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Keith and stuff
03-05-2015, 05:23 PM
New Hampshire liberty activists like Katherine Albrecht, the New Hampshire Liberty Alliance, the New Hampshire Libertarian Party, and the New Hampshire Constitution Party started the national anti-REAL ID movement. The movement is still going strong, even this week in New Hampshire :)

March 4, 2015 8:50AM
New Hampshire Ends Brief Flirtation with National ID Compliance
By Jim Harper
http://www.cato.org/blog/new-hampshire-ends-brief-flirtation-national-id-compliance


The hook REAL ID uses in seeking to dragoon states into compliance is the threat that TSA agents will refuse IDs from non-complying states at our nation’s airports. The threat is an empty one. Consistently over years, every time a DHS-created compliance deadline has come around, state leaders with spines have backed the Department of Homeland Security down. I detailed the years-long saga of pushed-back deadlines last year in the Cato Policy Analysis, “REAL ID: A State-by-State Update.”

DHS has stopped publishing deadline changes in the Federal Register–perhaps the endless retreats were getting embarrassing–and now it has simply said on its website that TSA enforcement will begin sometime in 2016. But it’s evidently back-channeling threats to state officials. Those folks–unaware that REAL ID doesn’t work, and disinterested in the allocation of state and federal power–are lobbying their state legislatures to get on board with the national ID program.

New Hampshire is one state where this has occurred. Worries about New Hampshirites ability to travel by air recently caused the Department of Public Safety (which houses New Hampshire’ motor vehicle bureau) to seek legislation that would move the state toward REAL ID compliance.

New Hampshire is special because it’s where the first volley in the REAL ID rebellion was thrown (http://www.churchfreedom.info/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=44:the-real-id-rebellion&catid=26&Itemid=144). In 2006, after a bill to reject REAL ID got a head of steam in New Hampshire, states across the country rejected the national ID law.

In testimony I delivered to the New Hampshire Senate Transportation Committee yesterday, I detailed this history, telling the story of how DHS has repeatedly backed off its threat to inconvenience travelers when states have rejected this unfunded federal surveillance mandate. The circumstances today are unchanged: If the TSA starts refusing IDs, the TSA, the DHS, and their supporters in Congress will take the blame. The DHS knows this, which is why they always back down before push comes to shove. States should have no fear of TSA interfering with their residents’ travels because of REAL ID.

Rejecting REAL ID is good security, too. If the nation were to spend billions of dollars on REAL ID compliance, undercutting all our privacy and autonomy a little more by putting us into a national identity system, we’d get nothing remotely comparable in security gains. Proponents of this national ID program have never shown how it would provide cost-effective security.

My testimony may have helped. The strong presence of the New Hampshire Liberty Alliance (http://www.nhliberty.org/) showed the committee that this was not a business-as-usual bill. And I think really excellent, persuasive testimony from New Hampshire Civil Liberties Union Executive Director Devon Chafee carried the day. The committee voted unanimously to reject the REAL ID compliance bill. Once they knew that the DHS is brandishing empty threats to inconvenience travelers at TSA checkpoints, they ended their state’s brief flirtation with REAL ID compliance.

This is information legislators across the country need. A number of states could emulate New Hampshire’s rejection of REAL ID. There are still many places where legislators labor under the impression that REAL ID imposes obligations on them, including South Dakota, California , New Mexico , Hawaii , Idaho, Oklahoma , Arizona , Rhode Island , Illinois, Iowa, New York, and Florida.

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Anti Federalist
03-05-2015, 05:49 PM
Good!

Keith and stuff
03-05-2015, 06:17 PM
Here is the historic speech that helped start the anti-RealID revolution.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZQSYjpk73w

donnay
03-05-2015, 06:22 PM
God Bless the Liberty activists!

Stratovarious
03-05-2015, 06:27 PM
Here is the historic speech that helped started the anti-RealID revolution.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZQSYjpk73w

Great speech and quotes.....

69360
03-05-2015, 07:01 PM
Good. We do not have real ID here in Maine either and no sign we ever will. There is bipartisan opposition to it here.

Noob
03-06-2015, 04:41 AM
It looks like Idaho just voted to accept Real ID .

puppetmaster
03-06-2015, 04:48 AM
Nevada has it as an option for now.

Noob
03-06-2015, 05:03 AM
It looks like the Legislature just don't want to be blame for people in Idaho not being able to fly on airliners.


Capitol Hill experts are warning us that lawmakers are considering a massive DANGEROUS ID database scheme -- under the guise of "reforming" immigration through the E-Verify program.

http://www.nagr.org/2015/stopeverify.aspx?pid=1b

idiom
03-06-2015, 11:32 PM
How do you people travel overseas?

Do you all just stay in the one country you entire lives?

fr33
03-06-2015, 11:50 PM
Do you all just stay in the one country you entire lives?
Most of us do.

