When Iran offered the perfect deal and Bush f'ed it up

[jmdrake]

All of the Republican pieces of filth who are going along with the Israeli prime minister piece of filth in saying that no deal with Iran is better than a bad deal need to be reminded of the deal that was offered through back channel by Iran to the U.S. back in 2003. Iran saw that we had a common enemy, the Sunni aligned Taliban and Al Qaeda, that the U.S. was stupid enough to think that "regime change" of a viable strategy for fixing the middle east and that WMDs weren't worth it. Iran turned down Pakistan's offer for help with developing nuclear weapons. Smart move because AQ Khan's network got busted. So Iran's leader at the time, moderate reformer Mohammed Khatami actually wanted improved relations. Iran sent through back channels to the Bush administration a "grand bargain" to improve relations. Read it here: http://www.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/opinion/20070429_iran-memo-expurgated.pdf Basically the moderates were rebuffed and humiliated, the hand of the radicals like Ahmadenijad was strengthened, and an opportunity for detente with Iran was missed. So the GOP can go suck and egg on this one. You had your change to get a great deal. You blew it because your real goal is regime change just like Tom Cotton said.

[acptulsa]

They didn't want peace.

If we wanted peace, we'd have it. It really is that simple.

[enhanced_deficit]

Iran gets no yearly welfare aid billions from US taxpayers, why there was or is even need for any "deal" between US and Iran?

Bush had zero interest in invading Iran having learnt from Iraq blunder. So much so he even went after top Israel lobby officials who tried to to steal Iran intel from Pentagon for Israel that led to the famous AIPAC Espioange Prosecution that Obama dropped quietly after getting in the WH. Likes of Joe Lieberman started crying for Iran war from 2005 but Bush was very anti Iran war, Iran war hysteria baby belongs to ddg's puppet masters/financiers. Bush's blunder was Iraqi freedom.

[UWDude]

Actually, Iran was the main backer of the Northern Alliance in Afghanistan during the Afghanistan Invasion. Remember the Northern Alliance, the one that helped push out the Taleban from most of Afghanistan, and win a quick "victory"?

Iran thought they had formed a new Alliance with the US, only to find themselves betrayed within months.

The US hasn't made an ally in decades. All the US knows how to do now is make enemies.

[jmdrake]

Iran gets no yearly welfare aid billions from US taxpayers, why there was or is even need for any "deal" between US and Iran?

Bush had zero interest in invading Iran having learnt from Iraq blunder. So much so he even went after top Israel lobby officials who tried to to steal Iran intel from Pentagon for Israel that led to the famous AIPAC Espioange Prosecution that Obama dropped quietly after getting in the WH. Likes of Joe Lieberman started crying for Iran war from 2005 but Bush was very anti Iran war, Iran war hysteria baby belongs to ddg's puppet masters/financiers. Bush's blunder was Iraqi freedom.

I had forgotten about the APIAC spying scandal. The corruption of that group knows no bounds.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/may/01/aipac-israel-lobby-lobbying-washington
The case has been further complicated by a scandal revealed last month by a political publication, Congressional Quarterly, around a member of Congress, Jane Harman, who was secretly taped telling an Israeli agent that she would pressure the justice department to reduce spying charges against the two former Aipac officials.

In return, the Israeli agent offered to get a wealthy donor who helps funds election campaigns for Nancy Pelosi, the then-minority leader in the House of Representatives, to pressure Pelosi to appoint Harman to a senior position on the congressional intelligence committee.

Aware of the sensitivity of the position she has put herself in, Harman finished the discussion with the Israeli spy by saying: "This conversation doesn't exist."

Congressional Quarterly obtained a transcript of the tape recorded by the National Security Agency. An FBI probe of Harman was dropped after the intervention of President Bush's attorney general, Alberto Gonzales.
Aipac has long wielded considerable influence over US policy in the Middle East though a mix of appeals to American sympathy for Israel and a hard-ball approach against members of congress who question the unyielding policies of Israeli governments.

[jmdrake]

Actually, Iran was the main backer of the Northern Alliance in Afghanistan during the Afghanistan Invasion. Remember the Northern Alliance, the one that helped push out the Taleban from most of Afghanistan, and win a quick "victory"?

Iran thought they had formed a new Alliance with the US, only to find themselves betrayed within months.

