Netanyahu Says Iran Cannot Be Trusted? Remember the USS Liberty

[James_Madison_Lives]

Saying "Iran cannot be trusted" Netanyahu today showed (http://news.yahoo.com/special-report-benjamin-netanyahu-s-speech-before-congress-010825400.html) chutzpah that takes the cake.

Declassified cables show Israel knew the Liberty was an American ship after all. The object was to blame the attack on Egypt and draw the US into war in the Six Day War which was raging at the time. USS Liberty survivors speak in the new documentary "The Day Israel Attacked America."

New revelations in attack on American spy ship - Chicago Tribune ('http://www.chicagotribune.com/chi-liberty_tuesoct02-story.html#page=4')


Five days after the Liberty attack, Harman cabled Eban that a source the Israelis code-named "Hamlet" was reporting that the Americans had "clear proof that from a certain stage the pilot discovered the identity of the ship and continued the attack anyway."

Harman repeated the warning three days later, advising Eban, who is now dead, that the White House was "very angry," and that "the reason for this is that the Americans probably have findings showing that our pilots indeed knew that the ship was American."

Fox News: "Ex-Navy Official: 1967 Israeli Attack on U.S. Ship Was Deliberate" ('http://www.foxnews.com/story/2003/10/23/ex-navy-official-167-israeli-attack-on-us-ship-was-deliberate/')

[Former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs Admiral Thomas] Moorer's panel suggested several possible reasons Israel might have wanted to attack a U.S. ship. Among them: Israel intended to sink the ship and blame Egypt because it might have brought the United States into the 1967 war.

Trailer - Liberty Survivors Speak - The Day Israel Attacked America

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9iSwsYPpdc

Full documentary: Liberty Survivors Speak- The Day Israel Attacked America

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5mu79ygShs

[enhanced_deficit]

Netanyahu Says Iran Cannot Be Trusted? Remember the USS Liberty



Liberty isn't the only thing , remember Israeli terrorist attacks on American buildings that Israel planned to blame on arab Islamists:

Israel's plan was to bomb Western targets, make it seem as though Egypt was behind the attacks (http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition...s-later-1.4385)
Nov. 11, 2009
The Lavon affair - also known locally as esek habish, "the rotten business" - was a plan to discredit Egypt's government, then headed by Gamal Abdel Nasser, by bombing theaters, post offices and U.S. and British institutions, and making it seem as though Egypt was behind the bombings. The thinking in Israel at the time was that if the British were to give up control of the Suez Canal, it would be left in Egypt's hands, putting Cairo in a better position to exert pressure on Israel.

The agents were told "to undermine the West's trust in the [Egyptian] government by causing public insecurity" while concealing Israel's role in the sabotage.

[phill4paul]

The attack on the USS Liberty is a conspiracy theory that disenfranchises Rand from the average Republican voter. With all the new voters that will be showing up after the CSPAN shot of Rand applauding Netanyahoo it's best if conspiracy theories such as this be relegated to Hot Topics.

3866

[PRB]

Iran had nothing to do with USS Liberty

[Acala]

Iran had nothing to do with USS Liberty

Really not getting it, are you? Allow me to explain. Israel has been shown to be deceitful and treacherous. Israel now accuses Iran of not being trustworthy. Hilarity ensues.

[dillo]

Liberty isn't the only thing , remember Israeli terrorist attacks on American buildings that Israel planned to blame on arab Islamists:

Israel's plan was to bomb Western targets, make it seem as though Egypt was behind the attacks (http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition...s-later-1.4385)
Nov. 11, 2009
The Lavon affair - also known locally as esek habish, "the rotten business" - was a plan to discredit Egypt's government, then headed by Gamal Abdel Nasser, by bombing theaters, post offices and U.S. and British institutions, and making it seem as though Egypt was behind the bombings. The thinking in Israel at the time was that if the British were to give up control of the Suez Canal, it would be left in Egypt's hands, putting Cairo in a better position to exert pressure on Israel.

The agents were told "to undermine the West's trust in the [Egyptian] government by causing public insecurity" while concealing Israel's role in the sabotage.

