Ed Snowden wants to return to the US.

[Anti Federalist]

Don't fucking do it Ed, unless you want to live the rest of your life in prison for some strange reason.


Lawyer: NSA Leaker Edward Snowden Wants to Return Home


http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/lawyer-nsa-leaker-edward-snowden-return-home-29361942

MOSCOW — Mar 3, 2015, 3:47 PM ET
Associated Press

NSA systems analyst Edward Snowden wants to return to the United States from Russia if he's guaranteed a fair trial, his Russian lawyer said Tuesday.

Anatoly Kucherena told a news conference Tuesday that he has teamed up with U.S. and German lawyers to work on the issue, but gave no further details.

Snowden was stranded in a Moscow airport in 2013 on his way from Hong Kong to Cuba, shortly after he released extensive documentation about the National Security Agency's surveillance programs. Russia has granted him asylum, attracting the ire of the United States.

Russian President Vladimir Putin has denied that the nation's security agencies had worked with Snowden.

Snowden's whereabouts have not been made public. Kucherena said Snowden moves freely but is accompanied by guards. "He goes shopping, he visits museums and theaters under escort," he said.

He said Snowden's longtime girlfriend, Lindsay Mills, visited him in Moscow. "They have a very good relationship," he said, adding that he rejects other potential dates offered for Snowden.

The lawyer, who presented his book about Snowden, praised him as a "heroic and open person," who has "principles and convictions" and didn't hesitate to defy the U.S. government.

[The Gold Standard]

If that wouldn't be the dumbest possible thing he could do. Boobus would be chanting for their gods in blue to string him up in public, no need for a trial.

[tangent4ronpaul]

Ed is being an IDIOT!

Or wants more press coverage...

[Danke]

Well if he's guaranteed a fair trial...

[tangent4ronpaul]

Well if he's guaranteed a fair trial...

Someone bring a gavel.

String up the lynchin stand right after the boarding entrance.

[fisharmor]

Well if he's guaranteed a fair trial...

This thread is a testament to the uselessness of constitutionalism.

(He already IS guaranteed a fair trial.)

[kcchiefs6465]

He is not even allowed to raise a defense as to why he did it (to prevent criminality or otherwise). Four-fifths, if not the entirety, of the 'trial' would be classified under state secrecy. The lawyers probably wouldn't even be allowed to talk about much of anything to press or even their significant other.

Then he will be convicted in a sham of trial and put in the basement of Leavenworth for a few decades. This isn't even really debatable as to the outcome of this. If they try him per document he'd never get out. And all they have to prove is that he took them.

Maybe one day he could come back with a hero's welcome but until that day, here's hoping he's drinking the finest vodka and if he's reading this thread, never come back.

[phill4paul]

Well if he's guaranteed a fair trial...

http://anonhq.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/kangaroo-court-1.jpg

[CPUd]

If they try it in the FISA court, they would appoint a lawyer who couldn't even talk to Ed or his other lawyer about his own defense.

[RonPaulMall]

Snowden has been saying this from the very start. This isn't new information his lawyer is revealing.

[Anti Federalist]

Snowden has been saying this from the very start. This isn't new information his lawyer is revealing.

Might be because the lawyer is promoting a new book.

Or, maybe he just said it again.

[jmdrake]

If he does we'll never hear from him again except for getting random rants that he wants to be named "Chelsea."

[presence]

Perhaps his point it to display the myriad ways in which he will not be guaranteed a fair trial.

He is an activist afterall.

[Anti Federalist]

If he does we'll never hear from him again except for getting random rants that he wants to be named "Chelsea."

That made me LOL

[DamianTV]

Something seems like it is out of context.

I also want to return to the US, not as it is today, but as it once was when people were free of Tyranny and Terror created by the Government.

[Barrex]

Hm... Time frame? If preparations for his return are being made right now few months would pass before he returns. Then it would pass few more months before trial starts. Who knows how many months would pass till verdict is made. If he returns it would get a lot of media attention. With a little luck media attention would help Rand to get elected and he could ensure fair trial...

[surf]

Holder has apparently offered to take the death penalty off the table. Snowden will stand trial if the charges are not espionage act crimes.

guy's a f#cking hero.

- edit: "guy" referenced above is not Eric Holder. Holder's a miserable douche.

[The Gold Standard]

Holder has apparently offered to take the death penalty off the table.

How generous of him.

[Anti Federalist]

Holder has apparently offered to take the death penalty off the table. Snowden will stand trial if the charges are not espionage act crimes.

guy's a f#cking hero.