The US hasn't made an ally in decades. All the US knows how to do now is make enemies.

It's worse than that. The U.S. makes temporary allies that it sacrifices when needed. Saddam was an ally against Iran. Even after Saddam supposedly gassed the Kurds (the U.S. Army War College cleared him of that when Reagan was president), Donald Rumsfeld was sent to Iraq to personally assure Saddam that we were still friends. Khaddafi was praised by the Bush administration for coming clean on his WMD programs and giving up support for terrorism. Assad was an early ally in the war on terror and tortured Al Qaeda suspects at the request of the CIA. Two out of those three men are now dead thanks to their "ally."

[enhanced_deficit]

I had forgotten about the APIAC spying scandal. The corruption of that group knows no bounds.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/may/01/aipac-israel-lobby-lobbying-washington
The case has been further complicated by a scandal revealed last month by a political publication, Congressional Quarterly, around a member of Congress, Jane Harman, who was secretly taped telling an Israeli agent that she would pressure the justice department to reduce spying charges against the two former Aipac officials.

In return, the Israeli agent offered to get a wealthy donor who helps funds election campaigns for Nancy Pelosi, the then-minority leader in the House of Representatives, to pressure Pelosi to appoint Harman to a senior position on the congressional intelligence committee.

Aware of the sensitivity of the position she has put herself in, Harman finished the discussion with the Israeli spy by saying: "This conversation doesn't exist."

Congressional Quarterly obtained a transcript of the tape recorded by the National Security Agency. An FBI probe of Harman was dropped after the intervention of President Bush's attorney general, Alberto Gonzales.
Aipac has long wielded considerable influence over US policy in the Middle East though a mix of appeals to American sympathy for Israel and a hard-ball approach against members of congress who question the unyielding policies of Israeli governments.



This is same Jane Herman, rehabilitated from espionage scandal, standing behind current puppet Prez.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/imagecache/embedded_img_full/image/image_file/P100710PS-0178.jpg?itok=v8DZnXCJ


That shoud give some clue who is behind policies of current regime, including enhanced police stating at home , bloodbaths in Syria that has killed over 200,000 humans /created millions of refugees, violence in Ukraine, US funded destruction in Gaza/settlements expansion etc.

Jane Harman being considered to head CIA despite connection to Israel-AIPAC spy scandal (http://mycatbirdseat.com/2012/11/jane-harman-being-considered-to-head-cia-despite-connection-to-israel-aipac-spy-scandal/)

By Alison Weir -
Nov 13, 2012
http://i2.wp.com/mycatbirdseat.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/jane_harman-Homeland-security.jpg?w=640 (http://i2.wp.com/mycatbirdseat.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/jane_harman-Homeland-security.jpg?resize=635%2C457)

Editor's Note: Given the billionaires involved and AIPAC (and the committee she headed), it would make perfect sense, and the CIA could then issue ominous warnings about Iran…




Words of decorated former Marine and pastor Wright come to mind.
Pastor: Obama a puppet of bankers (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7plDxu-0rBA&feature=player_detailpage#t=171s)

[Zippyjuan]

Bush either never trusted Iran or never liked them. Iran offered to help find Osama Bin Laden. They offered help with the Afghan war. They offered 25 million barrels of oil after Hurricane Katrina knocked out a lot of our Gulf of Mexico production. All were rejected. Instead we sent military into countries on nearly all sides of Iran.

[enhanced_deficit]

Bush either never trusted Iran or never liked them. Iran offered to help find Osama Bin Laden. They offered help with the Afghan war. They offered 25 million barrels of oil after Hurricane Katrina knocked out a lot of our Gulf of Mexico production. All were rejected. Instead we sent military into countries on nearly all sides of Iran.

Did they offer help with Iraq war?
If yes, was that offer accepted or rejected by Bush?

BTW, minor correction, US sent militaries only one two sides of Iran, Iraq and Afghanistan. And Iraq regime's post freedom US supported leadership came out of Iran.

[enhanced_deficit]

Bush either never trusted Iran or never liked them. Iran offered to help find Osama Bin Laden. They offered help with the Afghan war. They offered 25 million barrels of oil after Hurricane Katrina knocked out a lot of our Gulf of Mexico production. All were rejected. Instead we sent military into countries on nearly all sides of Iran.