Israel also gave the people medals of commendation after denying that the op ever existed

[PRB]

Really not getting it, are you? Allow me to explain. Israel has been shown to be deceitful and treacherous. Israel now accuses Iran of not being trustworthy. Hilarity ensues.

The fact Israel isn't trustworthy doesn't change the fact Iran isn't. Saying "you're a murderer too" isn't a defense.

[James_Madison_Lives]

The attack on the USS Liberty is a conspiracy theory that disenfranchises Rand from the average Republican voter. With all the new voters that will be showing up after the CSPAN shot of Rand applauding Netanyahoo it's best if conspiracy theories such as this be relegated to Hot Topics.

3866


Oh really? Here is who says you are full of it and it is not a "conspiracy theory," including every survivor of the Liberty attack:

Secretary of State Dean Rusk,
Undersecretary of State George Ball,
former CIA director Richard Helms,
former NSA directors Lieutenant General William Odom, USA (Ret.), Admiral Bobby Ray Inman, USN (Ret.), and Marshal Carter;
former NSA deputy directors Oliver Kirby and Major General John Morrison, USAF (Ret.),
former Ambassador Dwight Porter, U.S. Ambassador to Lebanon in 1967;
Admiral Thomas H. Moorer, United States Navy, (ret.) former chairman, Joint Chiefs of Staff,
General Raymond G. Davis, US Marine Corps, former Assistant Commandant of the Marine Corps,
Rear Admiral Merlin Staring, US Navy, (ret.) former Judge Advocate General of the Navy,
Ambassador James Akins, (ret.) former US Ambassador to Saudi Arabia.

http://wais.stanford.edu/USA/US_USSLiberty%28110503%29.html

Still think it's a "conspiracy theory?"

[Danke]

J
Oh really? Here is who says you are full of it and it is not a "conspiracy theory," including every survivor of the Liberty attack:

Secretary of State Dean Rusk, Undersecretary of State George Ball, former CIA director Richard Helms, former NSA directors Lieutenant General William Odom, USA (Ret.), Admiral Bobby Ray Inman, USN (Ret.), and Marshal Carter; former NSA deputy directors Oliver Kirby and Major General John Morrison, USAF (Ret.), and former Ambassador Dwight Porter, U.S. Ambassador to Lebanon in 1967; Admiral Thomas H. Moorer, United States Navy, (ret.) former chairman, Joint Chiefs of Staff, General Raymond G. Davis, US Marine Corps, former Assistant Commandant of the Marine Corps, Rear Admiral Merlin Staring, US Navy, (ret.) former Judge Advocate General of the Navy, Ambassador James Akins, (ret.) former US Ambassador to Saudi Arabia.

http://wais.stanford.edu/USA/US_USSLiberty%28110503%29.html

:rolleyes:

[ClydeCoulter]

Oh really? Here is who says you are full of it and it is not a "conspiracy theory," including every survivor of the Liberty attack:

Secretary of State Dean Rusk,
Undersecretary of State George Ball,
former CIA director Richard Helms,
former NSA directors Lieutenant General William Odom, USA (Ret.), Admiral Bobby Ray Inman, USN (Ret.), and Marshal Carter;
former NSA deputy directors Oliver Kirby and Major General John Morrison, USAF (Ret.),
former Ambassador Dwight Porter, U.S. Ambassador to Lebanon in 1967;
Admiral Thomas H. Moorer, United States Navy, (ret.) former chairman, Joint Chiefs of Staff,
General Raymond G. Davis, US Marine Corps, former Assistant Commandant of the Marine Corps,
Rear Admiral Merlin Staring, US Navy, (ret.) former Judge Advocate General of the Navy,
Ambassador James Akins, (ret.) former US Ambassador to Saudi Arabia.

http://wais.stanford.edu/USA/US_USSLiberty%28110503%29.html

Still think it's a "conspiracy theory?"

