Obama threatened to shoot down Israeli jets

[Dianne]

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/191966#.VPNUZS5WK_Q


The Bethlehem-based news agency Ma’an has cited a Kuwaiti newspaper report Saturday, that US President Barack Obama thwarted an Israeli military attack against Iran's nuclear facilities in 2014 by threatening to shoot down Israeli jets before they could reach their targets in Iran.

Following Obama's threat, Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu was reportedly forced to abort the planned Iran attack.

According to Al-Jarida, the Netanyahu government took the decision to strike Iran some time in 2014 soon after Israel had discovered the United States and Iran had been involved in secret talks over Iran’s nuclear program and were about to sign an agreement in that regard behind Israel's back.

The report claimed that an unnamed Israeli minister who has good ties with the US administration revealed the attack plan to Secretary of State John Kerry, and that Obama then threatened to shoot down the Israeli jets before they could reach their targets in Iran.

Al-Jarida quoted "well-placed" sources as saying that Netanyahu, along with Minister of Defense Moshe Yaalon, and then-Foreign Minister Avigdor Liberman, had decided to carry out airstrikes against Iran's nuclear program after consultations with top security commanders.

According to the report, “Netanyahu and his commanders agreed after four nights of deliberations to task the Israeli army's chief of staff, Benny Gantz, to prepare a qualitative operation against Iran's nuclear program. In addition, Netanyahu and his ministers decided to do whatever they could do to thwart a possible agreement between Iran and the White House because such an agreement is, allegedly, a threat to Israel's security.”

The sources added that Gantz and his commanders prepared the requested plan and that Israeli fighter jets trained for several weeks in order to make sure the plans would work successfully. Israeli fighter jets reportedly even carried out experimental flights in Iran's airspace after they managed to break through radars.

Brzezinski's idea

Former US diplomat Zbigniew Brzezinski, who enthusiastically campaigned for Obama in 2008, called on him to shoot down Israeli planes if they attack Iran. “They have to fly over our airspace in Iraq. Are we just going to sit there and watch?” said the former national security advisor to former President Jimmy Carter in an interview with the Daily Beast.

“We have to be serious about denying them that right,” he said. “If they fly over, you go up and confront them. They have the choice of turning back or not. No one wishes for this but it could be a 'Liberty' in reverse.’"

Israel mistakenly attacked the American Liberty ship during the Six-Day War in 1967.

Brzezinski was a top candidate to become an official advisor to President Obama, but he was downgraded after Republican and pro-Israel Democratic charges during the campaign that Brzezinski’s anti-Israel attitude would damage Obama at the polls.

[KCIndy]

Former US diplomat Zbigniew Brzezinski, who enthusiastically campaigned for Obama in 2008, called on him to shoot down Israeli planes if they attack Iran. “They have to fly over our airspace in Iraq. Are we just going to sit there and watch?” said the former national security advisor to former President Jimmy Carter in an interview with the Daily Beast.


Let me be clear: I do not support the idea of Israeli air strikes at all.

But the sheer irony of the part of the statement I highlighted is just... just... well, beyond words.

[Uriel999]

Former US diplomat Zbigniew Brzezinski, who enthusiastically campaigned for Obama in 2008, called on him to shoot down Israeli planes if they attack Iran. “They have to fly over our airspace in Iraq. Are we just going to sit there and watch?” said the former national security advisor to former President Jimmy Carter in an interview with the Daily Beast.


Let me be clear: I do not support the idea of Israeli air strikes at all.

But the sheer irony of the part of the statement I highlighted is just... just... well, beyond words.

Iraq is one of the states that brings us up to 57.

[James_Madison_Lives]

Shoot the bastards down.

[juleswin]

Things more likely to happen than Obama shooting down an Israeli jet.

Me making the national team of any country and winning the world cup with my last minute go ahead goal.
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[enhanced_deficit]

Really? Was it 1967 all over again?

US had emergency plan for attacking Israel in 1967 (http://www.haaretz.com/news/u-s-had-emergency-plan-for-attacking-israel-in-1967-1.218857)
www.haaretz.com/.../u-s-had-emergency-plan-for-attacking-israel...Haaretz (http://www.haaretz.com/.../u-s-had-emergency-plan-for-attacking-israel...Haaretz)
Apr 23, 2007 - Plan was aimed at preventing Israel from expanding westward, into Sinai, or eastward, into the West Bank.


It is plausible that right-left wings of zionists have fallen apart in aftermath of 9/11 & Iraqi freedom. The in-fighting in neocon community is healthy development but shooting Israeli plane by current puppet regime story seems mostly theoratical or posturing. Extremely unlikely that Obama would receive permission to take such a drastic step.

U.S. official: 'Netanyahu spat in our face. There'll be a price.' (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?467324-U-S-official-Netanyahu-spat-in-our-face-There-ll-be-a-price&)

[James_Madison_Lives]

Really? Was it 1967 all over again?

US had emergency plan for attacking Israel in 1967 (http://www.haaretz.com/news/u-s-had-emergency-plan-for-attacking-israel-in-1967-1.218857)
www.haaretz.com/.../u-s-had-emergency-plan-for-attacking-israel...Haaretz (http://www.haaretz.com/.../u-s-had-emergency-plan-for-attacking-israel...Haaretz)
Apr 23, 2007 - Plan was aimed at preventing Israel from expanding westward, into Sinai, or eastward, into the West Bank.