Stratovarious
03-07-2015, 05:53 AM
It looks like the Legislature just don't want to be blame for people in Idaho not being able to fly on airliners.



http://www.nagr.org/2015/stopeverify.aspx?pid=1b


I'm not familiar with this organization, I will definetly sign if this is not some hidden agenda group.
Is this similar to NRA ?

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Noob
03-07-2015, 05:58 AM
I'm not familiar with this organization, I will definetly sign if this is not some hidden agenda group.
Is this similar to NRA ?

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Kind of like Gun Owners of America.

Stratovarious
03-07-2015, 06:08 AM
How do you people travel overseas?

Do you all just stay in the one country you entire lives?

We've been using passports for a couple hundred years, those that go overseas.
I have zero desire to visit overseas. America is not like the middle east or europe with countries the size of Counties, we hava lots to see here.

Stratovarious
03-07-2015, 06:15 AM
Kind of like Gun Owners of America.

I see, I didn't realize there are so many , probably a good thing, just found this while looking for GOA:
"Gun Owners of America (GOA) is a gun rights organization in the United States (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/wiki/United_States) with over 300,000 members.[1] (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/#cite_note-pratt2011-1) It makes efforts to differentiate itself from the larger National Rifle Association (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/wiki/National_Rifle_Association) (NRA), and has publicly criticized the NRA on multiple occasions for allegedly compromising on gun rights issues and thereby selling out (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/wiki/Sell_out) the gun rights movement." WIKI

I was a member years back , but do remember hearing complaints on occasion that NRA wasn't standing firm enough on issues.

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Stratovarious
03-07-2015, 06:16 AM
Signed.

69360
03-07-2015, 09:46 AM
How do you people travel overseas?

Do you all just stay in the one country you entire lives?

Before all this homeland security crap I went to Canada a few times. Drove up to the border. Was asked why I was coming to Canada. Pointed at the race car on the trailer behind me. Good luck have good trip. No papers shown.

Went to the Bahamas once as a kid. We got on the plane and flew there. No papers shown.

Mach
03-07-2015, 03:55 PM
State Updates as of May 2014.....

http://object.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/pubs/pdf/pa749_web_1.pdf

idiom
03-07-2015, 06:53 PM
Before all this homeland security crap I went to Canada a few times. Drove up to the border. Was asked why I was coming to Canada. Pointed at the race car on the trailer behind me. Good luck have good trip. No papers shown.

Went to the Bahamas once as a kid. We got on the plane and flew there. No papers shown.

I have also crossed the America border twice with no passport. Although at El Paso.

You wonder why you have an immigration problem.


We've been using passports for a couple hundred years, those that go overseas.
I have zero desire to visit overseas. America is not like the middle east or europe with countries the size of Counties, we hava lots to see here.

And this basically sums up a huge amount of what is wrong with American culture and mindset. Here, everyone I know goes on a world tour for a year either before or after college.

If fewer Americans thought that America was the be all and end all of the human experience it would be a much happier planet.

Keeping you within your own borders, educating you to think that there is nothing worth visiting outside of America is a huge part of the states system of control.

"I don't have a national ID, I'm not controlled" You don't need to be controlled because they have you keeping yourself hemmed in.

Anti Federalist
03-07-2015, 08:48 PM
NH and ME will crimp and fold once Boobus starts wailing about how they can't get on a plane anymore.

Anti Federalist
03-07-2015, 08:51 PM
Apple and bowling balls.

Not wanting an internal Geheime Staatspolizei and not traveling abroad are two different issues.

Besides, we don't live on an island chain smaller than the state of California.

I'd go nuts too, if I didn't travel from there.

I've been around the world, twice, travel thousands of miles just to go to work, and if I had my way, I'd crawl into the hills of NH and never come out.



I have also crossed the America border twice with no passport. Although at El Paso.

You wonder why you have an immigration problem.



And this basically sums up a huge amount of what is wrong with American culture and mindset. Here, everyone I know goes on a world tour for a year either before or after college.

If fewer Americans thought that America was the be all and end all of the human experience it would be a much happier planet.

Keeping you within your own borders, educating you to think that there is nothing worth visiting outside of America is a huge part of the states system of control.

"I don't have a national ID, I'm not controlled" You don't need to be controlled because they have you keeping yourself hemmed in.

idiom
03-08-2015, 12:02 AM
Apple and bowling balls.

Not wanting an internal Geheime Staatspolizei and not traveling abroad are two different issues.

Besides, we don't live on an island chain smaller than the state of California.

I'd go nuts too, if I didn't travel from there.

I've been around the world, twice, travel thousands of miles just to go to work, and if I had my way, I'd crawl into the hills of NH and never come out.

You are making the choice after looking at the options. Its those that declare a priori that the world has nothing to offer that get Americans their reputation for willful ignorance.

An ID card isn't the center piece of a police state. Any 10 items you purchase are enough to identify an individual.

If anything a trusted ID makes it easier to ghost through because the trusted ID won't be questions.

Just look at the Apple Stores getting ripped off by Apple Pay. The stolen credit cards would never have verified if Apple Pay wasn't the middle man and supposedly secure.