- edit: "guy" referenced above is not Eric Holder. Holder's a miserable douche.

Ed's an idiot if he takes them at theire word on this.

The new guy under Team Red will look to have him fry.

And Boobus will cheer.

[Mani]

I think his lawyer is trying to paint Ed as a guy that still loves good 'ole USA.

Saying he wants to come back is showing that he loves the country and he's not a Russia commie loving traitor bastard. The way the some are portraying him.


The fact that he's stayed with his American GF, and has rejected dates with Russian girls, sounds silly to me, until I realize it's part of the whole, "Hey, I love America. I love American women! I love my country! I'm USA through and through! I'm ready to come back if I can get a fair trial!"


I think it's more a PR/Image thing.

[AuH20]

I think his lawyer is trying to paint Ed as a guy that still loves good 'ole USA.

Saying he wants to come back is showing that he loves the country and he's not a Russia commie loving traitor bastard. The way the some are portraying him.


The fact that he's stayed with his American GF, and has rejected dates with Russian girls, sounds silly to me, until I realize it's part of the whole, "Hey, I love America. I love American women! I love my country! I'm USA through and through! I'm ready to come back if I can get a fair trial!"


I think it's more a PR/Image thing.

Of course, he does. Who else would stick their neck out in such a fashion? A lover of his country. That's who.

[Mani]

Of course, he does. Who else would stick their neck out in such a fashion? A lover of his country. That's who.

That goes without saying, but there has been a lot of backlash of people calling him a sellout to Putin, a commie bastard (even though russia is not communist), etc.

He need to be seen not as a traitor or Russia lover, but as a patriot. Not just in our eyes, but in the eyes of the public.

[The Gold Standard]

He need to be seen not as a traitor or Russia lover, but as a patriot. Not just in our eyes, but in the eyes of the public.

You are dramatically overestimating "the public". If their TV told them to, they would fly to Russia and bring back Snowden's head on a plate. Anything that pleases their masters, pleases Boobus.

[Zippyjuan]

May, 2014: http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/05/29/edward-snowden-says-he-would-like-to-return-home-but-not-to-a-jail-cell/


Edward Snowden: ‘I’d like to go home’

Edward J. Snowden, in an hour-long television interview broadcast Wednesday night, portrayed himself as a “patriot” who broke the law in an act of “civil disobedience” directed at “massive” constitutional violations by the U.S. government.

While Snowden said he would love to return to the United States from Russia, where he sought and obtained asylum last summer after leaking thousands of documents detailing the extent of the National Security Agency’s sprawling surveillance program, he said he did not want to “walk into a jail cell.”

That, he said, would serve as a “bad example for other people in government who see something happening, some violation of the Constitution, and think they need to say something about it.”

[The Gold Standard]

I would vote for the fucking guy for president. But he is dead as soon as he is within range of a CIA weapon.

[Mani]

You are dramatically overestimating "the public". If their TV told them to, they would fly to Russia and bring back Snowden's head on a plate. Anything that pleases their masters, pleases Boobus.

You do have a point. :(

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

Gamesmanship. He ain't comin' back here.

[Christian Liberty]

This thread is a testament to the uselessness of constitutionalism.

(He already IS guaranteed a fair trial.)

Surprise: Pieces of paper don't magically guarantee compliance with what is written on them. Pieces of paper can be ignored if people want to ignore them. They do that with the Bible and the Bible was breathed by God Himself. Does it surprise you that they'd do it with the constitution?

[AngryCanadian]

If he does come back. Just wait till he does then all the bad news about Russia would be over, this is a trap to get him.

[The Free Hornet]

My guess, TPTB do not want a trial and don't want a martyr or a political prisoner. Call their bluff, Ed! Is there a kickstarter for his legal defense fund? I've never kickstarted even a motorbike but I'd jump on this.

[Czolgosz]

Don't fucking do it Ed, unless you want to live the rest of your life in prison for some strange reason.



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[Mani]

Surprise: Pieces of paper don't magically guarantee compliance with what is written on them. Pieces of paper can be ignored if people want to ignore them. They do that with the Bible and the Bible was breathed by God Himself. Does it surprise you that they'd do it with the constitution?


This is what our leaders think of our beloved constitution:

http://www.chillinpanda.com/media/16-things-you-are-probably-doing-when-trying-to-avoid-adulthood/when-you-get-invited-to-a-friends-wedding-or-a-baby-shower-you-rip-up-the-invitation.jpg


We are just peasants, and the constitution is just a piece of paper...

[muh_roads]

"A jury of your peers" involves people that were too dumb to get out of jury duty.