It is plausible that right-left wings of zionists have fallen apart in aftermath of 9/11 & Iraqi freedom. The in-fighting in neocon community is healthy development but shooting Israeli plane by current puppet regime story seems mostly theoratical or posturing. Extremely unlikely that Obama would receive permission to take such a drastic step.

U.S. official: 'Netanyahu spat in our face. There'll be a price.' (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?467324-U-S-official-Netanyahu-spat-in-our-face-There-ll-be-a-price&)

We should have attcked them right after the USS Liberty.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9iSwsYPpdc

[kpitcher]

Logically why would an Israeli source give it to a kuwait paper? Where's the wikileaks version, or more than just a newspaper story. Is this paper the Kuwait version of our Bat boy / Aliens among us newspapers?

[cindy25]

I'm starting to like Obama. what I would really like him to do is recognize the Republic of Palestine, either as a two state policy, or better yet as one state, replacing Israel (as happened to Taiwan)

he might get impeached, but would not be convicted by the senate.

[enhanced_deficit]

He is a likeable fella but he might be more concerned about Andrew Adlers in America (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?456039-Christie-calls-for-forceful-defense-of-Israel-says-Obama-not-decisive&p=5593230&viewfull=1#post5593230) than impeachment if he flip flopped like that.


http://4.bp.blogspot.com/--eX5hN0zQY0/U0_panDNnEI/AAAAAAAAWs8/pB03d_Vf9ZI/s1600/Eric-Lesser-Passover-Seder-White-House.pnghttp://weeklyworldnews.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/obama_passover_seder.jpg?w=375&h=200

President Obama and Eric Lesser taking wine out of their glasses for each of the ten plagues


Ahead of Netanyahu arrival, White House publishes 'five facts you need to know about U.S.-Israel relations under Obama'

Article posted by on official website says 'American engagement with Israel has grown and strengthened to an unprecedented degree.'
By Haaretz and News Agencies | Mar. 2, 2015

According to the article (http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/1.644884), which was posted by National Security Council spokeswoman Bernadette Meehan, 'American engagement with Israel has grown and strengthened to an unprecedented degree' under Obama.
The White House article lists 'five key facts' about the relationship between the two countries under Obama, saying that the president 'has strengthened Israel's defense in concrete and unprecedented ways,' has been a strong ally for the Jewish state on the international stage, has 'supported Israel in its quest for peace with its neighbors,' has ensures a 'strong and robust' commercial relationship between the two countries has approved the investment of millions of dollars in helping Israeli immigrants.
The article ends with a call on readers to 'Share this information with everyone who needs to know.'

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/1.644886?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter


FACT CHECK: Pres. Obama INCREASED Military Aid to Israel
www.njdc.org/.../obamamilaid02171...National (http://www.njdc.org/.../obamamilaid02171...National) Jewish Democratic Council
Feb 17, 2012 - FACT CHECK: President Barack Obama has increased foreign military assistance to Israel in his FY2013 budget request. ...

Obama Requests Largest Amount of Military Aid to Israel Ever
www.njdc.org/blog/israelaid021412National (http://www.njdc.org/blog/israelaid021412National) Jewish Democratic Council
Feb 14, 2012 - Underscoring his commitment to the U.S.-Israel relationship, President Barack Obama requested a record $3.1 billion in military assistance to ...

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[Mach]

Things more likely to happen than Obama shooting down an Israeli jet.

Me making the national team of any country and winning the world cup with my last minute go ahead goal.
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Depressingly true.

I think they would allow Israel to do pretty much what they wanted in another country rather than shoot down one of their our jets.

Or just say that hell would hath frozen over and the monkeys that crawled out of my butt went iceskating.

[tangent4ronpaul]

"Israel mistakenly attacked the American Liberty ship during the Six-Day War in 1967"

:rolleyes:

-t

[pcosmar]

Was this about the time that Iran saw, and took control of,, and successfully landed one of our "Stealth" Drones?

Israel does not have to worry about the US.. None of their planes will get anywhere near a target.

[paleocon1]

If true this is something I would give the Regime credit for doing.

I have a strong suspicion though that what we are seeing is pure pro-wrestling manipulation of public opinion for some purpose not in view.

[AuH20]

"Israel mistakenly attacked the American Liberty ship during the Six-Day War in 1967"

:rolleyes:

-t

It was a spyship, the Liberty.

[AuH20]

Sounds like propaganda to solidify support for a Republican president. You must understand that the Israelis cannot launch any type of preemptive attack on Iran due to the robust military capabilities (chemical warheads specifically) and close proximity of the Assad Regime. They are handcuffed until Syria is removed from the equation.

[paleocon1]

"Israel mistakenly attacked the American Liberty ship during the Six-Day War in 1967"

:rolleyes:

-t

Israel DELIBERATELY attacked the USS Liberty in international waters.

An Act of War against the USA which should have been punished by B52's pummeling Tel Aviv to ruins.

[enhanced_deficit]

Sounds like propaganda to solidify support for a Republican president.

It is propaganda to fracture Dems.
If this ever happened, shooting order would come from a Reoublican President and not from a prez from "party of Israel" aka Dems.

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You must understand that the Israelis cannot launch any type of preemptive attack on Iran due to the robust military capabilities (chemical warheads specifically) and close proximity of the Assad Regime. They are handcuffed until Syria is removed from the equation.

True. And Israel-ISIS-AlQaeda semitic alliance was reportedly working to handle Syria but Obama/moderate-zionists might be messing it up lately.

Israel ‘Concerned’ over US War On ISIS (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?459855-Cat-out-of-bag-Israel-%E2%80%98Concerned%E2%80%99-over-US-War-On-ISIS&)