He was being sarcastic. (a pun on another thread)

[phill4paul]

Oh really? Here is who says you are full of it and it is not a "conspiracy theory," including every survivor of the Liberty attack:

Secretary of State Dean Rusk,
Undersecretary of State George Ball,
former CIA director Richard Helms,
former NSA directors Lieutenant General William Odom, USA (Ret.), Admiral Bobby Ray Inman, USN (Ret.), and Marshal Carter;
former NSA deputy directors Oliver Kirby and Major General John Morrison, USAF (Ret.),
former Ambassador Dwight Porter, U.S. Ambassador to Lebanon in 1967;
Admiral Thomas H. Moorer, United States Navy, (ret.) former chairman, Joint Chiefs of Staff,
General Raymond G. Davis, US Marine Corps, former Assistant Commandant of the Marine Corps,
Rear Admiral Merlin Staring, US Navy, (ret.) former Judge Advocate General of the Navy,
Ambassador James Akins, (ret.) former US Ambassador to Saudi Arabia.

http://wais.stanford.edu/USA/US_USSLiberty%28110503%29.html

Still think it's a "conspiracy theory?"




:rolleyes:

Lol.

[Acala]

The fact Israel isn't trustworthy doesn't change the fact Iran isn't. Saying "you're a murderer too" isn't a defense.

Still missing the point. The fact that Israel isn't trustworthy makes it hypocrisy for them to call Iran untrustworthy. See? Nobody is saying that Iran is trustworthy. But Israel has no standing to complain. So they should STFU.

[Bastiat's The Law]

Piece of history swept under the rug. I'd say 98% of people have no clue about this.

[James_Madison_Lives]

Piece of history swept under the rug. I'd say 98% of people have no clue about this.

This documentary is the best thing to circulate, in the words of the Liberty survivors themselves.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5mu79ygShs

[PRB]

Still missing the point. The fact that Israel isn't trustworthy makes it hypocrisy for them to call Iran untrustworthy. See? Nobody is saying that Iran is trustworthy. But Israel has no standing to complain. So they should STFU.

how trustworthy do you need to be to be allowed to say somebody else isn't???

[jmdrake]

The fact Israel isn't trustworthy doesn't change the fact Iran isn't. Saying "you're a murderer too" isn't a defense.

If the star witness against you in a murder trial is a murderer that perjured himself in his murder trial then that is a defense as you are undermining his credibility.

[PRB]

If the star witness against you in a murder trial is a murderer that perjured himself in his murder trial then that is a defense as you are undermining his credibility.

your keyword here is perjury, not murder. you can say he's a career liar who never physically harmed anybody and the argument would still work. so my point stands, calling soembody a murderer (per se), even if true, is not a defense.

[Acala]

how trustworthy do you need to be to be allowed to say somebody else isn't???

The word of a proven liar and provocateur should be disregarded in any event.

[pcosmar]

The fact Israel isn't trustworthy doesn't change the fact Iran isn't. Saying "you're a murderer too" isn't a defense.

Yeah,, how dare they overthrow the Murderous Dictator that we imposed on them. :rolleyes:

[THX 1138]

I wonder why Israel has never signed the NNP Treaty.

[ZENemy]

http://i.stack.imgur.com/HPV0g.jpg

[William Tell]

Oh really? Here is who says you are full of it and it is not a "conspiracy theory," including every survivor of the Liberty attack:


Still think it's a "conspiracy theory?"

You don't know what sarcasm is?

[Dr.3D]

You don't know what sarcasm is?
What's funny is, this sign...http://www.ronpaulforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=3866&d=1425410591 Was even in the quote.

[Brett85]

http://i.stack.imgur.com/HPV0g.jpg

Geez, even Bush and Obama were less bad than most Presidents according to that graph. That's just ridiculous.

[William Tell]

I imagine Iran wouldn't get away with machine gunning and torpedoing one of our naval ships. 'Murika doesn't let just anybody kill 34 of our guys, and wound another 171.

[ZENemy]

Geez, even Bush and Obama were less bad than most Presidents according to that graph. That's just ridiculous.

I heard that not too long ago that the "leader of the free world" put Japanese folks in camps, but that was pre bush so Its probably not true.