Stay in Russia, Edward.

[NoOneButPaul]

I have no idea why he would be so stupid...

Consider the following Ed...

http://anonhq.com/cia-whistleblower-faces-100-years-in-jail-why-isnt-the-president-protecting-him/

When the US president Barack Obama signed the Whistleblower Protection Enhancement Act into law on November 27, 2012, he was applauded for strengthening and expanding already existing protections for whistleblowers. Presidential Policy Directive 19 extended whistleblower protections to national security and intelligence employees. However, despite his promise to protect whistleblowers from prosecution and wrongful imprisonment, he has had a bad track record in putting his words and the law into practice.

Of some 2,900 cases involving the government in the year 2013, at least 1,400 had something to do with retaliation against whistleblowers. Even 47 of Obama’s own 73 inspectors general wrote to Congress complaining about his administration’s refusal to be transparent and open.

The White House is doing more than any other administration ever to block the very transparency Obama promised – eight whistleblowers have been prosecuted under Obama, more than under all other presidents combined. He has sentenced whistleblowers to 10 times (526 months of prison time for national security leakers) the jail time of all previous US presidents combined.

The latest example is of Jeffrey Sterling.

Former CIA case officer Jeffrey Sterling, a national security whistleblower, faces 100 years in prison and a fine of up to $2.25 million for leaking information about Operation Merlin, a CIA mission to supply Iran with flawed blueprints for its nuclear program, to New York Times journalist James Risen. The government couldn’t prove Sterling’s guilt as James never named his source and there was no evidence of recorded phone conversations or captured email exchanges between him and Risen. Still, he was found guilty of nine counts of violating the Espionage Act meant to penalize spies.

Jeffrey Sterling didn’t hurt anyone, he didn’t commit any crime that violates federal laws, he was convicted without evidence, and he is being punished for ‘apparently leaking’ the truth everyone is entitled to know. He is innocent. Will you protect him Mr President? Are you for whistleblowers or against? We need to know…

[AuH20]

I have no idea why he would be so stupid...

Consider the following Ed...

http://anonhq.com/cia-whistleblower-faces-100-years-in-jail-why-isnt-the-president-protecting-him/

When the US president Barack Obama signed the Whistleblower Protection Enhancement Act into law on November 27, 2012, he was applauded for strengthening and expanding already existing protections for whistleblowers. Presidential Policy Directive 19 extended whistleblower protections to national security and intelligence employees. However, despite his promise to protect whistleblowers from prosecution and wrongful imprisonment, he has had a bad track record in putting his words and the law into practice.

Of some 2,900 cases involving the government in the year 2013, at least 1,400 had something to do with retaliation against whistleblowers. Even 47 of Obama’s own 73 inspectors general wrote to Congress complaining about his administration’s refusal to be transparent and open.

The White House is doing more than any other administration ever to block the very transparency Obama promised – eight whistleblowers have been prosecuted under Obama, more than under all other presidents combined. He has sentenced whistleblowers to 10 times (526 months of prison time for national security leakers) the jail time of all previous US presidents combined.

The latest example is of Jeffrey Sterling.

Former CIA case officer Jeffrey Sterling, a national security whistleblower, faces 100 years in prison and a fine of up to $2.25 million for leaking information about Operation Merlin, a CIA mission to supply Iran with flawed blueprints for its nuclear program, to New York Times journalist James Risen. The government couldn’t prove Sterling’s guilt as James never named his source and there was no evidence of recorded phone conversations or captured email exchanges between him and Risen. Still, he was found guilty of nine counts of violating the Espionage Act meant to penalize spies.

Jeffrey Sterling didn’t hurt anyone, he didn’t commit any crime that violates federal laws, he was convicted without evidence, and he is being punished for ‘apparently leaking’ the truth everyone is entitled to know. He is innocent. Will you protect him Mr President? Are you for whistleblowers or against? We need to know…

Woodrow Wilson still tortures us from the grave!!!

[pcosmar]

Fair Trial??

No such thing anymore.

Don't even think of coming back Ed. (beyond any wishful fantasy that is quickly dismissed as such)

Not unless all charges are dropped and you return to be rewarded with some honor for your service. (another wishful fantasy)

[surf]

on a side note, I noticed on the Faux "news" ticker that they refer to his lawyer as having "Kremlin ties"

pathetic

[jllundqu]

Move to a place where you can be free of the BS we have here, Ed. The (former) United States is not worthy of your sacrifice. Keep dropping truth bombs and don't ever think about turning back. You of all people know what would happen to you once the US Gov got it's filthy hands on you. Fair trial my ass.