Did Iran offer help with Iraq war? If so, was that offer rejected or accepted by Bush?

Minor correction, US sent militaries only to two counteries bordering Iran,, for closer working relationship perhaps.
Iran was a quasi US ally in Iraq; almost all of Iraq's new "freedom" leadership that US helped install in Iraq post Saddam came from Iran and was trained by Iran's Supreme Council for Islamic Revolution in Iraq.

[Zippyjuan]

Did they offer help with Iraq war?
If yes, was that offer accepted or rejected by Bush?

BTW, minor correction, US sent militaries only one two sides of Iran, Iraq and Afghanistan. And Iraq regime's post freedom US supported leadership came out of Iran.

Map for more detail. We had or have forces in Turkey, Iraq, Aghanistan, and Paksitan as well as Saudi Arabia and the UAE. That covers most of their bordering countries. They were effectively surrounded.

https://www.google.com/maps/vt/data=U4aSnIyhBFNIJ3A8fCzUmaVIwyWq6RtIfB4QKiGq_w,Sx lAX6YVHVbCgxc0Cc-iiKLrtmwPqL2UYgsq0T-vPJs8mQtZAugm5vzMVuGTVAqHSD1F7OJg-73e-UripB0CL9qdmyQ56pLsNS1F6fzxo_JUT327GcDrneaqVCx8JpE J6lCpoUwd3_K_IdMmW4qxyqeUTzSCPiN5HAPZ2UBsRiIll64Qu g-Va9BXQ7fjRWilamzBortw3TYcWWN_YA

[enhanced_deficit]

Map for more detail. We had or have forces in Turkey, Iraq, Aghanistan, and Paksitan as well as Saudi Arabia and the UAE. That covers most of their bordering countries. They were effectively surrounded.




I see you have addressed the minor part of the post, but the main question remained untouched:


Did Iran offer help with Iraq war? If so, was that offer rejected or accepted by Bush?

Minor correction, US sent militaries only to two counteries bordering Iran,, for closer working relationship perhaps.
Iran was a quasi US ally in Iraq; almost all of Iraq's new "freedom" leadership that US helped install in Iraq post Saddam came from Iran and was trained by Iran's Supreme Council for Islamic Revolution in Iraq.

[Zippyjuan]

I am not aware of any such offer to help against Sadam in the Iraq war but they are helping the Iraqi forces fighting ISIS in Takrit. http://www.cbsnews.com/news/iraq-iran-backed-shiite-forces-claim-advance-into-tikrit-against-isis/

But Iran has offered to work with and help the US in other situations in the past and were rebuffed.

[enhanced_deficit]

I am not aware of any such offer to help against Sadam in the Iraq war but they are helping the Iraqi forces fighting ISIS in Takrit. http://www.cbsnews.com/news/iraq-iran-backed-shiite-forces-claim-advance-into-tikrit-against-isis/

But Iran has offered to work with and help the US in other situations in the past and were rebuffed.

Follow up Qs.
1- Which side is US taking now in Iraq in the ongoing fight between Iran-Iraq alliance and ISIS?

2-Did/do you know that top leadership that US helped install in Iraq post Saddam had come from Iran and was trained by Iran's Islamic Revolution Supreme Council?

[Zippyjuan]

The US welcomes help against ISIS but is careful not to show any support for Iran's efforts against a common enemy.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/04/world/middleeast/iran-airstrikes-hit-islamic-state-in-iraq.html?_r=0


U.S. and Iran Both Attack ISIS, but Try Not to Look Like Allies

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The apparent shift in Iran’s strategy has been most noticeable in Iraq, where even American officials acknowledge the decisive role of Iranian-backed militias, particularly in protecting Baghdad from an assault by the Islamic State, also known as ISIS or ISIL, but also working with the American-led air campaign.

While Iran’s increasingly public military role has proved essential in repelling the advances of the Islamic State, American officials worry that it could ultimately destabilize Iraq by deepening sectarian divisions. Iraq’s Sunnis blame the Iranian-backed Shiite militias for sectarian abuses, and are reluctant to join in the fight against extremists because of Iran’s influence.

Admiral Kirby said: “Our message to Iran is the same today as it was when it started, and as it is to any neighbor in the region that is involved in the anti-ISIL activities. And that’s that we want nothing to be done that further inflames sectarian tensions in the country.”

More at link.