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Suzanimal
03-03-2015, 07:53 AM
Wow...:(


WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Most Americans don't know who runs the Federal Reserve, but they do believe that elected officials should stay out of its business, according to a Reuters-Ipsos poll.

Just 24 percent of those polled said Congress should be allowed to have detailed oversight of the Fed, the poll shows. More than double that amount said the central bank should be left alone.

The poll of 1,388 Americans was conducted from Feb 20-24 to measure whether people supported proposed legislation that would expose the Fed to a full government audit, a move being led by Rand Paul, a likely 2016 presidential candidate.

The Republican Senator from Kentucky held an "Audit the Fed" rally in Iowa last month, and his spokesman told Reuters that polls showed Americans want the central bank to be audited.

Supporters of the campaign say the Fed needs more transparency and accountability. Opponents say the Fed is already audited, and that exposure of internal policy discussions could lead to political influence over decisions on interest rates and damage market confidence.

Fed Chair Janet Yellen came under pressure from conservatives in Congress this week, with some accusing her of bias towards Democrats.

When asked about who should be responsible for setting interest rates, 66 percent of the participants said independent experts, while 34 percent said elected officials.

"There ought to be some review but I don't know that a full public disclosure of every comment attributed to every Fed member for the whole world to see is necessarily the best option," said David Webb, 64, a former labor relations specialist for the U.S. Army.

The Davenport, Iowa, resident said his concern is that public exposure of the comments invite politicians to manipulate the process, and opens the door for them to apply pressure on Fed officials with whom they disagree, or agree on certain policy matters.

The Fed undergoes annual third-party audits and has been subjected to numerous government reviews, but its internal discussions about monetary policy matters and transactions with foreign banks are among its functions that have been exempt from a government audit since 1978. Paul's bill, and a similar one raised in the House of Representatives, seeks to end that exemption.

Conservatives have stepped up attacks on the Fed for its handling of the 2008 financial crisis and for the more than $3.5 trillion of bonds it purchased afterward to stimulate the economy. Among their concerns is that the bond buying would cause a surge in inflation and debase the dollar, fears that have failed to play out. The dollar has risen 28 percent since May 2011, while market-based measures show U.S. inflation is declining, still below the Fed's 2 percent target.

The Senate Banking Committee is holding a Fed reform hearing on Tuesday, where the issue of the audit is expected to be discussed.



KEEP OUT

Central bank governors are appointed by the White House and subject to congressional confirmation. The Fed is not appropriated taxpayer money, rather it uses interest from securities to provide its budget and transfers profits back to the U.S. Treasury.

The Reuters-Ipsos poll shows that Americans mostly understand that the Fed has influence over interest rates, but are unsure how the central bank works. Some 54 percent of those polled don't know who the Fed chair is, with 7 percent believing that Alan Greenspan is in charge, and 3 percent naming former Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner. About 48 percent say they either know very little about the Fed, or have never heard of it at all.

The poll results also show that 49 percent of participants say important decisions about the nation's money supply should be made without political influence.

"I think the private conversations of Fed officials should remain private," said Hope Peterson, 48, a telecommunications worker in Kalamazoo, Michigan.

The poll results were weighted to current U.S. population data by gender, age, education and ethnicity. It has a credibility interval - which measures the survey's precision - of plus or minus 3 percentage points.

http://news.yahoo.com/americans-keep-politics-fed-061457445--business.html

anaconda
03-03-2015, 08:25 AM
We're so screwed.

P.S. Are we fighting for a way of life and a political system that the vast majority doesn't want nor has little interest in? Would any of our hypothetical successes be ultimately sustainable? We seem to defer to a constitution that is not enforced nor even paid attention to. The masses cannot muster the requisite attention span. The minute they stop paying attention they become completely impressionable by the media delivered to them the moneyed class who seeks control. It seems that a republic cannot survive the onslaught from the moneyed class that simply purchases the government and purchases the media.

CaptUSA
03-03-2015, 08:26 AM
It's all how you phrase the question...

If they ask you if you'd rather have independent experts set the interest rates or elected officials, who do you think is going to be favored?!

What you have here are carefully crafted questions with cherry-picked statements to drive home to low-info voters that they shouldn't want an audit of the Fed. It's a perfect collaboration between polling, media, and banking.

The Gold Standard
03-03-2015, 08:35 AM
We're so screwed.

P.S. Are we fighting for a way of life and a political system that the vast majority doesn't want nor has little interest in? Would any of our hypothetical successes be ultimately sustainable?

Boobus has zero interest in freedom. They want to be fed and entertained. They don't give a fuck how heavy their chains are. And I shudder to think how they would handle any "successes" we have. Say Rand is elected president, slashes spending, etc. The Fed would surely tighten up and bust these bubbles and bring on a new depression. The non stop propaganda would have Boobus marching on Washington with torches calling for Rand's head before the economy could even recover.

A smaller group can lead sheep to slaughter quite easily. The sheep don't have to do anything but follow. A smaller group can't lead men to freedom that don't want it.

Cleaner44
03-03-2015, 08:47 AM
Fuck you Frank!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=If9EWDB_zK4

paleocon1
03-03-2015, 08:56 AM
It's all how you phrase the question...

If they ask you if you'd rather have independent experts set the interest rates or elected officials, who do you think is going to be favored?!

What you have here are carefully crafted questions with cherry-picked statements to drive home to low-info voters that they shouldn't want an audit of the Fed. It's a perfect collaboration between polling, media, and banking.

Suppose the Question had been posed thusly-

Would you as a Citizen prefer that USA monetary policy be set by:

1) Representatives of the international banking cartel with a goal of increasing cartel profitability

or...................

2) By elected representataives of the American People with a goal of increasing the general prosperity of the American People.


