Nearly All Seniors Believe that they don't Receive Government Subsidies in their Healthcare

[AuH20]

I guess they lived a majority of their lives before the internet, so it does make sense how they don't have a clue what has happened. The country has been heavily socialist for more than 100 years.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/if-you-want-to-know-who-gets-health-care-handouts-look-in-the-mirror/2015/02/26/53e2de84-bdf9-11e4-bdfa-b8e8f594e6ee_story.html


In that same YouGov/Economist poll, respondents were asked whether they personally receive a government subsidy to help them pay for health insurance. The overwhelming majority — 85 percent — said no. The age group most likely to say this? Again, those over age 65, 93 percent of whom insisted they do not receive any such subsidies.

This is astounding, given that the lion’s share of people in this cohort receive Medicare. Despite all the mockery that oblivious cries of “Keep your government hands off my Medicare!” generated several years ago, older Americans still don’t seem to understand that Medicare is not only the government’s largest health-care program but also one that involves transferring lots of money away from everyone else and toward them — i.e., a subsidy.

[kcchiefs6465]

A lot feel that they are entitled to the money that they paid in, no doubt.

They don't consider it a subsidy because they've been robbed most of their life to pay into a bankrupt system.

ETA: Not that they largely will not vote to take property from another group in the hopes it will somehow benefit them.

[The Free Hornet]

And are they even primary beneficiaries even if they paid zero SSN taxes? Arguably, they don't need $500 aspirin or a $5000/night hotel room. "Insurance" is code for somebody else getting their palm greased.

[oyarde]

Well , if I was using medicare , I would never live long enough to get back what I pd in ,probably even by age 45. I imagine . So , I guess this is the thought process here.....

[AuH20]

I wish I could go back in time to 1965 and replace Lyndon B. Johnson with a doppelganger under my control.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a0/Lyndon_Johnson_signing_Medicare_bill,_with_Harry_T ruman,_July_30,_1965.jpg

[AuH20]

I really do miss Ron Paul on these issues:

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/12/ron-paul-attacked-for-views-on-health-care/

[paleocon1]

Soooooo, the question is- how to unwind this scheme for social control while further harming the more or less innocent (even if only thru ignorance) 95% of the population as little as possible.

[AuH20]

Soooooo, the question is- how to unwind this scheme for social control while further harming the more or less innocent (even if only thru ignorance) 95% of the population as little as possible.

I don't think you realistically can. Remember the facehugger from the Aliens films? If you tried to remove the facehugger parasite it would kill the host. That's where we are politically. Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid are basically sacrosanct to a large plurality of the population.

[Acala]

Soooooo, the question is- how to unwind this scheme for social control while further harming the more or less innocent (even if only thru ignorance) 95% of the population as little as possible.

If you immediately turned off the war machine and mothballed everything not needed for defending the borders and a nuclear deterrent, and you eliminated every unconstitutional alphabet agency, and you told the Federal reserve to ram its debt, and you dumped everyone off SS and medicare that was not demonstrably dependant on it, THEN you could probably sell off all government land except that which is underneath necessary buildings, and with the proceeds from that sale pay off the remaining debt and buy annuities for the SS and medicare dependent and be done with it. Ain't gonna happen.

[kcchiefs6465]

If you immediately turned off the war machine and mothballed everything not needed for defending the borders and a nuclear deterrent, and you eliminated every unconstitutional alphabet agency, and you told the Federal reserve to ram its debt, and you dumped everyone off SS and medicare that was not demonstrably dependant on it, THEN you could probably sell off all government land except that which is underneath necessary buildings, and with the proceeds from that sale pay off the remaining debt and buy annuities for the SS and medicare dependent and be done with it. Ain't gonna happen.
I think I could live with that.

[Brian4Liberty]

I'm no expert on Medicare, but my understanding was that they force everyone over a certain age to go on Medicare, and they have to keep paying their monthly premiums.

[oyarde]

I think I could live with that.

Myself as well .About the way I see it .

[The Free Hornet]

If you immediately turned off the war machine and mothballed everything not needed for defending the borders and a nuclear deterrent, and you eliminated every unconstitutional alphabet agency, and you told the Federal reserve to ram its debt, and you dumped everyone off SS and medicare that was not demonstrably dependant on it, THEN you could probably sell off all government land except that which is underneath necessary buildings, and with the proceeds from that sale pay off the remaining debt and buy annuities for the SS and medicare dependent and be done with it. Ain't gonna happen.

That's a blueprint to pay for a scam. I think we need medical freedom, the freedom to practice (end state monopolies on licensing). Remove the red tape or at least the need to be beholden to it. www.ij.org has a history of attacking restrictive licensing in court. It may not require congress, just a few brave souls.

[cindy25]

I'm no expert on Medicare, but my understanding was that they force everyone over a certain age to go on Medicare, and they have to keep paying their monthly premiums.

the monthly premiums are voluntary, but medicare is heavily subsidized. the payroll taxes only cover 1/4 of the cost

[paleocon1]

the monthly premiums are voluntary, but medicare is heavily subsidized. the payroll taxes only cover 1/4 of the cost

BUT..........the folks currently going on Medicare have paid the tax for 40 years for a 'benefit' they will use for maybe 10 years and still paying hefty premiums.

[Stratovarious]

If you immediately turned off the war machine and mothballed everything not needed for defending the borders and a nuclear deterrent, and you eliminated every unconstitutional alphabet agency, and you told the Federal reserve to ram its debt, and you dumped everyone off SS and medicare that was not demonstrably dependant on it, THEN you could probably sell off all government land except that which is underneath necessary buildings, and with the proceeds from that sale pay off the remaining debt and buy annuities for the SS and medicare dependent and be done with it. Ain't gonna happen.

De-fund Welfare , send back 20 million illegals, (Impeach Obama, more debt added under his watch than previous 43 Presidencies) Bring back Troops.

[tod evans]

De-fund Welfare , send back 20 million illegals, (Impeach Obama, more debt added under his watch than previous 43 Presidencies) Bring back Troops.

I'm no fan of dear reader but the debt started snowballing years ago and I don't see impeachment or voting as a cure.

Sound money would be the only lasting solution.

[Stratovarious]

I'm no fan of dear reader but the debt started snowballing years ago and I don't see impeachment or voting as a cure.

Sound money would be the only lasting solution.
It's not practical no, not at this point, it would be a distraction, just venting.
Both parties schmoozed our Muslim Traitor the whole way through, oferring up HUGE OBJECTIONS, and quietly passing everything through, like good little new world order minions.

[Acala]

That's a blueprint to pay for a scam. I think we need medical freedom, the freedom to practice (end state monopolies on licensing). Remove the red tape or at least the need to be beholden to it. www.ij.org has a history of attacking restrictive licensing in court. It may not require congress, just a few brave souls.

I agree totally that the cure for broken healthcare is to get government out of it in every way at every level. And your point is well-taken that the future cost of medicare would be a fraction of what it is now projected to be if we had a free market in health care.

[Acala]

De-fund Welfare , send back 20 million illegals, (Impeach Obama, more debt added under his watch than previous 43 Presidencies) Bring back Troops.

If you get rid of the government give aways, why bother deporting illegals?