[PRB]

I imagine Iran wouldn't get away with machine gunning and torpedoing one of our naval ships. 'Murika doesn't let just anybody kill 34 of our guys, and wound another 171.

Of course not, nobody would, the only reasons Israel got away with it are because

1. Jews suffered a Holocaust
2. Rich Jews control the media and political money

[squarepusher]

USS Liberty was in zones it was agreed upon it would not be in, in contested territory/war zones, (was likely possibly spying).
This "conspiracy theory" has been pretty well debunked as far as I am concerned.

but "omgjewshatecontrolamericaaregoingtokillusall" !!

[Danke]

USS Liberty was in zones it was agreed upon it would not be in, in contested territory/war zones, (was likely possibly spying).
This "conspiracy theory" has been pretty well debunked as far as I am concerned.

but "omgjewshatecontrolamericaaregoingtokillusall" !!

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/ussliberty.html

[squarepusher]

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/ussliberty.html

SO what exactly is your theory on why Israel attacked the US ship?

Here is a good page debunking the USS Liberty Truthers
https://www.facebook.com/groups/435043943172720/

[paleocon1]

how trustworthy do you need to be to be allowed to say somebody else isn't???

When the lives of millions are at stake? 100% reliable is the lowest bar acceptable.

[paleocon1]

SO what exactly is your theory on why Israel attacked the US ship?

Here is a good page debunking the USS Liberty Truthers
https://www.facebook.com/groups/435043943172720/

There are a number of possible WHYS??? but what is in view here is the absolute proven Reality that the israeli's knew they were attacking an American ship.

[squarepusher]

There are a number of possible WHYS??? but what is in view here is the absolute proven Reality that the israeli's knew they were attacking an American ship.

can you explain the most likely why reason that you believe?

[phill4paul]

can you explain the most likely why reason that you believe?

http://www.ussliberty.org/g/samosamo.gif

http://www.usslibertyinquiry.com/images/elquseir/comparativedraft.gif

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_qOqqmOLh0p4/TUhgZiwQ-nI/AAAAAAAAAE8/uqWcD_FPY8c/s1600/us-egypt-flag.png

As to why? Perhaps...Gulf of Tonkin. A plan so nice Johnson tried it twice.

[pcosmar]

can you explain the most likely why reason that you believe?

Because the pilots said they knew.

Israeli communications said to prove IAF knew Liberty was U.S. ship
http://www.haaretz.com/news/israeli-communications-said-to-prove-iaf-knew-liberty-was-u-s-ship-1.230486

Tapes have been released,, proving that they knew it was a US flagged vessel. Despite lying and claiming they didn't know.

http://navy.memorieshop.com/Liberty/Views.html

[squarepusher]

There are a number of possible WHYS??? but what is in view here is the absolute proven Reality that the israeli's knew they were attacking an American ship.

ok no reason?


http://www.ussliberty.org/g/samosamo.gif

http://www.usslibertyinquiry.com/images/elquseir/comparativedraft.gif

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_qOqqmOLh0p4/TUhgZiwQ-nI/AAAAAAAAAE8/uqWcD_FPY8c/s1600/us-egypt-flag.png

As to why? Perhaps...Gulf of Tonkin. A plan so nice Johnson tried it twice.
OK , Gulf Of Tonkin, so the US attacked itself to make Israel look bad?


Because the pilots said they knew.

Israeli communications said to prove IAF knew Liberty was U.S. ship
http://www.haaretz.com/news/israeli-communications-said-to-prove-iaf-knew-liberty-was-u-s-ship-1.230486

Tapes have been released,, proving that they knew it was a US flagged vessel. Despite lying and claiming they didn't know.

http://navy.memorieshop.com/Liberty/Views.html

ok deflection no answer?

Anyone can give a straight here?

[William Tell]

I believe the survivors testimony.

[jmdrake]

your keyword here is perjury, not murder. you can say he's a career liar who never physically harmed anybody and the argument would still work. so my point stands, calling soembody a murderer (per se), even if true, is not a defense.

No your point doesn't stand. Israel lied for years about the USS Liberty.

