
The police have admitted that a woman was with the older brother when he bought 5 pressure cookers at Macy's in Boston. Who was she? The Skull and Bones legacy wife? Someone else? This fact alone points to others besides the brothers involved.

In what way? So some chick he knew was with him when he bought pressure cookers. So what? You have no evidence she knew what the pressure cookers were for. And even if she did have knowledge, that just proves awareness, not direct involvement.

dannno
03-16-2015, 05:56 PM
In what way? So some chick he knew was with him when he bought pressure cookers. So what? You have no evidence she knew what the pressure cookers were for. And even if she did have knowledge, that just proves awareness, not direct involvement.

The Boston Marathon Bomber bought 5 pressure cookers with the grand daughter of the founder of Skull and Bones in tow. Just coincidence. Also, ignore every other single piece of evidence. Those are your instructions. Good job, soldier.

James_Madison_Lives
03-16-2015, 06:00 PM
In what way? So some chick he knew was with him when he bought pressure cookers. So what? You have no evidence she knew what the pressure cookers were for. And even if she did have knowledge, that just proves awareness, not direct involvement.

Yea so what? A chick in Muslim garb and head cover, who might have been his wife whose grandfather was Skull and Bones. And you have no evidence she didn't know. Or is guilty until proven innocent only for Muslim males, not nice American white girls?

Zippyjuan
03-16-2015, 07:16 PM
The Boston Marathon Bomber bought 5 pressure cookers with the grand daughter of the founder of Skull and Bones in tow. Just coincidence. Also, ignore every other single piece of evidence. Those are your instructions. Good job, soldier.

Skull and Bones was founded in 1832. How old was this granddaughter of his? http://content.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1881172,00.html


As legend has it, Prescott S. Bush — the father of President George H.W. Bush and grandfather to President George W. Bush — dug up Geronimo's grave in 1918 with the help of several other "Bonesmen," as members of the society are known, and stole the warrior's skull, two bones and some riding gear from his grave at Fort Sill, Okla. The society allegedly put the remains on display at the "The Tomb," an imposing, windowless crypt in New Haven, Conn. that has served as the group's headquarters since its founding in 1832.


A young Yale junior named William Russell founded the group after spending a year in Germany among members of some of the most mystical and elite clubs in the world, including organizations that mimicked the Enlightenment-era Illuminati. Russell returned to the U.S. determined to found a secret society of his own and "tapped" Alfonso Taft, whose son would later become President William H. Taft, to be among the first members of "The Brotherhood of Death," or as it was more formally known, "The Order of the Skull and Bones." Members worshipped Eulogia, a fake goddess of eloquence, glorified pirates and reportedly hatched schemes of world domination at the "Tomb" — which is rumored to have a landing pad on the roof for the society's private helicopter.

The founder, William H. Russell, born 1809, died 1885. Had four kids. Frances Harriet Russell, Talcott Huntington Russell, Philip Gray Russell, and Edward Hubbard Russell If he was about 30 or 40 when he had kids, that is about 1840- 1850 or so. His grandchildren would likely have been born in the 1800's as well. If they are still alive, they would be well over 100 years old.

James_Madison_Lives
03-16-2015, 08:00 PM
Skull and Bones was founded in 1832. How old was this granddaughter of his? http://content.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1881172,00.html





The founder, William H. Russell, born 1809, died 1885. Had four kids. Frances Harriet Russell, Talcott Huntington Russell, Philip Gray Russell, and Edward Hubbard Russell If he was about 30 or 40 when he had kids, that is about 1840- 1850 or so. His grandchildren would likely have been born in the 1800's as well. If they are still alive, they would be well over 100 years old.

Whether the line traces back to the original founder of Skull and Bones is not known, but in that small club there is a good chance, which would mean hardcore.

Don't forget uncle Ruslan's father in law is GRAHAM FULLER, CIA dirty tricks master from Iran-Contra. Small world.

Zippyjuan
03-16-2015, 08:04 PM
Are you a member of all the clubs your Grandfather joined?

69360
03-16-2015, 08:23 PM
You don't believe that there was prior knowledge, by our government, of the oldest Tsaraev brother's radicalization?

Yes there was. Intelligence isn't 100% accurate. I doubt anyone knew he planned to bomb the marathon.

Our government probably has prior knowledge of your radicalization as well since you post here on RPF.

What should our government do about you?

jmdrake
03-16-2015, 08:33 PM
Yes there was. Intelligence isn't 100% accurate. I doubt anyone knew he planned to bomb the marathon.

Our government probably has prior knowledge of your radicalization as well since you post here on RPF.

What should our government do about you?

I sincerely doubt the FSB and CIA have contacted the FBI about putting P4P on the TWL.

Zippyjuan
03-16-2015, 08:35 PM
Lemme check my list. Nope- he's not on there. Couple other folks we have our eyes on though.

s/k

paleocon1
03-17-2015, 08:26 AM
Nobody died. Nobody ever dies. From anything (except vaccines). It was all actors.

In some cases, actors are the best explanation. Other times the killing of real mundanes fits the facts better.

paleocon1
03-17-2015, 08:31 AM
From the JFK patsy (Oswald) to these guys it is just amazing how much more traffic with known CIA/FBI there is compared to us ordinary mundanes.

69360
03-17-2015, 10:57 AM
I sincerely doubt the FSB and CIA have contacted the FBI about putting P4P on the TWL.

Don't kid yourself. We are all on a domestic terrorism watchlist just for posting here.

phill4paul
03-17-2015, 11:02 AM
Don't kid yourself. We are all on a domestic terrorism watchlist just for posting here.

Meh, it's probably for visiting the Weather Underground site for the latest weather forecast. Then again the government might think that I am just a good commie instead of a radical.

James_Madison_Lives
03-17-2015, 03:34 PM
Meh, it's probably for visiting the Weather Underground site for the latest weather forecast. Then again the government might think that I am just a good commie instead of a radical.

could this be Publius?

http://www.digitaljournal.com/news/world/op-ed-question-which-must-be-asked-in-tsarnaev-trial-were-they-alone/article/428439

69360
03-17-2015, 04:18 PM
Meh, it's probably for visiting the Weather Underground site for the latest weather forecast. Then again the government might think that I am just a good commie instead of a radical.

Funny you say that, the FBI used to come pound on our door when I was a kid looking for weather underground members. My father was a state chapter president of SDS, the group weather underground broke off from.

I turned out opposite of all those people.

James_Madison_Lives
03-20-2015, 12:48 PM
Funny you say that, the FBI used to come pound on our door when I was a kid looking for weather underground members. My father was a state chapter president of SDS, the group weather underground broke off from.

I turned out opposite of all those people.

So now it turns out Tamerlan widow Katherine Russell used the same computer and Dzhokhar sometimes, where all the jihadi materials were downloaded. Very interesting.

http://news.yahoo.com/prosecutors-blood-dna-show-bombers-active-role-054504000--spt.html;_ylt=AwrBJSBRagxVkQMAJH3QtDMD


"In fact, the thumb drives introduced Thursday contained material that appeared to have been put on them by other Tsarnaev family members, including a pay stub of his sister-in-law and a rental agreement in her name. Tsarnaev's thumb drive also contained homework by some of his college friends."