[Marenco]

If he thinks he's gonna get a good & fair trial in this Plutocracy that we have, he's got another coming.

[tod evans]

Anatoly Kucherena told a news conference Tuesday that he has teamed up with U.S. and German lawyers

This is a problem, RUN!

[EBounding]

Greenwald:THE “SNOWDEN IS READY TO COME HOME!” STORY: A CASE STUDY IN TYPICAL MEDIA DECEIT (https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/03/04/snowden-wants-come-home-stories-case-study-media-deceit/)

[ChristianAnarchist]

Greenwald:THE “SNOWDEN IS READY TO COME HOME!” STORY: A CASE STUDY IN TYPICAL MEDIA DECEIT (https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/03/04/snowden-wants-come-home-stories-case-study-media-deceit/)

Ya, it's all typical of media misinformation.

[Anti Federalist]

Greenwald:THE “SNOWDEN IS READY TO COME HOME!” STORY: A CASE STUDY IN TYPICAL MEDIA DECEIT (https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/03/04/snowden-wants-come-home-stories-case-study-media-deceit/)


Snowden did not choose to live in Russia. He was forced to remain there when trying to leave because the U.S. government revoked his passport and bullied the Cubans out of offering him safe passage on his way to Latin America. But whether jingoists like David Ignatius can comprehend this or not, Snowden (as most people would) actually considers living in Moscow with his girlfriend and freely participating in the vital global debate he provoked to be preferable to withering in a cage inside the repressive U.S. penal state.

What Glenn said.

[Anti Federalist]

Greenwald:THE “SNOWDEN IS READY TO COME HOME!” STORY: A CASE STUDY IN TYPICAL MEDIA DECEIT (https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/03/04/snowden-wants-come-home-stories-case-study-media-deceit/)


Snowden did not choose to live in Russia. He was forced to remain there when trying to leave because the U.S. government revoked his passport and bullied the Cubans out of offering him safe passage on his way to Latin America. But whether jingoists like David Ignatius can comprehend this or not, Snowden (as most people would) actually considers living in Moscow with his girlfriend and freely participating in the vital global debate he provoked to be preferable to withering in a cage inside the repressive U.S. penal state.

What Glenn said.

[Anti Federalist]

And no, I was never of a mind that this was some new, earth shattering, revelation on Ed's part.

I just take these opportunities to remark how idiotic it would be to even consider returning to Sauron.

If the state didn't get him, some "Super Statist Patriot" might put a bullet in him.

[Suzanimal]

Snowden says U.S. not offering fair trial if he returns


TORONTO (Reuters) - Edward Snowden, the fugitive former U.S. spy agency contractor who leaked details of mass U.S. surveillance programs, said on Wednesday he is not being offered a fair trial if he returns to the United States.

"I would love to go back and face a fair trial, but unfortunately ... there is no fair trial available, on offer right now," he said from Russia in a live question and answer discussion organized by Canadian Journalists for Free Expression, Toronto's Ryerson University and the Canadian Broadcasting Corp.

"I've been working exhaustively with the government now since I left to try to find terms of a trial," he said.

On Tuesday, his Russian lawyer had said that Snowden has been working with American and German lawyers on a way to return to the United States.

During Wednesday's discussion, in which he took questions via Twitter and from a Toronto audience, Snowden said Canada falls well below other Western nations in the level of oversight it puts on its spy agencies.

"Canadian intelligence has one of the weakest oversight frameworks out of any Western intelligence agency in the world," he said.

He did not comment specifically on new legislation proposed by Canada's Conservative government that would expand the powers of the Canadian Security Intelligence Service, the country's main intelligence service. Critics say the new bill provides little to no additional oversight.

In January, CBC News and news website The Intercept reported that 2012 documents sourced from Snowden showed that Canada's electronic spy agency, the Communications Security Establishment, had intercepted and analyzed up to 15 million file downloads a day.

The Canadian media advocacy group that co-hosted Wednesday's event also launched an archive of all previously published documents released by media outlets working with Snowden.

http://news.yahoo.com/snowden-says-u-not-offering-fair-trial-returns-181448956.html

[UWDude]

Perhaps his point it to display the myriad ways in which he will not be guaranteed a fair trial.

He is an activist afterall.


Could be.


Or maybe he is thinking he can get two years probation, Like Petraeus did.

[unknown]

https://i.postimg.cc/YSM2pGgQ/If-you-have-nothing-to-hide.jpg (https://postimages.org/)