[jmdrake]

USS Liberty was in zones it was agreed upon it would not be in, in contested territory/war zones, (was likely possibly spying).
This "conspiracy theory" has been pretty well debunked as far as I am concerned.

but "omgjewshatecontrolamericaaregoingtokillusall" !!

LOL. Talk about 9/11 and people like you say "Don't blame America." Talk about the USS Liberty and you turn around and blame America. Make up your mind! Even if your argument was true (and it isn't) that's still no excuse or what happened. When we've caught Israeli spies we didn't execute them. Strafing lifeboats is a crime against humanity.

[jmdrake]

SO what exactly is your theory on why Israel attacked the US ship?

Here is a good page debunking the USS Liberty Truthers
https://www.facebook.com/groups/435043943172720/

Why exactly do you think that is a good page? It's just a bunch of idiots going around saying "anti-semite! anti-semite!" without actually giving any real facts about the attack. Shill much?

[William Tell]

SO what exactly is your theory on why Israel attacked the US ship?
ok deflection no answer?

ok no reason?


OK , Gulf Of Tonkin, so the US attacked itself to make Israel look bad?


Anyone can give a straight here?

Motive is speculation, you are asking for people to theorize, the actions taken are the issue here.

[phill4paul]

, Gulf Of Tonkin, so the US attacked itself to make Israel look bad?

Who said the US attacked itself? Who might have been blamed for the attack had there been no survivors? Johnson, reportedly had a great enmity of Nasser. Wars have been orchestrated for less...Bush. Anything that came out later could have been attributed to faulty intelligence...yellow cake. We will probably never know.
What we do know is that an intelligence ship was placed in a war zone without escort. We also know that it was clearly identifiable as an American ship.

[squarepusher]

Who said the US attacked itself? Who might have been blamed for the attack had there been no survivors? Johnson, reportedly had a great enmity of Nasser. Wars have been orchestrated for less...Bush. Anything that came out later could have been attributed to faulty intelligence...yellow cake. We will probably never know.
What we do know is that an intelligence ship was placed in a war zone without escort. We also know that it was clearly identifiable as an American ship.

OK, so you are suggesting Israel was trying to frame the attack on Egypt, however did not "clean up the job" enough and left some US survivors therefore ruining their plan?

[phill4paul]

OK, so you are suggesting Israel was trying to frame the attack on Egypt, however did not "clean up the job" enough and left some US survivors therefore ruining their plan?

A possibility. One of many. I don't know what possibilities could be in the minds of manipulators. Attacks on ships have long been precursors to war or at least support of war. Spanish/American. WWI. WWII. Vietnam.
What we do know is that an intelligence ship was in a war zone without escort. And that it was clearly identifiable as an American naval vessel. Who would place it there without support and why? Why would a clearly identifiable American naval vessel be fired upon by Israeli forces?

[pcosmar]

ok deflection no answer?

Anyone can give a straight here?

NO That was no deflection.. That was a direct answer as to why I believe that Israel KNEW they were attacking an American Ship.

as to why they did it I can only speculate.. and there is no good reason.

Perhaps for the same reason as the "Lavon Affair". To instigate. Which is the reason the "nation" was created.

[James_Madison_Lives]

NO That was no deflection.. That was a direct answer as to why I believe that Israel KNEW they were attacking an American Ship.

as to why they did it I can only speculate.. and there is no good reason.

Perhaps for the same reason as the "Lavon Affair". To instigate. Which is the reason the "nation" was created.

It is now beyond dispute that Israel knew it was attacking an American ship, attack lasted over hour and they even machine-gunned the lifeboats from a patrol boat at close range. Partial list of figures who say attack was deliberate include Secretary of State Dean Rusk, Undersecretary of State George Ball, former CIA Director Richard Helms, former NSA Directors Lt. Gen. William Odom, USA (Ret.), Adm. Bobby Ray Inman, USN (Ret.), and Marshal Carter; former NSA deputy directors Oliver Kirby and Maj. Gen. John Morrison, USAF (Ret.); and former Ambassador Dwight Porter, U.S. Ambassador to Lebanon in 1967.