I do believe option 2 would have won easily.

Brian4Liberty
03-03-2015, 09:05 AM
It's partly how they phrase the question, and partly a tribute to the effectiveness of the establishment-media complex. The Ministry of Truth does a good job at conditioning the ignorant masses.

AuH20
03-03-2015, 09:13 AM
Politics created the Fed. Umm? What are these people talking about?

AuH20
03-03-2015, 09:15 AM
Boobus has zero interest in freedom. They want to be fed and entertained. They don't give a fuck how heavy their chains are. And I shudder to think how they would handle any "successes" we have. Say Rand is elected president, slashes spending, etc. The Fed would surely tighten up and bust these bubbles and bring on a new depression. The non stop propaganda would have Boobus marching on Washington with torches calling for Rand's head before the economy could even recover.

A smaller group can lead sheep to slaughter quite easily. The sheep don't have to do anything but follow. A smaller group can't lead men to freedom that don't want it.

Too many first world problems have clouded their brain. Wait until we get to the third world problems. Then maybe you'll see a change. The country will likely fracture into multiple pieces...

staerker
03-03-2015, 09:21 AM
Suppose the Question had been posed thusly-

Would you as a Citizen prefer that USA monetary policy be set by:

1) Representatives of the international banking cartel with a goal of increasing cartel profitability

or...................

2) By elected representataives of the American People with a goal of increasing the general prosperity of the American People.


I do believe option 2 would have won easily.

Or,

1) educated banking experts, each with 30yrs of experience

2) DC politicians

If you're primarily getting your information from the phrasing of a question...well. Sigh.

milgram
03-03-2015, 09:22 AM
I tried to copy and paste the poll here but the results are presented in tables so it didn't format correctly.

Here is the pdf which presents results for seven Fed questions in this poll: http://www.ipsos-na.com/download/pr.aspx?id=14299

The question is worded as follows: "For each of the policies/issues below, please indicate whether you believe that they should be the responsibility of independent experts or elected officials?"

William Tell
03-03-2015, 09:25 AM
It's all how you phrase the question...

If they ask you if you'd rather have independent experts set the interest rates or elected officials, who do you think is going to be favored?!

Exactly, when people were asked in the past whether they wanted oversight and accountability they said yes overwhelmingly.

Ronin Truth
03-03-2015, 09:57 AM
The Fed would be much easier to kill without politics.

Matt Collins
03-03-2015, 02:07 PM
They are just trying to provide cover for the Senators who will vote against an audit.

CaptUSA
03-03-2015, 03:17 PM
Suppose the Question had been posed thusly-

Would you as a Citizen prefer that USA monetary policy be set by:

1) Representatives of the international banking cartel with a goal of increasing cartel profitability

or...................

2) By elected representataives of the American People with a goal of increasing the general prosperity of the American People.


I do believe option 2 would have won easily.

I'd choose option 3 - By the free market.

devil21
03-03-2015, 04:36 PM
I tried to copy and paste the poll here but the results are presented in tables so it didn't format correctly.

Here is the pdf which presents results for seven Fed questions in this poll: http://www.ipsos-na.com/download/pr.aspx?id=14299

The question is worded as follows: "For each of the policies/issues below, please indicate whether you believe that they should be the responsibility of independent experts or elected officials?"

May as well just call that a push poll. "Experts" vs. "Officials".

Fuck you Frank!

In other news, 80% of people polled don't know a damn thing about the Fed but still have an opinion.

DamianTV
03-03-2015, 04:48 PM
The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter. - Winston Churchill

He couldnt have said it any better.

56ktarget
03-04-2015, 03:22 AM
Pauline logic:

1. Govt and politicians don't work
2. Hand over most critical economic institution to govt and politicians

This is why Ron Paul lost 3 times.

DamianTV
03-04-2015, 05:17 AM
Pauline logic:

1. Govt and politicians don't work
2. Hand over most critical economic institution to govt and politicians

This is why Ron Paul lost 3 times.

Egads, youre right! We should just let YOU print all teh moneyz in teh worlds!

(am I feeding the troll?)

anaconda
03-04-2015, 06:06 AM
The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter. - Winston Churchill

He couldnt have said it any better.

And for a constitutional republic, even fewer than 5 minutes.

jmdrake
03-04-2015, 06:42 AM
It's all how you phrase the question...

If they ask you if you'd rather have independent experts set the interest rates or elected officials, who do you think is going to be favored?!

What you have here are carefully crafted questions with cherry-picked statements to drive home to low-info voters that they shouldn't want an audit of the Fed. It's a perfect collaboration between polling, media, and banking.

Exactly! Add to that, most Americans hear congress being trashed everyday so they know they don't trust congress. But the fed being trashed? Not so much.

Here is how the question should be worded. "Do you like unelected bureaucrats deciding financial policy on your behalf and even putting you on the hook for loans to foreign banks without any oversight or accountability?"

mrsat_98
03-04-2015, 06:54 AM
elected representataives of the American People with a goal of increasing the general prosperity of the American People.

Just exactly what is an elected representative that gives a rats ass about the general prosperity of the American People ?

Other than Ron Paul.

paleocon1
03-04-2015, 08:25 AM
Just exactly what is an elected representative that gives a rats ass about the general prosperity of the American People ?

Other than Ron Paul.

That would be what the American People would Elect were they not neoconned sheeple.

paleocon1
03-04-2015, 08:33 AM
And for a constitutional republic, even fewer than 5 minutes.

That I would question. A Constitutional Republic can last indefinitely as long as the basic documents include institutional barriers to rent seeking among the elite and the Vote is restricted to persons with at least modest Property holdings and independent income.............and the roll of the State is restricted to defending the Borders and suppressing internal crime against persons and property of citizens.