Chicago Tribune:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/chi-liberty_tuesoct02-story.html#page=1


Steve Forslundan, an intelligence analyst for the 544th Air Reconnaissance Technical Wing at Offutt Air Force Base in Omaha, said that the Israeli military:

""made specific reference to the efforts to direct the jets to the target which was identified as American numerous times by the ground controller. Upon arrival, the aircraft specifically identified the target and mentioned the American flag she was flying. There were frequent operational transmissions from the pilots to the ground base describing the strafing runs. The ground control began asking about the status of the target and whether it was sinking. They stressed that the target must be sunk and leave no trace.""


This is how we know Israeli Mossad also had a hand in 9/11, since that attacked is what resulted in the US knocking out Israel's arch-enemy Saddam. Now the Middle East is exactly as Israel envisioned it, warring Sunni and Shia factions with no strong central governments to oppose Israeli ambitions for regional dominance, except Iran, which is why the want to bomb it into the Stone Age so badly. The nuclear program is just the excuse.

The Israeli Mossad agents with Prior Knowledge of 9/11, from WhatReallyHappened.com (http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/fiveisraelis.html) with footnotes and citations:


The New York Times reported Thursday that a group of five men had set up video cameras aimed at the Twin Towers prior to the attack on Tuesday, and were seen congratulating one another afterwards.

"They were like happy, you know … They didn't look shocked to me" said a witness. (3)

[T]hey were seen by New Jersey residents on Sept. 11 making fun of the World Trade Center ruins and going to extreme lengths to photograph themselves in front of the wreckage. (4)

Witnesses saw them jumping for joy in Liberty State Park after the initial impact (5). Later on, other witnesses saw them celebrating on a roof in Weehawken, and still more witnesses later saw them celebrating with high fives in a Jersey City parking lot. (6)

"It looked like they're hooked in with this. It looked like they knew what was going to happen when they were at Liberty State Park."




History Commons - September 11, 2001: Five Apparent Israeli Spies Arrested for Puzzling Behavior at Time of First WTC Attack (http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=a091101fiveisraelis#a091101fiveis raelis)


The FBI will later conclude at least two of the five are Mossad agents and that all were on a Mossad surveillance mission. The FBI interrogates them for weeks. [Forward, 3/15/2002]

http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=a091101fiveisraelis#a091101fiveis raelis

The next day it will be reported that “bomb-sniffing dogs reacted as if they had detected explosives.” An investigator high up in the Bergen County law enforcement hierarchy will say in 2006, “There are maps of the city in the car with certain places highlighted…. It looked like they’re hooked in with this [referring to the 9/11 attacks]

NYC police audio, one of vans driven by Israeli teams has mural of "plane diving into New York."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVkzdTerRCQ

Witneses saw one of the agents, Sivan Kurzberg, in the elevator of the same apartment complex on the day before 9/11. From FBI report on arrested agents (http://www.bollyn.com/fbi-police-reports-of-israelis-arrested-on-911):


"[Redacted] advised on 09/10/2001 he saw two people, one of whom was previously identified in a photograph by [blank]. Further investigation identified the person in the photograph to be [blank=fourteen characters, confirmed as Sivan Kurzberg, Section 6 pages 44-45], date of birth [Redacted] entering the elevator in the lobby of the Doric apartment complex (DORIC) located at 100 Manhattan Road. [Redacted] was conversing with another man about [Redacted] [Redacted] believed the two men to be friends or co-workers because of the manner in which they spoke to one another.

[Redacted] and recalled the time to be 3:00 pm. [Redacted] knew this to be the time because he was looking forward to Monday night football and kept checking the time.

http://novalight.org/ThreeOfFiveDancingIsraelis.jpg

The Kurzberg brothers, team leaders of five Israelis arrested, in studio audience as other three relate experience on Israeli talk show
http://www.bollyn.com/public/Kurzberg_brothers.JPG




"We are benefiting from one thing, and that is the attack on the Twin Towers and Pentagon, and the American struggle in Iraq," - Benjamin Netanyahu, April 16, 2008